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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Moosey » April 10th, 2020, 10:20 am

apparently has something to do with cats
Might be the best since very very very very boat or whatever
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by testitemqlstudop » April 10th, 2020, 9:37 pm

Moosey wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 10:20 am
apparently has something to do with cats
Might be the best since very very very very boat or whatever
Presume it's a pun on cat, but I don't know what cat has to do here?

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Hunting » April 10th, 2020, 11:13 pm

Cattier

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by bubblegum » April 12th, 2020, 1:37 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:
April 10th, 2020, 9:37 pm
Presume it's a pun on cat, but I don't know what cat has to do here?
it's a typo, t and r are side-by-side on the keyboard
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Ian07 » April 17th, 2020, 10:59 am

Can someone explain why xp120_yd4r4zyd4r4zoowssx3us8zy531zzyn2c6zyy8su3xsswcczyrgcgy213zyrgfgzys3 is marked as a pseudo-object?

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x = 51, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
18bo$18bo$17bobo$18bo$18bo$18bo$18bo$17bobo$18bo$18bo$9bo$9b2o$4b2o4b
2o$2o2b2o4b3o$2o2b2o4b2o$9b2o$9bo10$27bobo$28b2o$28bo2$41bo$40b2o$39b
2o4b2o2b2o$38b3o4b2o2b2o$39b2o4b2o$40b2o$41bo$32bo$32bo$31bobo$32bo$32b
o$32bo$32bo$31bobo$32bo$32bo!

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by calcyman » April 17th, 2020, 11:25 am

Ian07 wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 10:59 am
Can someone explain why xp120_yd4r4zyd4r4zoowssx3us8zy531zzyn2c6zyy8su3xsswcczyrgcgy213zyrgfgzys3 is marked as a pseudo-object?

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x = 51, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
18bo$18bo$17bobo$18bo$18bo$18bo$18bo$17bobo$18bo$18bo$9bo$9b2o$4b2o4b
2o$2o2b2o4b3o$2o2b2o4b2o$9b2o$9bo10$27bobo$28b2o$28bo2$41bo$40b2o$39b
2o4b2o2b2o$38b3o4b2o2b2o$39b2o4b2o$40b2o$41bo$32bo$32bo$31bobo$32bo$32b
o$32bo$32bo$31bobo$32bo$32bo!
My guess is that apgsearch erroneously separated it into a glider and two p30s.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by creeperman7002 » April 17th, 2020, 2:59 pm

For some reason, higher symmetry soups in hex rules only show the C1 part:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 403/b2s34h
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Ian07 » April 17th, 2020, 3:48 pm

creeperman7002 wrote:
April 17th, 2020, 2:59 pm
For some reason, higher symmetry soups in hex rules only show the C1 part:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 403/b2s34h
Known issue; Catagolue just doesn't know yet how to convert them to the correct symmetry. You'll need to use lifelib for now to retrieve these soups.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Saka » April 19th, 2020, 9:37 am

My recent hauls page:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1?user=Saka
Only seems to give hauls from 2017 and earlier as well as a few I just did. Why? Is this intended?

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by bubblegum » April 27th, 2020, 12:17 am

I'm going through wiki-names.txt.
Problem with the long^10 boat: wtf do we call long^10?
Long^10 was never referenced in the discussion about alphabetical descriptors (also suggests a different name for long^11), but if we give long^10 "absurdly long" as suggested by simon, "absurdly long" is long^6.

I've put in a placeholder (abhorrently long) until we can figure something out.

In the meantime, bid farewell to "very very very very boat" and "trans-aircraft cattier with tail"!
(after teh merge request of course)

oh btw is there another file because i couldn't find prodigal sign in the file or blse and both of their names are lowercase
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Saka » May 5th, 2020, 1:05 am

The form on Catagolue's Objects page still uses the old object URL format (with the "object?apgcode=xp0_whatever&rule=b3s23"), a side effect of this is that when you post a comment on one of those "old" pages, it will post the comment, but also take you (back) to the objects page.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by 77topaz » May 17th, 2020, 10:40 pm

Saka wrote:
April 19th, 2020, 9:37 am
My recent hauls page:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1?user=Saka
Only seems to give hauls from 2017 and earlier as well as a few I just did. Why? Is this intended?
Those specific hauls are shown because they're in unusual categories. The 2020 ones, which are blue, are preserved because they have one of the first twenty instances of some object. The 2017 hauls are red because they failed some sort of verification and thus did not make it into the census proper. The normal "green" hauls are autodeleted after enough new green hauls are submitted.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by mniemiec » May 18th, 2020, 5:29 am

I recently noticed a few strange mis-categorizations in rule B36/S245:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b36s245/

xq4 https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b36s245/C1/xq4 lists xq4_153 (the "7" form of the Glider) which is not a spaceship (or anything else) in this rule, with 10002833 soups. There is an xp4_163 (the "4" form the Glider) which is correctly listed under the xp4 list.

xs5 https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b36s245/C1/xs5 lists xs5_253 (Boat) which isn't stable in this rule either, with 1371582 soups.

I couldn't find any other small common Life patterns listed; xs4 doesn't incorrectly include Block; xs6 doesn't incorrectly include Barge, Carrier, or Snake.

I suspect that these are due to apgsearch recognizing common objects by table-lookup, despite the fact that those common objects don't apply to every rule, but this mistake is being made millions of times in this rule alone.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Ian07 » May 18th, 2020, 10:14 am

mniemiec wrote:
May 18th, 2020, 5:29 am
I recently noticed a few strange mis-categorizations in rule B36/S245:
This was a bug that has since been fixed. Unfortunately the erroneous objects that were submitted under the broken version haven't been deleted yet.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by praosylen » June 18th, 2020, 2:47 pm

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by bubblegum » June 29th, 2020, 1:16 am

A for awasome wrote:
June 18th, 2020, 2:47 pm
"68P13".
One merge request later...
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by bubblegum » June 29th, 2020, 6:34 pm

EDIT2: what the this was supposed to be an edit
EDIT: okay this is getting ridiculous
"beacon on something"? it's a cis-beacon up on claw with long leg according to my naming conventions but that isn't fine either

EDIT3: also two cis griddles with two tubs has been given the name "why bother" as well as "antiphase why bother"
EDIT4: oh c'mon it's one hyphen ONE HYPHEN
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Saka » July 1st, 2020, 3:17 am

"1 objects" and "1 soups"
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s45678
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s45678/2x128
I'm not sure how many of these there are.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by bubblegum » July 1st, 2020, 8:25 pm

Soka wrote:
July 1st, 2020, 3:17 am
"1 objects" and "1 soups"
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s45678
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s45678/2x128
I'm not sure how many of these there are.
well there's "1 commited hauls"
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by Ian07 » August 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm

xs0_0 apparently costs 3 gliders to make: https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3 ... -costs/xs0

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by creeperman7002 » August 10th, 2020, 12:11 pm

This object page displays 2 C1 soups, but they are both duplicates. What is going on?

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq ... xfjf/b3s23
B2n3-jn/S1c23-y is an interesting rule. It has a replicator, a fake glider, an OMOS and SMOS, a wide variety of oscillators, and some signals. Also this rule is omniperiodic.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4856

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by mniemiec » August 10th, 2020, 5:46 pm

Ian07 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm
xs0_0 apparently costs 3 gliders to make: https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3 ... -costs/xs0
It currently says it costs 0 gliders, and is a pseudo-object.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by calcyman » August 10th, 2020, 6:17 pm

mniemiec wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 5:46 pm
Ian07 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm
xs0_0 apparently costs 3 gliders to make: https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3 ... -costs/xs0
It currently says it costs 0 gliders, and is a pseudo-object.
Yes, it's a pseudo-still-life because it's the union of 0 strict still-lifes, and 0 is not 1.

(For this reason, topologists often say that the empty space is not connected.)
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by mniemiec » August 10th, 2020, 9:10 pm

Ian07 wrote:
August 6th, 2020, 10:37 pm
xs0_0 apparently costs 3 gliders to make: https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3 ... -costs/xs0
mniemiec wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 5:46 pm
It currently says it costs 0 gliders, and is a pseudo-object.
calcyman wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 6:17 pm
Yes, it's a pseudo-still-life because it's the union of 0 strict still-lifes, and 0 is not 1.
(For this reason, topologists often say that the empty space is not connected.)
Pseudo-still-lifes are two or more distinct clusters (>1), and 0 does not qualify - for exactly the same reason that 1 is not a composite number, since it does not have >2 factors.

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Post by LaundryPizza03 » September 11th, 2020, 8:11 pm

This common constellation (produced by a common yl412) is misidentified as one xp4 object.

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x = 38, y = 14, rule = B01347/S024
6b2o3$20b2o$6b2o2$obo10bo23bo$obo10bo23bo2$6b2o$20b2o3$6b2o!

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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!
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