"New" C/3 Ship?

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Platypus5
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"New" C/3 Ship?

Post by Platypus5 » January 15th, 2012, 6:56 pm

I am not sure if anyone has found this ship yet, nor if it even counts as "new." It was sort of staring me in the face, so I would be surprised if I am the first person to find it...

It turns out that the arm on our favorite p45 c/3 puffer are actually 1/2 of a ship unto itself.

It is a pretty small, mundane p3 ship. Doesn't appear to have any interesting sparks...

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x = 32, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
12bo7bo$11b4o3b4o$10bo3b2ob2o3bo$10bo4bobo4bo$8bobobob2ob2obobobo$7bo
6b2ob2o6bo$6b2obo3bo5bo3bob2o$4b2obob2o11b2obob2o$2b2obo21bob2o$bo3bo
21bo3bo$2bobo23bobo!
Unsorted C/3 search output? Somewhat newish C/3 edgesparker? give it to me, and my "battleships" just may have a use for it. :)

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by 137ben » January 18th, 2012, 5:17 pm

Well, it's not in the golly collection of c3 orthogonal ships...

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by Platypus5 » January 18th, 2012, 8:48 pm

I also didn't see it any of the other collections of patterns, be it jslife, LifeP, or David Bell's big box of C3 stuff.
Unsorted C/3 search output? Somewhat newish C/3 edgesparker? give it to me, and my "battleships" just may have a use for it. :)

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by 137ben » January 18th, 2012, 9:25 pm

Well it is certainly nice to see a new small symmetrical c/3 ship. It shows once again that we have not yet exhausted the supply of interesting small patterns.

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by Platypus5 » January 19th, 2012, 1:29 am

Thanks!

By the way, I found another ship in the same spirit. This one seems to have some sort of spark at the back.....

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x = 60, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
21b2o9b2o$17b2o2b2ob2o3b2ob2o2b2o$5bob2o7bob3o3b2o3b2o3b3obo7b2obo$b3o
b2obob2o3b2o3bobo3bobo3bobo3b2o3b2obob2ob3o$o6b2o2b5obo6bobobobo6bob5o
2b2o6bo$b2o3bo3bo3bo4bo6bobo6bo4bo3bo3bo3b2o$13bo5bobobobo3bobobobo5bo
$22bo9bo!
On another note, I have managed to reduce the height of a p54 puffer engine dramatically. You see, the "engine" is really just a ship and a tagalong. After searching through discarded, unsorted c3 ship searches, I found a much smaller ship that could replace the front of the p54 engine. I still don't know how to get rid of those pesky arms, especially since I don't have any search programs. It is still not as small as the p27 derived stuff, but, hey, the p27 one can't make p24 blocks!

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x = 104, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
5$41bo11bo$37b3ob2o9b2ob3o$36bo5b2o7b2o5bo$37b2o3bo9bo3b2o$42bo9bo$43b
o7bo$41bo3bo3bo3bo$38b2o4b3ob3o4b2o$38b2o2b2o2bobo2b2o2b2o$37bo4bo3bob
o3bo4bo$42bobo5bobo$6bob2ob3o27b2obo5bob2o27b3ob2obo$5b2ob2o4b2obo22b
2obo2bobo2bob2o22bob2o4b2ob2o$4bo2bobo2bo3b3o21bobo2b2ob2o2bobo21b3o3b
o2bobo2bo$5bo5bo3bo3bo22bo3bobo3bo22bo3bo3bo5bo$18b2o4b3o15bobobobobob
o15b3o4b2o$18b2o2b2obo17b3o3b3o17bob2o2b2o$19b2o4bob2o4b3o8bo5bo8b3o4b
2obo4b2o$24bo2bobo6bo21bo6bobo2bo$19b2obo2bobob3o4b5o5bobo5b5o4b3obobo
2bob2o$23bo5bob2o3bob2obo3b2ob2o3bob2obo3b2obo5bo$29bo4bobobo2bo3bo3bo
3bo2bobobo4bo$33bo4b2ob2o9b2ob2o4bo$39bobob2ob3ob2obobo$36b2o4b11o4b2o
$44b7o4$45b2o$45bo7$44b2o$44b2o7$44b2o$44b2o7$44b2o$44b2o7$44b2o$44b2o
!
A similar ship can also replace the two support ships on the previously found p78 puffer as well.

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 x = 87, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
68b2o6b3o6b2o$68b2obo4b3o4bob2o$68b3o2bobo3bobo2b3o$70bo2b4ob4o2bo2$
71bobo7bobo$70bo2bo7bo2bo$71b2ob7ob2o$71b4obobob4o$5b3o17b3o41b2o13b2o
$8bo15bo$8b3o11b3o44bo15bo$b2ob3obobo11bobob3ob2o40b3o5b3o$b2o3bo4bo9b
o4bo3b2o41bo7bo$o2bo6bo11bo6bo2bo37b2o3b2ob2o3b2o$70b2o3b2ob2o3b2o$7b
2obo11bob2o45b4obobob4o$b2o4b2ob2o9b2ob2o4b2o41bo7bo$b2ob2o6b2o5b2o6b
2ob2o41bo7bo$o3b2o6bo7bo6b2o3bo$4b2o7bo5bo7b2o44b2o5b2o$12bo7bo51bo2bo
3bo2bo$72bo9bo$12b2o5b2o49bo13bo$11bo2bo3bo2bo48bo13bo$11bo9bo50bob2o
3b2obo$9bo13bo50b2o3b2o$9bo13bo49bobo3bobo$11bob2o3b2obo49b2o9b2o$13b
2o3b2o52b3o5b3o$12bobo3bobo51bo2b2ob2o2bo$10b2o9b2o51b2o3b2o$11b3o5b3o
51bobo3bobo$11bo2b2ob2o2bo$13b2o3b2o50bo2b2o5b2o2bo$12bobo3bobo49b5o5b
5o$70bo4b2ob2o4bo$9bo2b2o5b2o2bo46bo13bo$9b5o5b5o45b2o5bobo5b2o$9bo4b
2ob2o4bo45b2obo9bob2o$9bo13bo47bo11bo$8b2o5bobo5b2o46bo11bo$8b2obo9bob
2o46b2o4bo4b2o$10bo11bo49b2o7b2o$10bo11bo$10b2o4bo4b2o49bo9bo$11b2o7b
2o51b9o2$11bo9bo$12b9o!
Well, thats all I have for today.
Unsorted C/3 search output? Somewhat newish C/3 edgesparker? give it to me, and my "battleships" just may have a use for it. :)

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by Tropylium » January 19th, 2012, 12:52 pm

I'm not much of a ship search person, but you know what would be swell? Some kind of annotated ship sub-component lists (something along the lines of "wing A links to any type-2 body, as well as the linking edge of wing C, or the edge spark of wing F")…

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by Sokwe » January 20th, 2012, 2:59 am

Much of the "known" c/3 technology is undocumented because there are a lot of ships, many of which are fairly uninteresting.
Tropylium wrote:Some kind of annotated ship sub-component lists…
A little of this was done for c/3 in the mid 1990's, but computers are fast enough and c/3 components are generally small enough, that one can search for a needed connection using programs such as LifeSearch. This sort component list would be more useful for higher-period ships, where components are usually harder to find.
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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by 137ben » January 20th, 2012, 9:24 am

This sort component list would be more useful for higher-period ships, where components are usually harder to find.
What about higher period c/3 ships? Although I suppose they would be easier to engineer from low-period c/3 ships.

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Re: "New" C/3 Ship?

Post by Sokwe » January 20th, 2012, 3:52 pm

There are very few known higher-period c/3 ships, or any ships with periods above 5. Current period-6 c/3 ships are mostly composed of some p6 component supported by a c/3 component, and there is little in the way of connections between known p6 components. In fact, the first completely* p6 c/3 ship was found by Josh Ball a little over a year ago (see here). For higher period c/3 spaceships, there are even fewer known components. As far as I know, these are the only known "basic" spaceships that are entirely* p6 or above (excluding Corderships):

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x = 304, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
9bo2bo21bo12bo18b3o10b3o19bo6bo24bo6bo17b2o13b2o16bo71b2o24b3o$8bo4bo
20bo12bo13b3obo7b2o7bob3o13bobo4bobo22bobob2obobo18bobo7bobo17bobo66b
3ob3o25bo$8bo4bo19bobo10bobo16bo3bo2bo2bo2bo3bo17bobo4bobo22b2o2b2o2b
2o15bo3bob2o3b2obo3bo14bo2b2o63b2o3bo22b2o2bo$8b6o20bo12bo17bo5bo4bo5b
o18bo6bo27b2o20b5o7b5o79bobo2bo2b2ob2o19b2o$5b2o8b2o17bo12bo23b2o2b2o
118bo58b4obo6bo23b2o$2b2obo3bo2bo3bob2o15bo3b4o3bo21bo3bo2bo3bo20b3o4b
3o24b2o2b2o53b2o2b2o55bo2bob2o28b2o$2b2obo2b2o2b2o2bob2o19b4o25bobo6bo
bo20b4o2b4o24b2o2b2o18bobo11bobo22b2o54b2obo3b2o4bo21bo2bo$2bobo2b3o2b
3o2bobo15b4o4b4o22b10o24bo2bo28b4o19bo3bobo3bobo3bo23bo52bo2bobo8b2o$
5b2o8b2o54bo4bo23b3ob2ob3o25bo2bo19bo3b3o3b3o3bo23bobo49bo4b3ob5o2bo
19bo2bo$7b8o22bo6bo24bo8bo21b2o6b2o24bo4bo24bo3bo30b2o49bo4bo9bo19bo3b
o$4bob2o6b2obo20b2o2b2o24bo10bo19b2o8b2o23bo4bo21bobo5bobo27bo2bo48bo
3bo3bo2bob2o18bob3o$69bo8bo55bob2obo23bo5bo28bo4bo49b2o9bo18bo$6b2o6b
2o82bo12bo23bo2bo25b2ob2o29bo5bo42bo4b2o2b2o25bo13bobo2b2o$4b2o10b2o
78bo2bo10bo2bo21bo2bo26bobo35bo3bo39bo2b3o4bob2o3bo19bo13b2obobo$96bo
2bo10bo2bo48b2obobob2o30b2o3bobo36b2obo5b5obob2o15b2o13b2o2bo4bo$2bob
2o10b2obo109bo14bo16bo3bobo3bo33b2ob2o34b3o2b2ob2ob2ob2o18bo2b2o2b2o6b
o3bo$b2o16b2o78b3o6b3o18b2o4bo2bo4b2o13b2o5bobo5b2o27bobo4b2o31bo4bobo
33bo2bo6bo6b2o$2bob2o10b2obo79bo10bo18bo5b4o5bo12bobo5bobo5bobo26bo7b
2o29b6o3bobo4b2o28b2o4bobo4b2o$b3o14b3o80bo6bo21b2o4b2o4b2o14b2o2b2obo
bob2o2b2o27bo9bo31b2o7bo26bo3bo3bo5bo$o8b4o8bo77b3o6b3o20bo10bo15bo3b
2obobob2o3bo35b2o37bo3bo30b2o4bo2bo$bo3bo2b6o2bo3bo108bobo10bobo13b2o
5bobo5b2o35bo24bo6b3o3bo4bo25bobo5bo3b2o$4b2o3b4o3b2o84bob2obo22b5o4b
5o14bo15bo34bo3bo19b2ob2o2b2ob2o3b5o25b2o8bo$7b2o4b2o88bo2bo25bo2b4o2b
o17bo4bo3bo4bo38bobo22bo2b2obo2bob2o33bo4bo$99bob2ob2ob2obo20bo4b2o4bo
21bo3bo38b3obo3bo17b3o2bo4bo5b2o34bo3bo$6b3o4b3o83b3o6b3o24bo2bo25b2ob
2o42bo29bobobobob3o30b2o5bo$5bo10bo119b2o78b2o23bo2bo37bo5bo$99bobo6bo
bo22b2ob2ob2o21b2o5b2o44b2o29bobo$99bobo6bobo51b2o5b2o42b2o2b4o26bo$
97b3ob3o2b3ob3o19bo8bo18bo11bo46b2o$131b3o6b3o17bobo7bobo70b3o$131bo2b
o4bo2bo17bobo7bobo48bo21b3o$130b2o10b2o76bo2bo$159bobob2o3b2obobo46bo
2bo21b2o$160b3ob2ob2ob3o51bo20b2o$161bob3ob3obo53bo19bo$160b2o9b2o50b
2o$161b5ob5o$158bob3o2bobo2b3obo$158b3o3b2ob2o3b3o$160bo2b2o3b2o2bo$
161b2o7b2o2$162b2obobob2o$161bo3bobo3bo$162b2obobob2o$160bobob2ob2obob
o$159bo3bo5bo3bo$160b2o9b2o$162bo7bo$160bo11bo$158b2o13b2o$158bo2bo9bo
2bo$157bo17bo$158bo4b2o3b2o4bo$160b2ob2o3b2ob2o$164b2ob2o2$163b3ob3o!
*The 2c/6 ship has a few very small p3 parts.
-Matthias Merzenich

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