A MSS Quadratic growth

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A MSS Quadratic growth
I had an Idea for a MSS breeder where we have a puffer which puffs out blockstackers. would it be worth it to make a period154 gun using herschel tracks
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
See pianola breeder.googoIpIex wrote:I had an Idea for a MSS breeder where we have a puffer which puffs out blockstackers. would it be worth it to make a period154 gun using herschel tracks
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
All guns of all periods are already constructed. I've written a script for anything above 10,000 which takes only logarithmic space. Below 10,000 there is jason summer collection of guns, and below 1000 and above 14 there is Chris and Jason. Specifically P154:googoIpIex wrote:would it be worth it to make a period154 gun using herschel tracks
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x = 70, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
56.A$54.3A$53.A$53.2A$37.B9.2B.5B$27.B7.4B8.6B$18.2A6.3B3.B2A6B5.8B$
19.A6.3A.2BA2BA5B4.5B2A3B$19.A.AB2.2BA3BA8B6.3B2A2BABAB$20.2AB.2BA4BA
2BAB2A3B5.3BA3BAB2AB$22.5BA2BABAB3A4B6.2AB3AB2AB$22.4B3ABABA2BA5B6.2A
BABA2B$22.3B2ABA2BA4BA2B.B2A4.B6A2B$23.8BA3BA2B2.BA.A4.B2A2B2AB$22.5B
A2BA2B.3A6.A4.2B6AB$19.B2.BA4B2AB3.3B6.2A4.2BABAB2A$9.B7.4B.2BA3B7.B
11.B2AB3AB2A$2A6.BAB3.B2A5B3AB20.B2ABA3BA3B$.A6.3A.2B3A10B20.BABA2B2A
3B9.A$.A.AB2.3BA2B2A2B2A3B2.4B21.3B2A5B6.3A$2.2AB.2B2A2B5AB2A3B2.4B
21.8B6.A$4.6B3ABABA2BA3B3.3BA21.6B7.2A$4.3BA2BABAB3A6B4.ABAB18.5B.BA
3B.5B$4.3B2AB5A2B2A2B.B2A3.2A2B17.2A4.BABA5B$5.3B2A2B2A2BA3B2.BA.A3.
4B17.A3.2B2A7B$4.6B3A2B.3A6.A4.4B13.3A3.8BA4B$4.6B2AB3.BAB6.2A4.5B11.
A4.4B.4B2ABABAB$6.4B7.B14.4B.2B12.A3B2.2BA2B2AB2A2B$7.B25.A2B2A2B9.BA
3B4.A2B2A3BAB$32.2BA4BA3B5.2B3A5.A7B$30.3BA5B2A2B4.5B6.BA2B2A3B$29.4B
A8BAB2.5B8.B2A2B2AB$30.3BA4BABA2BA6B9.3B2A2BAB$32.2BA3B2A5B2A2B11.7BA
$33.9BA4BA2B8.BA3B2A2BA$33.5BA3BA5BAB7.2B2AB2A2BA2B$33.3B3A2B2ABA2BA
3B7.BABAB2A4B$12.B20.9BA4BA3B9.4BA5B$11.2A2B7.B12.5BABABABA5B9.8B$9.B
A2B2A3B3.3B6.2A4.3BABA2BA2BA4B10.6B$9.BA3BA5B.BAB6.A4.3B2AB2A2BAB2A3B
8.5B.2B$10.A4BA4B2AB2A2.BA.A3.4B3AB2A2B2A3B9.2A$9.2BAB3ABA8B.B2A3.4B.
B2A2BA2BA4B10.A$9.2BABA3BA5B2A3B4.A3B3.BABA9B6.3A$9.3B2A5BA3BABA2B3.B
2AB4.2B5.B.5B5.A$7.2AB.8BAB3ABA2B2.BABA16.4B$6.A.AB2.2AB2A4BA4BA2.4B
18.4B$6.A6.BAB.5BA3BA5B20.4B$5.2A6.3B3.3B2A2BA4B22.4B$14.B7.2B2A.2B2A
2B7.B13.4B$24.B2.BA2BA4B3.3B6.2A5.4B$27.BA2B2A5B.BAB6.A7.4B$28.B3A7BA
BAB2.BA.A8.4B$27.2B2A2B2A3B2AB2AB.B2A10.4B$27.6B3A2B2AB2A3B13.4B$27.
3B2AB2A2B3A6B14.4B$25.2AB.B2AB2A3B2A2B2A2B15.4B$24.A.AB2.BABA7B3AB17.
4B$24.A6.BAB.5B2A2BAB17.4B$23.2A6.3B3.4BA2BAB18.3BA$32.B7.2B2A21.3BA$
42.B23.3AB!

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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
I'm trying to make a spartan one.simsim314 wrote:All guns of all periods are already constructed. I've written a script for anything above 10,000 which takes only logarithmic space. Below 10,000 there is jason summer collection of guns, and below 1000 and above 14 there is Chris and Jason. Specifically P154:googoIpIex wrote:would it be worth it to make a period154 gun using herschel tracks
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x = 70, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory 56.A$54.3A$53.A$53.2A$37.B9.2B.5B$27.B7.4B8.6B$18.2A6.3B3.B2A6B5.8B$ 19.A6.3A.2BA2BA5B4.5B2A3B$19.A.AB2.2BA3BA8B6.3B2A2BABAB$20.2AB.2BA4BA 2BAB2A3B5.3BA3BAB2AB$22.5BA2BABAB3A4B6.2AB3AB2AB$22.4B3ABABA2BA5B6.2A BABA2B$22.3B2ABA2BA4BA2B.B2A4.B6A2B$23.8BA3BA2B2.BA.A4.B2A2B2AB$22.5B A2BA2B.3A6.A4.2B6AB$19.B2.BA4B2AB3.3B6.2A4.2BABAB2A$9.B7.4B.2BA3B7.B 11.B2AB3AB2A$2A6.BAB3.B2A5B3AB20.B2ABA3BA3B$.A6.3A.2B3A10B20.BABA2B2A 3B9.A$.A.AB2.3BA2B2A2B2A3B2.4B21.3B2A5B6.3A$2.2AB.2B2A2B5AB2A3B2.4B 21.8B6.A$4.6B3ABABA2BA3B3.3BA21.6B7.2A$4.3BA2BABAB3A6B4.ABAB18.5B.BA 3B.5B$4.3B2AB5A2B2A2B.B2A3.2A2B17.2A4.BABA5B$5.3B2A2B2A2BA3B2.BA.A3. 4B17.A3.2B2A7B$4.6B3A2B.3A6.A4.4B13.3A3.8BA4B$4.6B2AB3.BAB6.2A4.5B11. A4.4B.4B2ABABAB$6.4B7.B14.4B.2B12.A3B2.2BA2B2AB2A2B$7.B25.A2B2A2B9.BA 3B4.A2B2A3BAB$32.2BA4BA3B5.2B3A5.A7B$30.3BA5B2A2B4.5B6.BA2B2A3B$29.4B A8BAB2.5B8.B2A2B2AB$30.3BA4BABA2BA6B9.3B2A2BAB$32.2BA3B2A5B2A2B11.7BA $33.9BA4BA2B8.BA3B2A2BA$33.5BA3BA5BAB7.2B2AB2A2BA2B$33.3B3A2B2ABA2BA 3B7.BABAB2A4B$12.B20.9BA4BA3B9.4BA5B$11.2A2B7.B12.5BABABABA5B9.8B$9.B A2B2A3B3.3B6.2A4.3BABA2BA2BA4B10.6B$9.BA3BA5B.BAB6.A4.3B2AB2A2BAB2A3B 8.5B.2B$10.A4BA4B2AB2A2.BA.A3.4B3AB2A2B2A3B9.2A$9.2BAB3ABA8B.B2A3.4B. B2A2BA2BA4B10.A$9.2BABA3BA5B2A3B4.A3B3.BABA9B6.3A$9.3B2A5BA3BABA2B3.B 2AB4.2B5.B.5B5.A$7.2AB.8BAB3ABA2B2.BABA16.4B$6.A.AB2.2AB2A4BA4BA2.4B 18.4B$6.A6.BAB.5BA3BA5B20.4B$5.2A6.3B3.3B2A2BA4B22.4B$14.B7.2B2A.2B2A 2B7.B13.4B$24.B2.BA2BA4B3.3B6.2A5.4B$27.BA2B2A5B.BAB6.A7.4B$28.B3A7BA BAB2.BA.A8.4B$27.2B2A2B2A3B2AB2AB.B2A10.4B$27.6B3A2B2AB2A3B13.4B$27. 3B2AB2A2B3A6B14.4B$25.2AB.B2AB2A3B2A2B2A2B15.4B$24.A.AB2.BABA7B3AB17. 4B$24.A6.BAB.5B2A2BAB17.4B$23.2A6.3B3.4BA2BAB18.3BA$32.B7.2B2A21.3BA$ 42.B23.3AB!
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
A. Why would you want to make spartan? Snark and syringe are now synthesizable components just like regular spartan circuits.googoIpIex wrote:I'm trying to make a spartan one.
B. This P154 is completely spartan gun:
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x = 68, y = 32, rule = b3/s23
3bobo$4b2o$4bo$12bo$13bo$11b3o19bo$31b2o$32b2o$14bo$15b2o$14b2o$21bobo
17b2o$22b2o18bo$22bo9bo9bobo13b3o$32bobo8b2o3bo8bo3bo$32b2o13bob2o6bo
4bo$b2o43bo4bo6b2obo$obo44bo3bo8bo3b2o$2bo9bo35b3o13bobo$11b2o53bo$11b
obo52b2o$19b2o$18b2o$20bo$b2o$2b2o$bo19b3o$21bo$22bo$30bo$29b2o$29bobo
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
I'm more worried about this:
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x = 23, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
3b2o5b2o$3b2o5bo$8bobo$8b2o$4b2o$4bobo$5bo3$14bo$11bo2b3o3b2o$4b5o2b3o
3bo2bo$2b3obob3o4b2obobo$bo4bo4b4obobo2b2o$b2ob2ob4o3bobob2obo$5bobobo
bobo2bo2bobo$5bobobo2bo2bob3ob2o$4b2obob4o6bobo$8bo4b6o2bo$10bo2bo2bo
4b2o$9b2o!
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
this is my first version:
it could very likely be improved with some reflector witchcraft.
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x = 100, y = 156, rule = LifeHistory
56.A$54.3A$53.A$53.2A$37.B9.2B.5B$27.B7.2BAB8.BA4B$18.2A6.3B3.4BABA2B
5.B2A5B$19.A6.3B.9BAB4.B3A3BA2B$19.A.AB2.10BA2BAB6.4B2ABA3B$20.2AB.2B
3A5B2A5B5.3B3AB2A3B$22.3BA2BA8BA3B6.2B5A3B$22.3BA8BA2BA3B6.8B$22.5B2A
5B3A2B.B2A4.9B$23.BA2BA10B2.BA.A4.8B$22.BA9B.3B6.A4.9B$19.B2.2BABA4B
3.3B6.2A4.8B$9.B7.2BAB.3BA2B7.B11.3B5A2B$2A6.3B3.5B2A5B20.3B2AB3A3B$.
A6.3B.7B3A5B20.3BAB2A4B9.A$.A.AB2.2BA6B2A4B2.3BA21.2BA3B3AB6.3A$2.2AB
.2B3A5B3A4B2.ABAB21.5B2AB6.A$4.3BA2BA5B3A4B3.2A2B21.4BAB7.2A$4.4B3A5B
A2BA3B4.4B18.5B.5B.5B$4.4B3A5B3A2B.B2A3.4B17.2A4.4BA4B$5.4B2A6BA2B2.B
A.A3.3BA17.A3.4BABA4B$4.B3A7B.3B6.A4.3BA13.3A3.A3BA4B2A2B$4.2B2A5B3.
3B6.2A4.3A2B11.A4.A3B.BA5BA3B$6.BA2B7.B14.4B.2B12.B3A2.3B2A2BA4B$7.B
25.7B9.5B4.3BAB2A3B$32.11B5.5B5.8B$30.8BA4B4.5B6.9B$29.7BABA5B2.2A3B
8.8B$30.7B2A7BA2BA9.9B$32.8BABA5BA11.8B$33.6BAB2A7B8.3B2ABA3B$33.6BAB
2ABA5B7.4BA2B2A3B$33.8BA2B3A4B7.3BA5BAB$12.B20.6B2A3B3A4B9.2B2A4BAB$
11.4B7.B12.4B2A11B9.4BABAB$9.4BA4B3.3B6.2A4.16B10.4BAB$9.3B2A6B.3B6.A
4.2A15B8.5B.2B$10.B4A10B2.BA.A3.2B2A13B9.2A$9.B2A14B.3A3.2BAB.13B10.A
$9.3A2B2A5B2A2B3A4.4B3.13B6.3A$9.3A2B2A5B2A2B3A3.4B4.2B5.B.5B5.A$7.3A
.14B2AB2.A3B16.4B$6.A.AB2.10B4AB2.B2AB18.4B$6.A6.3B.6B2A4BABA20.4B$5.
2A6.3B3.4BA7B22.4B$14.B7.4B.6B7.B13.4B$24.B2.9B3.3B6.2A5.4B$27.3B3A5B
.3B6.A7.4B$28.BA13B2.BA.A8.3BA$27.BA4BA6BA2BA.B2A10.ABAB$27.BA4BA6BA
3BAB13.2A2B$27.BA3BA6BA4BAB14.4B$25.2AB.A2BA6BA4BAB15.4B$24.A.AB2.13B
AB17.4B$24.A6.3B.5B3A3B17.4B$23.2A6.3B3.9B18.4B$32.B7.4B21.4B$42.B23.
4B5$71.3B$72.2B$34.A38.B$34.3A16.2A$37.A14.B2A$36.2A15.2B$37.3A14.2B
4.5B$38.2AB12.4BA9B$38.ABAB11.4B2A8B$39.4B.B5.4BA3BA3B2AB2AB$40.14B4A
4BA2BA3B$40.12BA9BAB2A4B$40.12BA12BA5B$40.12BA2BA7B2A5BCB$41.14BA7BA
7B2C$39.2AB2.23B3.2C2B$38.A.AB4.B.16B7.3B$38.A11.10B.2B9.2B$37.2A12.
9B13.B$48.11B$47.12B$47.12B$47.11B$47.8B.4B$47.7B4.2A38.D$47.7B4.A40.
D$47.6B6.3A35.3D$46.7B8.A$45.8B$44.8B$43.9B$42.4B.6B$41.4B.7B14.A$40.
4B2.6B13.3A$39.4B3.8B4.B5.A$38.4B5.B2A6B.4B3.2A$37.4B5.2B2A16B$36.4B
7.17B$35.A3B9.17B$34.BABA13.13B$33.2B2A13.12B$32.4B14.10B$31.4B14.11B
$30.4B15.7B.2B$29.4B15.11B$28.4B17.11B$27.4B18.8BA2B7.2A$11.2A13.4B
19.7B3AB2.2A2.A2.A$12.A12.4B18.2AB2.3B5A2.A.A2.2A$12.A.AB2.B5.4B18.A.
AB3.B3AB2A3.B.2A$13.2AB.3B3.4B19.A6.B2AB2AB2.2B2.A$15.6B.4B19.2A7.2BA
3B.2BAB.A.2A$15.10B29.8BA.A.2A.A$15.2B2A5B30.8B.A.A$16.A2BA3B32.5B4.A
2.2A$16.BABA4B31.6B4.2A.3A$17.BA6B29.6B6.B4.A$17.3B2.4B28.7B3.B2AB3A$
15.B.3B3.4B28.8B.B2A.A$13.BA3B6.4B27.10B$13.AB3A3.B3.4B25.3B2A6B$13.
5BA.B2A3.4B18.2A5.2B2A6B$12.B2A3BA2B2A4.4B18.A5.10B$12.A2.2BA2B.B6.4B
17.A.AB2.11B$13.4AB11.4B17.2AB.12B$30.4B18.15B$13.4AB13.4B17.16B$12.A
2.2BA2B.B10.4B10.A5.16B.2B$12.B2A3BA2B2A10.4B7.3A5.18B2A$13.5BA.B2A
11.4B5.A7.17B.B2A$13.AB3A3.B13.4B4.2A5.4B2.8B.4B.B$13.BA3B18.9B4.4B4.
7B$15.B21.6B5.4B5.6B$37.8B2.4B6.4B$35.6BA8B5.A3B$35.7B2A5B5.A.AB$35.
7BA5B6.A.A$33.2AB.10B8.A$32.A.AB3.A2BA2B7.3A$32.A6.B2A3B7.A$31.2A6.4B
$40.3B$41.2B.BA$40.B2ABA.A$39.BABABA.A$37.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$37.4A.2A2.A2.
A$41.A4.2A$39.A.A$39.2A!
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
I have completed the bricklayer:
Now all we need is a *WSS puffer for these!
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x = 92, y = 156, rule = LifeHistory
56.A$54.3A$53.A$53.2A$37.B9.2B.5B$27.B7.2BAB8.BA4B$18.2A6.3B3.4BABA2B
5.B2A5B$19.A6.3B.9BAB4.B3A3BA2B$19.A.AB2.10BA2BAB6.4B2ABA3B$20.2AB.2B
3A5B2A5B5.3B3AB2A3B$22.3BA2BA8BA3B6.2B5A3B$22.3BA8BA2BA3B6.8B$22.5B2A
5B3A2B.B2A4.9B$23.BA2BA10B2.BA.A4.8B$22.BA9B.3B6.A4.9B$19.B2.2BABA4B
3.3B6.2A4.8B$9.B7.2BAB.3BA2B7.B11.3B5A2B$2A6.3B3.5B2A5B20.3B2AB3A3B$.
A6.3B.7B3A5B20.3BAB2A4B9.A$.A.AB2.2BA6B2A4B2.3BA21.2BA3B3AB6.3A$2.2AB
.2B3A5B3A4B2.ABAB21.5B2AB6.A$4.3BA2BA5B3A4B3.2A2B21.4BAB7.2A$4.4B3A5B
A2BA3B4.4B18.5B.5B.5B$4.4B3A5B3A2B.B2A3.4B17.2A4.4BA4B$5.4B2A6BA2B2.B
A.A3.3BA17.A3.4BABA4B$4.B3A7B.3B6.A4.3BA13.3A3.A3BA4B2A2B$4.2B2A5B3.
3B6.2A4.3A2B11.A4.A3B.BA5BA3B$6.BA2B7.B14.4B.2B12.B3A2.3B2A2BA4B$7.B
25.7B9.5B4.3BAB2A3B$32.11B5.5B5.8B$30.8BA4B4.5B6.9B$29.7BABA5B2.2A3B
8.8B$30.7B2A7BA2BA9.9B$32.8BABA5BA11.8B$33.6BAB2A7B8.3B2ABA3B$33.6BAB
2ABA5B7.4BA2B2A3B$33.8BA2B3A4B7.3BA5BAB$12.B20.6B2A3B3A4B9.2B2A4BAB$
11.4B7.B12.4B2A11B9.4BABAB$9.4BA4B3.3B6.2A4.16B10.4BAB$9.3B2A6B.3B6.A
4.2A15B8.5B.2B$10.B4A10B2.BA.A3.2B2A13B9.2A$9.B2A14B.3A3.2BAB.13B10.A
$9.3A2B2A5B2A2B3A4.4B3.13B6.3A$9.3A2B2A5B2A2B3A3.4B4.2B5.B.5B5.A$7.3A
.14B2AB2.A3B16.4B$6.A.AB2.10B4AB2.B2AB18.4B$6.A6.3B.6B2A4BABA20.4B$5.
2A6.3B3.4BA7B22.4B$14.B7.4B.6B7.B13.4B$24.B2.9B3.3B6.2A5.4B$27.3B3A5B
.3B6.A7.4B$28.BA13B2.BA.A8.3BA$27.BA4BA6BA2BA.B2A10.ABAB$27.BA4BA6BA
3BAB13.2A2B$27.BA3BA6BA4BAB14.4B$25.2AB.A2BA6BA4BAB15.4B$24.A.AB2.13B
AB17.4B$24.A6.3B.5B3A3B17.4B$23.2A6.3B3.9B18.4B$32.B7.4B21.4B$42.B23.
4B5$71.3B$72.2B$34.A38.B$34.3A16.2A$37.A14.B2A$36.2A15.2B$37.3A14.2B
4.5B$38.2AB12.4BA9B$38.ABAB11.4B2A8B$39.4B.B5.4BA3BA3B2AB2AB$40.14B4A
4BA2BA3B$40.12BA9BAB2A4B14.2A$40.12BA12BA5B10.2A.6A$40.12BA2BA7B2A5BA
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18.A.AB3.B3AB2A3.B.2A$13.2AB.3B3.4B19.A6.B2AB2AB2.2B2.A$15.6B.4B19.2A
7.2BA3B.2BAB.A.2A$15.10B29.8BA.A.2A.A$15.2B2A5B30.8B.A.A$16.A2BA3B32.
5B4.A2.2A$16.BABA4B31.6B4.2A.3A$17.BA6B29.6B6.B4.A$17.3B2.4B28.7B3.B
2AB3A$15.B.3B3.4B28.8B.B2A.A$13.BA3B6.4B27.10B$13.AB3A3.B3.4B25.3B2A
6B$13.5BA.B2A3.4B18.2A5.2B2A6B$12.B2A3BA2B2A4.4B18.A5.10B$12.A2.2BA2B
.B6.4B17.A.AB2.11B$13.4AB11.4B17.2AB.12B$30.4B18.15B$13.4AB13.4B17.
16B$12.A2.2BA2B.B10.4B10.A5.16B.2B$12.B2A3BA2B2A10.4B7.3A5.18B2A$13.
5BA.B2A11.4B5.A7.17B.B2A$13.AB3A3.B13.4B4.2A5.4B2.8B.4B.B$13.BA3B18.
9B4.4B4.7B$15.B21.6B5.4B5.6B$37.8B2.4B6.4B$35.6BA8B5.A3B$35.7B2A5B5.A
.AB$35.7BA5B6.A.A$33.2AB.10B8.A$32.A.AB3.A2BA2B7.3A$32.A6.B2A3B7.A$
31.2A6.4B$40.3B$41.2B.BA$40.B2ABA.A$39.BABABA.A$37.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$37.
4A.2A2.A2.A$41.A4.2A$39.A.A$39.2A!
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
From a practical standpoint, it doesn't seem like these statements are true in this context.simsim314 wrote:B. This P154 is completely spartan gun...
You don't need spartan things today at all.... When snark was not part of synthesizable circuitry we used other reflectors. Today everything is as good as anything spartan.
The definition of "Spartan" has recently been altered to mean "easily constructible by slow salvos"  i.e., things that can be compiled automatically with slsparse. But that p154 gun is pretty far from being something that you could feed into slsparse and get a slowsalvo recipe out. To make a seed for that p154 gun that slsparse could compile, an enormous web of onetime turners would have to be added all around the gun  not only to make the six 12glider recipes for the p22 oscillator shown above, but also to set them up so that they don't get in each other's way, and synchronize all of those construction signals so that the gun starts up correctly.
Really if we had to construct this particular p154 gun, we'd probably do some research to find how to crash a glider into a small constellation to get half of the Jason's p22  and then put two of those together using splitters and turners, just like the recent Gosper glider gun seed... and then stick six of those together with more turners and splitters.
It can certainly be done, but there would have to be a very very good reason to do that much work!
EDIT: At this point I accidentally switched from p154 to p152, so the example patterns below would need some work to switch them over to the right period. But a similar amount of work could probably make a 1glider seed for a p154 gun using simsim314's 2glider seed, so that's probably the way to go anyway.
It's probably quite a lot simpler to build an actual Spartan p152 gun  Spartan in the old sense of "made out of small separate still lifes". These aren't difficult to build, e.g., with four oldschool Callahan GtoH reflectors. (You can't use Silver reflectors because the cleanup timing isn't compatible with p152.)
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4B46.4B13.12B$7.9B16.3A21.6B5.3A35.4B44.4B14.10B$7.9B16.A22.8B4.A38.
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AB.7B34.4B12.4B43.4B30.4B18.2AB2.4BA3B$4.2A2B.6B33.4B14.4B43.4B28.4B
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4B24.4B19.2A7.6B$7.8B30.4B20.4B43.4B22.4B29.7B$8.7B29.4B22.4B43.4B20.
4B30.8B$9.6B7.2A19.4B24.4B43.4B18.4B32.8B$9.2B3A2B6.A19.4B26.4B43.4B
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7B2A2B18.4B34.4B43.4B8.4B37.6B4.2A$9.4B3ABA2B17.4B36.4B43.4B6.4B38.6B
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2.4B38.8B$9.6BA4B14.2BAB42.4B38.A4.8B22.A16.9B$9.10B14.4B44.4B35.3A5.
6B21.3A16.9B$7.12B13.4B46.4B33.A5.6B2A21.A18.10B$5.13B13.4B48.4B32.2A
3.6B2A2B20.2A17.3B2A5B$4.17B9.4B50.4B13.A7.2A6.4B2.9BA2B17.4B11.2A3.
4B2A5B$4.18B7.4B52.4B10.3A8.A6.2B3.8B2.4B15.2AB14.A3.11B$2.2AB.13B2A
2B5.4B54.4B8.A11.A.AB2.13B4.4B14.2BAB13.A.A12B$.A.AB3.4B.6B2AB5.4B56.
4B6.B2A11.2AB2.B2A9B6.4B12.B2A2B8.2A4.2A2.8B$.A8.B4.8B3.4B53.2A3.4B3.
5B12.4BA2BA7B.2B.3B.4B11.2BA3B8.A9.7B4.2A$2A15.6B2.4B55.A4.4B2.3B15.
4B2A27B2.5BA2B8.A.AB7.6B4.A$16.7B.4B56.A.AB2.8B15.16B2A22BA3B8.2AB.3B
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B13.32B.7B12.16B$17.8B61.13B3A12.42B12.14B$16.8B63.6B3A4B.3A9.9B6.2B
3.2B2.15BA3B11.16B$16.7B62.2AB.11B.BA.A7.9B19.12BA4B8.18B$16.6B62.A.A
B3.9B4.A6.4B.5B21.15B.2B2.20B$15.7B62.A7.7B5.2A4.2A2B3.3B23.15B2A21B$
15.7B61.2A7.6B11.2B2A2.7B21.8B.5BA2BA11B.7B$10.3B.8B70.7B9.2BAB3.2A.B
.2A19.8B3.5BA2BA11B2.6B$9.13B70.8B7.4B5.A3.A20.2A3.B5.4B2AB2A11B3.6B$
8.14B70.9B5.4B3.3A5.3A18.A10.4B2A12B6.4B$7.15B70.5B.4B3.4B4.A9.A15.3A
12.B.3B.4B12.B2A2B$7.14B70.7B.4B.4B31.A19.4B14.2A.B2A$8.13B70.3B2A2B
2.7B51.4B18.BA.A$8.14B70.2B2AB4.5B51.B2AB22.A$9.12B71.6B3.5B50.3BA23.
2A$11.3B2A3B73.6B2.7B49.3A$12.BA2BA2B72.7B.4B.4B48.AB$14.2AB74.6B.4B
3.4B$92.9B5.4B$92.8B7.4B$91.8B9.4B$91.7B11.4B$82.2A7.6B13.4B$83.A6.7B
14.4B$83.A.AB3.7B15.4B$84.2AB2.8B16.4B$86.11B17.2B2A$86.11B18.2A2B$
86.11B19.BA2B$85.11B21.4B$86.7B.2B22.4B$86.11B22.4B$87.10B23.4B$87.
12B22.4B$88.13B21.4B$85.17B21.4B$84.18B22.4B$83.2B2A13B.B2A21.4B$84.B
2A6B.4B3.BA.A21.4B$77.2AB3.8B4.B8.A22.4B$77.BA2B2.6B15.2A22.4B$78.ABA
B.7B39.4B$79.2A2B.6B40.4B20.2A$80.9B42.4B17.2B2AB$81.8B43.4B16.4B$82.
8B43.4B15.6B$83.7B8.A35.4B15.5B$84.3BA2B6.3A36.4B14.6B$84.4BA2B4.A40.
4B13.7B$84.4BABA4.2A20.A19.4B12.6B$84.4BA3B.4B4.A15.3A12.B.3B.4B10.7B
$84.5BABA3B4.3A18.A10.4BA13B4.6B$84.7BA4B2.A20.2A3.B5.5B2A13B2.7B$84.
5BABA4B2.2A19.8B3.6B2A12B2.7B$85.4B2A5B3.B21.8B.6BA13B.9B$88.7B4.3B
19.14BA24B$87.8B3.6B16.11BABAB.2B2.20B4.B$86.9B2.10B11.11BABA3B8.19B.
B2A$85.23B3.2B2.19B11.19B2A$83.B.16B2A28BA2B12.17B.B$82.2A17B2A22B.5B
AB12.17B$82.2A43BABA4B11.17B$83.42B2A5BA2B8.2AB.15B$81.5B2.36B2.4BABA
B8.A.AB4.12B$81.2A6.5B5.13B.4B11.6B8.A9.11B$82.A7.2B.3B3.7B.B4.4B12.
2BA2B8.2A8.13B$79.3A12.2A15.4B14.A2BA18.12B$79.A14.A16.2A16.A2B20.10B
$95.3A14.A17.A2BA19.9B$97.A11.3A20.BA19.9B$109.A22.A20.9B$133.3A18.5B
$135.A18.4B$154.4B$153.4B$152.4B$151.4B$150.4B$149.4B$148.4B$147.4B$
146.4B$145.4B$144.4B$143.4B$142.4B$141.A3B$140.A3B$140.3A!
It Still Ain't Trivial, Though
The startup problem isn't particularly easy even for the Spartan p152 gun! You have to sneak eight extra gliders in to clean up all the Annoying Beehives that get created, until the four reflectors become selfsustaining. To see the problem, add a new Herschel 152 ticks after the initial marked Herschel in the following p912 gun.
(You could try this edit by hitting F1 in LifeViewer, by the way, now that Build 301 is out! Ctrl+Shift+R or whatever a hard refresh is in your browser, if you're still seeing Build 292.)
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x = 190, y = 211, rule = LifeHistory
54.A$54.3A$57.A22.A$56.2A20.3A11.A$77.A14.3A$77.2A16.A14.A$94.2A12.3A
$107.A$107.2A3$106.2A$87.2A17.2A$35.A51.2A$34.A.A$34.A.A$35.A3$56.2A
32.2A$56.2A11.2A20.A$69.A18.3A$70.3A15.A$72.A20.2A$94.A$91.3A$91.A4$
109.2A$109.A.A$84.2A25.A$85.A25.2A$85.A.A15.2A$86.2A15.2A12$104.2A$
104.A.A$106.A$106.2A5$174.2A$33.A139.A2.A$31.3A140.2A$5.2A23.A$6.A23.
2A62.2A$6.A.A85.2A$7.2A2.2A37.A$11.2A35.3A15.A9.A$47.A18.3A5.3A$34.2A
11.2A20.A3.A$34.2A32.2A3.2A$105.2A$71.A12.2A19.A$70.A.A12.A17.A.A$70.
A.A12.A.A15.2A$71.A14.2A4.A$91.A.A$91.A.A$5.2A52.2A31.A10.2A$4.A.A16.
2A34.2A42.A.A$4.A18.A.A45.2A32.A82.2A$3.2A20.A44.A2.A31.2A81.A$19.2A
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32.A34.A4$2.2A$3.A$3.A.A162.2A$4.2A161.A.A$167.A$166.2A3$22.2A$22.A$
20.A.A161.2A$20.2A162.A.A$186.A$186.2A4$122.A34.A$120.3A32.3A$119.A
34.A$119.2A33.2A20.2A$101.A7.2A56.2A7.2A$99.3A8.A57.A$2.2A15.2A77.A
11.A.A55.A.A$.A.A15.2A77.2A11.2A4.2A44.2A4.2A$.A81.2A31.A2.A44.A20.2A
$2A82.A32.2A45.A.A18.A$84.A.A42.2A11.C22.2A16.A.A$85.2A10.A31.2A9.3C
40.2A$89.2A5.A.A41.C.C$88.A2.A4.A.A41.C$89.2A6.A4.2A14.A$85.2A15.A.A
12.A.A$84.A.A17.A12.A.A$84.A19.2A12.A$83.2A$115.2A3.2A32.2A$116.A3.A
20.2A11.2A$113.3A5.3A18.A$113.A9.A15.3A35.2A$139.A37.2A2.2A$94.2A85.A
.A$94.2A62.2A23.A$159.A23.2A$14.2A140.3A$13.A2.A139.A$14.2A5$82.2A$
83.A$83.A.A$84.2A12$85.2A15.2A$85.2A15.A.A$77.2A25.A$78.A25.2A$78.A.A
$79.2A73.2A$154.2A3$98.A$96.3A$95.A$95.2A20.A$101.A15.3A$99.3A18.A$
98.A20.2A11.2A$98.2A32.2A4$164.2A$164.2A$101.2A12.2A$82.2A17.2A11.3A.
2A$82.2A31.2A.3A$114.3A.2A23.2A$114.2A26.A.A$81.2A59.A$82.A58.2A$79.
3A12.2A$79.A14.A16.2A$95.3A14.A$97.A11.3A20.2A$109.A22.A$133.3A$135.A
18$138.2A$139.A$136.3A$136.A!
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x = 618, y = 662, rule = B3/S23
482bo$482b3o$485bo22bo$484b2o20b3o11bo$505bo14b3o$505b2o16bo14bo$522b
2o12b3o$535bo$535b2o3$534b2o$515b2o17b2o$463bo51b2o$462bobo$462bobo$
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
Couldn't we use another glider from that gun and reflect it?dvgrn wrote:It wouldn't be much fun to build highperiod rakes for two of these guns, but the task could be completed maybe a hundred times faster than solving all the startup conflicts in the other p152 guns.Code: Select all
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
Sure, that's slightly cheaper. Could be less of an improvement than you might expect, though, depending on how the reflectors work out  you have to use reflectors that allow the color, the phase mod 8, and the absolute timing mod 152 to work out correctly.googoIpIex wrote:Couldn't we use another glider from that gun and reflect it?
That's mostly likely at least two reflectors, possibly three, so that's already about half or threequarters of the cost of a second gun.
You could also try taking the two gliders from a Herschel loop, like the old p152 gun from Jason Summers' collection but preferably more Spartan:
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x = 126, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
31b2o7b2o$30bobo7b2o21b2o7b2o$28b3obobo27bobo7b2o$2b2o23bo5b2o25b3obob
o27bo$3bo23b2o30bo5b2o25b3o11bo$3bobo53b2o8b2o20bo14b3o$4b2o2b2o59b2o
20b2o16bo14bo$8b2o98b2o12b3o$121bo$60b2o3b2o44b2o8b2o$59bobo3b3o36bobo
$22bo36bo6bob2o3bo32bo$19b3o37b3o4bo7bo45b2o$15b2obo48b3o2b3o27bo3b2o
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bob3o25b2o5bo23b2o$52b2o7bobo27bobob3o$52b2o7b2o21b2o7bobo$84b2o7b2o!
Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
Maybe this could help:dvgrn wrote:To make a seed for that p154 gun that slsparse could compile, an enormous web of onetime turners would have to be added all around the gun
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x = 100, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
3$32.C$32.C.C23.C$32.2C25.C$57.3C8$18.2C$18.C.C52.2C$13.2C4.C41.2C10.
C$14.C47.C8.C.C$14.C.C14.C30.C.C6.2C6.C$15.2C3.2C8.C.C30.2C13.C.C$20.
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C$44.C!
The remark has interesting historical notes, but the context I was using it wasn't truly referring to self construct spartant circuitry because there is no need in spratan circuitry in the context of breeders and puffers, and spartan meant simply constructible by breeders i.e. not made of some impossible to synthesize components. I borrowed the usage to show case you can construct P154 with glider and therefore use breeders to make puffer of such. Anyway now it's even simpler.dvgrn wrote:The definition of "Spartan" has recently been altered to mean "easily constructible by slow salvos"...
Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
Yup, that certainly makes things nicer. We could probably use some kind of programmatic help to automatically find a compatible 2sL splitter that can make each pair of gliders from one glider, along with a turner or two or three, and then make those two gliders from one glider via another splitter.simsim314 wrote:Maybe this could help...dvgrn wrote:To make a seed for that p154 gun that slsparse could compile, an enormous web of onetime turners would have to be added all around the gun
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x = 55, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
42.C$42.C.C$42.2C9$.C26.2C12.B$2.C25.C.C.B7.4B$3C20.2C4.C.3B3.9B$24.C
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2B2.C2.7B3.2B$27.2B.2B2.10B.B2C$28.B5.4B2C3B2.BC.C$27.10BC.C8.C$24.B
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4.2C21.2C$11.4B7.B.C.C25.2C$12.B12.2C27.C9$11.2C$12.2C$11.C!
Fair warning: My p152 examples above are useless, because I got confused halfway through  what I should have built are Spartan p154 guns. There's a way to do p154 with two Silver reflectors plus some attachments, rather than four. That would be roughly the same construction cost as a single gun with a standard syringe in it.
True enough. My point was just that if you want to actually build something with rakes, instead of just saying it can be done theoretically, you're often much better off with Spartan circuitry, because you'll end up with a rake that's much easier to build and a tenth of the size of what you'd end up with if you failed to choose your circuitry carefully. If you want a syringe, add 77 rakes, whereas a full Silver reflector only costs about half that much.simsim314 wrote:...there is no need in [Spartan] circuitry in the context of breeders and puffers, and spartan meant simply constructible by breeders i.e. not made of some impossible to synthesize components.
Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
Basically what we want is drying sync salvo script. It's definitely part of the CA Studio agenda. As part of the studio every synthesizable component would be possible to dry out. You just need to provide synthesys for every component, and a drying mechanism that can convert G>Right timing G. And obviously a good inserter. The compiled results would not be optimized, probably will use some sort of clock inserters, but their power would be universality and abstraction layer. You will just take any construction and say "dry it out for me", and it will be done automatically. Think that in the studio this will be done as simply as placing a glider. The compilation from the studio to CGOL or any other CA will be a very complex job, but finite job, and you'll automatically get every construction done in the studio for free afterwards. I can't imagine now what is possible in the studio  but the cost in CGOL will be important. Hopefully studio will also be capable to compile into transistors, or at least some sub part of it (CGOL is possible to implement in transistors but it's not efficient).dvgrn wrote: We could probably use some kind of programmatic help to automatically find a compatible 2sL splitter
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Re: A MSS Quadratic growth
Remember in 2018 the 34P14 shuttle has been made? We don't need this anymore! The 34P14 shuttle can replace it!googoIpIex wrote:I'm more worried about this:Code: Select all
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