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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by rowett » June 10th, 2021, 12:26 pm

cgoler2 wrote:
June 10th, 2021, 11:23 am
Is there any way to stop [[KILLGLIDERS]] from killing the glider that hits the LWSS and becomes a block in the twin hat modification soup?
Please post the pattern (or a link to it).

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by cgoler2 » June 10th, 2021, 12:55 pm

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbobboobbooobbbb$
oobbbobobobobbob$
bbbobobbobbobbbo$
ooooboooobbbbobb$
ooboooobobboobbo$
ooobbbooooboooob$
bbbbbooobbboboob$
oobboobbobbooobo$
boobboooboooobbb$
obobbobbobobbboo$
boobbooboboobboo$
obobbooooobobobb$
oobbbbboobbobooo$
bbooobobobbbbbbb$
bbbooboobboooboo$
boooobbooobobooo!
EDIT by dvgrn: versus

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbobboobbooobbbb$
oobbbobobobobbob$
bbbobobbobbobbbo$
ooooboooobbbbobb$
ooboooobobboobbo$
ooobbbooooboooob$
bbbbbooobbboboob$
oobboobbobbooobo$
boobboooboooobbb$
obobbobbobobbboo$
boobbooboboobboo$
obobbooooobobobb$
oobbbbboobbobooo$
bbooobobobbbbbbb$
bbbooboobboooboo$
boooobbooobobooo!

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by rowett » June 10th, 2021, 1:29 pm

Fixed in build 633. Thanks for reporting!

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by cgoler2 » June 10th, 2021, 2:17 pm

Why does

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
bo$o$3o2$o!
become

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3$o2b4!
when it should be

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
!
?

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by rowett » June 10th, 2021, 4:02 pm

cgoler2 wrote:
June 10th, 2021, 2:17 pm
Why does...
I don't understand the question.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by Sokwe » June 11th, 2021, 12:16 am

cgoler2 wrote:
June 10th, 2021, 2:17 pm
Why does

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
bo$o$3o2$o!
become

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3$o2b4!
when it should be

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 0, y = 0, rule = B3/S23
!
?
For me, the first pattern evolves into an r-pentomino after 2 generations, as it should. I don't think KILLGLIDERS is supposed to kill a glider that's about to interact with a spark.
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by ihatecorderships » June 11th, 2021, 12:35 am

Sokwe wrote:
June 11th, 2021, 12:16 am
For me, the first pattern evolves into an r-pentomino after 2 generations, as it should. I don't think KILLGLIDERS is supposed to kill a glider that's about to interact with a spark.
I think, based on my observations, it only kills a glider that doesn't interact with anything for so many generations after the shape forms.
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x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2ek3ij4-jnqrz/S23
2b2o$3bo$ob2o$3o!

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by Sokwe » June 11th, 2021, 12:54 am

ihatecorderships wrote:
June 11th, 2021, 12:35 am
Sokwe wrote:
June 11th, 2021, 12:16 am
For me, the first pattern evolves into an r-pentomino after 2 generations, as it should. I don't think KILLGLIDERS is supposed to kill a glider that's about to interact with a spark.
I think, based on my observations, it only kills a glider that doesn't interact with anything for so many generations after the shape forms.
I think it actually deletes them when they leave the influence of the bounding diamond of the rest of the pattern. Consider, for example, this pattern, where the gliders take different lengths of time to be deleted:

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x = 43, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
20b3o20$3o37b3o3$6b2o$7b2o18b2o$6bo21b2o$27bo14$20b3o!
This ensures that deleting them doesn't change the evolution of the remaining pattern.
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by rowett » June 11th, 2021, 8:21 am

When you switch on [[ KILLGLIDERS ]] each glider becomes a candidate for deletion when it is at the bounding box of the pattern and escaping. It won't then be killed until the diagonal is clear. From the original soup above at T=333 you can see the southern most glider (marked in yellow) is at the south boundary of the bounding box and escaping. However its diagonal is not clear because of the south moving LWSS on the left (also marked in yellow).

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
#CXRLE Gen=333
x = 70, y = 81, rule = LifeHistory
43.2A$19.2A22.2A$18.A2.A42.2A$19.2A42.A.A$14.2A49.A$14.2A31.A$43.A3.2A
$42.A.A2.2A$42.2A3.A$51.A$52.A$50.3A3$54.2A$54.2A$35.2A$35.2A3.2A$40.
2A$13.2A$4.2A7.2A$3.A2.A$3.A2.A$4.2A47.A.A$23.3A12.3A14.A$20.2A.3A14.
A10.A.A$20.2A13.A3.A11.A$20.3A27.A.A$22.2A.A7.A3.2A2.2A7.2A$24.A14.4A
6.A$.2A32.A4.2A8.2A15.2A$A2.A27.3A.A15.A15.A.A$A.A28.A.A34.2A$.A$38.A
$37.A.A3.2A$36.2A.2A2.A.A$37.A2.A4.2A$37.3A3.A.A$37.A.A3.2A$37.2A18.2A
$57.2A8$24.2A$24.2A9$14.2A$3.2E9.A.A$3.3E9.2A$2.E.2E$2.3E$3.E14$30.E$
28.2E$29.2E!

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by bubblegum » June 14th, 2021, 10:18 pm

I’m getting the Slow Mo Blue Box again (hello from an iPad), and I think I have a reliable method of recreating it:
1) Tap the edge of the viewer window
2) ???
3) Profit

I think what’s happening is that the tap is causing Safari to try and select the viewer canvas, leading to a blue outline. As for why Slow Mo Blue Box Syndrome slows the viewer to a crawl, um,
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by hotdogPi » June 17th, 2021, 8:58 am

I have no idea if this is related to what you're referring to, but ever since I joined this forum, and probably before, the pattern runs at about 60% speed whenever it's in focus, no matter what. It feels like it's probably intended (the speed box turns red, and people would have noticed by now), but I have no idea why.

In addition, once a glider escapes and is destroyed by the outer bounding box limit, it will never run at 60× again for that session (it seems to be stuck at 45 or so for simple patterns, but not a constant number), even if you go back to generation 0 and reset everything.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by muzik » June 25th, 2021, 3:40 pm

bubblegum wrote:
June 14th, 2021, 10:18 pm
I’m getting the Slow Mo Blue Box again (hello from an iPad), and I think I have a reliable method of recreating it:
1) Tap the edge of the viewer window
2) ???
3) Profit

I think what’s happening is that the tap is causing Safari to try and select the viewer canvas, leading to a blue outline. As for why Slow Mo Blue Box Syndrome slows the viewer to a crawl, um,
Can confirm - specifically this requires targeting the shadowed areas.

It certaintly can take a few tries, though.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by yujh » June 25th, 2021, 8:49 pm

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#C [[ KILLGLIDERS ]]
x=0, y=0, rule=b38s23

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by muzik » July 18th, 2021, 12:22 pm

The following trivially reversible rules do not have the ability to be played in reverse:

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVQ
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMzMw
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw8PDw
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPAP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/wD/AP8A/w
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = B/S012345678
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPAAAAAP////8AAAAA/////wAAAAD/////AAAAAP////8AAAAA/////wAAAAD/////AAAAAP////8AAAAA/////w
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPAAAAAAAAAAD//////////wAAAAAAAAAA//////////8AAAAAAAAAAP//////////AAAAAAAAAAD//////////w
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP////////////////////8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/////////////////////w
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = MAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD//////////////////////////////////////////w
4$6bob2obob3obob5o$5bob3obo4b2obob3o$5b2obo3bob4obobo$5b3o2b4obobobobo
bo$4bobo2b2o2b2o4b3o$5bobob2o2b3o4bo2bo$4bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo3b2o$4bob2o3b
4o2bo3bo$6bo3bo2bo3bo3bo$4bobo2b2obobobo4bo$5bo2b3o3b3o5bo$4bo3b2o2b2o
b3o3bobo$4b4o4bo2bo3bob2o$4bobo2bo2bobobobo2bo$4b4obo4b2o3bobo$4b3ob5o
2bobobo2bo$4bobobobobo2b2o5bo$6b2ob2o2b2o2bo3bobo$4b4o2bobob4o3b3o$4b
2ob2o2bo2bo3bobo!
Don't know if it's really worth special-casing these but it's something I've had on mind for a while.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by muzik » July 24th, 2021, 12:07 pm

Annoying touchscreen quirk: thumbnail viewers will expand if tapped on, even if that tap is dragged out of the viewer thumbnail's space before being released. This does not appear to be the case on desktops and clicking if the cursor is dragged out.

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL ]]
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
3b2obob2obobo4bo$b4o2bob2obo3b3o$5o4bob3ob2o2bo$4bo4bob8o$3b2ob2ob4o4b
obo$o6bob2o2bobobobo$2o3b3o2bo3b4obo$o2b2obob2o3bo4bo$o3b2o2b2o2bo$4bo
b4o3b2o3bo$b6ob3ob3obob2o$obobob4o2b2ob2o$bobob3o2b2ob2o2bo$3bobobo2b
2o$b3o4b2ob2o3b2o$b2o2b3o2bo2b2o4bo$o2bobobo2bo3bo4bo$bobo4bo2b2o6bo$o
bo2b2o2bo2b4obobo$2bo2b2obobo2bo2b4o!

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by muzik » July 25th, 2021, 1:51 pm

Is the paste command supposed to replace history cells with was-never-on cells? You can't draw over history cells like this, so it seems inconsistent.

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o3b2o2$2b3o$3bo$3bo!
[[ PASTET EVERY 7 PASTE 2o3b2o! 0 0 STOP 7 ]]

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Post by muzik » July 25th, 2021, 2:01 pm

Also, Identify mod calculations do not seem to take gray cells into account:

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x = 15, y = 6, rule = B36ce7c/S23-yHistory
11.2A$11.A.A$13.2A3$F!

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