Catagolue Discussion Thread

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » April 25th, 2021, 8:30 pm

Is there any page on Catagolue that lists all of the still lives with a particular glider cost?
I have historically worked on conduits, but recently, I've been working on glider syntheses and investigating SnakeLife.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » April 25th, 2021, 9:28 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
April 25th, 2021, 8:30 pm
Is there any page on Catagolue that lists all of the still lives with a particular glider cost?
You can download /textcensus/b3s23/synthesis-costs (21 megabytes) and then filter through that yourself.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by MathAndCode » April 25th, 2021, 10:20 pm

calcyman wrote:
April 25th, 2021, 9:28 pm
You can download /textcensus/b3s23/synthesis-costs (21 megabytes) and then filter through that yourself.
Why do some of the costs seem to be 100,000,000,000,000,000 too high?



Edit: Many of these are constellations, not strict still lives. How do I filter those out?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by bubblegum » April 25th, 2021, 10:59 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
April 25th, 2021, 10:20 pm
Why do some of the costs seem to be 100,000,000,000,000,000 too high?
Edit: Many of these are constellations, not strict still lives. How do I filter those out?
That's a display trick, to put all of the strict objects before the pseudos without affecting their apparent cost. Filter out everything that isn't above that ridiculous number.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » May 4th, 2021, 5:03 am

I came across two posts about the use of colours in catagolue, which LifeWiki doesn't mention:
77topaz wrote:
January 20th, 2019, 7:15 pm
tod222 wrote:What do the colors signify in the root column on the haul pages?
Brown = newly uploaded, not yet processed
Colours between brown and green = various stages in the verification/committing process
Green = this haul has been committed to the census
Red = this haul failed a statistical test, it is not included in the census
Blue = this haul contains something special, it is being permanently preserved (green hauls are deleted after a while)
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gameoflifemaniac wrote:
danny wrote: Symmetry, colours based on some algorithm.
I know that, but WHAT symmetries are they?
If by "button colors" you mean the sample soup link bullets, the colors are computed by taking the first six hex digits of the SHA-256 hash of the symmetry, and interpreting them as an RGB color value.

For instance, D8_4 hashes to "a621fb6a4036736e5b2e468c69d5cee9cfbef98b27200d4a9cca1f2ee3345291", so the color used for that symmetry is #A621FB, a brilliant purple.

Converting a given color back to the corresponding symmetry is left as an exercise for the reader.
But these are a bit old. Has there been any change since?
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by muzik » May 5th, 2021, 2:36 pm

Will there ever be an effort to sanitize existing content on catagolue where appropiate?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by etmoonshade » May 9th, 2021, 12:25 am

I'm looking over my contributions from last year (just now finally getting back to submitting hauls...) and I'm realizing - I have a lot of blue hauls, but what's special about them?

It'd be nice if, when looking over a haul, I could see any objects found in that haul where I have a "discovery" - it'd be a lot easier to eyeball-grep for "first" or "fourteenth" or whatever, than just start clicking on things to see how many of them have been found in C1. :D

A similar problem exists when I'm looking at my user page - I have a bunch of discoveries, but it doesn't tell me when I found them. It'd be nice to see the actual date where I found that neat double BLSE, for example. And it'd also be cool to know "hey, what's the first thing I discovered?"

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by calcyman » May 9th, 2021, 6:38 am

etmoonshade wrote:
May 9th, 2021, 12:25 am
It'd be nice to see the actual date where I found that neat double BLSE, for example.
Replace 'object' with 'attribute' in that URL:

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/attribute/ ... 4a56/b3s23

and it tells you:

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*** yl144_1_32_3cc5a04d9bfba1ec28e6ae438ed34a56 ***
Soup k_7HzdJDZzhwFt31736768 was found on 2019-12-07 at 01:53:50 UTC and is owned by etmoonshade@gmail.com
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Dylan Chen » May 9th, 2021, 6:44 am

etmoonshade wrote:
May 9th, 2021, 12:25 am
but it doesn't tell me when I found them.

Welcome to the forum, (though you are much earlier contributing Catagolue search than me.)(2019.12 vs 2020.6)

There has a trick to display all discovery date and username. just replace object with attribute in url.
like: https://catagolue.hatsya.com/attribute/ ... 4a56/b3s23
it clearly displayed that:

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*** yl144_1_32_3cc5a04d9bfba1ec28e6ae438ed34a56 ***
Soup k_7HzdJDZzhwFt31736768 was found on 2019-12-07 at 01:53:50 UTC and is owned by etmoonshade@gmail.com

we are, definitely a small community, thus many of this useful tricks are not well known to our new friends, and the tutorials need update too.
if you have interested contributing more to the community, here is a FAQ project we currently working with.
https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/User:Dvgrn/Readme/FAQ


Best regards.



Edit: seems Calcyman have already post the same introduction (five minutes earlier). Anyway, I'll leave the post in the original way.
Edit2: make sure you have check the official discord server https://discord.com/invite/BCuYCEn.
the Starboard has quite a lot high quality CA patterns gif collection.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by cgoler2 » May 9th, 2021, 8:31 am

Why doesn't Catagolue preserve hauls that discovered something new, such as the haul with the twin hat modification that I discovered?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by May13 » May 9th, 2021, 9:00 am

It looks like sometimes Catagolue skips soups, and because of this, I cannot find out the time of the first discovery of something.
Examples:
1.
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xs9 ... 23-qy4irtz
There are no sample soups stored in the Catagolue, though it has 72804 occurrences in C4_1 census.
Example:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3aijnq5e6k/S23-qy4irtz
5b4obo2b3ob2ob3o6bo$obo2bob3ob3o3b5obobobo$2bob2obobo2bob2obo2bo3b2ob
3o$b3obo2b4o3b2obo2b2ob4o$3bob3ob14o5bo$b3o2bob4o2b4obo3b2ob5o$2b2ob2o
2bo4b2obo3bob4o3bo$bo3b2obobobo4bobobo4bob3o$o2b2o3bob6ob7obobob2o$2ob
2ob4obobo2b2o3bo2b6o$3obo3bo2bo3bo2b2o2b2ob3o2bo$bo2b2ob2obo3b2obo2b3o
2b3obo$2ob2o3bobo3b2obo4b2o2bob2o$3ob6ob2ob3o4b2o3bo2b2o$3b3o3bo3bobob
3o2bob3obobo$ob5obob11obob5obo$obob3obo2b3obobo3bo3b3o$2o2bo3b2o4b3ob
2ob6ob3o$b2obo2b2o4bob2o3bobo3b2ob2o$bob3o2b3o2bob2o3bob2ob2o2bo$o2b3o
b2o2b2o2bo3bo2bo3bob3o$b6o2bo3b2o2bobob4ob2ob2o$2obobob7ob6obo3b2o2bo$
3obo4bobobo4bobobob2o3bo$o3b4obo3bob2o4bo2b2ob2o$5ob2o3bob4o2b4obo2b3o
$2bo5b14ob3obo$3b4ob2o2bob2o3b4o2bob3o$b3ob2o3bo2bob2obo2bobob2obo$3bo
bobob5o3b3ob3obo2bobo$bo6b3ob2ob3o2bob4o!
2.
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xq2_23ee/b37s35
It has 2830 occurences.
Oh, cgoler2 got ahead of me. But these are specific examples too (but in OCA).
Bug or optimization?
3, another thing.
https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xq2 ... 74/b3s3578
When I'm trying to change "object" to "attribute", Catagolue says:

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*** xq2_473j88j374 ***
Why no discoverer?
It was found by Majestas32 (2018-03-23).

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by cgoler2 » May 9th, 2021, 9:04 am

It's an optimization. Would you prefer looking at every sample soup of the block or not looking at every one?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » May 9th, 2021, 9:13 am

May13 wrote:
May 9th, 2021, 9:00 am
1.
My own Q, why does cata sometimes only shows a specific number of soups that is not 500?
e.g.

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https://catagolue.hatsya.com/object/xs8_32qk/b3s23
2.
I think this one was discussed, but I'm not the one who remembers where it is. (related to ikpx2 and a puffer)
3.
Pretty usual, These usually happen, probably because that object is too common. https://catagolue.hatsya.com/attribute/ ... 8kc/b38s23
Edit:
It's an optimization. Would you prefer looking at every sample soup of the block or not looking at every one?
Not quite actually, since you're not calcyman himself (and probably didn't ask him about this before), and 2830 isn't something very common, I guess
B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k!!!

b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8

B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8

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Rule modifier

Catagolue stucks

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ping catagolue.hatsya.com
Pinging ghs.googlehosted.com [172.217.24.19]
Ping statistics for 172.217.24.19:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss)
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by etmoonshade » May 9th, 2021, 10:42 am

calcyman wrote:
May 9th, 2021, 6:38 am
Replace 'object' with 'attribute' in that URL:

https://catagolue.hatsya.com/attribute/ ... 4a56/b3s23

and it tells you:
Dylan Chen wrote:
May 9th, 2021, 6:44 am
There has a trick to display all discovery date and username. just replace object with attribute in url.
like: https://catagolue.hatsya.com/attribute/ ... 4a56/b3s23
it clearly displayed that:

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*** yl144_1_32_3cc5a04d9bfba1ec28e6ae438ed34a56 ***
Soup k_7HzdJDZzhwFt31736768 was found on 2019-12-07 at 01:53:50 UTC and is owned by etmoonshade@gmail.com
This is indeed a neat trick. But my thought was more like, "I have this haul that is apparently significant, but why?" I think that pointing to a specific object was a misguided attempt at an example on my part. :D

In this picture, I show the end of a 1001 object haul. How can I easily tell which one is the one I "discovered?" Currently, I have to go back to Discoveries, make sure I've clicked on every object I've discovered so far, and then I can look at any link that get added to my list that hasn't been followed. I have no way to tell that the second object from the last is the significant one.

Ultimately, my "feature request" here is to add two columns to the haul and discoveries views - date of discovery and ordinal (the latter for hauls only, since it's already in the discoveries list.) And then populate those columns in the haul view for any objects that are significant.



Hopefully not too off-topic, but I feel I should mention this based on something someone said to me on the Discord:
I'm really approaching my use of apgsearch as a game of sorts. I've been playing with CGoL for many many years because I think it's neat, but you're never going to catch me doing a glider synthesis, constructing a spaceship by hand or with a tool, or generally contributing to this in any scholarly manner. My "complaints," such that they are, stem from the root of all incremental games - I want to see numbers go up and neat stuff associated with it. :)

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by cgoler2 » May 18th, 2021, 1:04 pm

Why aren't there any sample soups for xs27_651u08ozmkhf032z1?
Edit: There is one now. But why isn't it listed in my Discoveries page?
2nd edit: Fixed.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » May 19th, 2021, 8:44 am

cgoler2 wrote:
May 18th, 2021, 1:04 pm
Why aren't there any sample soups for xs27_651u08ozmkhf032z1?
Edit: There is one now. But why isn't it listed in my Discoveries page?
2nd edit: Fixed.
Wdym? https://catagolue.hatsya.com/user/still ... iscoveries
B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k!!!

b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8

B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8

wiki

Rule modifier

Catagolue stucks

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ping catagolue.hatsya.com
Pinging ghs.googlehosted.com [172.217.24.19]
Ping statistics for 172.217.24.19:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss)
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by cgoler2 » May 19th, 2021, 9:33 am

I posted that right after the haul with that still life had been there, but I still don't know why there wasn't any sample soups for it even when the haul was blue.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Dylan Chen » May 19th, 2021, 6:28 pm

cgoler2 wrote:
May 19th, 2021, 9:33 am
I posted that right after the haul with that still life had been there, but I still don't know why there wasn't any sample soups for it even when the haul was blue.
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by cgoler2 » May 19th, 2021, 8:12 pm

Can the search speed for a computer with an Intel Core i5 processor be updated to 10000/s?

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by ihatecorderships » May 20th, 2021, 11:56 am

Why is the number of sample soups for each symmetry of xs12_69jzx1ac so perfect?
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2ek3ij4-jnqrz/S23
2b2o$3bo$ob2o$3o!

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by etmoonshade » May 21st, 2021, 8:12 pm

cgoler2 wrote:
May 19th, 2021, 8:12 pm
Can the search speed for a computer with an Intel Core i5 processor be updated to 10000/s?
Give it as many threads as you can give it using -p at the command line. Also make sure your computer is set for "high performance" in power settings - that bit me HARD when I was working on my setup.

If you're relatively proficient with Windows, you may consider installing a VM and sticking apgsearch on Linux. If it's a scratch machine dedicated to doing apgsearch, just go and install Linux on it. Others have had luck with WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) but I've never personally used it so I can't say whether it's better or worse.

On my setup, I'm averaging ~25k soups/second per 7 cores:

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apgsearch5:     Average soups/sec: 24700.784    Current soups completed: 3300000
apgsearch1:     Average soups/sec: 25306.156    Current soups completed: 199800000
apgsearch6:     Average soups/sec: 24771.074    Current soups completed: 30000000
apgsearch3:     Average soups/sec: 24773.977    Current soups completed: 124200000
apgsearch7:     Average soups/sec: 25993.119    Current soups completed: 94200000
apgsearch8:     Average soups/sec: 25319.361    Current soups completed: 68400000
apgsearch2:     Average soups/sec: 24754.541    Current soups completed: 106200000
apgsearch4:     Average soups/sec: 24448.056    Current soups completed: 164100000

Overall Average soups/sec: 25008.3835
Total soups/sec: 200067.068
Each machine is a VM with 8 cores assigned, 7 in use. Processor is an Epyc 7502 running at 2.83GHz (currently.) I'm currently using Void Linux (the glibc version) as an operating system - it's delightfully stripped-down by default. Barely any overhead at all.

If your speed is comparable, it's pretty likely that you'll be able to get 10k/s or better out of a 6-core i5 (assuming it's not a laptop processor.)

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by GUYTU6J » May 24th, 2021, 10:15 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
May 21st, 2021, 11:16 am
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x = 249, y = 144, rule = B3/S23
234bo$233bo$233b3o8$182bo$180bobo$181b2o$233bo$233bobo$222bo10b2o$220b
2o$221b2o$159bo11bo$157bobo12bo$158b2o10b3o4$197bobo$198b2o$198bo2$
209bo25bo$208bo26bobo$208b3o24b2o3$168bobo$87bo81b2o$87bobo79bo$87b2o
88bo$178b2o$177b2o2$225bo$225bobo$225b2o$50bo$51bo$49b3o$87bo83bo$86bo
82bobo$86b3o81b2o12bo$185bo$183b3o5$228b2o$228b2o$95bo$95bobo$95b2o5$
10bobo157bobo$10bo3bo155bo3bo50b2obob2o$2o12bo145b2o12bo$2o8bo4bo144b
2o8bo4bo49bo5bo$14bo159bo$10bo3bo155bo3bo51b2ob2o$10bobo157bobo55bo3$
17bo159bo55bobo$15b2ob2o155b2ob2o51bo3bo$231bo$14bo5bo153bo5bo49bo4bo
8b2o$231bo12b2o$14b2obob2o153b2obob2o50bo3bo$233bobo3$90b2o$89b2o$91bo
3$16b2o158b2o$16b2o158b2o5$220b3o$92b2o126bo$92bobo9b3o114bo12b2o$92bo
11bo129bobo$57bo47bo128bo$57b2o$56bobo2$179b2o$178bobo$180bo2$227b2o$
226b2o$228bo$236bo$235b2o$235bobo3$169b2o24b3o$168bobo26bo$170bo25bo2$
207bo$206b2o$206bobo4$233b3o10b2o$233bo12bobo$234bo11bo$183b2o$184b2o$
171b2o10bo$170bobo$172bo$223b2o$223bobo$223bo8$170b3o$172bo$171bo!
...

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x = 831, y = 133, rule = B3/S23
779bobo$780b2o$780bo5$605bobo$605b2o$606bo10$271bo533bo$272bo531bo$
270b3o531b3o2$364bobo$365b2o411bobo5bo$281bo83bo84bo119bo37b2o160bo8b
2o5b3o19b2o$282bo165b3o117b3o37bo107bo51b3o8bo9bo18bo$280b3o69b2o78b2o
13bo104b2o13bo38bobo108b2o33b2o13bo20b2o16bobo$352b2o78b2o13b2o103b2o
13b2o37b2o108b2o34b2o13b2o37b2o$456bo155bobo176bo$283bo171bo156b2o177b
obo$283bobo76b3o90b3o155bo177b2o$283b2o63bo15bo63bo119bo199bo$348bo14b
o64bo119bo168bo30bo$348bo79bo119bo21b2o146b2o28bo21b2o$479bo90b2o145b
2o51b2o$452b3o23bo$452bo25b3o18bo128bobo$453bo21bo22b2o128b2o$474b2o
22bobo128bo$474bobo2$799b2o$799b2o2$607b3o$607bo$608bo$621bo$620bo$
620b3o6$616bo$615b2o$615bobo5$479bobo$479b2o22bobo$228bo251bo22b2o294b
2o$227bo276bo294b2o$227b3o5$5bo49bo79bo59bo79bo69bo79bo119bo199bo$4bob
o47bobo77bobo57bobo77bobo23b2o42bobo23b2o52bobo23b2o92bobo23b2o172bobo
23b2o$4bobo47bobo77bobo57bobo77bobo23b2o42bobo23b2o52bobo23b2o92bobo
23b2o172bobo23b2o$3b2ob2o45b2ob2o75b2ob2o15bo39b2ob2o75b2ob2o65b2ob2o
75b2ob2o115b2ob2o195b2ob2o$2bo2bo2bo43bo2bo2bo73bo2bo2bo15bo37bo2bo2bo
73bo2bo2bo63bo2bo2bo73bo2bo2bo54b3o56bo2bo2bo193bo2bo2bo$bobobobobo41b
obobobobo71bobobobobo12b3o36bobobobobo71bobobobobo61bobobobobo71bobobo
bobo53bo57bobobobobo191bobobobobo$2bobobobo43bobobobo73bobobobo53bobob
obo73bobobobo63bobobobo73bobobobo55bo57bobobobo193bobobobo$4bobo47bobo
77bobo57bobo77bobo67bobo77bobo117bobo197bobo$3bo2bo46bo2bo20bo55bo2bo
8b2o46bo2bo8b2o10b2o54bo2bo8b2o10b2o44bo2bo8b2o10b2o54bo2bo8b2o10b2o
94bo2bo8b2o10b2o37b2o135bo2bo8b2o10b2o37b2o$4b2o48b2o21bobo54b2o9bo48b
2o9bo11bo56b2o9bo11bo46b2o9bo11bo56b2o9bo11bo96b2o9bo11bo38bobo135b2o
9bo11bo20b2o16bobo$77b2o67b3o57b3o9b3o9b3o53b3o9b3o55b3o9b3o65b3o9b3o
105b3o9b3o37bo147b3o9b3o18bo18bo$148bo6bo52bo11bo9bo57bo11bo57bo11bo
67bo11bo107bo11bo37b2o148bo11bo15b3o19b2o$55b2o17b2o59b2o18b2o38b2o34b
o43b2o68b2o78b2o118b2o198b2o39bo$55b2o16b2o60b2o17bobo38b2o78b2o68b2o
78b2o118b2o198b2o$75bo$7b3o$7bo$8bo$3o623bo$2bo622b2o$bo623bobo3$84bo$
83b2o$83bobo607b2o$694b2o$693bo2$90b3o722b2o$90bo724bobo$91bo723bo$
692b2o$693b2o$692bo62bo$755b2o$754bobo3$828b3o$619bo208bo$618b2o209bo$
618bobo16$756bo$756b2o$755bobo!
I have just submitted them as-is, but separating individual steps containing large gaps. Can someone tell me if they are successfully stored?
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In the drama The Peony Pavilion, Tang Xianzu wrote: 原来姹紫嫣红开遍,似这般都付与断井颓垣。
(Here multiflorate splendour blooms forlorn
Midst broken fountains, mouldering walls.)
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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by Ian07 » May 25th, 2021, 9:11 am

GUYTU6J wrote:
May 24th, 2021, 10:15 am
I have just submitted them as-is, but separating individual steps containing large gaps. Can someone tell me if they are successfully stored?
Nope. Tried to modify them myself and it didn't work either. Listed on Gitlab for now.

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by ihatecorderships » May 25th, 2021, 2:11 pm

In what symmetries can you qualify for badges and discoveries? I found the second occurrence of an xs30 in C2_2 a few days ago, and yesterday I found a phoenix 1 in C2_4, but on my use page it doesn't list me as having the conchita badge, and it doesn't say I discovered anything. Do discoveries only count in C1 or G1?
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2ek3ij4-jnqrz/S23
2b2o$3bo$ob2o$3o!

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Re: Catagolue Discussion Thread

Post by cgoler2 » May 25th, 2021, 2:19 pm

ihatecorderships wrote:
May 25th, 2021, 2:11 pm
In what symmetries can you qualify for badges and discoveries? I found the second occurrence of an xs30 in C2_2 a few days ago, and yesterday I found a phoenix 1 in C2_4, but on my use page it doesn't list me as having the conchita badge, and it doesn't say I discovered anything. Do discoveries only count in C1 or G1?
They only count in C1 or G1. I also want there to be a copperhead badge on Catagolue.

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