Pattern viewer for forum threads

[gameoflifemaniac]

Which platform and browser are you using?

Google Chrome 83.0.4103.116 64-bit.

On Windows?

The viewer runs twice as slow for the first pattern launched after loading a page.

Also this, which wasn't fixed since an eternity.
30fps 15% But it should be 60fps 20%.

I can't reproduce it. Do you see that behaviour in other browsers?

No.

[rowett]

I can't reproduce it. Do you see that behaviour in other browsers?

No.

Then it's most likely a Chrome bug, not a LifeViewer issue.

[dvgrn]

Here's something interesting that came up on Discord this morning. I thought it was happening only on my computer, but others are seeing the same thing:

1) Go to a forum page. I'm using Windows 10, Google Chrome 83.0.4103.116; the problem doesn't happen on IE, Edge, or Firefox, or at least not reliably.
2) Select part of the RLE text in a code box. Works fine.
3) Click "Show in Viewer".
4) Click the X to close the pop-up window.
5) Select part of the RLE text in a code box again. Click-and-drag no longer works. Select All still works. Click, then Shift+arrow keys also works.

Saka reports that even if you don't open the viewer, click-and-drag selection works at first but stops working after a while.

Not sure I like this most recent series of Chrome updates. Subtle and annoying things have also been breaking in some Microsoft cloud applications that I have to deal with daily.

[muzik]

Minor random suggestion: Identify's results should allow you to copy to clipboard a loop or trackloop command to follow the speed and direction of an identified ship, or period of an oscillator (alternatively it could be added to the top of the RLE within the post, since Randomize is already capable of replacing RLEs).

[rowett]

Hard refresh your browser to view.

Tripod:

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#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 1 STEP 2 ]] Type or paste RLE data into this box and click on the View button.
x = 64, y = 64, rule = B012/S02HT:T512
bob2o2bo2b10o2bob2o2bo2b3o2bob4obob2ob2o5b2o6bo$3b4o5b4ob3o2bo2b2o4bo
bo2bobo3bobo2b2obo3b3obo2bo$2bobo3b2ob3ob6ob2o2b10obobo4b2ob3o3bo3bo3b
obo$2ob3ob5o3b3ob3o2b3o2bob3ob2o2b2o4b3ob4obo2b2obobo$5o2b2obobob2o2b
2ob2o3b2o2bo2bobo5bob2o3b3ob5o4b2o$2bo2bobo2bo2bob2ob4o3bobobo2b3ob2o
bo3bo3b2o2b4o4bobo$2ob2o3bob5ob2ob2obo2bo3bo3bobob4o7b4obo4bo2b3o$o2b
ob3ob3obob2ob3o2b2obobob3o5bobobo3b2ob4obobobo3bo$2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2b4o2b
o2b2ob3o2bo4b2obobobob2o5bo4b3obo$b8o9b2o2bobo4b2obob2o2b4obobobob2ob
5o2b4o$obob4o6b3o2bobob14o2b2obobo2b4o2b2o3bob4o$2ob2obo2bo2bob2ob2o2b
2obo2bob2o2b5o2bo5bo2b3obobo4bob2o$2b2o2b2obo3bo5bob2o4b4o5b3obo3bob4o
5bo2bobobo$bobob3obo2b2o2b2o6b3ob2ob5ob2o2b3obo2bobo2bo3bo3b2o$4b5o2b
o3bo2b5o2b3ob2ob2ob2obob4o2bob3ob2ob9o$b2o2b2o4bo2bob3o3bo3bo2b7o2b3o
b3o2bo2bobo2b3o4b2o$2ob3obob2ob2o3b9o2bo2bo2b3obo2bo2b2o6b4ob2o2bo$4o
2b2o2bo7b10o3b3o2bob2obobo3b2o6b2ob2o$4o3bob2o2b3obobo2b4obo4b4ob2o5b
4o2bobob2o5b3o$5o6bob2obob2ob4obobobobo2b2o2b3o2bob2ob3o2bobo$2b3o2bo
bo2bo4b5ob4obob3ob2obob2o3bobob2obo4bobo3bo$bob2ob2ob2o4b3o7b2o4b4obo
2b3ob3obo2bobo6b4o$4b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2obo2bob2o2bo2bob3obobobo2bob2ob7ob
o2bobo$2ob4ob2ob3obo6b2o3bob2ob2o3bob2ob2ob2obo2b4obo3bo2bo$b3obob4ob
2ob3o2b5obo4b2o2bobo4b2o2bobobob3obo2bo$o2bobo3bo2bob2obo2b3o2b2obobo
5b5o2b4obobob4obob5o$4b2obo2b2o2bo4b3o3bobob3obo2bobob3o2b2o4bo2b3o2b
o3bo$3b5o4b6ob2o4b2o3bobo3b2o3b4ob2o4b3o4bo2b2o$b2o5b2o3bo2bob4ob2o4b
4obob4obob2obo2b10ob4o$3b2o2b4obo4b3ob3obobobo6b2ob4o3bobobo2b3ob3obo
$5obo2bo4b4obo4bo2b3obobobo3bobob3ob3obob2ob2o5bo$bo2bob4ob2ob2obo3b2o
b5o3b2obo7bo3b3obo2b2ob2obob2o$o2b5ob4ob2o3bob2o7b2o3b2obobob3o6b2o3b
2o2b2obo$2b2o2bob2obobo6bob3o3bo2b4o4b2o7bo4bob2o2b3o$2o2bobo3b2o3b2o
bo2bob3o4bo2bobo2bo4b4o2bo2bob2ob4obo$b3obob3obo3b2o4b5obob2o2bob2o3b
5o2bobob2o3bob2obobo$6bo3b2obo2bo3bobo5b2o3bo2bo3b2o2bob4ob2o2b2o2b4o
$o5bo2bo2b2o2bo4bo3bo6bo2b2o3bo4b3o3b2ob3ob2obobo$bobob4obo3b4o3b2obo
b2ob4o2bo3bo2bob2o2b4o3b2ob2o$2b4obo6b2ob2obobobo4bobobo5b4o3b2ob2obo
b2o2bob2o$o4b3obob2obob2o2b3obobob4obobob3ob2ob2o4bo3b2o2bobo$4b2o4bo
4b3o2bobo3bobobo2b3ob6o5bobo2b2ob2obo3bo$2b3o2bob2o2bob3o2b2o5bobobob
ob2o6b5obob2o2b5ob2o$ob4ob2obob2o4b5o2b2obob4ob2o2b2o2b3o2b2o3bo8b2o$
3bo3b3obob2o5bo2bobo2b2o2bob2ob2o2bob2ob3obobobo4bo$o3bo2b3ob2o2b2obo
bo11b2o3b2obo3b5obo2bobo5b3o$4o3bo3b3ob4o8b2o2b2obo2b3ob3o3bob2o2bob2o
5bo$b6o2b2o3bobobobo3b3o2b2o2b2o3bo6bob2obo2bo2bo3b3o$b2o2b2o4b8obo3b
3ob3o4b2o3b4ob4obob2o2b2o3bo$3obob3o2bo9b2ob2ob3o3b2o5b2o8bo6bobob2o$
2o10b2ob2o2bob2ob3obo2b2ob4o3b2obo6bobob3o3b2o$o4b3ob2o5bo2b3o2b2o4bo
2bo2bobo2bob2o2b2o4bo3b4ob2o$ob5ob2ob2ob2o2b4ob4ob2ob3ob2o5b3ob2o2bob
2ob2ob2obobo$3obob2ob7o2b2obo4bobo5b4obobob7obob3obo5bo$4o2bobo4bobo3b
5o4bo2bo2bob2ob2o2bo3b3o2b2ob3o4bo$2bobo2bob2o2b8o12bob2o7bo2b2ob3o3b
ob3o$3bobo5b3ob3ob4o4bobobob5o5bo3b2o3bo2bob2obobo$3bobobob2obob2o2bo
b2o5bobo2bobobob4ob4o3bob9obo$2b4obo2bo2bo2bob2obob2o3bobo7bob2o2b2o2b
o2b3obo2bobobo$4b2o4b3o2bo3bo2bo2bobo2bobo3bobo7bobobobo5bob2obo$3o3b
2obob3o2bob3obobo3b3o3b5o3bo2b3o7b2o4bo$obo2b2o4bob3ob2ob2o3bob2ob3o2b
2o3b3o2b2obob2obo2bo6bo$b2ob7o3b2o3b3ob4ob4o2b2o3bo4bo2b2o2bob2o4bo$b
2o4bo4bo2bo3bo3b11o7b2obobobobobo2b2ob2o2bo!

FarCorners:

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x = 29, y = 23, rule=R2,C2,S2-3,B3,N@891891
2bobo4b3o$3obo4bob2o$3b3o3b2obo$2bo7b2o$2bo7b2o9$2b3o9b2o9bo2bo$4o21b4o$o5bo5b2o2b2o$3b4o18b4o$2b3o9b2o10b2o$25b4o$14b2o9bo2bo$14b2o$14b2o$14b2o!

[rowett]

Some suggestions for neighbourhoods for HROT and rulespaces to be added:

Arbitary neighbourhoods maybe with something like the CoordCA format?

Done. Specify as a neighbourhood to an LtL/HROT rule using N@<hex digits>. The R2 FarCorners rule becomes:

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R2,C2,S2-3,B3,N@891891

[lemon41625]

Some suggestions for neighbourhoods for HROT and rulespaces to be added:

Arbitary neighbourhoods maybe with something like the CoordCA format?

Done. Specify as a neighbourhood to an LtL/HROT rule using N@<hex digits>. The R2 FarCorners rule becomes:

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R2,C2,S2-3,B3,N@891891

Same issue as before

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x = 64, y = 64, rule = R2,C3,S2-3,B3,N@891891
bob2o2bo2b10o2bob2o2bo2b3o2bob4obob2ob2o5b2o6bo$3b4o5b4ob3o2bo2b2o4bo
bo2bobo3bobo2b2obo3b3obo2bo$2bobo3b2ob3ob6ob2o2b10obobo4b2ob3o3bo3bo3b
obo$2ob3ob5o3b3ob3o2b3o2bob3ob2o2b2o4b3ob4obo2b2obobo$5o2b2obobob2o2b
2ob2o3b2o2bo2bobo5bob2o3b3ob5o4b2o$2bo2bobo2bo2bob2ob4o3bobobo2b3ob2o
bo3bo3b2o2b4o4bobo$2ob2o3bob5ob2ob2obo2bo3bo3bobob4o7b4obo4bo2b3o$o2b
ob3ob3obob2ob3o2b2obobob3o5bobobo3b2ob4obobobo3bo$2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2b4o2b
o2b2ob3o2bo4b2obobobob2o5bo4b3obo$b8o9b2o2bobo4b2obob2o2b4obobobob2ob
5o2b4o$obob4o6b3o2bobob14o2b2obobo2b4o2b2o3bob4o$2ob2obo2bo2bob2ob2o2b
2obo2bob2o2b5o2bo5bo2b3obobo4bob2o$2b2o2b2obo3bo5bob2o4b4o5b3obo3bob4o
5bo2bobobo$bobob3obo2b2o2b2o6b3ob2ob5ob2o2b3obo2bobo2bo3bo3b2o$4b5o2b
o3bo2b5o2b3ob2ob2ob2obob4o2bob3ob2ob9o$b2o2b2o4bo2bob3o3bo3bo2b7o2b3o
b3o2bo2bobo2b3o4b2o$2ob3obob2ob2o3b9o2bo2bo2b3obo2bo2b2o6b4ob2o2bo$4o
2b2o2bo7b10o3b3o2bob2obobo3b2o6b2ob2o$4o3bob2o2b3obobo2b4obo4b4ob2o5b
4o2bobob2o5b3o$5o6bob2obob2ob4obobobobo2b2o2b3o2bob2ob3o2bobo$2b3o2bo
bo2bo4b5ob4obob3ob2obob2o3bobob2obo4bobo3bo$bob2ob2ob2o4b3o7b2o4b4obo
2b3ob3obo2bobo6b4o$4b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2obo2bob2o2bo2bob3obobobo2bob2ob7ob
o2bobo$2ob4ob2ob3obo6b2o3bob2ob2o3bob2ob2ob2obo2b4obo3bo2bo$b3obob4ob
2ob3o2b5obo4b2o2bobo4b2o2bobobob3obo2bo$o2bobo3bo2bob2obo2b3o2b2obobo
5b5o2b4obobob4obob5o$4b2obo2b2o2bo4b3o3bobob3obo2bobob3o2b2o4bo2b3o2b
o3bo$3b5o4b6ob2o4b2o3bobo3b2o3b4ob2o4b3o4bo2b2o$b2o5b2o3bo2bob4ob2o4b
4obob4obob2obo2b10ob4o$3b2o2b4obo4b3ob3obobobo6b2ob4o3bobobo2b3ob3obo
$5obo2bo4b4obo4bo2b3obobobo3bobob3ob3obob2ob2o5bo$bo2bob4ob2ob2obo3b2o
b5o3b2obo7bo3b3obo2b2ob2obob2o$o2b5ob4ob2o3bob2o7b2o3b2obobob3o6b2o3b
2o2b2obo$2b2o2bob2obobo6bob3o3bo2b4o4b2o7bo4bob2o2b3o$2o2bobo3b2o3b2o
bo2bob3o4bo2bobo2bo4b4o2bo2bob2ob4obo$b3obob3obo3b2o4b5obob2o2bob2o3b
5o2bobob2o3bob2obobo$6bo3b2obo2bo3bobo5b2o3bo2bo3b2o2bob4ob2o2b2o2b4o
$o5bo2bo2b2o2bo4bo3bo6bo2b2o3bo4b3o3b2ob3ob2obobo$bobob4obo3b4o3b2obo
b2ob4o2bo3bo2bob2o2b4o3b2ob2o$2b4obo6b2ob2obobobo4bobobo5b4o3b2ob2obo
b2o2bob2o$o4b3obob2obob2o2b3obobob4obobob3ob2ob2o4bo3b2o2bobo$4b2o4bo
4b3o2bobo3bobobo2b3ob6o5bobo2b2ob2obo3bo$2b3o2bob2o2bob3o2b2o5bobobob
ob2o6b5obob2o2b5ob2o$ob4ob2obob2o4b5o2b2obob4ob2o2b2o2b3o2b2o3bo8b2o$
3bo3b3obob2o5bo2bobo2b2o2bob2ob2o2bob2ob3obobobo4bo$o3bo2b3ob2o2b2obo
bo11b2o3b2obo3b5obo2bobo5b3o$4o3bo3b3ob4o8b2o2b2obo2b3ob3o3bob2o2bob2o
5bo$b6o2b2o3bobobobo3b3o2b2o2b2o3bo6bob2obo2bo2bo3b3o$b2o2b2o4b8obo3b
3ob3o4b2o3b4ob4obob2o2b2o3bo$3obob3o2bo9b2ob2ob3o3b2o5b2o8bo6bobob2o$
2o10b2ob2o2bob2ob3obo2b2ob4o3b2obo6bobob3o3b2o$o4b3ob2o5bo2b3o2b2o4bo
2bo2bobo2bob2o2b2o4bo3b4ob2o$ob5ob2ob2ob2o2b4ob4ob2ob3ob2o5b3ob2o2bob
2ob2ob2obobo$3obob2ob7o2b2obo4bobo5b4obobob7obob3obo5bo$4o2bobo4bobo3b
5o4bo2bo2bob2ob2o2bo3b3o2b2ob3o4bo$2bobo2bob2o2b8o12bob2o7bo2b2ob3o3b
ob3o$3bobo5b3ob3ob4o4bobobob5o5bo3b2o3bo2bob2obobo$3bobobob2obob2o2bo
b2o5bobo2bobobob4ob4o3bob9obo$2b4obo2bo2bo2bob2obob2o3bobo7bob2o2b2o2b
o2b3obo2bobobo$4b2o4b3o2bo3bo2bo2bobo2bobo3bobo7bobobobo5bob2obo$3o3b
2obob3o2bob3obobo3b3o3b5o3bo2b3o7b2o4bo$obo2b2o4bob3ob2ob2o3bob2ob3o2b
2o3b3o2b2obob2obo2bo6bo$b2ob7o3b2o3b3ob4ob4o2b2o3bo4bo2b2o2bob2o4bo$b
2o4bo4bo2bo3bo3b11o7b2obobobobobo2b2ob2o2bo!

[rowett]

Same issue as before

Fixed, thanks!

[muzik]

Exciting new frontiers!

How about Tripod as a HROT neighbourhood type (called N3)? The extension being as follows:

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x = 27, y = 9, rule = B/S0123456H
22bo$13bo8bo$6bo6bo8bo$bo4bo6bo8bo$2o2b3o3b4o4b5o$2bo4bo6bo8bo$8bo6bo
8bo$16bo8bo$26bo!

Also the Asterisk neighbourhood I proposed earlier could be implemented as NA as to not conflict with the existing N*

[bubblegum]

Request: If a rule has an alias, could it not be displayed by default in the rule change dialog?

And a question: What if there was a rule, with 30 pages in its thread, with immense discussion taking progress, with Demonoid construction in process, with two minor variants that both have aliases in LV? Now what if that rule didn't have a LV alias? Sounds stupid, right?

Wait a second...

[rowett]

How about Tripod as a HROT neighbourhood type (called N3)?

Also the Asterisk neighbourhood I proposed earlier could be implemented as NA as to not conflict with the existing N*

Done.

[rowett]

Request: If a rule has an alias, could it not be displayed by default in the rule change dialog?

It does:

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x = 1, y = 1, rule=HighLife
o!

Click on Settings->Pattern->Change Rule and the dialog will have "HighLife" in it.

[bubblegum]

Request: If a rule has an alias, could it not be displayed by default in the rule change dialog?

It does:

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x = 1, y = 1, rule = HighLife
o!

Click on Settings->Pattern->Change Rule and the dialog will have "HighLife" in it.

...that's a request.

[muzik]

Can the hexagonal grid be changed so that the flat side points up and down, rather than a vertex? It's kinda weird to have the tripod neighbourhood not be symmetric through horizontal reflection like all the others are.

[rowett]

Can the hexagonal grid be changed so that the flat side points up and down, rather than a vertex? It's kinda weird to have the tripod neighbourhood not be symmetric through horizontal reflection like all the others are.

No.

[muzik]

Another suggestion: a way to convert a selected pattern into the CoordCA custom neighbourhood format, instead of having to manually convert it.

[rowett]

Another suggestion: a way to convert a selected pattern into the CoordCA custom neighbourhood format, instead of having to manually convert it.

Done. Create a selection and then use Ctrl-B.

[muzik]

It doesnt seem to work right for this pattern

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x = 11, y = 11, rule = bs0
5bo2$bo7bo5$o9bo3$3bo3bo!

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x = 9, y = 5, rule = R5,C2,S1,3,5,7,B1,3,5,7,N@[quote then paste the resulting string over this]
o!

(edit: it works now, that was odd...)

Also a suggestion: could appending H or T to the resulting string make it appear as a hex or triangular grid for a more clear presentation of neighbourhoods intended for these rules?

Also a button for the ctrl b function (as well as for advance and advance outside) in the selection menu would be welcome.

[rowett]

Also a suggestion: could appending H or T to the resulting string make it appear as a hex or triangular grid for a more clear presentation of neighbourhoods intended for these rules?

Yes to "H".
No to "T" since LtL/HROT doesn't support inverting neighbourhoods on a checkerboard.

Also a button for the ctrl b function (as well as for advance and advance outside) in the selection menu would be welcome.

Noted. It's on the backlog.

[rowett]

Hard refresh your browser to view.

Custom neighbourhood on hex grid:

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# Type or paste RLE data into this box and click on the View button.
x = 5, y = 5, rule = R1,C2,S3-4,B2,5-6,N@dbH
o2$bo$b2o$o3bo!

[muzik]

Since we got Tri6inner and Tri6outer added recently, can the following triangular neighbourhood (possibly "LA" for Triangular All) also be added?

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x = 8, y = 5, rule = B/SL
$b7o$2b2ob2o$3b3o$4bo!
[[ VIEWONLY GRID ]]

[rowett]

... can the following triangular neighbourhood (possibly "LA" for Triangular All) also be added?

Only if I decide to add Triangular neighbourhood support to the HROT/LtL algo. The current tile-based Triangular algo can't support it since it's effectively range 3.

[dvgrn]

This post seems to imply some kind of difference between spherical bounded grids in LifeViewer vs. Golly.

[bubblegum]

This post seems to imply some kind of difference between spherical bounded grids in LifeViewer vs. Golly.

and this post confirms it. No changes needed here.

[ColorfulGalaxy]

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x = 0, y = 0, rule = WireWorld
.ACB$B3.A$C3.C$A3.B$.BCA.32A!   ------   Signal Gun & Eater

Click "Show in viewer", then the gear at the corner, then "Pattern", then "Identify".
Next, mouse over the "0 | 44 | 44".

This happens for basically all WireWorld patterns!!!