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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Apple Bottom » March 26th, 2018, 4:25 am

77topaz wrote:I see the one soup is coloured pink, which suggests it's some odd symmetry (inflated, maybe?); that could have to do with it.
1x256X2+1, actually, one of wwei's own.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by 77topaz » March 26th, 2018, 5:03 am

What does that symmetry code even mean? Is it two 1x256 lines with one empty row between them? Catagolue loads the sample soup as if it's just a regular 16x16 soup.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by wwei23 » March 26th, 2018, 8:30 am

Remove all the dollar signs, paste at 0,0, paste reflected at 256,0.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by A for awesome » April 11th, 2018, 8:24 pm

Here's one.
EDIT:
EDIT 2: Try posting a blank comment on this page.
EDIT 3: Try out the special new input field at the very bottom of this page.
EDIT 4: You should know better by now.
EDIT 5: https://catagolue.appspot.com/object?ap ... e=%3C%21--
The Chrome XSS auditor is actually very good — it doesn't let me do anything that would have the potential to compromise the site itself that I've found. Not that that's what I'm trying to do, of course.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by AforAmpere » April 11th, 2018, 9:10 pm

Changing the rule to Catagolue has an interesting effect, strange.
EDIT: This one just does not work. Oddly, the link does not show up in the URL tags properly.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by 77topaz » April 12th, 2018, 5:22 am

I'm not sure deliberately messing with the site's structure-code counts as a Catagolue oddity. :P

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Saka » April 12th, 2018, 8:12 am

Airy Clave White It Nay

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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by A for awesome » April 12th, 2018, 9:17 am

AforAmpere wrote:Changing the rule to Catagolue has an interesting effect, strange.
That's a nice one — getting Catagolue to generate a hacked link to itself.

Also: This url isn't caught by Chrome's XSS auditor. Maybe it's time for @Calcyman to implement good input sanitization? — this could possibly be used to actually hack the site. For reference, here is the rule used:

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b3s23"); alert("Hello!
.

The constraints of the format do mean that only a restricted subset of JavaScript can be injected, where b, s, uppercase letters, /, &, and ? are disallowed, if I'm reasoning right. However, this would seem to still be enough to do potential damage to the site.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Majestas32 » April 12th, 2018, 11:36 am

b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; --
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Apple Bottom » April 12th, 2018, 12:21 pm

Majestas32 wrote:b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; --
Catagolue doesn't use SQL.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by AforAmpere » April 12th, 2018, 4:42 pm

Somehow, when you hover over the blue links, it shows that the link URL is the formatting of the page:
Here.
Meta.
I and wildmyron manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules.

Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule
- Finish a rule with ships with period >= f_e_0(n) (in progress)

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by A for awesome » April 12th, 2018, 5:14 pm

Here's a LifeViewer hack: The rule is

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b3s23"); var prerle = "#\u0043 [[ \u0041\u004E\u0047\u004C\u0045 45 ]] <\u0062r>\n"; if(0)//
Example page

EDIT: Blank Catagolue page

Rule:

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b3s23"); eval("document.get\u0045lementBy\u0049d('container').inner\u0048\u0054\u004D\u004C=''");//
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by 77topaz » April 13th, 2018, 4:28 am

That tilted rule hack is pretty nice. :)


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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Saka » April 13th, 2018, 7:10 am

wwei23 wrote:<snip>
Original Saka_Test haul.
Airy Clave White It Nay

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x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by mniemiec » April 13th, 2018, 4:17 pm

Saka wrote:
wwei23 wrote:<snip>
Original Saka_Test haul.
Wow! You discovered the Neutrino - a massless spaceship!

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Majestas32 » April 14th, 2018, 6:35 pm

BlockFloodTest is on the way to overtaking B3s23/C1. Good job wwei23!
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by wwei23 » April 14th, 2018, 7:43 pm

Majestas32 wrote:BlockFloodTest is on the way to overtaking B3s23/C1. Good job wwei23!
Thanks!
I noticed something strange: B3/S23/C1 gets hauls every few minutes. But isn't that rate too fast? I thought hauls shouldn't be submitted that fast.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by danny » April 14th, 2018, 7:56 pm

wwei23 wrote:
Majestas32 wrote:BlockFloodTest is on the way to overtaking B3s23/C1. Good job wwei23!
Thanks!
You should stop. BlockFlood brings nothing interesting or exciting to the table at all, it's just a spam symmetry. At least Saka_Test tests things with the website, while this rule seems to be about spamming the leaderboards. I'm all for rules gaining lots of soups (I kept searching Snowflakes for that reason), but this 'symmetry' does nothing good for the site whatsoever.

Plus, I recall calcyman saying something about rules overtaking Life breaking the website, and he's most likely had enough of your shenanigans.

I thought you were trying to get better, wwei. :/
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by calcyman » April 14th, 2018, 9:19 pm

danny wrote:Plus, I recall calcyman saying something about rules overtaking Life breaking the website, and he's most likely had enough of your shenanigans.
Yes, the barcharts on user pages search for the largest 20 backup censuses (which is possible because there's a size index) and assume that they're the last 20 backups of b3s23/C1. So if the object count is surpassed by another rule, this will get messed up. Similarly, if the number of objects in b3s23/C1 ever decreases (e.g. as a result of a correction haul), then the dates at the bottom may appear in an unusual order.

Doing things properly would require another search index, using more disk space.

So if a census ever becomes larger than b3s23/C1, you better not make a backup of it.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by wwei23 » April 14th, 2018, 10:03 pm

calcyman wrote:
danny wrote:Plus, I recall calcyman saying something about rules overtaking Life breaking the website, and he's most likely had enough of your shenanigans.
Yes, the barcharts on user pages search for the largest 20 backup censuses (which is possible because there's a size index) and assume that they're the last 20 backups of b3s23/C1. So if the object count is surpassed by another rule, this will get messed up. Similarly, if the number of objects in b3s23/C1 ever decreases (e.g. as a result of a correction haul), then the dates at the bottom may appear in an unusual order.

Doing things properly would require another search index, using more disk space.

So if a census ever becomes larger than b3s23/C1, you better not make a backup of it.
I don’t need to back it up, because it’s an All Block. Get it?

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Majestas32 » April 14th, 2018, 11:12 pm

Seems it's gone. Rip
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

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    Re: Catagolue Oddities

    Post by danny » April 14th, 2018, 11:50 pm

    Catagolue has glider syntheses for this but not this
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    Re: Catagolue Oddities

    Post by Majestas32 » April 14th, 2018, 11:59 pm

    Theyare both there for me?
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