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Golly's pattern collection

Post by Alexey_Nigin » May 25th, 2015, 4:46 am

I am running Golly 2.6, so excuse me if these errors are not present in 2.7.

I have noticed a few strange things in Golly's pattern collection.
  • Life\Rakes\forward-LWSS-rake-p90.rle actually creates MWSS.
  • Life\Rakes\basic-rakes.rle contains one redundant spaceship that does not interact with anything (in the top-left).
  • WireWorld/gate-XOR.mcl contains one redundant cell. Canonical form is:

    Code: Select all

    x = 6, y = 7, rule = WireWorld
    .A$.C$4C$C2.3C$4C$.C$.A!
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Post by dvgrn » May 25th, 2015, 11:50 pm

Alexey_Nigin wrote:I have noticed a few strange things in Golly's pattern collection...
Thanks for starting this thread. I'll review and fix the above items eventually. Anyone is welcome to add comments and suggestions for Golly's pattern collection here -- I admit it's gotten seriously out of date in the past few years.

I'd like to do a fairly thorough overhaul of the collection, and also the Life Lexicon, for Golly 2.8 or Golly 3.0 or somewhere in there. But it's the kind of thing that I have to pick away at very slowly. It's a big job, and at the moment I don't have several weeks straight to devote to writing comments and making difficult executive decisions.

There's been some discussion on the golly-test list about how to organize a much larger pattern collection that can still be integrated with Golly in some way... i.e., maybe sorted into similar categories -- oscillators, guns, signal circuitry, etc.

The idea that brought it up was that the new Herschel conduit / elementary conduit / H-to-G / H-to-G(n) collections seemed too large to fit in the base collection, but it would be nice to be able to let people know that they were available for download from (let's say) the Very Large Patterns repository, which I think relatively few people even notice. Most people wouldn't be interested, but for the people who download it, it might be nicer if it showed up in the Signal-Circuitry folder instead of off in some monolithic downloads folder along with every other downloaded file.

Maybe it will work to set up an extended collection as a ZIP file with the same subfolders as Golly's pattern collection, but that won't drop files into the right places automatically unless there's a script in the ZIP file to unpack everything correctly -- and not everyone has Python installed, and not everyone might be interested in having their pattern folders automatically adjusted, anyway. (?)

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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by otismo » February 14th, 2020, 3:36 pm

I am posting here because I am interested in releasing a Golly distro

That would include Golly and the Life Viewer as part of the Pattern Viewing/Playing Options

Typically Golly is the "Star" and the patterns are just whatever happens to be bundled along with

I want to host a download where the Patterns are the "Star", but have not found a Player that does Colors "Right"

Mirek's Celebration and George Maydwell's Author no longer work in my computer, and they did things with color, some simple things,

That I have YET to find in any modern, current player; but I had collected over 200 CGoL android apps.....

I would have to agree that the daunting thing is how to begin to organize it all

But one must begin from the user perspective

One kind of user may find a "conduit toolkit" usefull

While another may find a collection that most graphically illustrates all the different Rules more suited to his purpose...

I want something for the Average Person - John Q. Public

I am looking/qualifying for the biggest WoW Factor

Because my goal is to generate/promote interest and then build interest specifically in CGoL and CA in general.

So I welcome any input - does not have to be "noteworthy", and can even be "trivial"

In search of The Spectacular
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Post by dvgrn » February 14th, 2020, 4:34 pm

otismo wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 3:36 pm
I am posting here because I am interested in releasing a Golly distro

That would include Golly and the Life Viewer as part of the Pattern Viewing/Playing Options

Typically Golly is the "Star" and the patterns are just whatever happens to be bundled along with

I want to host a download where the Patterns are the "Star", but have not found a Player that does Colors "Right"

Mirek's Celebration and George Maydwell's Author no longer work in my computer, and they did things with color, some simple things,

That I have YET to find in any modern, current player; but I had collected over 200 CGoL android apps.....
Yup, I still miss George Maydwell's showy colorful Color Game of Life Visual Exhibition. I don't miss it so much now that LifeViewer is capable of doing very nearly all the same things, and a bunch of other stuff besides. But we don't yet have a big easy-to-find online showcase that's just one amazing LifeViewer pattern after another, or a page like CGOLVE's main exhibition page that brings up a tiling of different colorations of different random soups in different rules, every time you refresh the browser.

Instead, there are just a lot of odd corners of Lifespace like my animations for the G4G talk and occasional random waypoint scripts buried in seldom-visited forum threads.
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February 14th, 2020, 3:36 pm
I would have to agree that the daunting thing is how to begin to organize it all...
You're in luck, actually: the current development version of Golly now includes a script that renders the currently open pattern in LifeViewer, with waypoint scripts if any in full working order. This is a replacement for the old lifeviewer.lua -- LifeViewer has gotten too complex to be worth porting into Lua.

So the hard part is just getting the community to build a whole lot of waypoint scripts for the various Spectacular Patterns that fit in a LifeViewer grid, and maybe build a bunch more Spectacular Patterns for the specific purpose of showing off LifeViewer. We could easily make a larger "LifeViewer" collection available as an optional download.

Unfortunately this runs up against the old "who is going to bell the cat?" Aesop's fable. It's fairly time-consuming to build beautiful labeled scripted showcase patterns. Just have to start somewhere, I guess.

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Post by otismo » February 14th, 2020, 8:18 pm

trying to decide whether to build

A - a show room

OR

B - a model home

am leaning towards the model home because it will kill many birds with one stone -

and be the BEST option to attract Software Developers and other Humble Dudes of the Open Source.

BOTH A and B will feature demos on huge displays, but the Home-Of-The-Future will be built around the Entertainment Wall :

two-sided, one side for the Adults and the other side for the Children, and can be ANYTHING : Magnificent masonry encasing a massive

ten foot tall fireplace with a roaring fire inside, twenty foot tall stained glass windows on either side, an aquarium that is a virtual Window

into the Ocean on the mantle piece - and ALL OF IT is software. There will be insatiable user demand for all kinds of

customizations, and a standard bundle that is a full array of teasers to showcase the possibilities. The model home can easily be

incorporated into The Affordable CGoL Orlando Vacation, and we can have regularly scheduled CGoL shows,

right in your Home-Of-The-Future. Think : Bigger than Disney.

A carefully crafted curated credited commented Pattern Collection - and it would have to include EVERYTHING, or it would just be frustrating

to the very people who would want it, to begin with - is a Noble Goal, the Ultimate Goal - but one must strike whilst the iron is hot.

There is a tide in the affairs of men, which, when taken at the crest, may lead to a lot of really terrific surfing. The Patterns We are

interested in will attract interest and build interest. The Mona Lisa from one cell is trivial and not noteworthy To This Community

but it is EXACTLY the kind of thing we are after - stuff that will be Incredible, Fantastic, even Thrilling to the Average Citizen.

Just today in another Pattern Thread I found the Perfect FireCloud Pattern to kick off the FireCloud thread with.

I simply must diligently comb thru these Forums very carefully and systematically and even then I will miss some things so need

to be recursive in my efforts as well. Your efforts to have something for the Quinquagenary means that you are almost

finished to be on time; I have to take my time until I know I have something that will do a job. The efforts are not worth it unless

the results are forthcoming. Fortunately I will be able to build my best efforts on top of yours.

Thank You !

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That Life Viewer is your Trump Card, and I need to be learning it as well.

But I would like to see something that works in-browser that

does colors right. I may try to contact George Maydwell yet...
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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by otismo » February 16th, 2020, 12:13 pm

otismo wrote:
February 14th, 2020, 8:18 pm

That Life Viewer is your Trump Card, and I need to be learning it as well.

But I would like to see something that works in-browser that

does colors right. I may try to contact George Maydwell yet...
Here is the best one I have found to date :

online utility/demo

gol.zip
code in a zipfile-java-html-canvas-css
(41.25 KiB) Downloaded 217 times

java is not compiled but is crunched/compacted

it does have a randomizer tho, so next up is

loading or embedding a patternfile...

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Post by dvgrn » February 17th, 2020, 12:37 pm

otismo wrote:
February 16th, 2020, 12:13 pm
Here is the best one I have found to date :

online utility/demo
I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but just for the record, I've never been able to load pages consistently from your links. I usually just get
This page isn’t working
gol.jct.onl didn’t send any data.
ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
This is true for links posted a while ago, like these, as well as this current one.

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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by otismo » February 25th, 2020, 1:19 pm

dvgrn wrote:
February 17th, 2020, 12:37 pm
otismo wrote:
February 16th, 2020, 12:13 pm
Here is the best one I have found to date :

online utility/demo
I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but just for the record, I've never been able to load pages consistently from your links. I usually just get
This page isn’t working
gol.jct.onl didn’t send any data.
ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE
This is true for links posted a while ago, like these, as well as this current one.

I have the cheap cheap cheap and dirty AND unsecure hosting solution - my server is in Bulgaria - and is un-secure so Gremlins can -

and DO - interpose... Un-secure because it is a test to see what I am up against - and what I will require when "the rubber starts hitting the road"

from now on I will post original links as much as possible

https://www.tebs-lab.com/

https://tebs-game-of-life.com/

This is the good one ( another rule feeding CGoL - embedded in a webpage - software so you can DIY ) :

https://tebs-game-of-life.com/glidervil ... ville.html

Here is the other, "Colorful One" :

http://rafaelcosman.github.io/JSGameOfLife/
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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by dvgrn » February 25th, 2020, 2:29 pm

otismo wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 1:19 pm
This is the good one ( another rule feeding CGoL - embedded in a webpage - software so you can DIY ) :

https://tebs-game-of-life.com/glidervil ... ville.html
Wow! That one really is getting fairly close to being a potential replacement for George Maydwell's CGOLVE software. I like the gradual shading across the board.

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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by otismo » February 26th, 2020, 8:13 pm

dvgrn wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 2:29 pm
otismo wrote:
February 25th, 2020, 1:19 pm
This is the good one ( another rule feeding CGoL - embedded in a webpage - software so you can DIY ) :

https://tebs-game-of-life.com/glidervil ... ville.html
Wow! That one really is getting fairly close to being a potential replacement for George Maydwell's CGOLVE software. I like the gradual shading across the board.
since it has randomize - should be able to load/embed patterns - really like this one
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Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » March 2nd, 2020, 4:44 am

Should there be a StateInvestigator patterns in the Golly pattern collcetion?
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Post by Hunting » March 2nd, 2020, 6:58 am

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
March 2nd, 2020, 4:44 am
Should there be a StateInvestigator patterns in the Golly pattern collcetion?
I think yes.

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Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » March 2nd, 2020, 7:22 am

I'll make a zip file of things for the StateInvestigator part.

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Post by fluffykitty » March 4th, 2020, 12:48 am

I vote no since neither the similar but much older extendedlife nor any of its variants are included in Golly.

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Post by Moosey » March 4th, 2020, 8:10 am

fluffykitty wrote:
March 4th, 2020, 12:48 am
I vote no since neither the similar but much older extendedlife nor any of its variants are included in Golly.
I agree
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Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » March 12th, 2020, 7:42 am

So it's two against two
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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by Hunting » March 12th, 2020, 8:11 am

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
March 12th, 2020, 7:42 am
So it's two against two
Yea, two against two. Any other voters?

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Post by Moosey » March 12th, 2020, 8:21 am

Let me clarify my vote:
I'm neutral, but add Extendedlife + extendedlifefancy patterns if you have StateInvestigator
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Re: Golly's pattern collection

Post by Hunting » March 12th, 2020, 8:25 am

Moosey wrote:
March 12th, 2020, 8:21 am
Let me clarify my vote:
I'm neutral, but add Extendedlife + extendedlifefancy patterns if you have StateInvestigator
They could go with StateInvestigator: SI has every state EL and ELF hve

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