Helix Thread

[codeholic]

- actually the 24 gliders are 12 on each side, so in terms of length of the caaterpillar, they only lead to 24 *WSS, no HWSS.

Each glider needs 2 xWSS to get duplicated, so that leads to 48 xWSS, not 24, and x5 helix would save at least 8 xWSS, not 4. However, you're right that spaceships on the other side are built simultaneously, so they don't affect the length of the caterpillar that much.

[codeholic]

With a slow salvo construction we could still use both forerakes and backrakes when we needed them, but most of the helix construction could be a tight stack of one type of rake (not sure which type is cheaper). It always seemed to me that the result would be a really significantly smaller spaceship, even if no other improvements were made.

I may try to adapt the script I wrote for the HBK to calculate weights according to 17c/45 modular arithmetic, unless there is already something better.

[HartmutHolzwart]

With a slow salvo construction we could still use both forerakes and backrakes when we needed them, but most of the helix construction could be a tight stack of one type of rake (not sure which type is cheaper). It always seemed to me that the result would be a really significantly smaller spaceship, even if no other improvements were made.

I may try to adapt the script I wrote for the HBK to calculate weights according to 17c/45 modular arithmetic, unless there is already something better.

… you might also want to go through the condupillar thread https://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopi ... ar#p186094 on how to build a Coe ship with slow salvos…

[HartmutHolzwart]

Here is a slightly shorter one, 12 xWSS + Coe ship:

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x = 66, y = 184, rule = B3/S23
54bo$24bo28b3o3b3o$16b2o5b3o12bo13b2obo2bo2bo$15bobo5bob2o3b3o4b3o12b
3o6bo$17bo6b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o5b3o2bo3bo$24b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo4b3o2bo2bo$
30bo3bo3b2o4bo8bobo$30bo3bo9bo3bo5b2o$30bo13bo3bo$31bobo10bo$45bobo2$
57b2o$57b2o$55b3o5bo$48b3o3b3o5b3o$48bo2bo10bob2o$48bo14b3o$48bo3bo10b
3o$48bo14b3o$49bobo11b2o$25bo$24b3o$7b3o7b3o4bob2o$6bo2bo7bo2bo4b3o$9b
o7bo7b2o$5bo3bo7bo3bo$5bo3bo7bo3bo$9bo7bo$6bobo9bobo4$54bo$14bo9bo28b
3o3b3o$2b3o8b3o7b3o12bo14bob2o2bo2bo$2bo2bo7bob2o5b2obo4b3o4b3o14b3o2b
o$2bo11b3o5b3o4bo2bo3b2obo4b3o7b3o2bo$2bo3bo7b3o6b2o7bo3b3o4bo2bo7b2o
4bobo$2bo3bo7b3o11bo3bo4b2o7bo7bo$2bo11b2o12bo3bo9bo3bo$3bobo26bo9bo3b
o7b3o$29bobo14bo$43bobo4$9bo47b2o4bo$8b3o37b3o11b3o$7b2obo36bo2bo3b2o
5b2obo$7b3o40bo10b3o$8b2o36bo3bo10b3o$50bo10b3o$47bobo12b2o$25bo$24b3o
$7b3o7b3o3b2obo$7bo2bo5bo2bo3b3o$7bo11bo4b2o$7bo3bo3bo3bo$7bo3bo3bo3bo
$7bo11bo$8bobo5bobo4$54bo$14bo9bo28b3o3b3o$2b3o8b3o7b3o12bo13b2obo2bo
2bo$bo2bo7b2obo7bob2o3b3o4b3o12b3o6bo$4bo7b3o9b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o5b3o
2bo3bo$o3bo7b3o9b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo4b3o2bo2bo$o3bo7b3o15bo3bo3b2o4bo8bobo
$4bo8b2o15bo3bo9bo3bo4b3o$bobo26bo13bo3bo5bo$31bobo10bo9b2o$45bobo4$9b
o53bo$8b3o37b3o11b3o$8bob2o36bo2bo10bob2o$9b3o36bo14b3o$9b2o37bo3bo10b
3o$48bo14b3o$49bobo11b2o$25bo$24b3o$7b3o7b3o4bob2o$6bo2bo7bo2bo4b3o$9b
o7bo7b2o$5bo3bo7bo3bo$5bo3bo7bo3bo$9bo7bo$6bobo9bobo4$54bo$14bo9bo28b
3o3b3o$2b3o8b3o7b3o12bo14bob2o2bo2bo$2bo2bo7bob2o5b2obo4b3o4b3o14b3o2b
o$2bo11b3o5b3o4bo2bo3b2obo4b3o7b3o2bo$2bo3bo7b3o6b2o7bo3b3o4bo2bo7b2o
4bobo$2bo3bo7b3o11bo3bo4b2o7bo7bo$2bo11b2o12bo3bo9bo3bo$3bobo26bo9bo3b
o7b3o$29bobo14bo8bo$43bobo4$9bo53bo$8b3o37b3o11b3o$7b2obo36bo2bo10b2ob
o$7b3o40bo10b3o$8b2o36bo3bo10b3o$50bo10b3o$47bobo12b2o$25bo$24b3o$7b3o
7b3o3b2obo$7bo2bo5bo2bo3b3o$7bo11bo4b2o$7bo3bo3bo3bo$7bo3bo3bo3bo$7bo
11bo$8bobo5bobo4$54bo$14bo9bo28b3o3b3o$2b3o8b3o7b3o12bo13b2obo2bo2bo$b
o2bo7b2obo7bob2o3b3o4b3o12b3o6bo$4bo7b3o9b3o3bo2bo3bob2o3b3o5b3o2bo3bo
$o3bo7b3o9b2o4bo7b3o3bo2bo4b3o2bo2bo$o3bo7b3o15bo3bo3b2o4bo8bobo$4bo8b
2o15bo3bo9bo3bo4b3o$bobo26bo13bo3bo4bo2bo$31bobo10bo8bo2bo$45bobo6bobo
$55bo3$9bo53bo$8b3o37b3o11b3o$8bob2o36bo2bo10bob2o$9b3o36bo14b3o$9b2o
37bo3bo10b3o$48bo14b3o$49bobo11b2o$25bo$24b3o$7b3o7b3o4bob2o$6bo2bo7bo
2bo4b3o$9bo7bo7b2o$5bo3bo7bo3bo$5bo3bo7bo3bo$9bo7bo$6bobo9bobo5$14bo$
2b3o8b3o$2bo2bo7bob2o$2bo11b3o$2bo3bo7b3o$2bo3bo7b3o$2bo11b2o$3bobo6$
9bo$8b3o$7b2obo$7b3o$8b2o!

Is there a helix using two Coe Ships? Not that I know how to build them yet...