Catagolue Discussion Thread

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » December 23rd, 2019, 11:22 pm

I've modified Catagolue in commit d48d48ba to do the sensible thing. This census should now accumulate 100 new hauls per hour until the queue is exhausted:

https://gol.hatsya.co.uk/census/b2c3aei ... jkq6c7c/C1
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by muzik » December 26th, 2019, 4:32 pm

Had a merge request open for a couple of days in case you haven't noticed it yet.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » January 6th, 2020, 7:20 am

Can I deposit my searchRule-matchPatt2.py results into catagolue?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » February 23rd, 2020, 4:06 am

How do I search soups like 64x64, 256x256 or 6x6 stateinvestigator?
Bx222 IS MY WORST ENEMY.

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B3-kq4ej5i6ckn7e/S2-i34q6a7
B3-kq4ej5y6c/S2-i34q5e
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Bullet51 » March 22nd, 2020, 11:22 pm

Is it possible for one to specify a search pattern, where a cell being either alive, dead, or don't-care, and get all the patterns matching the specification?

For example one could specify

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oo.o..
oo.ooo
......
oo.oo?
.o.o??
.o.???
to search for eater 2 variants.

This would be greatly useful for the study of synthesis.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Ian07 » April 1st, 2020, 9:48 am

Rules directory gives an error.

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Error: Server Error
The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.

Please try again in 30 seconds.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by gameoflifemaniac » April 2nd, 2020, 6:17 am

Why isn't Rob's p16 included in the census?
I was so socially awkward in the past and it will haunt me for the rest of my life.

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b4o25bo$o29bo$b3o3b3o2bob2o2bob2o2bo3bobo$4bobo3bob2o2bob2o2bobo3bobo$
4bobo3bobo5bo5bo3bobo$o3bobo3bobo5bo6b4o$b3o3b3o2bo5bo9bobo$24b4o!

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » April 2nd, 2020, 7:33 am

gameoflifemaniac wrote:
April 2nd, 2020, 6:17 am
Why isn't Rob's p16 included in the census?
It's in b3s23/G1 rather than b3s23/C1.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by gameoflifemaniac » April 2nd, 2020, 7:50 am

calcyman wrote:
April 2nd, 2020, 7:33 am
gameoflifemaniac wrote:
April 2nd, 2020, 6:17 am
Why isn't Rob's p16 included in the census?
It's in b3s23/G1 rather than b3s23/C1.
Oh
I was so socially awkward in the past and it will haunt me for the rest of my life.

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b4o25bo$o29bo$b3o3b3o2bob2o2bob2o2bo3bobo$4bobo3bob2o2bob2o2bobo3bobo$
4bobo3bobo5bo5bo3bobo$o3bobo3bobo5bo6b4o$b3o3b3o2bo5bo9bobo$24b4o!

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » April 3rd, 2020, 2:24 am

What is wrong with this(apgmera, where can I post it?)
9B46E85B-B4E6-466F-A681-DB0499036D49.png
9B46E85B-B4E6-466F-A681-DB0499036D49.png (6.57 KiB) Viewed 9061 times
Rule modifier

B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k
b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8
B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8
B3-kq4z5e7c8/S2-ci3-a4ciq5ek6eik7

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Saka » April 3rd, 2020, 2:28 am

yujh wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 2:24 am
What is wrong with this(apgmera, where can I post it?)
9B46E85B-B4E6-466F-A681-DB0499036D49.png
It looks like you dont have LifeLib installed, I think.
As for where you should post it, there's a thread for apgmera (apgsearch v4.x, right?)
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3049#p49273

Also, you should upgrade to apgluxe.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » April 3rd, 2020, 2:46 am

Saka wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 2:28 am
yujh wrote:
April 3rd, 2020, 2:24 am
What is wrong with this(apgmera, where can I post it?)
9B46E85B-B4E6-466F-A681-DB0499036D49.png
It looks like you dont have LifeLib installed, I think.
As for where you should post it, there's a thread for apgmera (apgsearch v4.x, right?)
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3049#p49273

Also, you should upgrade to apgluxe.
Downloaded from gitlab: https://gitlab.com/apgoucher/apgmera#
Don’t know if it’s v4.something.
Rule modifier

B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k
b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8
B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8
B3-kq4z5e7c8/S2-ci3-a4ciq5ek6eik7

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » April 4th, 2020, 1:55 pm

Ian07 wrote:
April 1st, 2020, 9:48 am
Rules directory gives an error.

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Error: Server Error
The server encountered an error and could not complete your request.

Please try again in 30 seconds.
Fixed.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Hunting » April 11th, 2020, 11:47 am

I submitted a 10000-soup C1 LeapLife test haul to Catagolue just now. Despite changing the server address to gol.hatsya.co.uk, my haul is not uploaded onto Catagolue. I'm using v1.0

P. S. Off-topic spam: Apparently, I have more posts compared to calcyman. Maybe I should stop chitchatting...

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Hdjensofjfnen » April 14th, 2020, 1:55 pm

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x = 5, y = 9, rule = B3-jqr/S01c2-in3
3bo$4bo$o2bo$2o2$2o$o2bo$4bo$3bo!

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S2-i3-y4i
4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » April 14th, 2020, 2:43 pm

4 years and 5 months. Brett Berger held the throne for the previous few months, up to and including 12th November 2015 -- see https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3 ... 2015-11-12 -- and prior to that there were no backups* and I can't really remember what the situation was. I vaguely recall Dave Greene would have been in the lead if he hadn't split his discoveries equally between two accounts.

*backups were enabled later that year when I realised how expensive it would be (in terms of computing power) to rerun everything in the event of someone completely sabotaging the census.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by LaundryPizza03 » April 21st, 2020, 1:55 am

How can I automatically scrape contents from Catagolue? I was interested in obtaining oscillators in OT rules for an oscillator database, and Macbi wants to search for 5s candidates.

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by dvgrn » April 21st, 2020, 8:49 am

LaundryPizza03 wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 1:55 am
How can I automatically scrape contents from Catagolue? I was interested in obtaining oscillators in OT rules for an oscillator database, and Macbi wants to search for 5s candidates.
Do you know about the "textcensus" pages? Once you collect a list of rules that you're interested in, you can get a text file of apgcodes for each rule, like this one for LeapLife:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensus/b2n3s23-q/C1

(same as just browsing the census to get to a list of objects, then adding the prefix "text" to the word "census" in the URL).

For some rules that will return a lot of data. You can be more specific and ask for one oscillator/spaceship period at a time, like

https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensu ... -q/C1/xp10

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Macbi » April 21st, 2020, 9:18 am

dvgrn wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 8:49 am
Do you know about the "textcensus" pages? Once you collect a list of rules that you're interested in, you can get a text file of apgcodes for each rule, like this one for LeapLife:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensus/b2n3s23-q/C1

(same as just browsing the census to get to a list of objects, then adding the prefix "text" to the word "census" in the URL).
That's cool! Do you also know how to get a list of rules and the symmetries for each rule?

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Post by dvgrn » April 21st, 2020, 9:20 am

Macbi wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 9:18 am
That's cool! Do you also know how to get a list of rules and the symmetries for each rule?
No, I have a vague memory that something like that is available, but have forgotten the details. Here's hoping someone more knowledgeable can chime in. Obviously it's possible to scrape the main census page, but that will only get leaderboard rules and recently updated rules.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » April 21st, 2020, 9:39 am

Macbi wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 9:18 am
dvgrn wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 8:49 am
Do you know about the "textcensus" pages? Once you collect a list of rules that you're interested in, you can get a text file of apgcodes for each rule, like this one for LeapLife:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensus/b2n3s23-q/C1

(same as just browsing the census to get to a list of objects, then adding the prefix "text" to the word "census" in the URL).
That's cool! Do you also know how to get a list of rules and the symmetries for each rule?
This gives every census that doesn't contain a hyphen in the symmetry (i.e. no backups, or 'synthesis-costs', or 'asymmetric-soups'), with the most recently updated censuses at the top:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/abclist

It's cached with a lifespan of 6 hours. Is that sufficiently good?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Macbi » April 21st, 2020, 10:11 am

Great, thanks!

EDIT: Should I worry that requesting all of these pages will crash the catagolue?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Naszvadi » April 22nd, 2020, 2:40 pm

dvgrn wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 8:49 am
LaundryPizza03 wrote:
April 21st, 2020, 1:55 am
How can I automatically scrape contents from Catagolue? I was interested in obtaining oscillators in OT rules for an oscillator database, and Macbi wants to search for 5s candidates.
Do you know about the "textcensus" pages? Once you collect a list of rules that you're interested in, you can get a text file of apgcodes for each rule, like this one for LeapLife:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensus/b2n3s23-q/C1

(same as just browsing the census to get to a list of objects, then adding the prefix "text" to the word "census" in the URL).

For some rules that will return a lot of data. You can be more specific and ask for one oscillator/spaceship period at a time, like

https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensu ... -q/C1/xp10
Cool! So querying p14 ship in OT hexagonal rule for C1 symmetry, for example: https://catagolue.appspot.com/textcensus/b2s34h/C1/xq14

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Layz Boi » May 2nd, 2020, 8:33 pm

Is there a way I can say, upload a pattern and Catagolue will tell me whether or not said pattern is already in the Catagolue database?

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Post by dvgrn » May 2nd, 2020, 8:45 pm

Layz Boi wrote:
May 2nd, 2020, 8:33 pm
Is there a way I can say, upload a pattern and Catagolue will tell me whether or not said pattern is already in the Catagolue database?
Sure -- or pretty close, anyway. Select a pattern in Golly and run biggiemac's script.

Try some random object like this

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x = 11, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$6bo3bo$6b4o2$4b4o$3bo3bo$3b2o$5bo$5bo$ob2obob2o$2obobob2o$3bobo$
3bobo$4bo!
and you'll find that it takes you to a page with a valid apgcode, xs35_woo0u1ug8ozxogjkczca226.

But if there are no soups listed for that object, and no synthesis, then usually that pretty much counts as "not in the Catagolue database".

(There are some cases where complete lists of, say, N-bit objects have been uploaded to Catagolue whether or not they've been seen in soups or synthesized, but those are the exception not the rule.)

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