Agar guns

[Zacinfinity]

I was wondering if there are any agar crawler guns?
Specially for zebra stripes but I am cool with any agar

[shouldsee]

If you are not restricting your rulespace, here is an p112 in an nontotalistic rule

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x = 74, y = 74, rule = B12ai3aejkr4-acikn5n6-ce7e/S1c2in3aejkr4ejkqtz5ckq6-a:T74,74
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[Zacinfinity]

Thanks, thats really helpful but I would prefer conway life (if its possible)
but I would appreciate any ruleset

[BlinkerSpawn]

Thanks, thats really helpful but I would prefer conway life (if its possible)
but I would appreciate any ruleset

The closest I think you could get to an "agar gun" in Life would be lightspeed oscillators stuck inside a stripes agar.

[Zacinfinity]

can I have an example please

[wildmyron]

can I have an example please

This seems a bit of a contrived example, bit it qualifies. Here is Dean Hickersons' p6 light speed signal source and sink embedded in the stripes agar:

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x = 100, y = 23, rule = B3/S23:T100,24
100o2$100o$12bo2bo12bo37bo$6ob3o7b2ob2obob2o3b32ob2o3b5o2b6o2b17o$5bob
o2bo7bobob3o2b3o31bobo3b2o3b4o4bo2bo$3o2bo2bo2bo2b2o2bo7bo3b31o2bo2bo
3bo7b2o4b16o$3bobo3b2o2bo2bobo2b5ob2o32b3obo2b2ob3o3bo$3obob3o2b3obo2b
obobo2bobob32o3bob2obobo2bobob2o4b16o$4bo4b2o4b2obo2bob2o2bobo31bo2bo
4bo4bobo3bo2bo$4o2bobo3b3o8b2o4b5o2b4o2b4o2b4o2b4o2bobobo2b3o5bobo2bo
2b2o2b13o$4b2o2b3o4b2o6bo5b2o2b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o9bo2bo3b3o3bo$4o
2b2obo2b3o3bo3b4o3bob3o2b4o2b4o2b4o2b4o2bo2bobob2obob2o2b2obo2bo5b12o$
4bobo3bo4b2o4b2o3bobo32b3obobob2o4bobobo3bo$4o2bo4b3obo4bobo3bob33o3bo
bo4b5obo2b4o2b14o$6bobo4bobo2b3obobob2o34bo3bob3o5bobobo5bo$7ob5o2bobo
3bob2o4b32ob2o2bobo2b3o2bobo2bo5b13o$15bob2o2bo4b3o32bo2bobo4bo2bobo2b
obo2bo$16obo4b4o3b32o2b2ob5o2b2ob4ob19o$19bo7bo$100o2$100o!

[Zacinfinity]

Thanks, that is exactly what I wanted
too bad we don't have single signal oscillators then we could make any period oscillators

[BlinkerSpawn]

Thanks, that is exactly what I wanted
too bad we don't have single signal oscillators then we could make any period oscillators

We have well-known 2c/3 signals and a signal elbow that converts a single signal to a double signal, but the required single-to-single elbow or double-to-single converter to make loops of arbitrary period remains an open problem.

[Zacinfinity]

yes but we would also still need it to be a light speed signal for a extendable-period oscillator
also can you show me the elbow

[BlinkerSpawn]

yes but we would also still need it to be a light speed signal for a extendable-period oscillator
also can you show me the elbow

The speed affects nothing other than the minimum repeat time of the signal, what matters is the possible lengths of loop that can be created. Multiple signals can be packed into the same loop as long as they are separated by enough ticks that they do not interfere with one another.

[dvgrn]

also can you show me the elbow

Here's the current almost-solution to the omniperiodicity problem. The 2c/3 signal wire can be connected into a loop with arbitrary period, but you can't put two elbows in a row because the signal-doubling trick only works once.

I seem to recall there's a 2c/3 to 5c/9 signal elbow, also -- yup, in the middle of the left edge, in the "fizzles" stamp collection in the above link. So theoretically a 5c/9 to 2c/3 elbow might also fit the bill, if it recovers in less than 19 ticks.

I'm still hoping that some inspired and dedicated searching, maybe using SAT solvers, will be able to locate an example of one of the two converters that BlinkerSpawn mentioned. At least, it would be good to run a drifter-style search right to the edge of what current technology can manage (GPUs, distributed searching). It's been quite a few years since the last concerted effort to find something along these lines, and computers just keep getting more powerful...!

[Zacinfinity]

Yeah, but luckily I am using a brute-force method of finding it in a program I am creating.
It may be slow but it will DEFINITELY find it if it exists
Thanks for the help and if any more news comes up about it post it here

[dvgrn]

Yeah, but luckily I am using a brute-force method of finding it in a program I am creating.
It may be slow but it will DEFINITELY find it if it exists...

It might be a good idea to do some timed runs on small searches, bearing in mind that for every new cell you add to a brute-force search, the search time approximately doubles.

It's easy to get a little too ambitious where exponential increases are lurking in the time estimates. Someone recently reported starting a search that had an expected run time measured in centuries.

In fact the estimated number of centuries had 900 digits... and that was just for a 20x20 search area.

[Zacinfinity]

It might be a good idea to do some timed runs on small searches, bearing in mind that for every new cell you add to a brute-force search, the search time approximately doubles.

I know but it is worth a shot (but your probably right because Im using python )
Also this is very close

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x = 239, y = 224, rule = B3/S23
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62bo2b2o2b2ob4o4b2o84b6o2bo$62b2obo4bobo3bo2bo2b2o88bobo$65bo2bobobob
2obo2bobo81b6o2bob2o$65bobob2obo2bob4obo80bo6bobo$66b2o5bobo6bob2o77b
5o2bobo$68b5o2bob4obobo74b2o7bob2o$68bo6bobo3bo2bo75b6o2bo$71b4o2bobo
4bob2o70bo7bobo$71bo3b3ob5obobo65b2o2bob5o2bob2o$74bo3bo6bo67bo3bo6bob
o$72bo2b2o2b2ob4o64bo3b3ob4o2bobo$72b2obo4bobo3b2o62b4o2bobo3bobob2o$
75bo2bobobob2o2bo58bo6bobo3bo2bo$75bobob2obo2bobo2bo56b5o2bob4ob2o$76b
2o5bobobob2o54b2o5bobo6bo$78b5o2bobobo54bobob2obo2bob4obo$78bo3bobo2bo
bo54bo2bobobob2obo2bobob2o$79bo3bo3bobob2o48b2obo4bobo3bo2bo2b2obo$78b
2o4b3o2bobobo47bo2b2o2b2ob4o4b2o$89bobobo49bo3bo6bobo3bo$84b5o2bobob2o
43bo3b3ob5obob4o$84bo6bobobo44b4o2bobo4bobo$87b4o2bobo41bo6bobo3bo2bo
3bo$87bo5bobob2o38b5o2bob4obobo2b2o$90b3o2bobobo35b2o5bobo6bob2o$90bo
4bobobo34bobob2obo2bob4obo$91b4o2bobob2o31bo2bobobob2obo2bobo$97bobobo
29b2obo4bobo3bo2bo2b2o$93b4o2bobo29bo2b2o2b2ob4o4b2o$93bo5bobob2o28bo
3bo6bobo3bo$96b3o2bobobo24bo3b3ob5obob4o$96bo4bobobo24b4o2bobo4bobo$
97b4o2bobob2o18bo6bobo3bo2bo3bo$103bobobo19b5o2bob4obobo2b2o$99b4o2bob
o12b2o3b2o5bobo6bob2o$99bo5bobob2o9bobobobob2obo2bob4obo$102b3o2bobobo
10bobo2bobobob2obo2bobo$102bo4bobobo9b2obo4bobo3bo2bo2b2o$103b4o2bobob
2o4bo4b2o2b2ob4o4b2o$109bobobo4bob4o3bo6bobo3bo$105b4o2bobo4bo5b3ob5ob
ob4o$105bo5bobob2ob6o2bobo4bobo$108b3o2bobobo6bobo3bo2bo3bo$108bo4bobo
bo2b2o2bob4obobo2b2o$109b4o2bobobo2bobo6bob2o$115bobobobo2bob4obo$111b
4o2bobobob2obo2bobo$111bo5bobobo3bo2bo2b2obo$114b3o2bob4o4b2o2b2o$114b
o4bo5b4o2bo$115b5ob4o5bo$121bo2bo2b3o$115b6o2bo3bo$115bo2bo5b3o2$123bo
b2o$123b2obo!

[BlinkerSpawn]

I don't know why I thought I could successfully fool around with this by hand and hope to succeed but I did find this amusing.

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x = 67, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
55b2o$2ob2o50bo$bobobob2o43bo3b3ob2o$o2bobobo44b4o2bobo$3o2bobo41bo6bo
bo3bo$5bobob2o38b6obob4obo$2b3o2bobobo35b2o7bo6bo$2bo4bobobo34bobob2ob
o2bob4obob2o$3b4o2bobob2o31bo2bobob4obo2bobo2bo$9bobobo29b2obo4bo5bo2b
o2b2o$5b4o2bobo29bo2b2o2b2ob4o4b2o$5bo5bobob2o28bo3bo6bobo3bo$8b3o2bob
obo24bo3b3ob5obob4o$8bo4bobobo24b4o2bobo4bobo$9b4o2bobob2o18bo6bobo3bo
2bo3bo$15bobobo19b5o2bob4obobo2b2o$11b4o2bobo12b2o3b2o5bobo6bob2o$11bo
5bobob2o9bobobobob2obo2bob4obo$14b3o2bobobo10bobo2bobobob2obo2bobo$14b
o4bobobo9b2obo4bobo3bo2bo2b2o$15b4o2bobob2o4bo4b2o2b2ob4o4b2o$21bobobo
4bob4o3bo6bobo3bo$17b4o2bobo4bo5b3ob5obob4o$17bo5bobob2ob6o2bobo4bobo$
20b3o2bobobo6bobo3bo2bo3bo$20bo4bobobo2b2o2bob4obobo2b2o$21b4o2bobobo
2bobo6bob2o$27bobobobo2bob4obo$23b4o2bobobob2obo2bobo$23bo5bobobo3bo2b
o2b2obo$26b3o2bob4o4b2o2b2o$26bo4bo4bobo4bo$27b5ob2obob5o$32bo2b2o$29b
2o2bo4b2ob2o$29bob2o6bobo$39bobo$40bo!

[dvgrn]

Also this is very close...

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{promising-looking RLE of the old elbow that loses one bit when a signal turns]

Argh, yes.

Quite a few search tools have appeared on the scene since that almost-elbow was found, though. That missing bit is pretty close to the edge; I wonder if something like Bellman could come up with a custom attachment at that corner that would restore the bit? (There are other Bellman threads on the forums if that executable doesn't work, or doesn't make any sense...!)

[Zacinfinity]

I don't know why I thought I could successfully fool around with this by hand and hope to succeed but I did find this amusing.

Wow... just WOW