## Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) completed!

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chris_c
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote: How much construction difficulty might we want to deal with, to keep the circuitry down to a reasonable size? We're building two eater2s already, so maybe another one wouldn't be so bad.
There's a variant of the eater weld in NW41T357 available on Catagolue. Call me mad but I actually think this is the best option for a 153 tick design at the moment:

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Only blocks lie on the construction lanes and the stuff that would need to be built nearby is scary but not completely impossible.
dvgrn wrote:If we do go back to semi-Snarks, is there a geometry that allows only one semi-Snark instead of two? Or we have Spartan G0 emitters that could get past one semi-Snark with no loss of data... but then we're back to a much higher repeat time again. Drat, bother, and humbug.
I had a look but couldn't find anything good. I came up with this but it is pretty much useless: even though the Herschel gets sent on quite a long path, the glider is still over 100 ticks too slow. Also the patterns would overlap when translated by 65fd.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

chris_c wrote:There's a variant of the eater weld in NW41T357 available on Catagolue. Call me mad but I actually think this is the best option for a 153 tick design at the moment...
Hmm, another thing to think about. I did come up with an option that would let us re-use most of the same construction and destruction recipes four times, and keep all the current construction-lane mechanisms already developed:

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I tried a different dependent conduit above, but it looks like it doesn't help anything on the power-of-two front. Might as well just adapt the current self-destruct circuit, if we decide to use this particular crazy idea.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote:Hmm, another thing to think about. I did come up with an option that would let us re-use most of the same construction and destruction recipes four times, and keep all the current construction-lane mechanisms already developed:
Can't we just dispose of the NW reflectors and use semi-snarks instead?

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What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

calcyman wrote:Can't we just dispose of the NW reflectors and use semi-snarks instead?
Well, yes, but at the cost of cutting the signal density in half. Also the ugly signal crossing on the construction arm would mean losing a large fraction of known elbow operations -- I haven't checked how many exactly -- because of the 37-tick forbidden zone where the A-circuit glider casts a shadow on the B lane.

We could compromise, I suppose, and use one semi-Snark but dodge the signal crossing:

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I added an F117 to Circuit A, because otherwise the Circuit B H-to-G would have to be built on top of the construction lanes. It's the only Spartan NE output we have, I think, and the eaters are painfully tightly packed -- not a construction problem I really want to think about solving. I think the F117 will probably end up being a lot cheaper, and certainly easier.

The 72-lane separation at left is a little more Golly-compatible than the worst-possible 65-lane spacing on the right, but neither one allows a spaceship with a power-of-two period. The 72-lane offset comes with a minor cost -- the minimum repeat time goes up to 158 instead of 153, so glider pairs could be packed as close as 316 ticks apart.

That's not so bad, especially since there would always be plenty of space for adjustment on the A side.

On the other hand, if we're going to all the trouble of building syringes, it seems as if we ought to try to keep the signal packing as dense as possible.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

Here is a variant of Calcyman's two semi-snark design with repeat time 115 (or 230 ticks per glider pair):

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x = 250, y = 245, rule = LifeHistory
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58.B3A182.4B\$59.A2B183.3BA\$60.A185.B2AB\$247.ABA!
Here is a variant of the dvgrn's one-semi snark variant. I think it is slightly cheaper and the eaters are just away from the construction lane. Repeat time is 2 * 155:

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x = 175, y = 257, rule = LifeHistory
139.4B\$138.4B\$137.4B\$136.4B\$135.4B\$134.4B6.B\$133.4B6.2B\$132.4B6.3B\$
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2AB.8B\$30.10B\$30.6B2A3B\$30.6B2A2B5.2A\$30.10B5.A\$29.11B2.BA.A\$29.12B.B
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4B\$32.6B5.4B\$34.4B6.4B\$36.3BA5.4B\$37.BA.A5.4B\$38.A.A6.4B\$39.A8.4B\$40.
3A6.4B\$42.A7.4B\$51.4B\$52.4B\$53.4B\$54.4B\$55.2B2C\$56.BCBC\$57.CB!
I have tried to estimate the costs and list pros and cons for four of the designs so far. I am counting the Eater2 + Beehive-with-tail as costing 9SL and I am estimating the construction time as SL count * (minimum repeat time + 100). Obviously this is very debatable. For example, I have ignored destruction and I haven't attempted to quantify things like the loss of singleton gliders or 37-tick dead zones. Here goes:

Two semi-snark deisgn

SL = (20 + 9) * 2 = 58
Min. Repeat = 230

Construction Time = 58 * 330 = 19140

Pros

Smallest number of SLs

Allows singleton gliders.

Probably allows the same destruction method for both circuits.

Cons

Every other glider is a reset glider so population doubles.

Two gliders from NE constructor cross the inner construction lane
causing dead zone of 37 impossible glider pairs.

One eater, three blocks and one boat are on the construction lanes.

One semi-snark deisgn

SL = 25 + 20 + 9 * 2 = 63
Min. Repeat = 2 * 155 = 310

Construction time = 63 * 410 = 25830

Pros

Allows singleton gliders

Only one block obstructs the construction lanes. Eaters are close but
just away.

Cons

One third of gliders are reset gliders so population increases by 50%.

NW31 + NW41

SL = (15 + 9) * 2 + 3 + 15 = 66
Min. Repeat = 153

Construction Time = 66 * 253 = 16698

Pros

No extra gliders.

Allows singleton gliders.

Seems fast if it is actually possible to build.

Cons

The NW41 looks scary to build and would need a different destruction method.

Semi-snark trombone method

SL = 43 + 9 = 52
Min. Repeat = 629

Construction Time = 729 * 52 = 37908

Pros

Simplest design.

Only one destruction to do.

Minimum spaceship period should be roughly equal to construction time
since there is no pass-through phase.

Cons

Singleton gliders not possible.

Every other glider is a reset glider so population doubles.

Repeat time is quite low. Not as cool.

chris_c
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

The seed for the eater weld I mentioned can be reduced to 7 blocks and one 180 degree glider:

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x = 73, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
44.4B6.4B\$43.4B6.4B\$42.4B6.4B\$41.4B6.4B\$40.4B6.4B17.C\$39.4B6.4B17.C\$
38.4B6.4B18.3C\$37.4B6.4B\$36.4B6.4B\$35.4B6.4B\$34.4B6.4B\$33.4B6.4B\$32.
4B6.4B\$31.4B6.4B\$30.4B6.4B\$29.4B6.4B8.2C\$28.4B6.4B9.2C\$27.4B6.4B\$26.
4B6.4B\$25.4B6.4B\$24.4B6.4B11.2C\$23.4B6.4B12.2C\$22.4B6.4B\$21.4B6.4B\$
20.4B6.4B\$19.4B6.4B\$18.4B6.4B24.2C\$17.4B6.4B25.2C\$16.4B6.4B4.2C\$15.4B
6.4B5.2C\$14.4B6.4B\$13.4B6.4B\$12.4B6.4B14.2C\$11.4B6.4B15.2C\$10.4B6.4B\$
9.4B6.4B\$8.4B6.4B8.2C\$7.4B6.4B9.2C\$6.4B6.4B\$5.4B6.4B\$4.4B6.4B20.2C\$3.
4B6.4B21.2C\$2.4B6.4B\$.4B6.4B\$4B6.4B!
Furthermore, all of those blocks can be built directly from the elbow without any slow salvo operations:

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x = 2698, y = 968, rule = LifeHistory
2696.2E\$2477.2A217.2E\$2477.2A\$2470.4B6.4B\$2469.4B6.4B\$2468.4B6.4B\$
2467.4B6.4B\$2466.4B6.4B\$2465.4B6.4B\$2464.4B6.4B\$2463.4B6.4B\$2235.4B6.
4B213.4B6.4B\$628.4B6.4B1592.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B\$627.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.
4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$626.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B
204.4B6.4B\$625.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$624.4B
6.4B642.4B6.4B936.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$623.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.
4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$622.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.4B.2A3.4B213.4B6.
4B204.4B6.4B\$621.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.4B2.2A2.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$
620.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B936.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$619.4B6.4B642.4B6.
4B936.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$618.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B585.4B6.4B337.4B
6.4B213.4B6.4B8.2D194.4B6.4B\$617.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B585.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B
213.4B6.4B9.2D193.4B6.4B\$616.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B585.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.
4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$615.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B585.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B
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4B\$613.4B6.4B642.4B6.4B585.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B11.2C191.4B6.4B\$
612.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B585.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B12.2C190.
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4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B9.2C\$610.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B
221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B8.2D203.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$609.4B6.4B8.2D355.4B6.4B
263.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B9.2D202.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$608.
4B6.4B9.2D354.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B8.2D340.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.
4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$607.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B2.2A2.4B9.2D339.4B6.4B221.
4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B24.2C178.4B6.4B11.2C\$606.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B
263.4B3.2A.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B25.2C177.4B6.4B
12.2C\$605.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B11.
2D200.4B6.4B4.2C198.4B6.4B\$604.4B6.4B11.2D352.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B350.4B
6.4B221.4B2.2A2.4B337.4B6.4B12.2D199.4B6.4B5.2C197.4B6.4B\$603.4B6.4B
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4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$601.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B350.4B
6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B14.2C188.4B6.4B24.2C\$600.4B6.4B365.
4B6.4B263.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B15.2C187.4B6.
4B25.2C\$599.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B8.2D327.4B
6.4B24.2C187.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B4.2C\$598.4B6.4B24.2D339.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B
350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B9.2D326.4B6.4B25.2C186.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B5.2C\$597.
4B6.4B25.2D338.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B24.2D324.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B4.
2C207.4B6.4B8.2C194.4B6.4B\$596.4B6.4B4.2D359.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B25.2D
323.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B5.2C206.4B6.4B9.2C193.4B6.4B\$595.4B.2A
3.4B5.2D358.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B4.2D344.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B
6.4B204.4B6.4B14.2C\$594.4B2.2A2.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B5.2D343.4B6.4B
221.4B6.4B11.2D324.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B15.2C\$593.4B6.4B365.4B.
2A3.4B8.2D253.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B12.2D323.4B6.4B14.2C197.4B6.
4B20.2C182.4B6.4B\$592.4B6.4B14.2D349.4B2.2A2.4B9.2D252.4B6.4B350.4B6.
4B8.2D211.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B15.2C196.4B6.4B21.2C181.4B6.4B\$591.4B6.4B
15.2D348.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B14.2D334.4B.2A3.4B9.2D210.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B
213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B8.2C\$590.4B6.4B365.4B6.4B263.4B6.4B15.2D333.4B2.
2A2.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B213.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B9.2C\$589.4B6.4B365.4B6.
4B263.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B337.4B6.4B8.2C203.4B6.4B204.4B6.4B\$
588.4B6.4B8.2D355.4B6.4B11.2D250.4B6.4B350.4B6.4B221.4B6.4B24.2C311.
4B6.4B9.2C420.4B6.4B\$587.4B6.4B9.2D354.4B6.4B12.2D249.4B6.4B8.2C340.
4B6.4B11.2D208.4B6.4B25.2C310.4B6.4B431.4B6.4B20.2C\$586.4B6.4B365.4B
6.4B263.4B6.4B9.2C339.4B6.4B12.2D207.4B6.4B4.2D331.4B6.4B431.4B6.4B
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There is a single leftover block in the 4th construction. I haven't worked out the best thing to do with it yet but it surely can be killed or turned back into an elbow somehow.

EDIT: Added a recipe for a 180 degree glider on lane 26 to the second pattern.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

chris_c wrote:Here is a variant of the dvgrn's one-semi snark variant. I think it is slightly cheaper and the eaters are just away from the construction lane. Repeat time is 2 * 155...
Circuit B is misaligned by one cell diagonally -- the eaters actually have a little more clearance than what is shown. All in all that design looks pretty good.

The NW31 + NW41 seems to me to be the closest competition for Semi-Snark One. I'm looking specifically at this version:

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x = 185, y = 190, rule = LifeHistory
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The two eaters in the construction lanes are the annoying part, but they both have lots of empty space available on the other side of the construction lanes -- so an eater seed really wouldn't be very expensive, if it has enough clearance.

The eaters could both be built by colliding two gliders, if necessary, so I think the total cost for dropping both of them into place with a synchronized seed can't really be more than 12-15sL. Say 20-25sL to be conservative, if we deal with the block and beehive as part of the same seed, and wire it all up to one trigger glider. That might not be too painful, considering that it lets us more than double the signal density.

I noticed that the NW31 + NW41 could be patched to produce a fairly nice spatial offset -- 96 = 2^5 * 3 -- by adding an F116 conduit. That would cut the number of large hashtiles down to something reasonable, if only the temporal offset could be adjusted to a power of two. Sadly, it's still inevitably 8 mod 16 (because 116 = 4 mod 16, and there are four reflectors to get through.)

Sour grapes -- the required form of the F116 isn't Spartan anyway.

I'm really going to have to get at least the Spartan library for Hersrch updated pretty soon -- it's hard to tell any more what the most efficient power-of-two Demonoid design might be. Does anyone have any likely candidates?
chris_c wrote:I have tried to estimate the costs and list pros and cons for four of the designs so far. I am counting the Eater2 + Beehive-with-tail as costing 9SL and I am estimating the construction time as SL count * (minimum repeat time + 100). Obviously this is very debatable. For example, I have ignored destruction and I haven't attempted to quantify things like the loss of singleton gliders or 37-tick dead zones.
As a very rough estimate, I think the no-singleton, yes-dead-zone option will be about twice as expensive -- you have to throw away an awful lot of useful recipes. It will be good to come up with a compiler script with a decent algorithm, so that it's possible to compile the same slow salvo with different recipe libraries and see what the relative costs really are.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote: The NW31 + NW41 seems to me to be the closest competition for Semi-Snark One. I'm looking specifically at this version.
Well I'm starting to like the one with the non-spartan eater weld more and more. The junk from the Catagolue seed can be turned into the necessary block in just 4 reverse gliders:

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x = 155, y = 117, rule = LifeHistory
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All of the other still lifes look easy by comparison:

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x = 76, y = 49, rule = LifeHistory
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

chris_c wrote:Well I'm starting to like the one with the non-spartan eater weld more and more. The junk from the Catagolue seed can be turned into the necessary block in just 4 reverse gliders...
Ah, sorry, I picked the wrong version. So the full template looks like this:

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x = 185, y = 190, rule = LifeHistory
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Only 45 still lifes. It still has that R64 signal crossing, though, increasing the recovery time to 153, which is a fairly significant increase over 115. Technically it might be possible to lower the minimum to 90, if an Lx200 is used after the Snark instead of an F166 -- but not with that NW41 attached; its recovery time is 143 anyway.

What if we try a variant that keeps a very fast recovery time, and also allows a power-of-two Demonoid? 50% more still lifes and a base signal rate of 128 (instead of 256, presumably) might still allow a smaller faster spaceship, not even counting the hope that Golly can run away with power-of-two Demonoids, but will probably garbage-collect a lot with any other period.

It would be something like this, hopefully a lot smaller, with fast H-to-Gs (maybe just two NW31s) attached in two different ways ten lanes apart:

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x = 551, y = 402, rule = LifeHistory
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I've set up a Hersrch batch file that generates power-of-two-compatible tracks. So now the problem is just that Hersrch doesn't know about half of the Spartan conduits that are available these days.

We'll see if I can summon enough ambition to register a few dozen new conduit variations and re-run Hersrch. Otherwise, the NW31+NW41 is looking like a fairly clear winner so far.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

I hadn't thought of applying the new ambidextrous Spartan transceiver to this problem. It's not an improvement yet, I think, but it seems as if this approach might make a power-of-two Demonoid a little simpler. Self-destruct circuits should be easy to re-use, anyway.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote:If we do go back to semi-Snarks, is there a geometry that allows only one semi-Snark instead of two? Or we have Spartan G0 emitters that could get past one semi-Snark with no loss of data... but then we're back to a much higher repeat time again. Drat, bother, and humbug.
I apologize in advance if this is a stupid suggestion, but could you use a G4/G5 emitter with a loaf semi-Snark?

(I would try and contribute a bit more, but I barely understand what's going on in this thread...still need to get my Life chops up)
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

thunk wrote:... could you use a G4/G5 emitter with a loaf semi-Snark?
You could indeed -- good idea! It could be a slow and completely Spartan design that allows singleton gliders but has a 37-tick dead zone --

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Or we could avoid the dead zone by adding one eater2 to Circuit A, but we'd still be stuck with the unfortunately slow 325-tick repeat time for that G4 signal splitter:

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x = 590, y = 415, rule = LifeHistory
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No doubt there's a smaller solution for Circuit A -- I just wanted to get a sample working.

Or we could add a few more syringes to solve the problem with the 325-tick repeat time, but I don't see yet how that will be competitive with existing models.
thunk wrote:(I would try and contribute a bit more, but I barely understand what's going on in this thread...still need to get my Life chops up)
Not to worry, self-constructing circuitry takes a while to get used to. It's kind of a crazy sub-specialty, so be careful about getting mixed up with it... sure is fun to watch when something finally works, though!

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

Hmm, this Transceiver-Syringe model doesn't seem so bad:

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x = 411, y = 318, rule = LifeHistory
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EDIT:
Transceiver-Syringe

SL = (22 + (19 + 9)) * 2 = 100
Min. Repeat = 153

Construction Time = 100 * 253 = 25300

Pros

No extra gliders.

Allows singleton gliders.

Can use a slight modification of the self-destruct circuit already created.

Can use same self-destruct for Circuit A and Circuit B.

Cons

Too many still lifes. Still not power-of-two compatible.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote: We'll see if I can summon enough ambition to register a few dozen new conduit variations and re-run Hersrch. Otherwise, the NW31+NW41 is looking like a fairly clear winner so far.
It will be interesting to see what an updated Hersrch can come up with but if the NW41 remains the best option then it turns out that the B-circuit will still be transparent enough to allow a cleanup of the A-blocker with 5 gliders:

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x = 252, y = 280, rule = LifeHistory
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That means we can still use the old destruction method on the A-circuit. The destruction method for the B-circuit should try to keep the following in mind:

1. Try to keep enough glider lanes open to allow deletion of the A-blocker as above. You can afford to shut off some lanes but not all of them. For example there is a 12 glider cleanup that requires just two open lanes.

2. Try to place the adjustable eater in the NW41 in a place that is as nice to build as possible.

3. Don't do anything sadistic such as placing still lifes both behind the eater weld and its construction envelope:

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

I'm sorry if I'm repeating, but I think an option to halve the amount of stable circuitry by introducing a p120 "carrier" glider stream emitted by a Simkin glider gun hasn't been assessed in this thread yet.
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

codeholic wrote:I'm sorry if I'm repeating, but I think an option to halve the amount of stable circuitry by introducing a p120 "carrier" glider stream emitted by a Simkin glider gun hasn't been assessed in this thread yet.
Yes, good idea. Something like this has the smallest number of still lifes seen so far and shoots a glider pair every 240 ticks:

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The question is does this outweigh the possible disadvantages? These include but may not be limited to:
• It can only fire singleton gliders on the outer lane.
• Gliders on the outer lane are always the same phase.
• An inner glider can only be 87 ticks (= 240 - 153) ahead of the previous inner-glider relative to its carrier glider.
• Can only allow reactions at the elbow that settle in less than 240 ticks. Probably lower than that even.
Needs quite a bit of research to find out the answer.

EDIT: Meant phase not period in point 2

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

chris_c wrote:Can only allow reactions at the elbow that settle in less than 240 ticks. Probably lower than that even.
Technically it would be possible to do searches for recipes that depend on another glider coming in at exactly 240 ticks, and/or recipes that require gliders to follow each other on the non-carrier lane with a specific separation. That might actually make up for the lack of singleton gliders on one lane.

... Oddly enough, we could equally well do the same thing for the current stable designs. It looks as if we could make circuitry with a repeat time of 90. Then it would be okay to allow multiple synchronized glider pairs in a single recipe, with any spacing greater than 90.

It's fairly common for reactions to take more than 90 ticks to settle. Given that the timing of each glider pair would suddenly matter, as well as the relative timing of the two gliders, that would increase the search space by a huge amount.

Granted, the reactions that take a long time to settle are mostly the hopeless explosions, so maybe there wouldn't be that many new recipes. It would be interesting to see if anything good showed up, though. For example, reactions that return a glider on a kickback lane for Lane A or Lane B could be arranged to throw a glider back into the reaction, on a lane that isn't otherwise available.
chris_c wrote:Needs quite a bit of research to find out the answer.
Yes, there's really no way to find out which construction method will be most efficient, short of building them all and solving all the problems that come up.

I'm pretty happy with the NW31 + NW41 for now -- chris_c seems to have solved all the really painful switching and construction problems. So now it's just a matter of adjusting the self-destruct circuitry and then starting to put together a decent slow-salvo recipe for the whole combined constellation.

If anyone wants to work out the remaining problems with a p120 or p240 carrier signal, that would be great... but I think for now I'll focus on making a NW31 + NW41 Demonoid that can actually fly.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote:I'm pretty happy with the NW31 + NW41 for now -- chris_c seems to have solved all the really painful switching and construction problems... I think for now I'll focus on making a NW31 + NW41 Demonoid that can actually fly.
Okay, have I missed anything important? Here's a new candidate Seeds of Destruction puzzle, for Circuit A and Circuit B both at once.

Only seven still lifes have to be cleaned up, so there's really not much left to do... until someone rebuilds the common self-destruct circuitry completely. It's probably a good idea to get rid of that silly leftover blinker that has to be shot down, for example.

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I haven't figured out where to put the NW41 adjustable eater yet, so it's off by itself maybe more than is convenient for self-destruct purposes. Might be worth picking it off with a turned glider from the southwest.

Here's a sample completion, just for purposes of discussion -- definitely not a final solution:

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x = 254, y = 251, rule = LifeHistory
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There's an expensive five-still-life constellation on the west side that definitely needs to be replaced.

Is there a reason to do the final NW41 cleanup in some cleverer way? Is it likely to be much more difficult to build the eater and block on the other side of the construction lane, if those two extra blocks have to be built also? I think 180-degree elbow trickery will be able to help quite a bit with those constructions.

I guess it would be a good idea next to build a longer chain of these things, and carefully walk through what will happen with the A-blocker and B-blocker, to see if this kind of cleanup violates any constraints.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

More silly ideas: it would work fine to have Circuit A self-destruction also take out parts of Circuit B -- just not the other way around.

The following minor rewiring shows an example of this, saving the welded eater for an extra cycle. It also puts the Circuit B NW41's adjustable glider in a place where it gets cleaned up for free by Circuit A's self-destruction. Not sure that that will be a really convenient place for construction, but it looks like it shouldn't be too bad.

The four boats near the R64s build a couple of useful gliders. If those gliders aren't needed, the boats can be cleanly removed. It's nice to have these kinds of not-too-expensive optional add-ons available.

Alternate Seeds of Destruction puzzle for the last half of the Circuit B NW41:

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x = 460, y = 424, rule = LifeHistory
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EDIT: Trial completion for this puzzle, using a total of 54 bait still lifes. Used chris_c's two-block glider offset trick to clean up the far-edge NW41 block and eater. I suspect the resulting constellation will be fairly easy to construct, since both 90-degree and 180-degree elbow operations will be available

There's an extra block added to the southwest of the NW41 on Lane A. I don't think that will be difficult to place, but haven't gone back too look yet. If it's too close to the block in the NW41, then maybe it's worth adding some other mechanism to deal with those blocks.

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x = 460, y = 486, rule = LifeHistory
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54 baits to clean up 46 catalysts... that adds up to a nice round number, but it's woefully short of the 1:1 ratio that we used to think was a good goal. Anybody have a better candidate cleanup method?

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

Wouldn't it be more effective to clean up still lifes, at least those close to the construction lanes with 180-degrees elbow reactions? I think plenty of them were found by Michael Simkin.
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

codeholic wrote:Wouldn't it be more effective to clean up still lifes, at least those close to the construction lanes with 180-degrees elbow reactions? I think plenty of them were found by Michael Simkin.
I think those searches were done by chris_c -- but yes, there seem to be plenty of options.

However, I think they're not quite as efficient as they might seem. The problem is that if you're cleaning up an old dead Demonoid, there must necessarily be an active live Demonoid (or its self-destruct circuitry) in a direct diagonal line between the 180-elbow source and the target to be destroyed.

In some cases it might still be worth using that method. The latest sample I posted produces one glider using chris_c's two-block offset trick, which requires constructing the two blocks plus two 180-elbow gliders. There might be something slightly more efficient that needs only two still lifes and one glider, but that will take some searching to find.

Maybe it's a good idea to modify the old utterly arbitrary metric to decide which circuit/cleanup combination is "best". The old ratings went by ON cells, and I think the minimum number of ON cells was 438 for a one-glider self-destruct trigger, or 397 ON cells for an 8G trigger -- including the catalysts, the bait still lifes, and the cells in the trigger gliders.

The latest seeded-for-destruction Demonoid circuit is 564 ON cells, but it has a repeat time of 153 instead of 497. So maybe the new metric should be (repeat time * population). I think the latest model would be a clear winner so far, with a score of 153*564 = 86292.

EDIT: Alternate alternate -- just realized that the glider-offset trick can trivially be done with the same number of still lifes (3) with maybe slightly better separation, though that's arguable... and only one 180-elbow glider:

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Down to 153*561 = 85833 now. There's certainly still a lot of room for improvement...!

chris_c
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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote:Trial completion for this puzzle, using a total of 54 bait still lifes.
I don't see any issues with this pattern (or any of the others you posted). Moving the eater in the NW41 near to the A-circuit is a nice trick. That glider lane doesn't interfere with the B-blocker so I see no problems there.
dvgrn wrote:Used chris_c's two-block glider offset trick to clean up the far-edge NW41 block and eater. I suspect the resulting constellation will be fairly easy to construct, since both 90-degree and 180-degree elbow operations will be available.
Did you see this post where I constructed the two block constellation in a junk loaf + 6 gliders? It's in the third code block.
dvgrn wrote:There's an extra block added to the southwest of the NW41 on Lane A. I don't think that will be difficult to place, but haven't gone back too look yet. If it's too close to the block in the NW41, then maybe it's worth adding some other mechanism to deal with those blocks.
Should be fine. I will fire up a hacked version of the 10hd search code if this ends up being the chosen method.
dvgrn wrote:54 baits to clean up 46 catalysts... that adds up to a nice round number, but it's woefully short of the 1:1 ratio that we used to think was a good goal. Anybody have a better candidate cleanup method?
Well there are 12 still lifes that could be deleted if there wasn't the need to send the destruction glider back down to the other end of the spaceship with the right timing. If someone can find a clean up for both circuits that begins with one SE glider near to the northern end of the pattern then it will only cost one boat and one reverse glider to trigger. There would be no need for the two-block offsetter trick because a boat in that location can be built by the previous UC:

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dvgrn wrote:The latest sample I posted produces one glider using chris_c's two-block offset trick, which requires constructing the two blocks plus two 180-elbow gliders. There might be something slightly more efficient that needs only two still lifes and one glider, but that will take some searching to find.
Using an eater to do the reflection instead of a boat would mean you only need a 1hd lane-changer instead of 6hd. I'm sure it would be easy to find a clean seed in this case but seeing as the two-block lane changer is cheap to build anyway I'm not sure it's worth the trouble.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

Very conveniently, there's a 12hd-clearance eater seed among codeholic's results for the linear-propagator project, where the trigger glider is on an open lane through the NW41 converter:

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x = 121, y = 98, rule = LifeHistory
93.10B4.4B5.B\$92.10B4.4B5.B\$91.10B4.4B5.B\$90.10B4.4B5.B\$89.10B4.5B4.B
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10B4.14B\$82.10B4.15B8.2A\$81.10B4.15B9.A\$80.10B4.4B2.12B4.BA.A\$79.10B
4.4B3.15B.B2A\$78.10B4.4B4.17B\$77.10B4.4B5.17B\$76.10B4.4B3.B.17B\$71.B
3.10B4.4B3.2A19B\$70.14B4.4B4.2AB.19B\$70.3B.9B4.4B5.2B4.18B\$70.2B.B.7B
4.4B5.B6.18B\$70.2B.B.6B4.4B5.B7.9B.8B\$70.3B.6B4.4B5.B9.7B2.8B\$69.11B
3.4B5.B10.7B2.8B\$68.13B.4B5.B11.6B4.7B\$67.7B2.9B5.B12.7B\$66.8B.B.7B5.
B13.6B\$65.11B.6B5.B13.7B\$64.12B2.4B5.B15.6B\$63.10B3.6B4.B17.5B\$62.10B
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So a turner could be placed even down in the southwest somewhere, to drop that eater in place after the welded eater construction is done.

The 12hd eater seed doesn't get in the way of the construction of the welded-eater seed, or the trigger glider, or most of the 180-elbow cleanup gliders. Only the last one of those gliders overlaps the boat. Looks like that last glider might possibly be inserted from close range -- the eater seed can be moved northeast to give more room if necessary. (The interaction with the R64 block is harmless and optional.) Or that last glider could be bounced in with a specially constructed boat turner, similar to the one above.

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Here's a new Seeds of Destruction puzzle that reserves space for the above eater seed, and uses chris_c's suggestion in the last post, with a trigger glider coming from the northwest. I think I've blocked off all the problem areas where it would be difficult to build bait still lifes:

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x = 234, y = 342, rule = LifeHistory
203.A\$202.A\$202.3A94\$106.A\$105.A.A\$106.2A10\$139.2B\$138.B2.B\$137.B4.B\$
113.10B4.4B5.B6.B\$112.10B4.4B5.B8.B\$111.10B4.4B5.B10.B\$110.10B4.4B5.B
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B\$86.B\$87.B\$88.B\$89.B\$90.B\$91.B\$92.B\$93.B!
The main thing to remember is that there's some overlap between the bait placement area in the northeast and in the southwest. Wherever you place, say, a boat reflector along the northwest edge, you should stay away from the corresponding region along the southeast edge.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

dvgrn wrote:Very conveniently, there's a 12hd-clearance eater seed among codeholic's results for the linear-propagator project, where the trigger glider is on an open lane through the NW41 converter. So a turner could be placed even down in the southwest somewhere, to drop that eater in place after the welded eater construction is done.
That eater can also be put into place with regular 90-degree slow salvo operations although it does look a bit delicate:

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x = 1414, y = 1495, rule = LifeHistory
.A\$2.A\$3A148\$159.A\$160.A\$158.3A80\$63.A\$64.A\$62.3A66\$301.A\$302.2A\$301.
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1231.4B\$1230.4B!
The recipes are e7M and e7O from this post.

I did some more searching for blocks near the construction arm and I am fairly confident that the current test pattern could be built in the following order:

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x = 221, y = 264, rule = LifeHistory
159.22D\$158.D21.D\$157.D22.D\$156.D3.5D15.D\$155.D4.D19.D\$154.D5.D19.D\$
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Phases A, B and D should only require 90 degree gliders. It doesn't have to be set in stone yet but my main point is that all of C can be built after the eater in B and all of E can be built after everything else.

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### Re: Demonoid (diagonal Geminoid) working notes

chris_c wrote:That eater can also be put into place with regular 90-degree slow salvo operations although it does look a bit delicate...
The e7M recipe looks pretty good, really -- the pond gets pretty close, but you just have to be able to generate one more glider at close range after that, and then it's just cleanup.

I'm a little wary of close-range constructions, because I spent a lot of time solving problems where none of the available slow-salvo elbow recipes would quite fit between the eater seeds in the linear replicator, to produce a glider on some key lane. I probably spent more time reworking the mechanism there, than on the entire rest of the recipe.

This looks like it won't be such a big deal, though. We have many more elbow operations available, and also there's clear space on the far side of the construction lanes. Problems seemed to show up mostly just when space was constricted on both sides.
chris_c wrote:Phases A, B and D should only require 90 degree gliders. It doesn't have to be set in stone yet but my main point is that all of C can be built after the eater in B and all of E can be built after everything else.
It does seem to have gotten fairly clean and simple. Think we should go ahead and finish this one? Quick, before something better comes along? As we've discovered in the past, you can wait forever to find the most efficient possible self-destruct circuitry.

It would only be a matter of a few hours to put together a slow-salvo recipe for the A part, even with the rather rudimentary tools I've been using for previous self-constructing patterns. It might be nice to have a proper first-stage compiler, though.

I like the idea of being able to click on the next still life to be constructed, to have a semi-automated compiler script add the shortest available recipe for that object to the recipe. It often makes more sense to construct objects cluster by cluster, instead of the "diagonal scan line" method used by automated compilers so far, which looks kind of wasteful.

But apparently I haven't liked the idea enough to actually write the script, so far.