A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by Dylan Chen » December 16th, 2020, 2:42 am

I have been thinking the topic of "Broader Audience" &"CA Coin" for quite a while. Here is a post written in Discord CGoL. I repost it here, in the forum. For future those who were interested in this topic, it maybe easy for them to search (via keyword)

0、Bitcoin has been widely criticized due to its computing resources waste in mining process. It seems promising to replace the Hash-calculating with other meaningful subject such as science-related problems. There have been discussion regarding "CAcoin" since 2014. A huge amount of effort have been made by Calcyman and the community(APGsearch lifecoin-branch).
1、Does the meaningless Hash-mining process really meaning less?
One vital feature of currency is it means the same to everyone. A Lipstick Coin may be valued by lipstick enthusiasts, how much would it be accepted by the outsider? The prime coin which indeed has a practical use of calculating prime number, Launched early in 2013, now have the market value thousandth of Bitcoin at pathetic 0.04USD/coin.
In fact, it is the meaningless(non-interest-related) Hash process that make Bitcoin prosperous. No participator gain extra benefits from it, everyone enjoy the same, thus it could be commonly accepted.
2、What the community really want from "CAcoin"?
Not for a single time that the topic "Broader Audience for CA" has been raised. If money can be made from researching CA or at least the cost of calculating get covered, it would be a huge incentive for more people join in.
Currently, the primary cost/limitation of our community is computing resources. Within the community circle, everything is fine. Genius software programs shared and open-sourced to everyone. Precious knowledge on wikipage and forum are accessible to everyone. Any question raise would be explained immediately. It is not money, but joy and satisfaction we pursuit.
Things changed when we need resources outside the circle. We cannot persuade Cloud computing provider without money or credit card. "Broader Audience" can bring their passion and recognition, can't help much with the money.
Essential point of trade is property right, commodity can be keep private to the payer. Keeping new CGoL discovery secret or making new pattern private to certain one who paid, is not going to work well. As well as most of us won't agree to that, since share and devote is carved in the community genes.
3、What would happen when CA searching is profitable?
What could we(our community) do when that happen.
If someday CA can have a usage in National Defense (nuclear weapon system encryption e.g.),what would happen then.
Tools should not be the limit.
Whether your obstacle is a script, an stdin, or Linux environment computing resouces.
check New rules thread for help.

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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by Hunting » December 16th, 2020, 3:19 am

Dylan Chen wrote:
December 16th, 2020, 2:42 am
APGsearch lifecoin-branch
Wait is it done?
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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by otismo » December 21st, 2020, 5:11 pm

the whole idea of cyber-coin is that INFORMATION is the measurement of wealth and the store of value :

"Knowledge is Power"

"Wealth of Information"

when Information transmutes to Intelligence wealth is amplified/leveraged

when CA overlays of our own Universe come into being

IT'S JACKPOT TIME !
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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by otismo » January 30th, 2021, 11:38 pm

so the 50th came and went

JHC - RIP in April

NYT article December 29

not much done to promote to a wider audience...

I think we should profile ourselves

and then target the people who fit our profile
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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by pzq_alex » July 19th, 2021, 11:57 pm

One of the main issues is that newcomers (and outsiders) generally have a different preference for patterns/rules than the insiders.

An incomplete list of the "nooby" things:
  • Colliding random gliders into a delicately constructed pattern (e.g. primer, spacefiller, even metapixels) (see this for an example);
  • Turning off a cell in the middle of a spacefiller;
  • Checking how random numbers/letters, when put into the Life universe, evolve;
  • Other random stuff that is even more nooby than gustavo6046's early work.

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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by pcallahan » July 20th, 2021, 10:32 am

pzq_alex wrote:
July 19th, 2021, 11:57 pm
One of the main issues is that newcomers (and outsiders) generally have a different preference for patterns/rules than the insiders.

An incomplete list of the "nooby" things:
Well, a lot of people like seeing things blow up. Consider the popularity of building implosions. This could at least be a gateway for those who may later become interested in how anyone can make patterns that don't blow up.

Spacefiller destruction is also at least a little bit interesting because the approximate wavefront is predictable and produces different (approximate) polygons of debris depending on where it intersects the boundaries.

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Re: Accelerating spaceships

Post by ColorfulGabrielsp138 » July 22nd, 2021, 5:10 am

pcallahan wrote:You can't make a living at it, and even the recognition comes from a very small group.
Stamp collections may be one of the only patterns that may gain copyright.

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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by pew » July 26th, 2021, 3:50 am

Being a lurker of the forums, one thing I might add is that noobs (not that I exclude myself from such a category) are often shot down, if I'm being honest, quite apathetically, when making posts regarding a "new" pattern/idea, that turns out to be rediscovered. And this is often the case with a newcomer's first post as they tend to not be very knowledgeable yet. Whether this is a significant deterrent or a beneficial filter I can't say, but it does make the forums seem like a gatekeeped community.

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Re: A Broader Audience for Cellular Automata

Post by Sokwe » July 26th, 2021, 7:09 am

pew wrote:
July 26th, 2021, 3:50 am
Being a lurker of the forums, one thing I might add is that noobs (not that I exclude myself from such a category) are often shot down, if I'm being honest, quite apathetically, when making posts regarding a "new" pattern/idea, that turns out to be rediscovered. And this is often the case with a newcomer's first post as they tend to not be very knowledgeable yet. Whether this is a significant deterrent or a beneficial filter I can't say, but it does make the forums seem like a gatekeeped community.
This is definitely something I worry about. It's tricky to be encouraging while still explaining that something is already known. There's simply a huge barrier to entry for finding new patterns in Life. For this reason, I appreciate the Other Cellular automata board, as interesting new discoveries there are more accessible to new users. Unfortunately, you can often end up talking to yourself if there aren't enough users interested in your favorite CA. I also don't know whether new users would rather play around with Life or with other CA.

I don't know when or how I learned about Conway's Game of Life, but my first Life rediscovery was the clean tub-based superstring supports. This was years before the forums existed. A few years ago I found a set of handwritten notes from that time listing the objects in the periodic output for different superstring lengths. Back then, the only way to communicate with the Life community was to email one of the existing members or to post on comp.theory.cell-automata, but I was too timid for that, and it rarely yielded encouraging results, as can been seen in this message with no replies from 18 years ago by our very own Otismo.

The creation of the wiki and forums are what expanded the community so substantially. I don't think I exaggerate when I say that these forums rescued the hobby from near certain death. It just seemed like such a better way to share Life patterns than previous methods. I wonder if expansions to other platforms could have a similar effect. Do other platforms provide something new that would help draw in and retain new users? The Discord channel is popular with our current users, and maybe it helps with retention, but I'm not sure if it's drawing in many new users.
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