Suggested LifeWiki edits

[muzik]

What user rights group is required to be able to move pages without leaving a redirect?

[dvgrn]

What user rights group is required to be able to move pages without leaving a redirect?

The group that gives me that checkbox option is "administrator". Maybe "interface administrator" or "bureaucrat" would do the same, I'm not sure -- haven't investigated exactly what those groups are good for.

[GUYTU6J]

Eater 4 needs more example usage. I guess it's not limited to these pre-pulsar and honey farm hasslers

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x = 69, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
7bo7bo34b2o$6bobo5bobo32bobo$7bo7bo33bo$47b2ob4o$46bobobo2bo$46bobobo$
7b3o3b3o28b2o2bo$7bobo3bobo27bo4b2o$7b3o3b3o5b2o20b5o10b2o$22bo18b2o4b
o10bo$22bob2o14bo2b3o4b3o3bobo$21b2o2bo14b2obo5bo3bo2b2o$3b2o13bo4b2o
18bo4bo5bo7bo$2bobo13b5o17b3o5bo5bo5b3o$2bo13b2o4bo17bo7bo5bo4bo$b2o5b
2o7bo2b2o23b2o2bo3bo5bob2o$8b2o7bobo24bobo3b3o4b3o2bo$12bo2bobobo24bo
10bo4b2o$12b4ob2o24b2o10b5o$16bo36b2o4bo$14bobo37bo2b2o$14b2o36bobobo$
49bo2bobobo$49b4ob2o$53bo$51bobo$51b2o14$57b2o$57bobo$59bo$55b4ob2o$
55bo2bobobo$60bobo$42b2o16bo2b2o$41b4o14b2o4bo$40bobo2bo15b5o$40b2o2bo
bo8b3o3bo4b2o$45bobo6bo3bo5b2o2bo$47b2o4bo5bo5bob2o$46b3o4bo5bo5bo$45b
obo5bo5bo4b2o$45b2o7bo3bo$55b3o3$58b2o$58bo$59b3o$61bo!

[muzik]

What user rights group is required to be able to move pages without leaving a redirect?

The group that gives me that checkbox option is "administrator". Maybe "interface administrator" or "bureaucrat" would do the same, I'm not sure -- haven't investigated exactly what those groups are good for.

Certainly seems a tad excessive. On all the other wikis I remember having moved pages on, the option to not leave a redirect was always there for registered confirmed users. Could it be changed on the LifeWiki to trusted users? I doubt there'd be much abuse of it, especially seeing the community here isn't as big.

[Saka]

I'm thinking of putting all the test tube baby variants on the page for "test tube baby", under a "Variants" section. The former variant pages will have a redirect to "Test tube baby#Variants". Also, what is the etymology? I get the "test tube" part, but I'm not sure about "baby".

[dvgrn]

Also, what is the etymology? I get the "test tube" part, but I'm not sure about "baby".

"Baby" just because it's an unusually small test tube variant, apparently, and because "test tube baby" was a (more common?) phrase back in the day, when in vitro fertilization was a newer thing. I think the first human baby was born using in vitro fertilization in 1978, just a few years before the Life pattern was named. An old email by Alan Hensel has some details:

I found this pattern independently sometime around 1986. Since the
stretched versions look like test tubes, I called those Life in a test
tube, and the tiny version above was "test tube baby". It was so dubbed
in the pattern collection that was the precursor to the Xlife collection

[Saka]

"Baby" just because it's an unusually small test tube variant, apparently, and because "test tube baby" was a (more common?) phrase back in the day, when in vitro fertilization was a newer thing. I think the first human baby was born using in vitro fertilization in 1978, just a few years before the Life pattern was named.

That makes it clear. This whole time I was interpreting the "baby" part as an exclamation, something like, "Test tube, baby!" Like they were super excited about the discovery. Makes a lot more sense now.

Anyway, thoughts on merging all the test tube baby variants articles into the test tube baby article?

[muzik]

I'm pretty sure every single page title here can have protection removed:

https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Special:ProtectedTitles

Given that for most of them it's been a decade since they were ever a problem, and that the likelihood they would be created again today is basically zero, there's probably no risk in cleaning this page up.

[GUYTU6J]

In the p44 pi-heptomino hassler page, there is a red link to "p50 pi-heptomino hassler" that has been there since the creation of the page. I can't find it on the forums. What is it?
Btw can someone get access to pentadecathlon.com now? It was working when I edited the 2-glider collision page a week ago, but now I get

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(111) Connection refused
The remote host or network may be down. Please try the request again.

[dvgrn]

In the p44 pi-heptomino hassler page, there is a red link to "p50 pi-heptomino hassler" that has been there since the creation of the page. I can't find it on the forums. What is it?

Seems like it must be the old engine from the p50 glider gun. I think the latest incarnation is this:

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x = 110, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
3b2ob2o$4bobo$4bo2b3o16bo3b2o3b2o49bo3b2o3b2o$2o3bobo2bo13b3o4bo4bo47b
3o4bo4bo$o3b2o4b3o10bo6bo3bo48bo6bo3bo$2bo3bo6bo9b2o5b2o2b2o47b2o5b2o
2b2o$b5o6b2o18bobo2bo54bobo2bo$4bo27bo3b2o54bo3b2o$b3o29bo13b2o12b2o
30bo13b2o$bo2bo27b2o8b2o4bo12bo4b2o24b2o8b2o4bo$2b3o6b2o24b2o3bo2b3o
14b3o2bo3b2o24b2o3bo2b3o$11b2o24b2o4bobo18bobo4b2o24b2o4bobo$4b3o35b2o
22b2o34b2o$3bo2bo14b2o4b2o12bo3bo2bo12bo2bo3bo12b2o4b2o12bo3bo2bo$3b3o
14bobo4bobo12b7o12b7o12bobo4bobo12b7o$6bo13bo8bo13bo22bo13bo8bo13bo$b
7o12bobo4bobo14b3o16b3o14bobo4bobo14b3o$bo2bo3bo12b2o4b2o14bo2bo16bo2b
o14b2o4b2o14bo2bo$6b2o35b3o18b3o36b3o$4bobo4b2o24b2o32b2o24b2o$2b3o2bo
3b2o24b2o6b3o14b3o6b2o24b2o6b3o$bo4b2o8b2o27bo2bo12bo2bo11b2o27bo2bo$b
2o13bo29b3o12b3o12bo29b3o$12b2o3bo27bo18bo7b2o3bo27bo$12bo2bobo18b2o6b
5o12b5o6bo2bobo18b2o6b5o$14b2o2b2o5b2o9bo6bo3bo14bo3bo7b2o2b2o16bo6bo
3bo$15bo3bo6bo10b3o4b2o3bo10bo3b2o9bo3bo17b3o4b2o3bo$13bo4bo4b3o13bo2b
obo3b2o10b2o3bobo5bo4bo20bo2bobo3b2o$13b2o3b2o3bo16b3o2bo18bo2b3o3b2o
3b2o4bo15b3o2bo$43bobo18b2o4bo12bobo17bobo$42b2ob2o22b2o13bo11bo5b2ob
2o$94bobo$95b2o!

For a long time it was only pseudo-p50, supported by tricks like this:

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x = 112, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
32b2o6b2o28b2o6b2o$26bob2obobo6bobob2obo16bob2obobo6bobob2obo$26b2obob
o10bobob2o16b2obobo10bobob2o$32bo8bo28bo8bo$31b2o8b2o26b2o8b2o$31b4o4b
4o8b2o6b2o8b4o4b4o$34bo4bo11b2o6b2o11bo4bo$34b6o32b6o2$29b2o12b2o7bo6b
o7b2o12b2o$6bo2bo19b2ob2o6b2ob2o6b3o4b3o6b2ob2o6b2ob2o19bo2bo$5bob2obo
22b8o9b2o2bo2bo2b2o9b8o22bob2obo$6bo2bo24b6o10b2o2bo2bo2b2o10b6o24bo2b
o$6bo2bo25b4o11bo3bo2bo3bo11b4o25bo2bo$5bob2obo38b2obo6bob2o38bob2obo$
6bo2bo32b2o5b3o8b3o5b2o32bo2bo$42b2o24b2o$12b3o82b3o$2o46bo14bo46b2o$o
2b3o4bo5bo20bo8bob3o10b3obo8bo20bo5bo4b3o2bo$b2o7bo5bo5bo12b2ob2o4b2o
5b2o6b2o5b2o4b2ob2o12bo5bo5bo7b2o$6bo3bo5bo3b2ob2o12bo8bob3o10b3obo8bo
12b2ob2o3bo5bo3bo$6bo15bo25bo14bo25bo15bo$b2o9b3o82b3o9b2o$o2b3o36b2o
24b2o36b3o2bo$2o40b2o5b3o8b3o5b2o40b2o$49b2obo6bob2o$35b4o11bo3bo2bo3b
o11b4o$34b6o10b2o2bo2bo2b2o10b2o3b2o$33b8o9b2o2bo2bo2b2o9bo6b2o13bo3b
2o$29b2ob2o6b2ob2o6b3o4b3o14bobob2o10b3o2bobo$29b2o12b2o5b3o6bo13bo6b
2obo6bo3b3o$49b2o22b3o7bob4o2bobo3bo$34b6o10bo25b2o2b2ob3o5bobo2bobo$
34bo4bo7b3o29bob3o4bob2obo2bobo$31b4o4b4o4bo20b2o3bo2b2ob2ob3o4b2o2b2o
b2ob2o$31b2o8b2o25bobo3bo2bo6bobo2bo4bob2o3bo$32bo8bo10b2o4bo11bo4bobo
5bo2b4ob3o4b3o$26b2obobo10bobob2o4b2o4bo11b2obobob2o5b2o4bo3b4o$26bob
2obobo6bobob2obo23bob2o7bobo2b2o2bo2bo3bo$32b2o6b2o29bo10b2o2b2ob2o6b
2o$70b2o$54b2o$53bobo6bo$53bo9bo$52b2o7b3o!

I've temporarily lost track of where the new p10 support came from. Anyone have a link handy? EDIT: Okay, Kazyan figured out how to patch in a sparker found by Bullet51.

[HartmutHolzwart]

I've seen a lot of deletion proposals to Life Wiki articles by GUYTU6J.

My proposal would be to not blindly follow them. E.g. the 3c/10 pi reaction ist not only used in some growing spaceship pattern, but it is also one of the longest outstanding engineering tasks to create a spaceship from that reaction. While these efforts weren't successfulso far, they still have inspired other projects.

It's good to have guiding principles for notability, but it's not good to follow them purely formal. The same goes for netiquette in general, by the way.

[GUYTU6J]

I've seen a lot of deletion proposals to Life Wiki articles by GUYTU6J.

My proposal would be to not blindly follow them. E.g. the 3c/10 pi reaction ist not only used in some growing spaceship pattern, but it is also one of the longest outstanding engineering tasks to create a spaceship from that reaction. While these efforts weren't successfulso far, they still have inspired other projects.

It's good to have guiding principles for notability, but it's not good to follow them purely formal. The same goes for netiquette in general, by the way.

I'm not proposing deleting the article 3c/10 pi wave itself; the point is to delete the low-quality and redundant image file. (EDIT: Now I know why there's confusion - the semi-automated edit reason said "proposed deletion because not notable&not used elsewhere". My bad)
(Am I ma to dive into the pages and find those?)

[HartmutHolzwart]

ah! Good to know! Of course this was not meant personally in any way! Most of your proposals I would underwrite immediately. However other people might have a different opinion. Even if it was copied from LifeLexicon, there was a reason why it was there originally, which might still be valid or maybe no longer.

I just wanted to point out that

a) deletions should not be implemented too quickly
b) rules should not be applied blindly
c) not every wiki reader is an active wiki editor, but may have a strong opinion nevertheless

I very much have that in my professional life anyway...

[LuxiusGOL]

Silverfish Image (how do you post it)

[yujh]

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 #N 4-degree MWSS-to-G
#O Ivan Fomichev, 14 October 2015
#C http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/445-degree_MWSS-to-G
#C http://www.conwaylife.com/patterns/45degreemwsstog.rle
x = 28, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
14bob2o4bo$14b2obo3bobo$21bobo$12b5o3b2ob3o$11bo2bo2bo8bo$11b2o3b2o2b
2ob3o$21bobo$27bo$25b3o$2bo21bo$o3bo19b2o$5bo$o4bo$b5o2$21b2o$20bo2bo$
21b2o$13b2o$12bobo$12bo$11b2o$24b2o$24bo$25b3o$27bo!

Why using boat, not tub?(this is the viewer in wiki)
And this use snake(pattern file) https://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/45-degree_MWSS-to-G
Edit:
I can understand why this uses snake, bounding box

[GUYTU6J]

May 6: Goldtiger997 solves the problem of glider-constructing all pseudo still lifes consisting of...

However the link "pseudo" goes to the page for pseudo-period guns.
Suggestion: redirect "object" to pattern and write about the concept of object, true object and pseudo object there, then give "true" and "pseudo" disambiguation pages.

[dvgrn]

May 6: Goldtiger997 solves the problem of glider-constructing all pseudo still lifes consisting of...

...the link "pseudo" goes to the page for pseudo-period guns.

Oops. Repaired this. There's a "pseudo" section under the "still life" article.

[GUYTU6J]

Can we adjust the LV:Viewer template so that its location in a page can be modified? For example,

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{{LV:Viewer|center|...}}

will make the viewer appear at the centre (default setting now is left).

EDIT one year later: the typical solution is

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<center>{{LV:Viewer|...}}</center>

[GUYTU6J]

Help! I made myself troubles.
I noticed that in the File:Nivasch caterpillar.gif by User:AwesoMan3000, the tail of caterpillar is missing. Gabriel's original website displays two gifs together, namely cat_picture01.gif and cat_picture02.gif, but the previous version contains cat_picture01.gif only. So I downloaded two gifs, combined them manually with MSpaint, and uploaded to Lifewiki. Then both the page for File:Nivasch_caterpillar.gif and the article for caterpillar threw a bunch of errors at the top of the page. It went something like:

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Warning: imagecreatefromgif(): '/home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/images/9/94/Nivasch_caterpillar.gif' is not a valid GIF file in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 452

Warning: imagesx() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagesy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagecopyresized() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagedestroy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 495

Warning: imagecreatefromgif(): '/home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/images/9/94/Nivasch_caterpillar.gif' is not a valid GIF file in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 452

Warning: imagesx() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagesy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagecopyresized() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagedestroy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 495

Warning: imagecreatefromgif(): '/home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/images/9/94/Nivasch_caterpillar.gif' is not a valid GIF file in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 452

Warning: imagesx() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagesy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagecopyresized() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagedestroy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 495

Warning: imagecreatefromgif(): '/home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/images/9/94/Nivasch_caterpillar.gif' is not a valid GIF file in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 452

Warning: imagesx() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagesy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagecopyresized() expects parameter 2 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 472

Warning: imagedestroy() expects parameter 1 to be resource, boolean given in /home/njohns01home/webapps/conwaylife/w/includes/media/BitmapHandler.php on line 495

And the file seems to be not updated. For the record, this is my modified version of the gif:

cat_picture01.gif (199.79 KiB) Viewed 5866 times

[dvgrn]

Help! I made myself troubles.

I didn't get as far as really understanding the problem. One crackpot theory is that the MediaWiki GIF-handling code doesn't like GIFs above a certain height, and so labels them as invalid. (?) Not sure if that's actually true, but GIFs generated by two different systems both caused the same error.

My workaround was to make a more standard black-and-white PNG file of your Caterpillar image, and display that instead. It's still not particularly nice to look at, but short of putting a DISPLAYONLY copy of the pattern into LifeViewer, I'm not sure what the best solution would be. Using LifeViewer doesn't seem like such a good idea, because people might copy out the reduced-scale pattern into Golly and expect it to be runnable...!

[bubblegum]

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#N 4-degree MWSS-to-G
#O Ivan Fomichev, 14 October 2015
#C http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/445-degree_MWSS-to-G
#C http://www.conwaylife.com/patterns/45degreemwsstog.rle
x = 28, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
14bob2o4bo$14b2obo3bobo$21bobo$12b5o3b2ob3o$11bo2bo2bo8bo$11b2o3b2o2b
2ob3o$21bobo$27bo$25b3o$2bo21bo$o3bo19b2o$5bo$o4bo$b5o2$21b2o$20bo2bo$
21b2o$13b2o$12bobo$12bo$11b2o$24b2o$24bo$25b3o$27bo!

Why using boat, not tub?(this is the viewer in wiki)

Maybe because slmake can only construct the boat on bookend siamese bookend variant shown in the infobox and not the tub on bookend siamese bookend, I don't know

Also I don't remember anything called "4-degree MWSS-to-G" or "445-degree MWSS-to-G"
EDIT: and the cell missing from the eater 2

[dvgrn]

Also I don't remember anything called "4-degree MWSS-to-G" or "445-degree MWSS-to-G"...

No idea how that happened, but I've patched it up. (Took me a couple of tries -- the .cells file was wrong too.)

[Hunting]

A period-18 oscillator, Unix on snacker, can be constructed from two sparkers (unix and snacker) both of which were known by 1976. However, this type of oscillator is generally considered "boring", and thus not counted despite technically being non-trivial.

I don't see the point. Unix on snacker is a perfectly valid p18.

[GUYTU6J]

A period-18 oscillator, Unix on snacker, can be constructed from two sparkers (unix and snacker) both of which were known by 1976. However, this type of oscillator is generally considered "boring", and thus not counted despite technically being non-trivial.

I don't see the point. Unix on snacker is a perfectly valid p18.

The concept of non-trivial (your "valid") and boring are different.

[Hunting]

A period-18 oscillator, Unix on snacker, can be constructed from two sparkers (unix and snacker) both of which were known by 1976. However, this type of oscillator is generally considered "boring", and thus not counted despite technically being non-trivial.

I don't see the point. Unix on snacker is a perfectly valid p18.

The concept of non-trivial (your "valid") and boring are different.

Yeah, but the problem is "and thus not counted". If Unix on snacker is known by 1976, how is 117P18 "the first period 18 oscillator to be found"?