# Talk:Seahorse

## Twin bees shuttle

While the policy at LifeWiki is to list oscillators and spaceships with the fewest possible number of cells, this phase of twin bees shuttle does not meet that criterion, and as it required 56 cells and the given form of twin bees shuttle has 38. Furthermore, the method of constructing this version of the oscillator (with fewer blocks) is already explicitly described on the page for twin bees shuttle. This oscillator is in no way new, and we should never, EVER have multiple pages for separate phases of the same oscillator. Nathaniel 14:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

## Natural Occurrence of oscillators

The article states that 'This simplified version of the oscillator appears less often than the Twin Bees Shuttle', however neither of the patterns have been seen in random soup experiments, either at http://wwwhomes.uni-bielefeld.de/achim/oscill.html or http://www.geocities.com/conwaylife/lf020n.pdf Lewis Patterson 16:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

- Not only that, but they both clearly must occur the same amount since they are just different phases of each other. If one occurs, the other must necessarily occur as well. If/when I add a "user patterns" section to the LifeWiki, this page can be added there, but as it is this page just adds confusion and misinformation. Nathaniel 17:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

- Well, if we consider that they require stabilisation, then this version of the blocks arrangement certainly occurs at some different frequency from the other. Whether greater or lower frequency, I'm not sure, although greater would be my initial guess (of the correctness of which I am deeply sceptical). Other than that, agreed (oh, and this way it has 43 cells at the minimum, by the by). Elithrion 19:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)