Catagolue Discussion Thread

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by danny » April 14th, 2019, 4:19 pm

AGreason wrote:Is there any way of determining who it was that contributed the 400 trillionth object?
You'd need to look at the hauls and just keep subtracting. You would need to replace '?committed=2' in the URL with '?committed=all'
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by dvgrn » April 14th, 2019, 6:15 pm

AGreason wrote:Is there any way of determining who it was that contributed the 400 trillionth object?
The rumor on Discord, from testitemqlstudop eight and a half hours ago, is that wildmyron was the one who got to 400 trillion.

At this late date I'm not having much luck retrieving enough information from the haul list to confirm that rumor. All I've figured out so far is that you can get about 100 recent hauls, and committed=all just allows not-yet-verified hauls to be listed also. I guess for the purposes of calculating a particular object number, you'd just have to assume that unverified hauls will in fact be verified eventually.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by testitemqlstudop » April 14th, 2019, 9:24 pm

Yeah, the last three hauls at 400 t 29 g obj were:

rliston, 23 G objects
arie paap, 9 G objects
rliston, 23 G objects

As luck would have it wildmyron's haul was commited first before rliston's. :mrgreen:

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by testitemqlstudop » April 17th, 2019, 6:56 am

Does this break the record for most soup haul?

http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/haul/b3s23/C1/0 ... dfb76683e7

Highlights:
  • E-buckaroo
    Bi-pentadecathlon 1
    3xMWSS-on-MWSS 1
    10 discoveries (1st - 20th occurrence)
Size is 502 KB. Took only 15 days on a google cloud 1-core VM.
With apgluxe getting so so much quicker I've thought of this: Users with the badge "Trillionaire" (or "Gigamyriad", etc.) have a haul limit of 5 MB.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » April 17th, 2019, 8:36 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:Size is 502 KB. Took only 15 days on a google cloud 1-core VM.
With apgluxe getting so so much quicker I've thought of this: Users with the badge "Trillionaire" (or "Gigamyriad", etc.) have a haul limit of 5 MB.
The haul size limit of 1000 KB isn't there arbitrarily for the sake of it; it's because each haul is stored as a single entity in the Google Cloud Datastore, and there's a megabyte limit on the size of Datastore entities.
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Post by testitemqlstudop » April 17th, 2019, 8:44 am

Wouldn't it be more efficient to store all hauls together (in say, a queue) and delete the oldest non-blue hauls?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by testitemqlstudop » April 18th, 2019, 7:28 am

The heck is going on with Catagolue's haul verification and commiting? The last haul in the census is at 8:48 and it's 11:47...

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Post by googoIpIex » April 18th, 2019, 11:50 am

I wonder if your haul has any thing to do with it...
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Post by testitemqlstudop » April 18th, 2019, 8:05 pm

That was committed long ago, it was submitted on the 9th!

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Post by testitemqlstudop » May 7th, 2019, 7:59 am

As G1 is about to pass SS in objects:

G1 already has 6% of the soups of C1.
If you add in thrown-out objects (roughly proportionate), G1 should have around 26 trillion objects.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by muzik » May 7th, 2019, 8:57 am

Will the G and H symmetries ever be listed within the official symmetries, anyway? Or made into their own category?
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Post by testitemqlstudop » May 7th, 2019, 9:03 am

They are already official.

Clarification: You see them for sample soups. However, on the main rule page, they might not be listed.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Ian07 » May 14th, 2019, 7:42 pm

Could these two linear growth syntheses be added to Catagolue? I tried to submit them via the box a while ago but the update process ignored them apparently.

6G Noah's ark:

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x = 23, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
9bobo$10b2o$10bo6bo$16bo$16b3o$20b2o$20bobo$20bo2$o$b2o$2o5$3b2o$2bobo
$4bo2$5b3o$5bo$6bo!
6G yl576_1_246_756156edd5c2c10ac5bc316e7c8f38ef:

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
10bobo$11b2o$11bo6bo$17bo$17b3o$21b2o$21bobo$21bo3$o$b2o$2o5$3b2o$2bob
o$4bo2$5b3o$5bo$6bo!

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Post by rowett » June 7th, 2019, 5:06 am

Catagolue glider synthesis LifeViewer patterns have the following script commands:

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#C [[ GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 THEME Catagolue ]]
The GRIDMAJOR 0 command is not required because it is defined as part of THEME Catagolue.

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Post by testitemqlstudop » June 24th, 2019, 7:22 am

Would it be difficult to modify the daily/monthly statistics (i.e. bar chart) to color-code the amount submitted by each person, i.e. orange for biggest contributor and then more purple/blue slices above.

Also, why isn't there a "Users" page that displays an all-time / monthly / daily ranklist for object contributed?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » July 9th, 2019, 5:09 am

Would unverified non-troll hauls be verified eventually even if they are from anonymous users?
Also, would hauls by anonymous users contributed to unprotected censuses (e.g. my k_Fqfx7YVJhwUf to B38S23 D2_x) be verified sometime?
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Post by Bullet51 » July 10th, 2019, 11:46 pm

GUYTU6J wrote:Would unverified non-troll hauls be verified eventually even if they are from anonymous users?
Also, would hauls by anonymous users contributed to unprotected censuses (e.g. my k_Fqfx7YVJhwUf to B38S23 D2_x) be verified sometime?
These are my cases since I'm unable to make a google account.
I'm wondering, how did you managed to upload hauls to catagolue given that you are unable to make a google account?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » July 11th, 2019, 12:29 am

Bullet51 wrote: I'm wondering, how did you managed to upload hauls to catagolue given that you are unable to make a google account?
Uploading can be done automatically (and anonymously) with apgluxe and VPN (for connection).
I'm sure my hauls are uploaded successfully.It's just that they aren't verified.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by wildmyron » July 11th, 2019, 3:37 am

Hmm, I'm not sure what the new rules are for anonymous hauls to unprotected cenuses, but there are no hauls, unverified or otherwise, recently submitted to https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b38s23/D2_x . Does apgsearch give output on the console indicating that the haul was successfully submitted? Also, have you attempted to submit anonymous hauls to b3s23/C1 just to check that everything is working?

I suspect that anonymous hauls to protected censuses can only be verified by registered users, and most of the protected censuses don't see much activity since Carybe. So if nobody else is contributing to that census, then anonymous hauls will remain unverified.

And I suspect that for unprotected censuses, anonymous hauls have been disabled completely due to the recent Catagolue vandalism. If that is the case, then Catagolue should respond with a message accordingly which should be displayed in the console.

I have just done a verification run of the official symmetries in b3s23, and there were a few anonymous hauls which have now been verified. They were in C2_4, C2_2, D2_x, D8_4, and D4_x4. Perhaps they were yours? If you do submit further hauls to a protected census which no-one else is contributing to, then feel free to request someone to verify them. I am happy for you to send me a message directly, either here or on discord (if that works).

P.S. If a VPN allows accessing catagolue.appspot.com, then could it not also be used to create and log in with a Google account?

Edit: I've also verified three anonymous hauls in b38s23/C1
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » July 11th, 2019, 5:40 am

wildmyron wrote:Hmm, I'm not sure what the new rules are for anonymous hauls to unprotected cenuses, but there are no hauls, unverified or otherwise, recently submitted to https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b38s23/D2_x . Does apgsearch give output on the console indicating that the haul was successfully submitted?
It said something like "authenication succeeded; anonymous users may only contribute to protected censuses".I dunno.On the census page of Catagolue, there is a "b38s23/D2_x (2019-07-10 16:31:21)" in the "Recently updated" section.
wildmyron wrote:Also, have you attempted to submit anonymous hauls to b3s23/C1 just to check that everything is working?
I remember I haven't.
wildmyron wrote:I have just done a verification run of the official symmetries in b3s23, and there were a few anonymous hauls which have now been verified. They were in C2_4, C2_2, D2_x, D8_4, and D4_x4. Perhaps they were yours?

Yes, my hauls are checked in.Thanks!
wildmyron wrote:If you do submit further hauls to a protected census which no-one else is contributing to, then feel free to request someone to verify them. I am happy for you to send me a message directly, either here or on discord (if that works).
It's very kind of you.
wildmyron wrote:P.S. If a VPN allows accessing catagolue.appspot.com, then could it not also be used to create and log in with a Google account?
No.I made an attempt to register one, only to found it unable to send a verification message to my mobile phone.
wildmyron wrote:I've also verified three anonymous hauls in b38s23/C1
Not mine.
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Post by danny » July 11th, 2019, 1:43 pm

Maybe ask Adam to make you a payosha key?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Bullet51 » July 12th, 2019, 10:06 am

GUYTU6J wrote: No.I made an attempt to register one, only to found it unable to send a verification message to my mobile phone.
Maybe try this?
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Post by Moosey » July 12th, 2019, 10:16 am

If it helps, I sent you that PM message.
Make sure to check your PM inbox.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Ian07 » July 12th, 2019, 4:07 pm

The alignment of the sample soup links is now skewed: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp15_4r4z4r4/b3s23

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Post by dvgrn » July 12th, 2019, 5:34 pm

Ian07 wrote:The alignment of the sample soup links is now skewed: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp15_4r4z4r4/b3s23
Offhand don't see any skewed alignment in that URL. (?)

But thank you for linking to that page, anyway.

There's a completed period-2^86243-1 oscillator at the bottom, buried in the comments.

... Why?

I hadn't heard that anyone had cobbled one of those together, but then I haven't been in the habit of checking every random Catagolue comment page, just in case someone has posted an unrelated record-breaking pattern there.

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