Seeds

[Gpennder_____409]

Mod edit: This is a thread for discussing the Seeds rule (B2/S). A small collection of patterns in Seeds was compiled by Jason Summers and is available here.

I found a wick that moves at 16c/8 in other words 2c, so maybe the speed of light is NOT the speed of light

[Rhombic]

Even though it is impossible, prove it by posting it.
Note: it is impossible.

[muzik]

wat.

A puffer I found from a soup, this has probably been discovered before but who cares

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x = 6, y = 14, rule = B2/S
bo$o4$bobo$4bo$bo$2bo2bo$3bo$5bo$4bo$bo$2b2o!

[drc]

Even though it is impossible, prove it by posting it.
Note: it is impossible.

I don't understand how it's impossible. I'm pretty sure a wick can move at c/2 in seeds.

[BlinkerSpawn]

Does he maybe mean something like this?

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x = 73, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
60.A.A.A.B.B.B.B$50.A.A.BAB6ABA8B$40.A.A.BAB4ABABABA11BABABA$30.A.A.B
AB4ABABABABA3BA2BAB14ABA$20.A.A.BAB4ABABABABABABABABABABA22B$10.A.A.B
AB4ABABABABA3B3ABA3BABABABABABABA2BAB10ABA4B$E.A.B.B4ABABABABA3BABABA
2BA5B4ABABABABABABABABABABA5BABABA4B$EA2B3A3BABABABABABA2B2A13BABABAB
ABABABABABABABABA12B$EA2B3A3BABABABABABA2B2A13BABABABABABABABABABABAB
A12B$E.A.B.B4ABABABABA3BABABA2BA5B4ABABABABABABABABABABA5BABABA4B$10.
A.A.BAB4ABABABABA3B3ABA3BABABABABABABA2BAB10ABA4B$20.A.A.BAB4ABABABAB
ABABABABABABA22B$30.A.A.BAB4ABABABABA3BA2BAB14ABA$40.A.A.BAB4ABABABA
11BABABA$50.A.A.BAB6ABA8B$60.A.A.A.B.B.B.B!

[Sphenocorona]

Silly c/6 spaceship search fail:

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x = 18, y = 80, rule = B2/S
6bo4bo$4bobo4bobo$4bobo4bobo$2b3o8b3o4$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$
b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o
5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o
2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2b
o3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo
3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b
2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$
o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo!

The search stopped caring about any other possible branches of the tree once it stumbled on the one above, so maybe there could still be a width 18 bilaterally symmetric c/6 spaceship...


More excitingly, here's a long c/7 partial at width 15 with odd bilateral symmetry:

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x = 59, y = 15, rule = B2/S
53bo$11bo4bobo6b4o14bo10bo2b2o$3bo2bo5bo3bobobo5b2obo8bo13b3o2bo$2bo7b
3o5b2obo9b2o5bo7bo$16bobo6bobo5bo2b3o4bobo2b3o5bo$o7bo2b2o2bo3bo5b3o3b
o10bobo6bo3b2obo$5bo13bo5bo4b3o4bo3b2obo6bo5bo$5b3o3b5ob2obo5b3o13b3o$
5bo13bo5bo4b3o4bo3b2obo6bo5bo$o7bo2b2o2bo3bo5b3o3bo10bobo6bo3b2obo$16b
obo6bobo5bo2b3o4bobo2b3o5bo$2bo7b3o5b2obo9b2o5bo7bo$3bo2bo5bo3bobobo5b
2obo8bo13b3o2bo$11bo4bobo6b4o14bo10bo2b2o$53bo!

The first 55 rows reappear unmodified after 7 generations, which I think is pretty good. Also, the top band of 3 rows is at a very weak connection - only one generation of actual interaction, and since it's at generation 6, basically any other single gen interaction that prevents any birth at all in that region will work fine.

[glider_rider]

A p4 gun.

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x = 18, y = 31, rule = B2/S
bobo10bobo$o3bo8bo3bo3$4bo8bo$4bo3b2o3bo2$7bo2bo$o16bo$o4bo6bo4bo$o16b
o$o5bo4bo5bo$7bo2bo$2bobo2bo2bo2bobo$4bob2o2b2obo2$o6bo2bo6bo$o6bo2bo
6bo$o16bo$o5b2o2b2o5bo$4bobo4bobo$2bo4bo2bo4bo$2bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo3b2o3bo
$bobo10bobo$o3bo8bo3bo$7bo2bo$8b2o2$4bobo4bobo$3bo3bo2bo3bo!

That c/6 is great. It might be possible to make a p5 gun that shoots the necessary spaceships to push it along. I don't think this is likely to be found, but it would be cool.

[muzik]

That c/6 is great. It might be possible to make a p5 gun that shoots the necessary spaceships to push it along. I don't think this is likely to be found, but it would be cool.

Or a c/6 forerake?

[Naszvadi]

According to this: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2192

There is a p4/c1 glider+garbage generator that I published in 2000. Here you are:

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#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 10, y = 2, rule = B2/S
4b2o$2o6b2o!

I mentioned the generated glider: http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/rules/b2s/g5.html

[muzik]

Has anyone used this to make a barberpole-style oscillator?

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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B2/S
o2$2bo2$4bo2$6bo2$8bo2$10bo2$12bo2$14bo2$16bo2$18bo2$20bo2$22bo2$24bo!

[BlinkerSpawn]

Has anyone used this to make a barberpole-style oscillator?

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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B2/S
o2$2bo2$4bo2$6bo2$8bo2$10bo2$12bo2$14bo2$16bo2$18bo2$20bo2$22bo2$24bo!

I can't think of one offhand.
I know wls excels at finding p2s; isn't there a setting to have it search rules other than Life?

[wildmyron]

Has anyone used this to make a barberpole-style oscillator?

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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B2/S
o2$2bo2$4bo2$6bo2$8bo2$10bo2$12bo2$14bo2$16bo2$18bo2$20bo2$22bo2$24bo!

Jason Summers has a pattern collection on his website which includes some oscillator collections. In the file "oscs-p002.lif" there is an extended oscillator which is comprised of a variety of wicks all joined up in a circuit - It includes four segments of this wick joined to several different wicks. I don't actually see examples of fenceposts for any of the wicks in the circuit, but I'm sure they could be found.

I posted a collection of p2 patterns for Live Free or Die over several posts which include various oscillators that incorporate some of the wicks which exist in Seeds. I don't think I spent a lot of time searching for fenceposts for any of the wicks other than the "lever wick" but I'm sure they exist. However, it's very possible that they won't be small so quite a broad search would be needed to find them. Whether my experience searching in lfod translates to Seeds, I can't say.

I know wls excels at finding p2s; isn't there a setting to have it search rules other than Life?

There certainly is and it would be the tool to use, though Nicolay Beluchenko's version might be more suitable because it will prune the search branches which explore the depths of all possible combinations of the p2 checker.

[muzik]

What speeds are known in Seeds? Can someone compile a stamp collection?

[Rhombic]

I don't understand how it's impossible. I'm pretty sure a wick can move at c/2 in seeds.

He said 2c.

[BlinkerSpawn]

What speeds are known in Seeds? Can someone compile a stamp collection?

Somebody already has:

Jason Summers has a pattern collection on his website which includes some oscillator collections.

[drc]

I don't understand how it's impossible. I'm pretty sure a wick can move at c/2 in seeds.

He said 2c.

Even then, I think he meant something like this:

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x = 197, y = 3, rule = B2/S0
o5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo
5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo
5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo!

[muzik]

This anchor puffer is probably known

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B2/S
3bo$bo2bo$obo3bo$bo4bo$5bo!

[wwei23]

How do I get rid of the debris?
x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!

[Kiran]

How do I get rid of the debris?
x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!

Use code tags for rle format, this allows use of the viewer.

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x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!

[wwei23]

P10, anyone?

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x = 17, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o7bo7bo$o7bo7bo$o7bo7bo!

[Naszvadi]

P10, anyone?

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x = 17, y = 3, rule = B2/S
notorious no-thoroidal

Did you mean this?

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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B2/S:T24,11
4$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo!

[wwei23]

P10, anyone?

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x = 17, y = 3, rule = B2/S
notorious no-thoroidal

Did you mean this?

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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B2/S:T24,11
4$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo!

Yes.

[wwei23]

Garden of Eden:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2/S
2o$3o$3o!

Proof:
Because in this generation these cells are on, they must be off the generation before, as they cannot survive:

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Generation 0:
▓▓░
▓▓▓
▓▓▓

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Generation -1:
░░?
░X░
░░░

But cell X must be on in generation 0, but it can only get one on neighbor, the question mark, therefore, this pattern has no predecessors.
Also, some one-time converters:

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x = 14, y = 13, rule = B2/S
bo9bo$o9bo9$b2o8b2o$3bo$o9bo2bo!

Antolopeship, anyone?

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x = 11, y = 5, rule = B2/S
10bo$9bo$9bo$bo8bo$o!

Splitter:

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x = 12, y = 5, rule = B2/S
11bo$9bo$9bo$bo8bo$o!

Puffer:

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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B2/S
b2o7b2o$o11bo$3bo5bo$4b2ob2o$4bo3bo!

Ibissship, anyone?

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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2/S
4bo$5bo3$b2o$o2bo!

[muzik]

This seems to remain aperiidic for well over a million gens:

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2/S:T16,16
2bo$2o!

eventually apgsearching this rule on a torus does not seem like a good time.

[2718281828]

A push reaction:

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x = 25, y = 28, rule = B2/S
8$13bo$14bo3$10bo6bo$9bobo6bo$10bo$10bo2bo$10b3obo$8bo4bo$9bo!