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== Pattern request == | |||
Here is the RLE file for [[Glider explosion]], a 10-cell Methuselah: | |||
<nowiki>#N Glider explosion | |||
#C A Methuselah whose lifespan is 132 and explodes (increases and decreases quickly). | |||
#C Its stable pattern is composed of four beehives and two loafs. | |||
#r 23/3 | |||
#R -2 -2 | |||
x = 6, y = 5 | |||
obo3b$b2o3b$bo2bob$3b2ob$3bobo!</nowiki> | |||
And, of course, because it is made of gliders, its synthesis RLE is the same as above. |
Revision as of 12:58, 20 November 2014
Math formulae
So, it was my impression that something like
- <math>\sqrt{1-e^2}</math>
should look like a math formula and those tags should do stuff. But that appears to not be the case. How come? Elithrion 03:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Stuff like that works on Wikipedia because of an extension they manually coded in. I'll see if I can find a way to install it, but it doesn't come with MediaWiki by default. Nathaniel 03:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- Upon looking into this deeper, it doesn't look like it's going to be possible on the current server setup, since we're on a shared Windows host. If the wiki becomes more popular then it may become worth it to move to a Linux and/or dedicated host, but until then this won't happen. Nathaniel 19:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting mistakes I made when editing the spaceship page (I'm a bit new to this whole wiki business). I was wondering If there were a page on conventions and standards used in this wiki.
Sokwe 17:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
You may want to be alerted to the spam added to talk:Main Page by 211.240.14.91
Sokwe 23:17, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
- Yep, it happens frequently enough, sadly. Thanks for deleting it -- I've banned that IP address. Nathaniel 23:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Error in wickstretcher template
The wickstretcher template puts anything you write inside the infobox. This is because the table in the template has no concluding "|}". Please add a line containing "|}" directly above the <noinclude> tag.
~Sokwe 00:33, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Whoops. Thanks for letting me know, it's fixed now. Nathaniel 03:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Problems with forms
I somehow seem to have caused some problems with forms such as the oscillator search form. I was testing their functionality for other purposes, and somehow caused an error: %DPL-1.7.4-WARNING: Wrong '$0' parameter: 'uses'! Using default: 'Template:{#request:cat}'. Help: $0=
Note: "Template{#request:cat}" was part of the stuff I was doing. I never saved any pages, I was just viewing previews for testing.
Sorry about the mess!
~Sokwe 21:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- I'm hoping it's a caching issue... DynamicPageList loves giving cryptic error messages as a result of an invalid search that was performed hours earlier, so hopefully it clears up by itself soon. In the meantime, I'll look for a way to disable the caching so that this stuff doesn't happen. Nathaniel 21:46, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Parameter search
I created a simple template to be used to look up which pattern pages are missing specific parameters in their templates (there may be some bugs, I haven't tested it much). This can be used to look up such things as which patterns do not have defined glider syntheses or bounding boxes. I was wondering if this template should be included on another page as a resource for other contributers if they feel they have the time to add information like this (for example, I recently added bounding box sizes to all of the still life pages).
~Sokwe 17:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- That's pretty excellent, thanks. I think that the most natural place for it is probably LifeWiki:Helping out in a new subsection. Nathaniel 17:51, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- I added it under Adding pattern information, but it requires Template:( to work; this template should probably be protected. I also created a new page for it: Template:PatternInfoSearch
~Sokwe 18:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- I added it under Adding pattern information, but it requires Template:( to work; this template should probably be protected. I also created a new page for it: Template:PatternInfoSearch
Error in GrowingSpaceship template
It's the exact same problem that the wickstretcher template had: Template:GrowingSpaceship puts information from the page inside the infobox. Please add the necessary "|}" above the <noinclude> tag.
~Sokwe 20:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, fixed now. It's a result of the new glider synthesis boxes -- I made the necessary change on most of the other templates (such as Template:Oscillator), but I apparently missed Wickstretcher and GrowingSpaceship. Fixed now. Nathaniel 20:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Some suggested updates
I've created a template for reflectors because they currently all use the pattern template. Eaters also use the pattern template even though they are exclusively still lifes. I suggest adding support for type=eater to the still life template. I also suggest that you delete Template:People as it has been effectively replaced by Template:Person.
~Sokwe 13:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
- Those changes have now been made. Nathaniel 14:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Some more ideas for updates
First of all, I suggest that you replace the number of glider syntheses on the main page (currently "over 200") with the following:
{{#dpl:categorymatch=Patterns_that_can_be_constructed_with%|resultsheader=%TOTALPAGES%|format={{#if,:,,:|}}}}
Also, I have the basic design for a navigation box for oscillator periods. This would go on oscillator period category pages and would link to the nearest oscillator period categories (it does not link to pages that do not exist). What I haven't come up with is a good format for displaying this information, and I was wondering what you thought about it.
The basic idea:
p=2
Period 40894Expression error: Unexpected < operator.Expression error: Unexpected < operator.
p=18
Period 40894 - Period 40894 - Period 40894Expression error: Unexpected < operator.Expression error: Unexpected < operator.
p=144
Period 40894 - Period 40894 - Period 40894Expression error: Unexpected < operator.Expression error: Unexpected < operator.
~Sokwe 20:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
- Very nice, made the glider synthesis change and inserted your template into the appropriate oscillator category pages. Thanks, and great work! Nathaniel 12:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
?
Why did you undo my edit?--71.80.49.38 14:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
The new agar
I found the agar in Serviettes (B234/S) rule!
please visit my user page.--David 13:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
- And, would you change this agar to oscillator or spacefiller? --David 06:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Upload request
Please upload the file Diuresis.rle from http://www.conwaylife.com to the extant Diuresis pattern page. You were devising a method to let people upload .rles, weren't you ?
Thanks a lot. --Methodood 21:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
- It is possible to add patterns to the online database via the save/online database feature in Nathaniel's Game of Life player. This will save the pattern to the online database in RLE format, however, it can be overwritten. The pattern can be added to the official database (including other formats) by any of the conwaylife.com moderators. Patterns in the official database can not be overwritten via the the Game of Life player, so if you find that a pattern in the official database needs to be replaced, you should contact one of us. (Note: I have also uploaded the requested pattern files)
~Sokwe 22:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Suggestions
I have a few suggestions:
- Make a simplified version that can be embedded into pages (this would require a MediaWiki extension) so that users can view pattern evolution without having to go to a separate page.
- Add a "clear" button to make erasing patterns easier. Also allow editing after pressing the back button, which would become especially important in case users accidentally press the aforementioned button.
I think that these would both be helpful additions.
Also, why are you unable to add MediaWiki extensions on a shared Windows host? Can't you just copy the PHP files into the proper directory? Or do you not have access to the MediaWiki directories? The last username left 02:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hi there, and welcome to the wiki. What do you mean about a "simplified version"? Do you mean a simplified version of the applet to be embedded in wiki pages? That would indeed be quite cool, though I'm not sure I have the time at the moment for that undertaking. I'll add it to the to-do list though. As for the clear button -- there should already be a clear button at the lower-right corner of the applet. Does it not appear for you?
- As for editing after pressing the back button -- I'm not sure this will happen. It would require re-writing a *lot* of the applet, and I'm not sure how to even go about doing it while maintaining the functionality of the applet.
- I am quite capable of adding MediaWiki extensions to the wiki (and in fact there are a handful of them running on this wiki right now, mostly to do things like fight spam). What I wrote above about being on a Windows host is only a problem for the specific extension that enables the <math> tag. Nathaniel 06:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oops, sorry about that. I had originally said "a few suggestions about the applet", but reworded it. I forgot to mention it in the suggestion. Yes, I meant a simplified version of the applet.
- No, the clear button does not appear for me - at least not on the computer I was using at the time (Vista with IE8). Over on a Windows 7 machine, it appears just fine. I think it was because of the font size settings on that computer. The menu is still not working properly, though; see the screenshot. The last username left 23:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
I want to...
Please active my account in conwaylife.com forums.--David 08:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
- I assume that your forums account has the username "David"? If so, then this is done now. Nathaniel 14:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Sawtooth 262
You'll need to update the sawtooth snippet for sawtooth 260 because it's protected (due to currently being included on the main page).
- Edit: Never mind, it is no longer the featured article, so I did it myself.
~Sokwe 09:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
Citation extension not working
The reference tags (<ref>) don't seem to be working.
~Sokwe 01:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks Sokwe. My server folks moved the site to a new machine that doesn't like the citations extension (or one of the spam-fighting extensions, hence the increase in spam over the last few days). Hopefully I'll be able to figure it out soon. Nathaniel 15:23, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
- OK, looks like the citations extension is (finally) functional again. Nathaniel 13:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Refs are not doing their job properly
(And I don't mean football referees! :)
The <ref> </ref> tags are no longer being recognised by the software on LifeWiki, thus making a complete mess of every page. An example is the page entitled Switch engine.
-- Calcyman 19:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks Calcyman -- see one section up on my talk page for an explanation. Should hopefully have it figured out soon. Nathaniel 23:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Lake discussion page
To circumvent the continual spam, I have attempted to protect this page from editing by using the 'protected' template. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be working. Calcyman 10:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
- Placing {{Protected}} on a page doesn't protect the page. A sysop/administrator/bureaucrat/etc needs to use the protect feature which does not appear for normal users who cannot use this feature. Keiji 15:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, I know that, but it might trick the spam-bots. They might be programmed to ignore pages with the 'protected' template, since pages on Wikipedia with this template are protected, so there is no point attempting to edit them.
- I've gone ahead and actually protected the page from unregistered users. Nathaniel 20:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Merging and deleting users
Since you are the only one capable of using the merge and delete user extension, you will need to delete/merge any of the spam accounts that I block.
~Sokwe 01:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Spam issues
Much of the spam that we currently get is from new accounts. Would it be possible to prevent accounts that are less than a couple of days old from posting external links or uploading files? (or does that seem too restrictive to new, legitimate users?)
~Sokwe 17:07, 29 May 2011 (CDT)
- I'll look at another spam-fighting extension or two tomorrow to see what can be done before doing that. I'd like people to be able to sign up and start editing right away... maybe e-mail address verification should be required? Nathaniel 21:25, 29 May 2011 (CDT)
- Looks like a change I made yesterday afternoon is working for now at least. If (when?) the current system starts to fail, I will implement reCAPTCHA for suspicious edits and see how that works. Nathaniel 10:46, 31 May 2011 (CDT)
Animated Gif
How do I get the animated gif working at Karel's p15? --Scot Ellison 14:06, 21 July 2011 (CDT)
- There was a memory problem with MediaWiki that made it not want to play nice with newly-uploaded animated GIFs. Fixed now! Nathaniel 00:20, 22 July 2011 (CDT)
- Thanks! :) S.E.
Wrong page title
I somehow got the wrong title on the P11_signal_injector page. I intended it to be P11 double-length signal injector, but I can't seem to change it now. Is there way for me to fix this without creating a new page and setting a redirect?--Scot Ellison 10:58, 3 August 2011 (CDT)
- I've moved the page for you. Only administrators (i.e., me and Sokwe) can move pages, so just ask and it'll be done! Nathaniel 00:24, 5 August 2011 (CDT)
External links bug
Hi,
I seem to be getting loads of "Your edit includes new external links" prompts, even when I'm not. (Such as this very query.) I think this is triggered whenever I try to edit a page that contains external links - including those to pattern files - for the first time?
ETA: Nope, not quite. Just got the same with the Task List which I have edited before. Pages not edited before this bug turn'd up, then?
Besides… Doesn't MediaWiki allow limiting these kind of checks to some editors? Eg. accounts with less than X edits, or younger than Y days?--Tropylium 07:53, 8 September 2011 (CDT)
- Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it. Unfortunately the MediaWiki spam fighting tools leave a bit to be desired -- they're actually implemented via extensions (i.e., they aren't built into MediaWiki itself at all). The extension I'm using has fairly limited categories for who is subject to spam verification and who isn't -- basically it boils down to the question of "are you an admin or not?" But still, it shouldn't be asking you to verify if the links aren't new... will get back to you. Nathaniel 09:45, 8 September 2011 (CDT)
- I've created a "trusted" user group that is exempt from the SPAM filter, and placed you and a few other people into it. You shouldn't get those anti-SPAM messages at all anymore (let me know if you experience otherwise). Nathaniel 09:58, 8 September 2011 (CDT)
Day & Night Link Broken
This link is broken: Day & Night
Can you move it to somewhere else so that we can access it?
Zhuyifei1999 09:13, 20 February 2013 (CST)
- Fixed. I made a redirect that works. But I'm waiting for you to update the system so that it can support "&" marks.
- Zhuyifei1999 13:41, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Zhuyifei1999. Unfortunately, this is a result of the wiki using short URLs, and it seems that the only fix is to install a patch to apache that alters how it deals with ampersands. I don't have access to install patches on the server myself (it's a shared host), so the best that I can do it contact my host about it and hope they're willing to install it for me. Given this, I would recommend either continuing to use the work-around you have right now, or re-naming the page to something like Day and Night.
- Nathaniel 12:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Wikipedia uses short URLs too, but it works. So I think the bug is not caused by short URLs, instead, I think it is caused by version problems.
- Zhuyifei1999 22:53, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Move request
File:Live_Free_or_Die_Spaceship.png to File:Moon.png
Zhuyifei1999 03:54, 26 February 2013 (CST)
- Moved. Nathaniel 12:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Upload pattern request
Moon:
x = 2, y = 4, rule = B2/S
o$bo$bo$o!
.......O.................O.......
......OOO...............OOO......
.....OO....OOO.....OOO....OO.....
...OO.O..OOO..O...O..OOO..O.OO...
....O.O..O.O...O.O...O.O..O.O....
.OO.O.O.O.O....O.O....O.O.O.O.OO.
.OO...O.O....O.....O....O.O...OO.
.OOO.O...O....O.O.O....O...O.OOO.
OO.........OO.O.O.O.OO.........OO
............O.......O............
.........OO.O.......O.OO.........
..........O...........O..........
.......OO.O...........O.OO.......
.......OO...............OO.......
.......O.O.O.OOO.OOO.O.O.O.......
......OO...O...O.O...O...OO......
......O..O...O.O.O.O...O..O......
.........OO....O.O....OO.........
.....OO....O...O.O...O....OO.....
.........O.OO.O...O.OO.O.........
..........O.O.O.O.O.O.O..........
............O..O.O..O............
...........O.O.....O.O...........
#C Jagged lines
#C Jagged lines of gliders, formed by a drifting collision of two LWSS
#C streams, crash to form an approximately vertical jagged line of pairs
#C of blocks. I don't know if the line stays within a bounded distance
#C of the center line, or extends infinitely far to the left, or to the
#C right, or both.
#C Dean Hickerson, 5/3/2005
x = 125, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
42bo13bo11bo13bo$41b3o11b3o9b3o11b3o$40b2obo5bo4b2obo9bob2o4bo5bob2o$
40b3o5b3o3b3o11b3o3b3o5b3o$41b2o4bo2b2o3b2o11b2o3b2o2bo4b2o$47bo3bo21b
o3bo$48b2obo21bob2o$50b2o21b2o2$55b3o9b3o$33b3o5b3o11bo2bo7bo2bo11b3o
5b3o$32b5o3bo2bo11bo13bo11bo2bo3b5o$31b2ob3o6bo11bo13bo11bo6b3ob2o$4o
5b2o21b2o9bo12bo11bo12bo9b2o21b2o5b4o$o3bo3b2ob2o30bo6bo23bo6bo30b2ob
2o3bo3bo$o8b4o29bo5b2obo21bob2o5bo29b4o8bo$bo8b2o36bo2bo21bo2bo36b2o8b
o2$13bo30b2o5bo21bo37bo$3b2o8b2o12bo17bo4bobo19bobo22bo12b2o8b2o$2bo2b
o9bo12b2o19bo25bo19b2o12bo9bo2bo$2bo2bo4b5o12b2o67b2o12b5o4bo2bo$2b2ob
2o3b4o97b4o3b2ob2o$4b2o4bo103bo4b2o3$11b3o97b3o$4o6b5o95b5o6b4o$o3bo4b
2ob3o95b3ob2o4bo3bo$o9b2o25b2o47b2o25b2o9bo$bo34b4o45b4o34bo$19b2o14b
2ob2o45b2ob2o14b2o$18b4o14b2o19b3o5b3o19b2o14b4o$17b2ob2o34bo2bo5bo2bo
34b2ob2o$18b2o39bo5bo39b2o$59bo5bo$59bo5bo$23bo34bo7bo34bo$21b4o75b4o$
20bob5o71b5obo$19b2o6bo27b2o11b2o27bo6b2o$20b3obo3bo25b2ob3o5b3ob2o25b
o3bob3o$21b3o3bo27b5o5b5o27bo3b3o$26bo29b3o7b3o29bo2$19b2o20b3o37b3o
20b2o$18b4o4b4o11bo41bo11b4o4b4o$17b2ob2o4bo3bo11bo39bo11bo3bo4b2ob2o$
2b4o5b2o5b2o6bo71bo6b2o5b2o5b4o$2bo3bo3b2ob2o12bo69bo12b2ob2o3bo3bo$2b
o8b4o21b3o47b3o21b4o8bo$3bo8b2o22bo51bo22b2o8bo$37bo49bo2$5bo6bo99bo6b
o$4bo7b2o17b3o57b3o17b2o7bo$4bo6b2o18bo61bo18b2o6bo$4b2o4b2o20bo59bo
20b2o4b2o$6bo111bo$8b2o105b2o$26b3o67b3o$26bo71bo$2b4o21bo69bo21b4o$2b
o3bo13bo83bo13bo3bo$2bo16bo85bo16bo$3bo15bo3bo77bo3bo15bo$19b4o79b4o!
x = 2, y = 2, rule = B2/S
bo$o!
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
boobboboo$obbobboo$bobo$bbo$8bo$6b3o$5bo$6bo$7boo!
loafer glider synthesis:
x = 40, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
38bo$37bo$37b3o2$8bobo$obo6b2o$b2o6bo$bo3$4bobo$5b2o$5bo20bo$24bobo$
25b2o2$33bo$33bobo$33b2o6$38bo$37b2o$37bobo8$5b3o$7bo$6bo!
edgerepairspaceshipsandobjects.rle:
x = 113, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
107bo3bo$107b2ob2o$108bobo$29bo76bobobobo$16bo11b2o8bo19bo8b2o8bo19bo
8b2o3b2o$o14b4o9bo8b4o15b4o7b2o7b4o15b4o8bo3bo$obo7bo3bo3b2ob2o9bo3bo
3b2ob2o7b2ob2o3bo3bo6bo3bo3b2ob2o7b2ob2o3bo3bo$3o6b4o5bo2b2o8b4o5bo2b
2o7b2o2bo5b4o4b4o5bo2b2o7b2o2bo5b4o$2bo5bo3bo7bo2bo6bo3bo7bo2bo5bo2bo
7bo3bo2bo3bo7bo2bo5bo2bo7bo3bo$9bobo2bo16bobo2bo23bo2bobo4bobo2bo23bo
2bobo$13bo21bo25bo12bo25bo!
x = 159, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
13b3o11b3o99b3o11b3o$12bo3bo9bo3bo97bo3bo9bo3bo$11b2o4bo7bo4b2o95b2o4b
o7bo4b2o$10bobob2ob2o5b2ob2obobo93bobob2ob2o5b2ob2obobo$9b2obo4bob2ob
2obo4bob2o35b3o15b3o35b2obo4bob2ob2obo4bob2o$8bo4bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo4bo4b
o28bo3bo13bo3bo28bo4bo4bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo4bo$20bobo15b3ob2o23b2o4bo11bo
4b2o23b2ob3o15bobo$8b2o7b2obobob2o7b2o2b2o3bob2o20bobob2ob2o3b3o3b2ob
2obobo20b2obo3b2o2b2o7b2obobob2o7b2o$20bobo13b2o2bo4b5o15b2obo4bob2ob
3ob2obo4bob2o15b5o4bo2b2o13bobo$14b3o9b3o5bo2bo5bobobob2ob2o5bo4bo4bo
3bo4bobo4bo3bo4bo4bo5b2ob2obobobo5bo2bo5b3o9b3o$14bo3bo9bo6bo8bo3bo3bo
b2o2b3o15bo5bo15b3o2b2obo3bo3bo8bo6bo9bo3bo$14bobo4b3o26bo4b3ob3o2b2o
7b2o9b2o7b2o2b3ob3o4bo26b3o4bobo$20bo2bo4b2o19bo3bobo5b2o33b2o5bobo3bo
19b2o4bo2bo$23bo30bo6bo2bo29bo2bo6bo30bo$19bo3bo39bo31bo39bo3bo$19bo3b
o111bo3bo$14bo8bo111bo8bo$14bobo3bobo113bobo3bobo$14b2o127b2o4$12bo23b
3o11b3o53b3o11b3o23bo$12bobo20bo3bo9bo3bo51bo3bo9bo3bo20bobo$12b2o20b
2o4bo7bo4b2o49b2o4bo7bo4b2o20b2o$33bobob2ob2o5b2ob2obobo47bobob2ob2o5b
2ob2obobo$32b2obo4bob2ob2obo4bob2o45b2obo4bob2ob2obo4bob2o$31bo4bo3bo
2bobo2bo3bo4bo43bo4bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo4bo$10bo32bobo67bobo32bo$10bobo18b
2o7b2obobob2o7b2o43b2o7b2obobob2o7b2o18bobo$10b2o31bobo67bobo31b2o$37b
3o9b3o55b3o9b3o$37bo3bo9bo55bo9bo3bo$37bobo4b3o65b3o4bobo$8bo34bo2bo4b
2o53b2o4bo2bo34bo$8bobo35bo65bo35bobo$8b2o32bo3bo65bo3bo32b2o$42bo3bo
65bo3bo$37bo8bo65bo8bo$37bobo3bobo67bobo3bobo$6bo30b2o81b2o30bo$6bobo
141bobo$6b2o143b2o2$35bo87bo$35bobo83bobo$4bo30b2o85b2o30bo$4bobo145bo
bo$4b2o147b2o2$33bo91bo$33bobo87bobo$2bo30b2o89b2o30bo$2bobo149bobo$2b
2o151b2o2$31bo95bo$31bobo91bobo$o30b2o93b2o30bo$obo153bobo$2o155b2o2$
29bo99bo$29bobo95bobo$29b2o97b2o$3o153b3o$obo153bobo$3o153b3o$27bo103b
o$6b2o19bobo99bobo19b2o$8bo18b2o101b2o18bo$6b3o141b3o$5bob2o141b2obo$
4bobo145bobo$4bobo18bo107bo18bobo$25bobo103bobo$9b2o14b2o105b2o14b2o$
8bo2bo135bo2bo$9b2o137b2o2$23bo111bo$12b2o9bobo107bobo9b2o$11bo2bo8b2o
109b2o8bo2bo$12b2o131b2o3$21bo115bo$21bobo111bobo$17b2o2b2o113b2o2b2o$
17b2o121b2o!
Zhuyifei1999 04:24, 26 February 2013 (CST)
- Sorry for the delay -- I'll get to these shortly. Will let you know once they're online. Nathaniel 12:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Snark reflector
Hello,
Here's the missing RLE data for the Snark reflector:
x = 23, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$18bo$20bo$2o14b5o$bo13bo$bobo12b3o$2b2o15bo$16b4o$11b2o3bo3b2o$
11b2o4b3o2bo$19bob2o$3b2o14bo$2bobo13b2o$4bo2$10b2o$10bo$11b3o$13bo!
MikeP 16:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- Actually, for a reflector it would make sense to set as default a version with a smaller bounding box rather than the original version. Of course, the original version is also worth mentioning.
x = 23, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
18bo$2o14b5o$bo13bo5bo$bobo12b3o2bo$2b2o15bob2o$16b4o2bo$11b2o3bo3b2o$
11b2o4b3o$19bo$19bob2o$18b2ob2o$b2o$obo$2bo7b2o$10bo$11b3o$13bo!
- Codeholic 19:42, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Here is glider synthesis of the Snark. Please add it to the article.
#N Snark_synth #O Ivan Fomichev #C Continuous synthesis of the snark, with improvements by Mark Niemiec. #C http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Snark x = 216, y = 212, rule = B3/S23 194bo8bo$194bobo4b2o12bo$194b2o6b2o9b2o$214b2o11$191bo$189b2o$190b2o2$ 13bobo$14b2o$14bo2$178bo$177bo$2bo174b3o$obo$b2o7$4bobo8bo149bo$5b2o9b 2o145b2o$5bo9b2o147b2o4$158bo$157bo$157b3o5$29bo$30b2o118bobo$29b2o 119b2o$151bo$35bo125bo5bo$33bobo120bo3bo5bo$34b2o118b2o4b3o3b3o$155b2o 2$37bo$35bobo$36b2o9$151bo$150bo$150b3o12$140bobo$140b2o$141bo14$126bo $124b2o$125b2o4$93bo$94b2o$93b2o2$106bo$105bo$105b3o$117bobo$86bobo28b 2o$87b2o29bo$87bo7$91b3o$93bo$92bo$110b2o$109b2o$111bo7$118b2o9b2o$86b 2o30bobo8bobo$85bobo30bo10bo$87bo2$118b2o$117b2o$119bo$125b2o$83b2o39b 2o$82bobo41bo$84bo5$144bo$143b2o$143bobo4$151b3o$151bo$152bo3$148b2o$ 147b2o$149bo6$164bo$163b2o$163bobo$147bo$146b2o$146bobo$27bo$27b2o$26b obo6$19bo9b3o$19b2o10bo$18bobo9bo125b2o$156bobo$23b2o131bo$22bobo$24bo 7$22b2o$23b2o$22bo174bo$196b2o$196bobo5$206b2o$206bobo$206bo3$181b3o$ 181bo$4b2o176bo$3bobo$5bo!
Codeholic 19:47, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Fore and back synthesis
Please add this to the article.
#N Fore and back_synth #O Mark D. Niemiec #C Glider synthesis of Fore and back. #C http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Fore_and_back x = 103, y = 37, rule=B3/S23 71bo$71bobo$71boo$66bo$59bo4bobo$60bo4boo$58b3o$71bo$69boo$70boo$$5bo 26bo29bo$4bo26bobo27bobo$boob3o23bobbo21bo4bobbo$obo28boo20bobo5boo$bb o51boo11bo3bobo6bo15booboo$66bo4boo5boo16boobobo$66b3o3bo6boo18bobbo$ 96boo3boo$58boo6bo3b3o23bobbo$59boo5boo4bo24boboboo$16bo41bo6bobo3bo 11boo13booboo$16bobo27boo28boo5bobo$12b3oboo27bobbo26bobbo4bo$14bo30bo bo27bobo$13bo32bo29bo$$67boo$68boo$67bo$78b3o$72boo4bo$72bobo4bo$72bo$ 66boo$65bobo$67bo!
Codeholic 19:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Codeholic. I've (finally) added these last two glider syntheses. Nathaniel 15:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
60P312?!
i have NO IDEA how to make a new section so i'll put it here. Nathaniel, whydid you delete 60P312? i was looking forward to building it as it only has 60 cells.
- Unfortunately, as the page was deleted almost 3 years ago (May 2011), I don't remember anymore why it was deleted (and the wiki doesn't seem to have a copy of the old page anymore, so I can't see what was on it). However, it looks like it may have been accidentally deleted when I deleted a bunch of spam pages -- if that's the case, I apologize. Nathaniel 17:28, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Spam pages to delete
BTW, there's a bunch (~35, and I'm going to add more now) of spam pages in Category:Speedy_deletion waiting to be deleted. JWatCCI 16:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
- And this user has reverted the removal of their spam, and should be blocked. JWatCCI 17:03, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Toplevel category
I'd like to make Category:Everything else (and the other protected categories) into subcategories of new category I just created Category:Toplevel category, for simplicity of categorization (so there is only one un-categorized category), but I can't do so because they are protected. Assuming you agree, please do so (or remove the protection and I'll do it). Thanks! JWatCCI 18:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Add Category:Disambiguation pages to Template:Disambig
In order to automatically categorize disambiguation pages, please consider adding (the newly created, by me) Category:Disambiguation pages to Template:Disambig. JWatCCI 20:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
P26 glider shuttle
Hello, Nathaniel, please add the following pattern file to p26 glider shuttle. Codeholic 22:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
#N P26 glider shuttle #O Matthias Merzenich #C The smallest known period 26 oscillator in terms of population #C as of August 2014, discovered in April 2013. #C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/P26_glider_shuttle x = 53, y = 53, rule = B3/S23 19b2o$19bobo$22bo2b2o$20b2obo2bo$19bobob2o$20bo4$22b2o$21bo2bo$21bobo$ 21bobo$16b2o4bo$15bobo18bo$15bo20b3o$14b2o23bo$38b2o$19bobo$19b2o12b2o 13bo2b2o$20bo11b2o13bobo2bo$34bo5b3o5b2obo$39bo3bo6bo$40b2obo4b2o$42bo 5bo$50bo$2b2o45b2o$2bo$4bo5bo$3b2o4bob2o$2bo6bo3bo$bob2o5b3o5bo$o2bobo 13b2o11bo$2o2bo13b2o12b2o$31bobo$13b2o$13bo23b2o$14b3o20bo$16bo18bobo$ 30bo4b2o$29bobo$29bobo$28bo2bo$29b2o4$32bo$28b2obobo$26bo2bob2o$26b2o 2bo$31bobo$32b2o!
Honey thieves
Hello, Nathaniel, please add the following pattern file to honey thieves. Codeholic 20:48, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
#N 36P17.1 #O Matthias Merzenich #C The smallest known period 17 oscillator in terms of population #C as of September 2014. #C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/36P17.1 x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23 2o$bo$bobo9b2o$2bobo8bo$11bobo$11b2o$5b2o$5b2ob2o$8b2o$2b2o$bobo$bo8bo bo$2o9bobo$13bo$13b2o!
Here is also a glider synthesis of this oscillator, found by Mark Niemiec
#C 17-glider synthesis of Matthias Merzenich's P17 Honey Thieves #C 23-glider synthesis of pseudo-period 34 Honey Thieves #C w/test-tube baby (line 1 shown; lines 2-3 same as Honey Thieves) x = 135, y = 84, rule = B3/S23 40boo38boo38boo$41bo39bo39bo$oo39bobo37bobo37bobo$boo39boo38boo38boo$o 3boo$4bobo$4bo79bo$84bobo$80bo3boo$81boo39boo$80boo39bobo$121bo$120boo 16$84bobo$85boo$oo38boo38boo3bo10bo23boo$bo39bo39bo7bo5bo25bo$bobo37bo bo37bobo5bobo3b3o23bobo9boo$bboo6bo31boo38boo5boo31boo9bo$9bo121bobo$ 9b3o34bo39bo4boo33bo4boo$45bobo37bobo3bobo31bobo$6b3o36bobo37bobo3bo 33bobo$6bo39bo39bo39bo$bboo3bo34boo38boo38boo$bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo$b o39bo39bo39bo$oo38boo38boo38boo18$oo38boo38boo21bo16boo$bo39bo39bo19b oo18bo$bobo9boo26bobo9boo26bobo9boo7boo17bobo9boo$bboo9bo28boo9bo28boo 9bo28bobo8bo$11bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo$6bo4boo33bo4boo33bo4boo38boo$5bo bo37bobo37bobo37boo$5bobo37bobo37bobo37booboo$6bo39bo39bo41boo$bboo38b oo38boo38boo$bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo$bo39bo39bo39bo8bobo$oo38boo20boo 16boo20boo16boo9bobo$22bobo36bobbo36bobbo28bo$22boo37bobbo36bobbo28boo $23bo38boo38boo$$23boo$23bobo55boo$23bo58boo14boo10b3o$81bo15boo11bo$ 85b3o11bo11bo$87bo$86bo!
Period-59 glider gun
Hi, Nathaniel, please add the following pattern for the period-59 glider gun article. Codeholic (talk)
#N Snark-assisted period-59 glider gun #O Dave Greene #C A true-period 59 glider gun, discovered in August 2013. #C http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Period-59_glider_gun x = 405, y = 355, rule = B3/S23 255b2o3b2o$255b2o2bob3o$259bo4bo$255b4ob2o2bo$255bo2bobobob2o$258bobob obo$259b2obobo$263bo2$249b2o$250bo7b2o$250bobo5b2o$251b2o2$258bo$258b 2o$257bobo3$261b2o$261bo10bo$262b3o8bo$264bo6b3o7$243b2o$242bobo$244bo 2$252b2o3b2o$250b3obo2b2o$249bo4bo31bo$249bo2b2ob4o28b2o13bo$248b2obob obo2bo27b2o12b3o$249bobobobo43bo$249bobob2o45bo$250bo45bo3bo2$263b2o 29bo4bo7b2ob2o$254b2o7bo30bo2b3o8bob2o$228b2o24b2o5bobo36b2o6bo$229b2o 30b2o32b2o3bo2bo2b3o$228bo66bo2bo2bob3o3b2o$295bo2bobo2b6o2bo$291b2o3b 3ob2o6bob2o$290bobo3b4o5b3o2bo$245bo44bo6bobo4bo5bo$243b2o12b3o29b2o5b 3o6b5o$244b2o5b2o4bo39b2o8bo$252bo5bo$249b3o19bo$249bo2b3o14b5o$250bo 3bo13bo5bo$247b3o4bobo12b3o2bo$247bo7b2o15bob2o$213b3o53b4o2bo$215bo 48b2o3bo3b2o$214bo49b2o4b3o$272bo$272bob2o$255bo15b2ob2o7bobo$229bo25b 2o26b2o$229bobo22bobo27bo$229b2o32b2o$263bo$264b3o$266bo3$199bo$199b2o 58bo$198bobo58b3o$262bo$261b2o$269bo$240b2o26bo$214bobo22bobo11b2o13b 3o$214b2o25bo11bo$215bo34b2obo$121bo128bo2b3o4b2o$121b3o127b2o3bo3b2o$ 124bo128b4o$75b2o3b2o21b2o3b2o13b2o128bo15b2o$75b2o2bob3o19b2o2bob3o 142b3o12bobo$79bo4bo22bo4bo13b2o56b2o71bo13bo6bo$75b4ob2o2bo18b4ob2o2b o13bobo54bobo66b5o14b2o3b3o$75bo2bobobob2o17bo2bobobob2o12bo58bo65bo 23bo$78bobobobo21bobobobo137bo2b2o20b2o$79b2obobo22b2obobo136bob2obo 12bo$83bo27bo131b2o4bo18b2o$200bo24b2o14bo2bo2b2ob4o13b2o14b2ob2o$69b 2o8bo17b2o100bo26b2o13b2obobobobo2bo30bob2o$70bo7b3o17bo8bo91b3o23bo 18bobobobo33bo$70bobo4b5o16bobo5b3o135bobob2o26b2o4b3o$71b2o3bo5bo16b 2o4b5o135bo30b2o3bo3b2o$75b2o2bo2b2o20b2o3b2o170b4o2bo$74b3obobob3o18b 3o3b3o146b2o7b2o15bob2o$75b2o2bo2b2o14bo5b2o3b2o138b2o7bo7bobo12b3o2bo $76bo19b3o6b5o139b2o5bobo7bo13bo5bo$77bo17bo10b3o32b2o26b2o85b2o7b2o 14b5o$96bo10b3o30b2o28b2o111bo$81b2o9bo3bo12b2o31bo26bo58bo13bo$81bo9b 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25-cell quadratic growth
Hello, Nathaniel,
please upload the following RLE to the wiki. Codeholic (talk) 14:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
#N 25-cell quadratic growth #O Michael Simkin #C The smallest known pattern, that exhibits quadratic population growth, #C as of October 2014. #C www.conwaylife.com/wiki/25-cell_quadratic_growth x = 21372, y = 172, rule = B3/S23 21368bo$21368bo$21369b2o$21371bo$21371bo$21324bo46bo$21325bo45bo$ 21326bo$21325bo$21324bo$21326b3o151$70b2o$71bo$8b2o$9bo5$o$o$o!
Pattern request
Here is the RLE file for Glider explosion, a 10-cell Methuselah:
#N Glider explosion #C A Methuselah whose lifespan is 132 and explodes (increases and decreases quickly). #C Its stable pattern is composed of four beehives and two loafs. #r 23/3 #R -2 -2 x = 6, y = 5 obo3b$b2o3b$bo2bob$3b2ob$3bobo!
And, of course, because it is made of gliders, its synthesis RLE is the same as above.