amling questionable searches/ideas firehose

HartmutHolzwart · Post by **HartmutHolzwart** » January 3rd, 2024, 1:46 pm

Many thanks for this! I think I can derive what I actually want on my own from there!

Edit: Here is a clumsy proof of concept cobbled together with standard parts:

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x = 327, y = 159, rule = B3/S23
2$156bo3bo$155b3ob3o$154b2obobob2o$153b2o7b2o$154bo7bo$153b2o7b2o$151b
2obobo3bobob2o$152bobob2ob2obobo$149b2obo2bobobobo2bob2o$149b2obob2obo
bob2obob2o$149bobo2bo2bobo2bo2bobo$148b2ob2o11b2ob2o$148bo4b2obo3bob2o
4bo$147bobob5o5b5obobo2$152bobo7bobo$154bo7bo$63b3o15b3o68bob2o5b2obo
68b3o15b3o$62bo3bo13bo3bo66b2obo7bob2o66bo3bo13bo3bo$61b2o4bo11bo4b2o
64bobobob2ob2obobobo64b2o4bo11bo4b2o$60bobob2ob2o9b2ob2obobo62b2obo3b
2ob2o3bob2o62bobob2ob2o9b2ob2obobo$59b2obo4bob2ob3ob2obo4bob2o60bo3bo
4bobo4bo3bo60b2obo4bob2ob3ob2obo4bob2o$58bo4bo3bo4b3o4bo3bo4bo67bo3bo
67bo4bo3bo4b3o4bo3bo4bo$70bobobobo71b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o71bobobobo$58b
2o7b2o9b2o7b2o66bobobobo66b2o7b2o9b2o7b2o$89bo5b3o56b3o3b3o56b3o5bo$
31b3o15b3o35bo2bo3bo3bo56bo5bo56bo3bo3bo2bo35b3o15b3o$30bo3bo13bo3bo
35bo2bobo5bo3b3o48bo7bo48b3o3bo5bobo2bo35bo3bo13bo3bo$29b2o4bo11bo4b2o
37bobo5bo2bo3bo48bo5bo48bo3bo2bo5bobo37b2o4bo11bo4b2o$28bobob2ob2o3b3o
3b2ob2obob2o33bobobob3obobo5bo3b3o89b3o3bo5bobob3obobobo33b2obob2ob2o
3b3o3b2ob2obobo$27b2obo4bob2ob3ob2obo4bobo33b2obobobobobobo5bo2bo3bo
39b2o5b2o39bo3bo2bo5bobobobobobob2o33bobo4bob2ob3ob2obo4bob2o$26bo4bo
3bo4bobo4bo3bo2bob2o29bobobobobobobobob3obobo5bo3b3o34bo3bo34b3o3bo5bo
bob3obobobobobobobobo29b2obo2bo3bo4bobo4bo3bo4bo$38bo5bo9bob2o28b2obob
obobobobobobobobobo5bo2bo3bo32bo5bo32bo3bo2bo5bobobobobobobobobobobob
2o28b2obo9bo5bo$26b2o7b2o9b2o7bobo27bobobobobobobobobobobobobob3obobo
5bo3b3o21b3o9b3o21b3o3bo5bobob3obobobobobobobobobobobobobo27bobo7b2o9b
2o7b2o$54b2ob2o25b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo5bo2bo3bo19bo15bo
19bo3bo2bo5bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o25b2ob2o$83bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobob3obobo5bo3b3o5b3o3bo4b2o2bo2b2o4bo3b3o5b3o3bo
5bobob3obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$54b3ob3o21b2obobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo5bo2bo3bo3bo3bo2bo5b3ob3o5bo2bo3bo3bo3bo
2bo5bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o21b3ob3o$60b2o19bobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob3obobo5bobo5bobob3obo5bob3ob
obo5bobo5bobob3obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo19b2o$
61bo18b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo5bobo5bob
obobo3bobo3bobobobo5bobo5bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobob2o18bo$61b2o15b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobob3obobob3obobobobobo5bobobobobob3obobob3obobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o15b2o$62bo14bobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bob3ob5ob3obo2bobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
14bo$59b4o13b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobo21bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobob2o13b4o$58b2o2b2o10b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob29ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o10b2o2b2o$58bo14bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo37bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo14bo$25bo4bo4bo
7bo13b2o13b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obo2bob41obo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obob2o13b2o13bo7bo4bo4bo$24b3ob2ob2ob3o5b3o2b3o7bo13bobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo53bobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo13bo7b3o2b3o5b3ob2ob2ob3o$23b4o
7b4o3b3ob3o2bo6b4o9b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobo2bob57obo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
b2o9b4o6bo2b3ob3o3b4o7b4o$22b2o2b2obobob2o2b2ob2o5bo3bo4b2o2b2o7bobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo69bobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo7b2o2b2o4bo3bo5b2ob2o2b2obobob2o
2b2o$23bo14bobo10bo9bo6b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo2bob73obo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o6bo9b
o10bobo14bo$22b2o25bo11b2o4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobo85bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo4b2o11bo25b
2o$20b2obobo11b2ob2o8bobo13b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bo2bob89obo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o13bobo8b2ob2o
11bobob2o$21bobob2o16bo2b3obob2o7b2o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobo101bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b2o7b2obob
3o2bo16b2obobo$18b2obobo3bo7b2obo3bob3o3bobobo5bo3b2obobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo2bob105obo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o
3bo5bobobo3b3obo3bob2o7bo3bobob2o$18b2o3bo11b2o2bo6bo2bo2bob2o2b2obobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo117bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobob2o2b2obo2bo2bo6bo2b2o11bo3b2o$18b3obo3b2o7b3o5bobo6bobob3o2b
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bob121obo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobo2b3obobo6bobo5b3o7b2o3bob3o$17b2o14b2o2b2o5b2obo3b2o5bo4bobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobo133bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo4bo5b2o3bob2o
5b2o2b2o14b2o$34bo10bob2o3b2o4bob2obobobobobobobobobobobobo2bob137obo
2bobobobobobobobobobobobob2obo4b2o3b2obo10bo$33bobo15bo5bo5bobobobobob
obobobobobo149bobobobobobobobobobobo5bo5bo15bobo$44b2obob2obo7bo2bobob
obobobobobo2bob153obo2bobobobobobobobo2bo7bob2obob2o$48b7o2b2o2bobobob
obobobobo165bobobobobobobobo2b2o2b7o$54b2o3b2o2bobobobo2bob169obo2bobo
bobo2b2o3b2o$7b3o15b3o21bobobo3bobobobobobo181bobobobobobo3bobobo21b3o
15b3o$6bo3bo13bo3bo22bo3bobobo4bob185obo4bobobo3bo22bo3bo13bo3bo$5b2o
4bo11bo4b2o21bo4bo2bo197bo2bo4bo21b2o4bo11bo4b2o$4bobob2ob2o3b3o3b2ob
2obobo23b2obobo2b193o2bobob2o23bobob2ob2o3b3o3b2ob2obobo$3b2obo4bob2ob
3ob2obo4bob2o15b3o3bobobobobo193bobobobobo3b3o15b2obo4bob2ob3ob2obo4bo
b2o$2bo4bo3bo4bobo4bo3bo4bo13bo3bo2bobobobobob191obobobobobo2bo3bo13bo
4bo3bo4bobo4bo3bo4bo$14bo5bo18b3o3bo5bobobobobobo193bobobobobobo5bo3b
3o18bo5bo$2b2o7b2o9b2o7b2o5bo3bo2bo5bobobobobobo2b189o2bobobobobobo5bo
2bo3bo5b2o7b2o9b2o7b2o$33bo3bo5bobob3obobobobobobobo189bobobobobobobob
3obobo5bo3bo$31bo2bo2bo5bobobobobobobobobobobo2b185o2bobobobobobobobob
obobo5bo2bo2bo$32bo2bobob3obobobobobobobobobobobobo185bobobobobobobobo
bobobobob3obobo2bo$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b185o2bobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobo$33bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo185bobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobo$32b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b181o2bob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$31bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obo181bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$30b2obobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobob183obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$29bo3bobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo181bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo
$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b177o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobo$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo177bobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
175obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$26b3o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobo177bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3b3o$26bo6bo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b173o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobo6bo$32b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo173bobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$25b2o6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobo2b169o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6b2o$30b2obobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo169bobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobob2o$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b169o2b
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$30bobo2bobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobo169bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bobo$
29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b165o2bobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobo165bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$27b3ob3obobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob167obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobob3ob3o$26b2o7bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo165bobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo7b2o$26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo2b161o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
6bo$25b2o5b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo161bobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o5b2o$31bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobob159obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobo$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo161bobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$29bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobo2b157o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo3bo$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo157bobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobo2b153o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo153bobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$26b3o3bo2bobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b153o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobo2bo3b3o$26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obo153bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6bo$32b2obobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b149o2bobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$25b2o6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobo149bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobo6b2o$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob151o
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$30b2obobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo149bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$30bobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobo2b145o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo2bobo$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
145bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob143obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$27b3ob3obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobo145bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobob3ob3o$26b2o7bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo2b141o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo7b2o$
26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo141bobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6bo$25b2o5b2obobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b137o2bobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o5b2o$31bobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo137bobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobo2b137o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobob2o$29bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobo137bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo3bo$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b
133o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$29b2ob2o
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo133bobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob135obobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$26b3o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo133bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3b3o$26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b129o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobo6bo$32b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobo129bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobob2o$25b2o6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobob127obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobo6b2o$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobo129bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobob2o$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobo2b125o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobob2o$30bobo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobo125bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobo2bobo$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobo2b121o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobo121bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobo$27b3ob3obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobo2b121o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobob3ob3o$26b2o7bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobo121bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo7b2o$26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobo2b117o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6bo$25b2o5b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo117bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o5b2o$31bobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob119obobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$30b2obobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo117bobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$29bo3bobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b113o2bobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo$
35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
113bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
o$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobob111obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobo113bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo$26b3o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b109o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo3b3o$26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo109bobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6bo$32b2obobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b105o2bo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
2o$25b2o6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobo105bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobo6b2o$30b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b105o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$30b2obobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo105bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$30bob
o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo2b101o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobo2bobo$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo101bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob103obobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$27b3ob3obobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
101bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobob3ob3o$26b2o7bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobo2b97o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo7b2o$26bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo97bobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6bo$25b
2o5b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobob95obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobob2o5b2o$31bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo97bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$30b2obobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b
93o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobob2o$29bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo93bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo$35bobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b89o2bobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
o$29b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobo89bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$35bobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b89o2bobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo!

I'm pretty sure the p2 part can be made a lot smaller. The number of actual p4 cells other than in the 2c/3 signal is very limited, though.

amling · Post by **amling** » January 3rd, 2024, 10:50 pm

Has anyone produced a "trivial p10" like "trivial p6-1" where the p5 and p2 parts touch but there is no p10 cell? I had started looking into this but even normal p5 searches are pretty awful for LLSSS. Even my fairly general search seemed to want to find the same joint between p2 and p4. Here is my best partial so far, with 7 rows of p5:

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| ................... | ................... | ................... | ................... | ................... |
| ................... | ................... | ................... | ................... | ................... |
| ........ox.**...... | ........xo.**...... | ........ox.**...... | ........xo.**...... | ........ox.**...... |
| .......x*.o.*...... | .......o*.x.*...... | .......x*.o.*...... | .......o*.x.*...... | .......x*.o.*...... |
| ........o..x...**.. | ........x..o...**.. | ........o..x...**.. | ........x..o...**.. | ........o..x...**.. |
| ..**.....xo....*... | ..**.....ox....*... | ..**.....xo....*... | ..**.....ox....*... | ..**.....xo....*... |
| ..*.*.....*.....*.. | ..*.*....*......*.. | ..*.*.....*.....*.. | ..*.*.....*.....*.. | ..*.*....*......*.. |
| ....*...*......**.. | ....*......*...**.. | ....*...*.***..**.. | ....*...*......**.. | ....*......*...**.. |
| ....**..*.*.*...... | ....**.**..**...... | ....**..***........ | ....**..*.*.**..... | ....**.**....*..... |
| .....*..*...*****.. | ......***.*.*****.. | .............****.. | ........*.....***.. | .........*.*..***.. |
| ..****..***.....*.. | ..****..****....*.. | ..****..*.......*.. | ..****......**..*.. | ..***........*..*.. |
| ..*........*.*.*... | ..*..*.....**..*... | ..*..*..*..**..*... | ..*.....*......*... | ..*..**.**.....*... |
| ...*.*....*..*.**.. | ...*.....*.....**.. | ...*.**.**.....**.. | ...*..****..**.**.. | ...*.*********.**.. |

This is a collapsed view of the true p10 where the parts that are not p5 (and are all p2) have had the disagreements marked with x's and o's. Anyone looking to solve it in p5 can thus just ignore the top part.

HartmutHolzwart · Post by **HartmutHolzwart** » January 4th, 2024, 8:50 am

maybe in beetwen you can find a completion for the following double block eater partial?

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x = 48, y = 110, rule = B3/S23
3$23bobo$22bo2bo$21b2o$20bo3bo$19b3obo$16b2o$15bo3b5o$14bo3bo$14bo5b2o
$14b3o3b4o$15bo7bo$15b2o$15bobo$15b2o2bo$16bobo$32bo$16b2o13bo$16bo2bo
9b2obo$17bo2bo8bo$17b3o9bo4bo$18bo11b2ob2o$18b2o$18bobo8b2o$18b3obo5b
3o3bo$19b2o6b2obobo2b2o$20b2obo4bo3b3o$21b2o6bo2$21b2o4b5o$20b2o3bo2b
4o$21b2o2bo$22b3o3bo$23bobo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$27bobob2o4bo$20bobo8bo5bo$
19b2o$17b5obo$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b2o$11bo2bo$2ob2ob
2ob3o2bobo4b2o$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$17b5obo$19b2o$20bobo8bo5bo$27bobob
2o4bo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$23bobo$22b3o3bo$21b2o2bo$20b2o3bo2b4o$21b2o4b5o
2$21b2o4b5o$20b2o3bo2b4o$21b2o2bo$22b3o3bo$23bobo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$27bo
bob2o4bo$20bobo8bo5bo$19b2o$17b5obo$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$2ob2ob2ob3o2bo
bo4b2o$11bo2bo$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b2o$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$17b5obo$19b2o$
20bobo8bo5bo6bobo$27bobob2o4bo2b3o3bo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo2bo$23bobo14bo4b
3o$22b3o3bo12bobobobo$21b2o2bo16bobobo$20b2o3bo2b4o14bo$21b2o4b5o2$21b
2o4b5o$20b2o3bo2b4o$21b2o2bo$22b3o3bo$23bobo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$27bobob2o
4bo$20bobo8bo5bo$19b2o$17b5obo$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b
2o$11bo2bo$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b2o$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$17b5obo$19b2o$20bo
bo8bo5bo$27bobob2o4bo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$23bobo$22b3o3bo$21b2o2bo$20b2o3b
o2b4o$21b2o4b5o!

amling · Post by **amling** » January 4th, 2024, 3:34 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote: ↑

January 4th, 2024, 8:50 am

maybe in beetwen you can find a completion for the following double block eater partial?

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x = 48, y = 110, rule = B3/S23
3$23bobo$22bo2bo$21b2o$20bo3bo$19b3obo$16b2o$15bo3b5o$14bo3bo$14bo5b2o
$14b3o3b4o$15bo7bo$15b2o$15bobo$15b2o2bo$16bobo$32bo$16b2o13bo$16bo2bo
9b2obo$17bo2bo8bo$17b3o9bo4bo$18bo11b2ob2o$18b2o$18bobo8b2o$18b3obo5b
3o3bo$19b2o6b2obobo2b2o$20b2obo4bo3b3o$21b2o6bo2$21b2o4b5o$20b2o3bo2b
4o$21b2o2bo$22b3o3bo$23bobo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$27bobob2o4bo$20bobo8bo5bo$
19b2o$17b5obo$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b2o$11bo2bo$2ob2ob
2ob3o2bobo4b2o$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$17b5obo$19b2o$20bobo8bo5bo$27bobob
2o4bo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$23bobo$22b3o3bo$21b2o2bo$20b2o3bo2b4o$21b2o4b5o
2$21b2o4b5o$20b2o3bo2b4o$21b2o2bo$22b3o3bo$23bobo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$27bo
bob2o4bo$20bobo8bo5bo$19b2o$17b5obo$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$2ob2ob2ob3o2bo
bo4b2o$11bo2bo$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b2o$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$17b5obo$19b2o$
20bobo8bo5bo6bobo$27bobob2o4bo2b3o3bo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo2bo$23bobo14bo4b
3o$22b3o3bo12bobobobo$21b2o2bo16bobobo$20b2o3bo2b4o14bo$21b2o4b5o2$21b
2o4b5o$20b2o3bo2b4o$21b2o2bo$22b3o3bo$23bobo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$27bobob2o
4bo$20bobo8bo5bo$19b2o$17b5obo$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b
2o$11bo2bo$2ob2ob2ob3o2bobo4b2o$2ob2ob2ob2o4b2o4b2o$17b5obo$19b2o$20bo
bo8bo5bo$27bobob2o4bo$26bo2bo2bo2bobo$23bobo$22b3o3bo$21b2o2bo$20b2o3b
o2b4o$21b2o4b5o!

Assuming you mean completing the back, I think maybe better to cut back to the earlier connection. I spotted a spark-only partial somewhere in my s2s searches from that and there do exist some 3c/6 sparkers:

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x = 133, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o$38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o2$38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b
2ob2o$38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o2$38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o$38b2ob2o21b2o
b2o21b2ob2o2$38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o$38b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o2$7b3o
28b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o28b3o$6bo2b5o24b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o24b5o2bo$
5bo3bobob2ob2o97b2ob2obobo3bo$5bo6bo3bob2o18b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o18b
2obo3bo6bo$7bo6bo4bo18b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o18bo4bo6bo$4bobo6bo3bob2o
91b2obo3bo6bobo$3b2obob3o8bob3o14b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o14b3obo8b3obob
2o$2bobobo3bo10bob2o13b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o13b2obo10bo3bobobo$b2obo
13b2o3bob2o79b2obo3b2o13bob2o$o3bo5b2o10bo2bo12b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o
12bo2bo10b2o5bo3bo$22b2obob2o9b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o9b2obob2o$2ob2o16b
obobob2o10b3o23b3o23b3o10b2obobobo16b2ob2o$11b3o6b3o3bobo75bobo3b3o6b
3o$10bo2b5o2bob2ob2ob2o73b2ob2ob2obo2b5o2bo$9bo3bobob2obo18b3o23b3o23b
3o18bob2obobo3bo$9bo6bobo2bob3ob3o8bo3bo21bo3bo21bo3bo8b3ob3obo2bobo6b
o$11bo6bo19b2ob2o21b2ob2o21b2ob2o19bo6bo$8bobo6bo19bo5bo19bo5bo19bo5bo
19bo6bobo$7b2obob3o9b2ob2o8bo5bo19bo5bo19bo5bo8b2ob2o9b3obob2o$6bobobo
3bo9b2ob2o7b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o7b2ob2o9bo3bobobo$5b2obo14bobobobo
5b3o5b3o5bo3bo5b3o5b3o5bo3bo5b3o5b3o5bobobobo14bob2o$4bo3bo5b2o5bo2bob
obo2bo5b3ob3o6b3ob3o6b3ob3o6b3ob3o6b3ob3o5bo2bobobo2bo5b2o5bo3bo$21bo
9bo3bo2b2ob2o2bo3b2obobob2o3bo2b2ob2o2bo3b2obobob2o3bo2b2ob2o2bo3bo9bo
$4b2ob2o12bobo5bobo5bo5bo4b2o7b2o4bo5bo4b2o7b2o4bo5bo5bobo5bobo12b2ob
2o$49bo7bo17bo7bo$48bob2o3b2obo15bob2o3b2obo$47bo11bo13bo11bo$46bo5bob
o5bo11bo5bobo5bo$49bob2ob2obo17bob2ob2obo$46b2o3b2ob2o3b2o11b2o3b2ob2o
3b2o$51b2ob2o21b2ob2o$45b2o4b2ob2o4b2o9b2o4b2ob2o4b2o$46b2o11b2o11b2o
11b2o3$47bo11bo13bo11bo2$45b3o11b3o9b3o11b3o3$58b3o$57bo2bo$56bo3bo$
57bo$56bo4bo$57b2o$55b2obob2o$57b2o!

EDIT: And the search will even find that sparker for me, once I remember to include the p6 sparkers in the ends DB. What a silly omission...

If you mean finding a double block puffer for the front, well, that's gonna be a taller order...

HartmutHolzwart · Post by **HartmutHolzwart** » January 4th, 2024, 4:12 pm

Nice one! I would take any front for that double block line as well...

amling · Post by **amling** » January 8th, 2024, 1:16 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote: ↑
January 4th, 2024, 4:12 pm
I would take any front for that double block line as well...

For sure. I tried a few s2s framings of it to no avail:

One very general idea is to add one column of a blocks at a time which would allow for block stretchers of any chosen width (as there is a known single column stretcher to start with). Longest partial I got anywhere was:

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|   ........................ |   ........................ |  ........................  |  ........................  | ........................   | ........................   |
|   *.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.* |   *.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.* |  **.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.  |  **.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.  | .**.**.**.**.**.**.**.**   | .**.**.**.**.**.**.**.**   |
|   *.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.* |   *.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.* |  **.**.**.**.**.*...*.**.  |  **.**.**.**.**.**.**.**.  | .**.**.**.**.**.**.**.**   | .**.**.**.*...*.**.**.**   |
|   ........................ |   ................*....... |  ........................  |  ........................  | ............*...........   | ........................   |
|   .................**.**.* |   ................***.**.* |  ................*..*.**.  |  ............***.****.**.  | ............***.**.**.**   | ..............*.**.**.**   |
|   ...........**..*.*...*.* |   ...........**..*.*...*.* |  ...........******.***.*.  |  ..........**....*.*...*.  | ...........****.**.**.**   | ..........*...*.**.**.**   |
|   ..........*.****...**... |   .........**.**.*....*... |  ..........**.**.*.*.**..  |  .........*..............  | ..........**............   | ..........**.**...*.....   |
|   .........**....*........ |   ........*......*.***.... |  .........*****.*.****...  |  ........*....*.*.....*..  | .........*.....***......   | .........*.*...*.*......   |
|   ........*****...***..... |   .......*...*......*..... |  ........**......*..*....  |  .......*.......**.......  | ........*.*....***......   | .......**.**............   |
|   .......**......**.***... |   .......*...*...**...*... |  .......**..*....*...*...  |  .......*.**......*.*....  | .......**..**...*.**....   | .......*......*.*.*.....   |
|   ........**....*....**... |   .......*.*....*.....*... |  .......*...*......*.....  |  .......*...**...**......  | .......*.*.****.........   | .......*.....*.*..**....   |
|   .....*...*....*.**...... |   .....*...*......**...... |  .....*.*..**..***.......  |  .....*......*.****......  | .....*.*...*....*.*.....   | .....*.*.....*.**.......   |
|   ...***..*...*****....... |   ..**.*...*...**......... |  ...***....**...*..*.....  |  ..**.*....***...........  | ...***.*..**....**......   | ..**.*...*.**...........   |
|   ..**......*......*...... |   ..*.......*....**....... |  ..**...*.....*..**......  |  ..*....**.***...........  | ..**..****.*...**.......   | ..*....**...*..*.*......   |
|   ....*.*..**.**.....**... |   ..*...**....**...*...... |  ....*.***..*..***.***...  |  ..*.**..*....****.......  |                            |                            |

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x = 59, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2$30b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$24b2o2bobo3bob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$23bob4o3b2o$22b2o
4bo$21b5o3b3o$20b2o6b2ob3o$21b2o4bo4b2o$18bo3bo4bob2o$16b3o2bo3b5o$15b
2o6bo6bo$17bobo2b2ob2o5b2o!

I also looked for a higher (one-side) clearance form of the known single column block puffer so we could space things closely. This was the only solution I got (this using the p6 "rotor" of the already-known puffer and just resolving the c/2 part):

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#C [[ TRACK -1/2 0 ]]
x = 67, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
36bo$33b2obobo$30b4o6bo$30b2o5b2o$21bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o$18b4obo2b2o2b4o
2bo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$18b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o
$16bo3b2o7b2o8b3o$16b4obobo6bob3o3bo$13bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo$12b8obobo
2b2o$11b2o7b2o6bo5bobob2o$10b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo$11bobo2b2ob2ob
o6b2o8bo8b4o$18b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o$11b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo$10bo14b
2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$10bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$9bo8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$9b2obo
4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$12bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$8bo8bo18bo3bo
b3o$6b4obo8b5o11b3o$5b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$6b2o9b3obobo14b4o$7b3o7b
3obobo14bo3bobo$8bo13bo17b3obo$10bo7bob6obo12b2obo$5bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o
2bo$4bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo$3b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$2bo22bobo$b4o12bobo$o4b
o10b2o2bo$o2bo12bobo$o2bo12b2o$bo14bo7bo$2b4obo7b3o3b4o$3bo3bo7bo5b2o$
4bo10bo3bo$4bobo9bo3b5o$17b2o$3b3o14b3obo$3b2o16bo3bo$3b3o16b2o$23bo2b
o$4bobo17bobo$4bo$3bo3bo$2b4obo$bo$o2bo$o2bo$o4bo$b4o$2bo$3b2o$4bo2bo$
5bobo!

Something like this would be higher clearance but I couldn't get it solved:

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|   ........................... |   ........................... |  ...........................  |  ...........................  | ...........................   | ...........................   |
|   ........................... |   ........................... |  ...........................  |  ...........................  | ...........................   | ...........................   |
|   ............*.......**.**.* |   ............*.......*..**.* |  ............*........**.**.  |  ............*........**.**.  | ............*.......*.**.**   | ............*......**.**.**   |
|   .........*.*.*.....*....*.* |   ..........**......****..*.* |  .........*.*.*....**..**.*.  |  ..........**......****...*.  | .........*.*.*.....**.**.**   | ..........**.......**.**.**   |
|   ........*..*...*.**...**... |   .......****.*..**.*.*..*... |  ........*..*...*.*.*...*...  |  .......****.*..**..*.......  | ........*..*...*.*.........   | .......****.*..**.*..*.....   |
|   .......**.....**...**...... |   .......**.....***...**..... |  .......**.....**....****...  |  .......**.....***.**...*...  | .......**.....**...**......   | .......**.....***...*......   |
|   ......*....*.......**...... |   .....*...**.*....*...*..... |  ......*....*.......*.**....  |  .....*...**.*....*.........  | ......*....*.........*.**..   | .....*...**.*....**....**..   |
|   .....*****.*.*.****.*...... |   .....****.*.*.*****........ |  .....*****.*.*.******.*....  |  .....****.*.*.*******.**...  | .....*****.*.*.****.****...   | .....****.*.*.****..*......   |
|   ....*.........*....*.**.... |   ....*........*.....***..... |  ....*.........*.......*....  |  ....*........*.....*.*.....  | ....*.........*.......**...   | ....*........*.....*.......   |
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x = 47, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
10bo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$7bobobo5bo4bob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o
b2o$6bo2bo3bob2o3b2o$5b2o5b2o3b2o$4bo4bo7b2o$3b5obobob4obo$2bo9bo4bob
2o$2b4o6b4o$bo8b2o3b3o$3o2bo4b2ob2o2b2o$b3o4bo6b2obo$2bo5b3obo2bob2obo
$3bo2bo5b3obo3bo$3b2obob2obo2b2o2bo2b2o!

A less general solution is to split with odd symmetry and turn sideways immediately. Doing full-blown 3c/6 s2s odd wildcards is not really possible but I was able to do some limited versions via various combinations of (1) gutter symmetry instead of odd, (2) limiting cell cohorts to be strict c/2, and (3) limiting the width of the spine part severely. In the end the best partial I came up with is:

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x = 44, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
ob2ob3o4b2o$2bo2b2o3b3o$3bo4bob2o$4bo8bo$6b2o3b3o$9bob4o$7b2o$6bo$6bo
2b3o2bo$6bo6b2o$7b5ob4o$8bo6b3o$9b2ob2o4bo$10bo8bob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2o$11b6ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2$11b6ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2o$10bo8bob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$9b2ob2o4bo$8bo6b3o$7b5ob4o$6bo6b2o$
6bo2b3o2bo$6bo$7b2o$9bob4o$6b2o3b3o$4bo8bo$3bo4bob2o$2bo2b2o3b3o$ob2ob
3o4b2o!

These were mostly just hoping to get lucky. I think the real best shot here is wrong-answers-only b2f hoping for a period division to strict c/2. A preliminary version of this (8G) completed with no results, although the longest partial is pretty long:

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x = 53, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
obo$o$3bo2bo4bo3bo4bo$2b6obo3b2obo2bo2bo$o5bo5bo6bo3bo$obo2bobo4bobo2b
5ob2o3bob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$b2o5b4obo6bobo4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2o$3bo3b3ob3o7bobobo$b2o5b4obo6bobo4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$obo
2bobo4bobo2b5ob2o3bob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$o5bo5bo6bo3bo$2b6obo3b2ob
o2bo2bo$3bo2bo4bo3bo4bo$o$obo!

I have a bigger version of that (60G) running now. If that doesn't work out I might return to run 120G some day but I've only got one computer that can do that and the queue of things to run on it is so very long.

HartmutHolzwart · Post by **HartmutHolzwart** » January 8th, 2024, 4:34 pm

I would have two partials you'd maybe be able to complete:

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x = 116, y = 123, rule = B3/S23
$17bobo$16bo2bo$15b2o$14bo$13b4o$12bo4bo$12bo2bo$12bo2bo$13bo$14b4obo$
15bo3bo$16bo$16bobo17bobo$35bo2bo$15b3o16b2o$15b2o16bo3bo$15b3o14b3obo
$29b2o$16bobo9bo3b5o$16bo10bo3bo$15bo3bo7bo5b2o$14b4obo7b3o3b4o$13bo
14bo7bo$12bo2bo12b2o$12bo2bo12bobo$12bo4bo10b2o2bo$13b4o12bobo$14bo22b
obo$15b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$16bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo$17bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o
2bo$22bo7bob6obo12b2obo$20bo13bo17b3obo$19b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$18b2o9b
3obobo14b4o$17b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$18b4obo8b5o11b3o$20bo8bo18bo3bob
3o$24bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$21b2obo4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$21b
o8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$22bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$22bo14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$
23b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo26b3o$30b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o25bo3b2o$23bobo2b
2ob2obo6b2o8bo8b4o24bo4bo$22b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo24bo3b2o$23b2o
7b2o6bo5bobob2o37b3o$24b8obobo2b2o50bo4b2o$25bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo38b
2o2b2o$28b4obobo6bob3o3bo42bob3o3b3o$28bo3b2o7b2o8b3o38b6o$30b2o3bo4bo
5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$30b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo
7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$33bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o38b
6o$42b2o5b2o42bob3o3b3o$42b4o6bo38b2o2b2o$45b2obobo39bo4b2o$48bo40b3o$
88bo3b2o$88bo4bo$88bo3b2o$48bo40b3o$45b2obobo39bo4b2o$42b4o6bo38b2o2b
2o$42b2o5b2o42bob3o3b3o$33bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o38b6o$30b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo7b
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$30b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$28bo3b2o7b2o8b3o38b6o$28b4obobo
6bob3o3bo42bob3o3b3o$25bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo38b2o2b2o$24b8obobo2b2o50b
o4b2o$23b2o7b2o6bo5bobob2o37b3o$22b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo24bo3b2o$
23bobo2b2ob2obo6b2o8bo8b4o24bo4bo$30b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o25bo3b2o$23b4o5b5o
b2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo26b3o$22bo14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$22bobo6b3ob2o5b
2o10bo$21bo8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$21b2obo4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$24bo3b
2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$20bo8bo18bo3bob3o$18b4obo8b5o11b3o$17b2o4bo5b2o
bo4bo11bo3b4o$18b2o9b3obobo14b4o$19b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$20bo13bo17b3ob
o$22bo7bob6obo12b2obo$17bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o2bo$16bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo
$15b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$14bo22bobo$13b4o12bobo$12bo4bo10b2o2bo$12bo2bo12b
obo$12bo2bo12b2o$13bo14bo7bo$14b4obo7b3o3b4o$15bo3bo7bo5b2o$16bo10bo3b
o$16bobo9bo3b5o$29b2o$15b3o14b3obo$15b2o16bo3bo$15b3o16b2o$35bo2bo$16b
obo17bobo$16bo$15bo3bo$14b4obo$13bo$12bo2bo$12bo2bo$12bo4bo$13b4o$14bo
$15b2o$16bo2bo$17bobo!

And this one:

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x = 87, y = 127, rule = B3/S23
6bobo$5bo2bo$4b2o$3bo$2b4o$bo4bo$bo2bo$bo2bo$2bo$3b4obo$4bo3bo$5bo$5bo
bo17bobo$24bo2bo$4b3o16b2o$4b2o16bo3bo$4b3o14b3obo$18b2o$5bobo9bo3b5o$
5bo10bo3bo$4bo3bo7bo5b2o$3b4obo7b3o3b4o$2bo14bo7bo$bo2bo12b2o$bo2bo12b
obo$bo4bo10b2o2bo$2b4o12bobo$3bo22bobo$4b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$5bo2bo9bo2bo
bob2o18bobo$6bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o2bo$11bo7bob6obo12b2obo$9bo13bo17b3obo$
8b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$7b2o9b3obobo14b4o$6b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$7b4ob
o8b5o11b3o$9bo8bo18bo3bob3o$13bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$10b2obo4b2obo
3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$10bo8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$11bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$11bo
14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$12b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo25b4o$19b2o8bo5b
6obo6b3o25bo$12bobo2b2ob2obo6b2o8bo8b4o22b2o2b3o$11b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o
3b3o10bo22bo$12b2o7b2o6bo5bobob2o34bo5bo$13b8obobo2b2o47bo4bo$14bobo7b
o2bobo5bobobobo35bo3bo2bo$17b4obobo6bob3o3bo38bo3b4o$17bo3b2o7b2o8b3o
33bob2o2b2ob2o$19b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obob3o5b
2o$19b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obob3o5b2o$22bobo2b
obo3bob4ob3o33bob2o2b2ob2o$31b2o5b2o38bo3b4o$31b4o6bo35bo3bo2bo$34b2ob
obo36bo4bo$37bo37bo5bo$75bo$75b2o2b3o$77bo$77b4o2$77b4o$77bo$75b2o2b3o
$75bo$37bo37bo5bo$34b2obobo36bo4bo$31b4o6bo35bo3bo2bo$31b2o5b2o38bo3b
4o$22bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o33bob2o2b2ob2o$19b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obob3o5b2o$19b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2obob3o5b2o$17bo3b2o7b2o8b3o33bob2o2b2ob2o$17b4obobo6bob3o3bo38bo3b
4o$14bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo35bo3bo2bo$13b8obobo2b2o47bo4bo$12b2o7b2o6bo
5bobob2o34bo5bo$11b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo22bo$12bobo2b2ob2obo6b2o
8bo8b4o22b2o2b3o$19b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o25bo$12b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo
25b4o$11bo14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$11bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$10bo8b2o3b2o5b
4o9b4o$10b2obo4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$13bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo
$9bo8bo18bo3bob3o$7b4obo8b5o11b3o$6b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$7b2o9b3obob
o14b4o$8b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$9bo13bo17b3obo$11bo7bob6obo12b2obo$6bobob
o8bo7b2o14b2o2bo$5bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo$4b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$3bo22bobo$
2b4o12bobo$bo4bo10b2o2bo$bo2bo12bobo$bo2bo12b2o$2bo14bo7bo$3b4obo7b3o
3b4o$4bo3bo7bo5b2o$5bo10bo3bo$5bobo9bo3b5o$18b2o$4b3o14b3obo$4b2o16bo
3bo$4b3o16b2o$24bo2bo$5bobo17bobo$5bo$4bo3bo$3b4obo$2bo$bo2bo$bo2bo$bo
4bo$2b4o$3bo$4b2o$5bo2bo$6bobo!

amling · Post by **amling** » January 10th, 2024, 10:09 pm

dbell wrote: ↑
January 10th, 2024, 2:32 am
It would be nice to have a diagonal c/4 period 4 ship eater, like the recent glider eater. (Actually, it would be nice to have a block eater too.) I wonder if LLSSS could find these, or maybe the glider eater was just lucky.

I think in this case you would need eaters with absolutely fabulous clearance on one side, so they can pick off one piece at a time without hitting the rest. Even so, it's an interesting idea and worth some searching. For the glider eater I had searched at 2c/8d for an eater for a stream and got lucky that it acted independently. To even have a line of blocks it would have to be 3c/12d and even that doesn't leave a lot of space for interactions. I think better to try a higher multiple with a strict constraint file, like what I was doing to try to produce a c/2 hive eater above.

Even preliminary searches sketched for 4c/16 with only 4 generations of interaction to clean up are able to find a partial something like this, pictured eating a line of blocks or not:

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x = 62, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$8b2o3$12b2o$12b2o2$10bo34bo$9b2o5b2o26b2o$9bobo4b2o26bobo$13bo34b
o$13bo34bo$12bo7b2o25bo$14bo5b2o27bo$9b2o2bo2bo27b2o2bo2bo$8b2o6bob2o
23b2o6bob2o$10bob2o31bob2o$12b3ob2obo27b3ob2obo$9bob2o3b3o25bob2o3b3o$
2o3b3obo3bo2b2o17b2o3b3obo3bo2b2o$obobob2o5b2o3bobo14bobobob2o5b2o3bob
o$obobo2bo2bobob2obo2bo14bobobo2bo2bobob2obo2bo$b4o3b2o6b3o3bob3o9b4o
3b2o6b3o3bob3o$b2o8bo3b2obobobo2b2o9b2o8bo3b2obobobo2b2o$b2obo3b2ob2o
2b2o4bobo12b2obo3b2ob2o2b2o4bobo$b8ob3o3b2o2b4o12b8ob3o3b2o2b4o$2bo2b
2ob2o8b2o2b2o13bo2b2ob2o8b2o2b2o$4bo3bo3b2obobobo2bo16bo3bo3b2obobobo
2bo$5bo4b3obo4bobo18bo4b3obo4bobo!

TBD of course whether or not I can solve this (especially with acceptable NE clearance), whether I can find anything for other debris objects, etc. Also my hands are pretty tied right now with search projects so it may be a while before I get back to this with a reasonable amount of memory to run any serious (non-"preliminary") searches.

Haycat2009 · Post by **Haycat2009** » January 10th, 2024, 10:18 pm

Can you hack LLS (or was it LLSSS?) to prove the loafer to be the smallest c/7 spaceship (Also, why did you search for 2c/5 before c/5? )

amling · Post by **amling** » January 10th, 2024, 10:28 pm

Haycat2009 wrote: ↑
January 10th, 2024, 10:18 pm
(or was it LLSSS?)

The search program I wrote is LLSSS, as in "lattice LSSS" as it was a more geometrically-generic version of what I thought LSSS did. It was definitely a mistake to name it that, even provisionally.

Haycat2009 wrote: ↑
January 10th, 2024, 10:18 pm
Can you hack LLS to prove the loafer to be the smallest c/7 spaceship?

We already had this discussion on the min pop thread ("we" including you). The min pop search hacks do exceptionally poorly for higher number of generations and could not complete even population four at c/7.

Haycat2009 wrote: ↑
January 10th, 2024, 10:18 pm
Also, why did you search for 2c/5 before c/5?

Generally I ran smaller searches to try to project how hard it would be to get to interesting populations for various speeds and symmetries. 2c/5 odd to pop 57 was in range, nothing c/5 was. I already wrote this all up on the min pop thread.

Haycat2009 · Post by **Haycat2009** » January 10th, 2024, 10:31 pm

How do we find a spaceship that works in both Life and Grounded Life? It seems difficult, and proving something impossible is even harder.
(Use one-letter finds, ixpx2, LLS, LLSSS, LSSS, LLLS, LSLSL?)

amling · Post by **amling** » January 10th, 2024, 10:40 pm

Haycat2009 wrote: ↑
January 10th, 2024, 10:31 pm
How do we find a spaceship that works in both Life and Grounded Life? It seems difficult, and proving something impossible is even harder.

I already discussed my best ideas for such searches on the B35/S23 thread and already made a pretty serious effort to find a shared ship using LLSSS searches refusing B5 transitions (either way). To go any further I would probably have to write a new search program from scratch (to search for ships sharing only a single generation), allocate time on my intensely overloaded and overscheduled sole computer with more than 60G RAM, or rent an EC2 box.

confocaloid · Post by **confocaloid** » January 10th, 2024, 11:38 pm

In case that turns out interesting, the census b35s23/ror_stdin_test contains known objects from CGoL (which were collected from several sources) that also work in B35/S23 (avoid the B5 condition). As expected, there are no spaceships in the census, and there are only still lives and low-period oscillators.

amling · Post by **amling** » January 11th, 2024, 2:13 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote: ↑

January 8th, 2024, 4:34 pm

I would have two partials you'd maybe be able to complete:

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x = 116, y = 123, rule = B3/S23
$17bobo$16bo2bo$15b2o$14bo$13b4o$12bo4bo$12bo2bo$12bo2bo$13bo$14b4obo$
15bo3bo$16bo$16bobo17bobo$35bo2bo$15b3o16b2o$15b2o16bo3bo$15b3o14b3obo
$29b2o$16bobo9bo3b5o$16bo10bo3bo$15bo3bo7bo5b2o$14b4obo7b3o3b4o$13bo
14bo7bo$12bo2bo12b2o$12bo2bo12bobo$12bo4bo10b2o2bo$13b4o12bobo$14bo22b
obo$15b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$16bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo$17bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o
2bo$22bo7bob6obo12b2obo$20bo13bo17b3obo$19b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$18b2o9b
3obobo14b4o$17b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$18b4obo8b5o11b3o$20bo8bo18bo3bob
3o$24bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$21b2obo4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$21b
o8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$22bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$22bo14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$
23b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo26b3o$30b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o25bo3b2o$23bobo2b
2ob2obo6b2o8bo8b4o24bo4bo$22b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo24bo3b2o$23b2o
7b2o6bo5bobob2o37b3o$24b8obobo2b2o50bo4b2o$25bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo38b
2o2b2o$28b4obobo6bob3o3bo42bob3o3b3o$28bo3b2o7b2o8b3o38b6o$30b2o3bo4bo
5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$30b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo
7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$33bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o38b
6o$42b2o5b2o42bob3o3b3o$42b4o6bo38b2o2b2o$45b2obobo39bo4b2o$48bo40b3o$
88bo3b2o$88bo4bo$88bo3b2o$48bo40b3o$45b2obobo39bo4b2o$42b4o6bo38b2o2b
2o$42b2o5b2o42bob3o3b3o$33bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o38b6o$30b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo7b
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$30b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob6o2bo3bo$28bo3b2o7b2o8b3o38b6o$28b4obobo
6bob3o3bo42bob3o3b3o$25bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo38b2o2b2o$24b8obobo2b2o50b
o4b2o$23b2o7b2o6bo5bobob2o37b3o$22b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo24bo3b2o$
23bobo2b2ob2obo6b2o8bo8b4o24bo4bo$30b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o25bo3b2o$23b4o5b5o
b2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo26b3o$22bo14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$22bobo6b3ob2o5b
2o10bo$21bo8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$21b2obo4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$24bo3b
2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$20bo8bo18bo3bob3o$18b4obo8b5o11b3o$17b2o4bo5b2o
bo4bo11bo3b4o$18b2o9b3obobo14b4o$19b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$20bo13bo17b3ob
o$22bo7bob6obo12b2obo$17bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o2bo$16bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo
$15b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$14bo22bobo$13b4o12bobo$12bo4bo10b2o2bo$12bo2bo12b
obo$12bo2bo12b2o$13bo14bo7bo$14b4obo7b3o3b4o$15bo3bo7bo5b2o$16bo10bo3b
o$16bobo9bo3b5o$29b2o$15b3o14b3obo$15b2o16bo3bo$15b3o16b2o$35bo2bo$16b
obo17bobo$16bo$15bo3bo$14b4obo$13bo$12bo2bo$12bo2bo$12bo4bo$13b4o$14bo
$15b2o$16bo2bo$17bobo!

And this one:

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x = 87, y = 127, rule = B3/S23
6bobo$5bo2bo$4b2o$3bo$2b4o$bo4bo$bo2bo$bo2bo$2bo$3b4obo$4bo3bo$5bo$5bo
bo17bobo$24bo2bo$4b3o16b2o$4b2o16bo3bo$4b3o14b3obo$18b2o$5bobo9bo3b5o$
5bo10bo3bo$4bo3bo7bo5b2o$3b4obo7b3o3b4o$2bo14bo7bo$bo2bo12b2o$bo2bo12b
obo$bo4bo10b2o2bo$2b4o12bobo$3bo22bobo$4b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$5bo2bo9bo2bo
bob2o18bobo$6bobobo8bo7b2o14b2o2bo$11bo7bob6obo12b2obo$9bo13bo17b3obo$
8b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$7b2o9b3obobo14b4o$6b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$7b4ob
o8b5o11b3o$9bo8bo18bo3bob3o$13bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo$10b2obo4b2obo
3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$10bo8b2o3b2o5b4o9b4o$11bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$11bo
14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$12b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo25b4o$19b2o8bo5b
6obo6b3o25bo$12bobo2b2ob2obo6b2o8bo8b4o22b2o2b3o$11b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o
3b3o10bo22bo$12b2o7b2o6bo5bobob2o34bo5bo$13b8obobo2b2o47bo4bo$14bobo7b
o2bobo5bobobobo35bo3bo2bo$17b4obobo6bob3o3bo38bo3b4o$17bo3b2o7b2o8b3o
33bob2o2b2ob2o$19b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obob3o5b
2o$19b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obob3o5b2o$22bobo2b
obo3bob4ob3o33bob2o2b2ob2o$31b2o5b2o38bo3b4o$31b4o6bo35bo3bo2bo$34b2ob
obo36bo4bo$37bo37bo5bo$75bo$75b2o2b3o$77bo$77b4o2$77b4o$77bo$75b2o2b3o
$75bo$37bo37bo5bo$34b2obobo36bo4bo$31b4o6bo35bo3bo2bo$31b2o5b2o38bo3b
4o$22bobo2bobo3bob4ob3o33bob2o2b2ob2o$19b4obo2b2o2b4o2bo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2obob3o5b2o$19b2o3bo4bo5bobo7b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2obob3o5b2o$17bo3b2o7b2o8b3o33bob2o2b2ob2o$17b4obobo6bob3o3bo38bo3b
4o$14bobo7bo2bobo5bobobobo35bo3bo2bo$13b8obobo2b2o47bo4bo$12b2o7b2o6bo
5bobob2o34bo5bo$11b2o4bobo2bobo6bob3o3b3o10bo22bo$12bobo2b2ob2obo6b2o
8bo8b4o22b2o2b3o$19b2o8bo5b6obo6b3o25bo$12b4o5b5ob2o2b4o5bo2bobobo3bo
25b4o$11bo14b2obo3bob3o4bo3b2ob2o$11bobo6b3ob2o5b2o10bo$10bo8b2o3b2o5b
4o9b4o$10b2obo4b2obo3b2o7b2o3bobo3bob2obo$13bo3b2o2b4obo10b3obo2b2o4bo
$9bo8bo18bo3bob3o$7b4obo8b5o11b3o$6b2o4bo5b2obo4bo11bo3b4o$7b2o9b3obob
o14b4o$8b3o7b3obobo14bo3bobo$9bo13bo17b3obo$11bo7bob6obo12b2obo$6bobob
o8bo7b2o14b2o2bo$5bo2bo9bo2bobob2o18bobo$4b2o12b2o2bo2bob2o$3bo22bobo$
2b4o12bobo$bo4bo10b2o2bo$bo2bo12bobo$bo2bo12b2o$2bo14bo7bo$3b4obo7b3o
3b4o$4bo3bo7bo5b2o$5bo10bo3bo$5bobo9bo3b5o$18b2o$4b3o14b3obo$4b2o16bo
3bo$4b3o16b2o$24bo2bo$5bobo17bobo$5bo$4bo3bo$3b4obo$2bo$bo2bo$bo2bo$bo
4bo$2b4o$3bo$4b2o$5bo2bo$6bobo!

Sadly I wasn't able to get anywhere on these (about 10 rows from where I chose the slice in each) given 60GB memory. I think 3c/6 is still out of range outside of very lucky exceptions that solve or reduce to c/2 very quickly.

amling · Post by **amling** » January 16th, 2024, 1:47 am

Now that the month plus c/2 min pop search is done the questionable ideas are starting to flow again. First to complete was trying to find a c/6d ant catcher. Unsurprisingly it did not go very well, but was worth a shot. Longest partial:

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x = 12, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
8bo2bo$8bo2bo$9b2o$9b2o2$7bo2bo$7bo2bo$8b2o$8b2o2$6bo2bo$6bo2bo$7b2o$
7b2o2$5bo2bo$5bo2bo$6b2o$6b2o2$4bo2bo$4bo2bo$5b2o$5b2o2$3bo2bo$3bo2bo$
4b2o$4b2o2bo$8bo$5bo$8b2o$b3obo2b2o$bobobo$3bobobo$3b2o$3b2o2b2o$bo4b
3o$2obob2o$2obob2o$bobobo2b2o$b3obobo$4b2o4bo$2b2o2b4o$3b2ob2o2bo!

NooneAtAll3 · Post by **NooneAtAll3** » January 17th, 2024, 10:25 am

maybe worth trying for p7 rake again?

amling · Post by **amling** » January 17th, 2024, 2:17 pm

amling wrote: ↑

January 3rd, 2024, 10:50 pm

Has anyone produced a "trivial p10" like "trivial p6-1" where the p5 and p2 parts touch but there is no p10 cell? I had started looking into this but even normal p5 searches are pretty awful for LLSSS. Even my fairly general search seemed to want to find the same joint between p2 and p4. Here is my best partial so far, with 7 rows of p5:

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| ................... | ................... | ................... | ................... | ................... |
| ........ox.**...... | ........xo.**...... | ........ox.**...... | ........xo.**...... | ........ox.**...... |
| .......x*.o.*...... | .......o*.x.*...... | .......x*.o.*...... | .......o*.x.*...... | .......x*.o.*...... |
| ........o..x...**.. | ........x..o...**.. | ........o..x...**.. | ........x..o...**.. | ........o..x...**.. |
| ..**.....xo....*... | ..**.....ox....*... | ..**.....xo....*... | ..**.....ox....*... | ..**.....xo....*... |
| ..*.*.....*.....*.. | ..*.*....*......*.. | ..*.*.....*.....*.. | ..*.*.....*.....*.. | ..*.*....*......*.. |
| ....*...*......**.. | ....*......*...**.. | ....*...*.***..**.. | ....*...*......**.. | ....*......*...**.. |
| ....**..*.*.*...... | ....**.**..**...... | ....**..***........ | ....**..*.*.**..... | ....**.**....*..... |
| .....*..*...*****.. | ......***.*.*****.. | .............****.. | ........*.....***.. | .........*.*..***.. |
| ..****..***.....*.. | ..****..****....*.. | ..****..*.......*.. | ..****......**..*.. | ..***........*..*.. |
| ..*........*.*.*... | ..*..*.....**..*... | ..*..*..*..**..*... | ..*.....*......*... | ..*..**.**.....*... |
| ...*.*....*..*.**.. | ...*.....*.....**.. | ...*.**.**.....**.. | ...*..****..**.**.. | ...*.*********.**.. |

This is a collapsed view of the true p10 where the parts that are not p5 (and are all p2) have had the disagreements marked with x's and o's. Anyone looking to solve it in p5 can thus just ignore the top part.

Surely this is completable!

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x = 27, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
4b2o9bob2o$3bo2bo6b2o3bo2b2o$2bo2bo11bo3bo2b2o$bob2o3b2o5bo6b2obo$b2o
2b4obo4bo7bo$4bo5bo6bo5bo$b2obo2b2o3b2obobo2b2obobo$b2ob4obo4bo2bo3bo
2b2o$15bo3bobo$6b2ob2o5bo2b2o$7bob2o2bob2o$7bobo2b2ob2o$4b2obobobo3bo
3b2o$4b2obobo3b2o2bo2bo$7bo3bo3b2ob2o$7b4o3bo3bo$10bo7bo$4b2o3b2obo3bo
b2o$3bo2bo2bobo3bo3b2o$4b2obobobo3bobo2bobo$7b2obo5b2o2bo3bo$8b3o7bobo
4bo$5bobo8b3o2bo3bo$3b2o2b2o2b2o3bo4bob2o$4b2obo5bo3b2o2bo$5bo6b2o5b4o
$4bo2b2o14bo$3b2ob3o7bob3o$2b3ob2obo6bob4obob2o$6bo2b2o10b3obo$2b2o2bo
b3o6bo7bo$b3o5bo7bob2obo2bo$4b5obo5b2obo3bo$2bobobo3bo8b2o3bo$5o10b2o
5bob2o$bo2bo2b3o$2bob2o3b2o!

Sadly, LLSSS is not doing very well at p5 searches.

amling · Post by **amling** » January 19th, 2024, 5:58 pm

I ran some s2s searches for 2c/4 negative signals in perpendicular stripes. I guess I was hoping for some inspiration or start on a side corner for a hypothetical negative ship. Unsurprisingly nothing very nice turned up. Longest partial:

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x = 49, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bob2obob
obobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo5bobobobobobobo$obobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobo2b5o2bobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobo9bobobobo
bobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobo2bob10obobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobob
obo4bo5bo2bobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobob2o3bobo4bobobobobobobob
o$obobobobobobobobobobobo2b2o6b2obobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobo
4b2obo5bobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobo6b3o3b2obobobobobobobobo$ob
obobobobobobobobo4b2o7bobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobob2o2b2obo3b
2obobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobo2b2o2b4obobobobobobobobobobobo$o
bobobobobobobobo2bo6bobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobo4b2o4b2obo
bobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobo2bob2o5bobobobobobobobobobobo$ob
obobobobobo2bobobo3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobo5b2o3b4obo
bobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobo5bo6bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobob
obobo2b6o2bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobob2o2bo3bo4bo2bobobobo
bobobobobobobobo$obobobobobo3bo2bobob4obobobobobobobobobobobobo!

The back connection is pretty nice but that front side is a mess, as has generally been true for such boundaries between perpendicular stripes in the front and vacuum in the back.

amling · Post by **amling** » January 21st, 2024, 4:50 am

Searches for more c/4d eaters are underway. I forwarded a partial from an earlier stage of the pipeline for beehives in one orientation but wasn't able to quickly complete it. Here it shows 9 Y rows of strict c/4d but I would not say the partial is particularly healthy-looking due to how outrageously wide it is:

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x = 673, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F.19BA16B4.F.19BA16B
4.F.19BA16B4.F.19BA16B4.F$F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F41.F2.17BABA
16B3.F2.17BABA16B3.F2.17BABA16B3.F2.17BABA16B3.F.18BABA15B4.F.18BABA
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41.F41.F!

A side note to those who read my partials most (I think you two know who you are): is this more or less legible than the usual horrible LLSSS format? It's still a little more work to generate but I could streamline the process further if it's what I decide to do going forward.

amling · Post by **amling** » January 21st, 2024, 2:55 pm

I tried for a 5c/10 backrake, but no luck. The longest partial that actually engage the prompt I would say was this, which isn't even particularly long:

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x = 171, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
F.14B.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F$F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F16.F
16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F$F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.9BA4B.F16.F16.F16.
F16.F16.F$F.8BA5B.F.8B2A4B.F.8B2A4B.F.8B3A3B.F.9B2A3B.F.8BABA3B.F.10B
2A2B.F16.F16.F16.F$F.8B2A4B.F.7BABA4B.F.9B2A3B.F.10BA3B.F.8BABA3B.F.
10BA3B.F.9BA4B.F.10BA3B.F.14B.F16.F$F.7BABA4B.F.9BA4B.F.8BA5B.F.9BA4B
.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F$F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.
F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F$F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F
.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F$F.4BABA7B.F.6BA7B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.
14B.F.14B.F.14B.F.14B.F$F.5B2A7B.F.4BA9B.F.4BABA7B.F.6BA7B.F.14B.F.7B
A6B.F.7BA6B.F.8BA5B.F.7B2A5B.F.7B3A4B.F$F.2BA2BAB2A5B.F.4B2ABA6B.F.5B
2A7B.F.4BA9B.F.4BAB3A5B.F.6BABA5B.F.8B2A4B.F.7B2A5B.F.8B2A4B.F.9BA4B.
F$F.5BA8B.F.2B2ABA2BA5B.F.2BA2BAB2A5B.F.4B2AB3A4B.F.5B2ABA5B.F.4BA3B
2A4B.F.4BABA7B.F.6BABA5B.F.8BA5B.F.8BA5B.F$F.2B2ABA3BA4B.F.2B2ABA2BA
5B.F.5BA2B2A4B.F.2B2ABA8B.F.2BA2BA3BA4B.F.4B2AB3A4B.F.5B3A6B.F.4BA9B.
F.4BABABA5B.F.6BA7B.F$F.3BA2B2ABA4B.F.3BABAB2A5B.F.2B2ABAB3A4B.F.2B2A
BA3BA4B.F.5BA2BA5B.F.2B2ABA2BA5B.F.2BA2BAB3A4B.F.4B2AB2A5B.F.5B2A7B.F
.4BA9B.F$F16.F.6BA3BA3B.F.3BA2B2A6B.F.3BABABABA4B.F.2B2ABABA6B.F.2B2A
BA8B.F.5BA8B.F.2B2ABA8B.F.2BA2BABA6B.F.4B2ABA6B.F$F16.F16.F.3BABA4BA
3B.F.6BAB3A3B.F.3BA2B3A5B.F.3BABABA6B.F.2B2ABAB3A4B.F.2B2ABABABA4B.F.
5BA2BA5B.F.2B2ABA2BA5B.F$F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F.6BAB3A3B.F.3BA2B2ABA4B
.F.3BABABA6B.F.2B2ABAB2A5B.F.2B2ABA2BA5B.F$F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F
16.F.6BA3BA3B.F.3BA2B2A6B.F.3BABAB3A4B.F$F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.F16.
F16.F16.F.6B2A2BA3B.F!

amling · Post by **amling** » January 22nd, 2024, 2:22 am

I tried 3c/6 blocks agar side edges again via LLSSS recentering wrong answers only. The longest partial that actually engaged the prompt was this:

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x = 205, y = 35, rule = LifeHistory
F33.F33.F33.F33.F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F$F33.F33.F.2AB2AB
2AB2A20B.F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F$F.31B.F
.31B.F.31B.F.31B.F.31B.F.31B.F$F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F.2AB2AB2AB2A20B.F.2A
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F$F.2AB2ABA3B3A3B3A3B3A6B.F.2AB2ABA3B2A4BABA3BA2BA5B.F.2AB2ABA3B3A2BA
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2AB2ABA2BABA6B3A3B3A4B.F$F.6BA2BA14B2A5B.F.6BA2BA6BABA3BA2BA5B.F.6BA
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2B2A4BA3B2A3B.F.2AB2ABA2BA2BA3B3ABABA8B.F.2AB2ABA9B5A4BABA3B.F.2AB2AB
A9BA10BA3B.F.2AB2ABABA2BA3B2A10BA3B.F$F.6BABA5BA2B2AB2A2B2A2BA2B.F.6B
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6BA3B2ABA3BA8B2A3B.F.6BA7BA2B2A7B2A3B.F.6BABA4B4A9B2A3B.F.6BABABAB2A
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2AB2ABAB3A4B3ABA2B2A2BA4B.F.2AB2ABABABABAB2AB2ABA2BABA5B.F.2AB2ABA2BA
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3BA4B2ABA6BA3B.F.6BAB2A6B3ABAB2A2B2A3B.F.6BAB2A5B3A2BABA2B3A3B.F.6BAB
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2AB2ABABAB2ABABA2BA3B2ABA5B.F.2AB2ABABAB3A3B2AB2A2B2A6B.F.2AB2ABABABA
BA2B2A2B2A2B3A5B.F.2AB2ABABA2BA3BA3B2A4BA5B.F.2AB2ABAB2AB2A6B3A2B3A4B
.F.2AB2ABABAB3A4BA3BA2BABA4B.F$F.6BABABA6BA2B2A4BA4B.F.6BABAB2A2BA2BA
2BA3BA6B.F.6BABA7B2A6BA6B.F.6BABA3BA2BA5BA2B2A5B.F.6BABA3BA5BA2BA2B2A
5B.F.6BABA9BA3B3ABA4B.F$F.2AB2ABABA6BAB2AB2A3B4A2B.F.2AB2ABABA2BA6B3A
BA5BA2B.F.2AB2ABABA2B2A4B4ABA8B.F.2AB2ABABABABA5B3ABA8B.F.2AB2ABABA3B
2A5B2ABA8B.F.2AB2ABABA2B2A2BA3B2ABAB2A5B.F$F.2AB2ABABABAB2A2B2A4BABAB
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ABABA2BA2BA3BABAB4A3B.F.2AB2ABABABA2B4A3BABABA2BA3B.F.2AB2ABABA2B5A4B
A2BA7B.F$F.6BABABA7B3ABA3BA4B.F.6BABABABA3B3ABABA3B2A3B.F.6BABABABA3B
AB2A2BAB4A3B.F.6BABABAB2AB2AB2A2BAB4A3B.F.6BABABA8BA8BA2B.F.6BABABA2B
3A3BA7B2A2B.F$F.2AB2ABAB2ABA3BA3B2ABA2BA5B.F.2AB2ABABA2BA6BA3BAB2A5B.
F.2AB2ABABA3BA2BA2BA3BA8B.F.2AB2ABABABAB2AB2A3B4A3BA3B.F.2AB2ABABABAB
A5BA8BA3B.F.2AB2ABABABA7B2A4BAB3A2B.F$F.2AB2ABABABA5BA3B2AB2A6B.F.2AB
2ABABAB2A3B2ABA3B4A5B.F.2AB2ABABAB3A3BAB2ABA4BA4B.F.2AB2ABABABA3BABA
2B4A2B2A4B.F.2AB2ABABA2BA2BABA2BA3B3ABA3B.F.2AB2ABA2B3AB3A6B4ABA3B.F$
F.6BABABA4BA2B3A5BABA2B.F.6BABA2BA5B2A2BAB3A5B.F.6BABA2B2AB2AB2A2BA3B
2A4B.F.6BABA5BA6BA3B2A4B.F.6BA4BABABA5B2A2B2A4B.F.6BA3BAB2A2BA3B2A3B
2A4B.F$F.2AB2ABABA3BA5B2A4BA6B.F.2AB2ABA2BA3BABA6B2A3BA3B.F.2AB2ABA2B
A2BABAB2AB2A10B.F.2AB2ABA3BABA18B.F.2AB2ABA2BA4B2A5B2A8B.F.2AB2A2BA
15BABA5B.F$F.2AB2ABA6B3A3B5A4BA2B.F.2AB2ABAB2ABA3BA2B2AB3A7B.F.2AB2AB
A4BA2B3AB4A9B.F.2AB2ABABA4B2ABA4B2A8B.F.2AB2A3BA3B3AB2A2B2A2BA6B.F.2A
BA2B2A4B3ABA2BA2B2ABA5B.F$F.6B2AB2AB2ABA5BA9B.F.7B2AB3A3BA2BA3B2A6B.F
.6B3A10BABAB2A6B.F.8B4A3B3ABAB5A5B.F.5B2A4BA7B2A3BABA4B.F.4BABA3B4AB
2ABAB3A3B2A3B.F$F.2AB3ABA3BA2B2A4B2ABABA5B.F.2AB3A4B3A6BABA9B.F.2AB5A
B2ABA4BA6B2A5B.F33.F33.F33.F$F.2ABA2B2A6BAB2AB2A2BABA5B.F.2ABA2BA10B
4A4B2A4B.F33.F33.F33.F33.F!

It's certainly longish, but it doesn't look exactly healthy to me.

HartmutHolzwart · Post by **HartmutHolzwart** » January 22nd, 2024, 3:40 am

To me it looks as if there is a solution, only we're currently not advanced enough to find it. You're the only one anywhere near it...

The world of 3c/6 seems to be rich, but hard to explore. There is no smallish ship with useful sparks like the *WSS for 2c/4 or the spider for c/5. But who knows!

amling · Post by **amling** » January 23rd, 2024, 3:28 am

I looked a bit at c/4d sparkers, which seem much harder than orthogonal sparkers. For a single dot spark, from a diagonal clearance perspective, it's possible to have no cells other than the dot in its diagonal. The next diagonal over obviously has to have two cells in the generation before, but based on arbitrary width LLSSS searches has to have even more than that. Allowing either one of those two cells to exist in the generation two before the spark both seem viable. Longest partials to 60G memory were:

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11B9.F13.12B9.F13.12B9.F$F13.13B8.F13.13B8.F12.14B8.F12.14B8.F$F12.
15B7.F12.15B7.F11.16B7.F11.16B7.F$F11.17B6.F11.17B6.F10.18B6.F10.18B
6.F$F10.19B5.F10.19B5.F9.20B5.F9.20B5.F$F9.21B4.F9.21B4.F8.22B4.F8.
22B4.F$F8.23B3.F8.23B3.F7.24B3.F7.24B3.F$F7.25B2.F7.6BA18B2.F6.6B2A
18B2.F6.6B2A18B2.F$F6.6B3A18B.F6.6B2A19B.F5.7BA20B.F5.6B2ABA18B.F$F5.
7BA20B.F5.7BAB2A17B.F4.8BAB2A16B2.F4.8BA19B2.F$F4.11B2A15B2.F4.11B3A
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F.4B6A4BA2BABA8B5.F.3B2ABA4B2ABA2BA9B6.F.3B2ABA4B3A13B6.F$F2.2B2A3B2A
B4A3B2A7B6.F2.2B2A3B2A3B2A2BABA7B6.F2.2BA2BA2BA5BA10B7.F2.B2ABABAB2A
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11.F6.A4B2A3BA6B11.F$F7.3BA4B2A6B11.F7.ABAB2A2BA7B11.F7.2BAB5A6B12.F
7.ABAB2A2BA6B12.F$F8.ABA2BA8B12.F8.AB2A10B12.F8.2BA2BA7B13.F8.B2A10B
13.F$F9.2A10B13.F9.3B2A7B13.F9.3BA7B14.F9.2B2A7B14.F$F10.AB2A6B14.F
10.A9B14.F10.BA7B15.F10.BA7B15.F$F11.8B15.F11.8B15.F11.7B16.F11.A6B
16.F$F12.6B16.F12.6B16.F12.5B17.F12.5B17.F$F13.4B17.F13.4B17.F13.3B
18.F13.3B18.F$F14.2B18.F14.2B18.F14.B19.F14.B19.F!

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2$7.F18.B14.F18.B14.F17.2B14.F17.2B14.F$7.F17.3B13.F17.3B13.F16.4B13.
F16.4B13.F$7.F16.5B12.F16.5B12.F15.6B12.F15.6B12.F$7.F15.7B11.F15.7B
11.F14.8B11.F14.8B11.F$7.F14.9B10.F14.9B10.F13.10B10.F13.10B10.F$7.F
13.11B9.F13.11B9.F12.12B9.F12.12B9.F$7.F12.13B8.F12.13B8.F11.14B8.F
11.14B8.F$7.F11.15B7.F11.15B7.F10.16B7.F10.16B7.F$7.F10.17B6.F10.17B
6.F9.18B6.F9.18B6.F$7.F9.19B5.F9.19B5.F8.20B5.F8.20B5.F$7.F8.21B4.F8.
21B4.F7.22B4.F7.22B4.F$7.F7.23B3.F7.23B3.F6.24B3.F6.24B3.F$7.F6.25B2.
F6.25B2.F5.26B2.F5.26B2.F$7.F5.27B.F5.27B.F4.7BA20B.F4.6B2A20B.F$7.F
4.7B2A19B.F4.6B3A19B.F3.7B2A19B2.F3.6BA2BA18B2.F$7.F3.6B2A2BA17B2.F3.
6BA4BA16B2.F2.7B2ABA17B3.F2.6B2A2BA17B3.F$7.F2.6BAB5A15B3.F2.6BA3BABA
15B3.F.6B2A2BA2BAB2A11B4.F.6B2A2BABABAB2A10B4.F$7.F.6BA2BA3BA2B2ABA8B
4.F.6B2ABABAB5A10B4.F.6BA2BA3BA3B2A8B5.F.5B2A5B2A2B3A8B5.F$7.F.6BA2BA
5B2A10B5.F.6BAB2A4B2AB2A8B5.F2.3BA3B3A2BA4BA7B6.F2.4BAB2A2B3A3B2A7B6.
F$7.F2.2BAB2ABA6BA3BA6B6.F2.2B4A8BABA8B6.F3.BA2BA2B3A2B2A9B7.F3.2A7B
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A8BA5B9.F5.A4BA4BA8B9.F$7.F5.BAB2A4BA9B9.F5.3BAB2A2B3A7B9.F6.10BA6B
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12.F$7.F8.2B2A4BA4B12.F8.2B2A9B12.F9.3A8B13.F9.BABA7B13.F$7.F9.4BA6B
13.F9.11B13.F10.ABA6B14.F10.9B14.F$7.F10.B2A6B14.F10.B2A6B14.F11.7B
15.F11.7B15.F$7.F11.7B15.F11.7B15.F12.5B16.F12.5B16.F$7.F12.5B16.F12.
5B16.F13.3B17.F13.3B17.F$7.F13.3B17.F13.3B17.F14.B18.F14.B18.F$7.F14.
B18.F14.B18.F33.F33.F!

You can see the dot spark in the first generation, the two parent cells one diagonal over in the previous fourth generation, and one grandparent cell one diagonal over in the previous previous third generation. In the first partial its the more forward of the two and in the second partial its the less forward of the two.

This is mostly just idle curiosity as I'm not convinced any solution of these would be any more useful of a sparker than what exists, even if they could have theoretically more diagonal clearance. I guess the actual c/4d problem solvers can take a look and let me know if either is worth pursuing.

dbell · Post by **dbell** » January 23rd, 2024, 4:11 am

> I guess the actual c/4d problem solvers can take a look and let me know if either is worth pursuing.

I think they could be useful. It's not just the actual spark which matters, but the nearby parts of the ship too.

That second one in in particular has its spark closer to the front of the ship than existing sparkers, so it could perturb something with junk in the front of it where the old sparkers cannot fit, and there is room for perturbed stuff to grow under the spark. So something new is bound to be possible with it.

Hopefully a completion of these wouldn't need to grow much further on the top or right edges.

BCNU,
-dbell

amling · Post by **amling** » January 23rd, 2024, 5:22 am

dbell wrote: ↑
January 23rd, 2024, 4:11 am
> I guess the actual c/4d problem solvers can take a look and let me know if either is worth pursuing.

I think they could be useful. It's not just the actual spark which matters, but the nearby parts of the ship too.

That second one in in particular has its spark closer to the front of the ship than existing sparkers, so it could perturb something with junk in the front of it where the old sparkers cannot fit, and there is room for perturbed stuff to grow under the spark. So something new is bound to be possible with it.

Hopefully a completion of these wouldn't need to grow much further on the top or right edges.

BCNU,
-dbell

The clearance is quite negotiable, but unfortunately there are a lot of little knobs to twist and turn to try to walk the line between too demanding and not demanding enough. Let's see what we can do to protect that top clearance.

Given how bad that diagonal geometry was doing I've switch to c4d-down (U=X, W=Y) which also helps my sanity a bit. Unfortunately it makes enforcing the NE diagonal clearance somewhat inexact (columns that have wandered too far won't get the right treatment), but something like this works:

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I've put a sloping diagonal edge (but which isn't really right at the rightmost edge of the board) but then also chopped a bunch of Y rows down to disallow cells much farther north than the spark. This same constraint cut even another single quarter Y row down is unsolvable, but as sketched above produces reasonably healthy partials even in extremely preliminary searches (~1GB RAM):

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x = 153, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
F.35B.F.35B.F.35B.F.35B.F$F.35B.F.35B.F.35B.F.35B.F$F.16BA18B.F.4BA
10B2A18B.F.3B2A10B2A18B.F.3B2A9B3A18B.F$F.3B3A9B4A16B.F.3B2A10BA2B2A
15B.F.3BABA8B2A2B2A15B.F.2B2A10BA2B2ABA14B.F$F.3BA11BA2B2A15B.F.3BABA
9BA3BA15B.F.3BA11BA2B3A14B.F.4BA7B2A3BA17B.F$F.4BA8BABABA2BA14B.F.12B
2AB2A3BA14B.F.6BA4B3AB2A2B2A14B.F.6B2A4B2A2BABA16B.F$F.6B2ABA2B3A4B2A
14B.F.6B2AB2AB2A4BA2BA13B.F.6B2ABA3B3A4B2A13B.F.6B3ABA7BAB2A13B.F$F.
7BAB2A4B2A2B2A14B.F.6B2AB3A4B2A3BA13B.F.9BA3BA2B3A16B.F.10BAB2AB3A17B
.F$F.11BAB2AB2AB2A14B.F.7BA3BA2BA2BA17B.F.6B2A3BA23B.F.6B2ABAB2A3BABA
16B.F$F.7B2ABA5BA2BA15B.F.9B2A3BABAB2A15B.F.7BAB3A4BABA16B.F.6B2ABAB
2A4BA17B.F$F.10BAB2A2BA3BA14B.F.7B2ABA5B2A17B.F.8BA2BA4BA2BA15B.F.7B
2A6B2AB2A15B.F$F.6BA2B2A4B2A2B4A12B.F.9B2A5BABA2B2A12B.F.6BA3B2ABA2BA
BA2B2A12B.F.5B2A3B2ABABABA2B3A12B.F$F.6BA2BA2B3ABAB2A3BA11B.F.5B2ABA
3B3ABABA2BABA11B.F.5B3A4BABA6BA13B.F.5BABA4BABA5B3A12B.F$F.6BABAB2ABA
4BA4BA11B.F.6BA3B2AB2A20B.F.6BA3B2A2B2A3BA15B.F.8BABA3B3ABABA14B.F$F.
7B3A7B2A16B.F.6BA4BA5B3A15B.F.6B2ABAB2A3B2ABA15B.F.5BA2B2A3BAB2A2B2A
14B.F$F.7BAB2A8BABA13B.F.7BAB2A5B2ABA15B.F.6B2A2B3A6BA15B.F.6B2A8BABA
16B.F$F.11BA3BABABABA13B.F.6BA4BABABABABABA13B.F.9B2AB2ABA19B.F.5B2AB
3A2BA2BABABA14B.F$F.5B2A4B7A2BA14B.F.4B5A4B3AB4A14B.F.4BABABA4BABABAB
ABA13B.F.3B2A2B2ABAB2ABA19B.F$F.4B2AB3AB2A7BABA12B.F.4BA3BA2BA9BA13B.
F.3B2ABA2BA6BA18B.F37.F!

Is it a problem that the ship can continue directly west of the spark? Should I force its front edge to continue SW instead?

A similar process for the other grandparent cell works well with the top cut this far back:

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x = 157, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
F.36B.F.36B.F.36B.F.36B.F$F.36B.F.36B.F.36B.F.36B.F$F.15B2A19B.F.16BA
19B.F.13BA22B.F.13B4A19B.F$F.4BA8BA3BA2BA15B.F.3B2A7B3A2BAB2A15B.F.3B
2A7BAB4A2B2A14B.F.2B3A7B4A2B3ABA13B.F$F.3B2A7B2A3B3ABA14B.F.3BABA6B2A
2BA4B2A13B.F.2B2A7BA4B3AB3A13B.F.2BA7B2A6B2A16B.F$F.3BABA5BA5B3AB2A
13B.F.3BA7BABA3BA4BA13B.F.4BA5B2AB2A2BA3B2A13B.F.3BA6B2AB4A5BA13B.F$F
.7BA3BA2BA5B2A14B.F.6BA3B2ABA4BA17B.F.6B2A5B2A3B2A16B.F.5B3A4B2AB3ABA
BA14B.F$F.6BA2BA2B2A6BABA13B.F.6B2A2B3A2BA3B2A15B.F.6B2A7BABAB2A15B.F
.6B3A5BAB2AB2A15B.F$F.6BA3BA2B3A4BA15B.F.9B2A2B5ABABA14B.F.9BA7BA3BA
14B.F.8B2ABA4BA2BA16B.F$F.10B2A4B3A17B.F.10B4AB3AB3A14B.F.9B4A6BA16B.
F.9BA3BA5B2A15B.F$F.13BA6B2A14B.F.5BA8B4A2B3A13B.F.4B2A5B3A4B2A2BA13B
.F.4B2A2B2A3BA6BA15B.F$F.4B3ABA5B2A5B2A13B.F.4B4A7B2A19B.F.4BA2B2A9B
2A2BA13B.F.3B2A2B4A3BA5BA15B.F$F.4BA2BA3B3AB2A3B3A13B.F.4BA2B2A2BABAB
3AB2ABA13B.F.4BA3BAB3AB2AB3A16B.F.4BABABABAB2AB2A3BA15B.F$F.7BA3BABA
3B2ABA15B.F.6B2A2B2A6BA17B.F.5B2ABAB3A3BABABA15B.F.4B3ABA3B2AB2ABA17B
.F$F.4BA2BABA3B2AB3AB3A13B.F.6BA11BABABA13B.F.5BA2BABA25B.F.4B2A2BABA
9B2A14B.F$F.5BA3BABAB4A4B2A13B.F.5BABABA10BABA13B.F.5BABA2BA8B2ABA13B
.F.6BABAB2A2BA4B2A15B.F$F.6B2ABABAB3A20B.F.6B2ABABABA2BA4BA14B.F.9BAB
AB3A3BA3BA12B.F.7B2ABAB2ABA3B5A12B.F$F.8B2ABA10B3A11B.F.7B3AB2AB2A3B
2AB2A12B.F.6B2A5B3A6BA13B.F.12B2A3B2A4BA12B.F$F.10BA5BAB5A13B.F.9B3A
4B6A14B.F.16B3A5BA11B.F.7B2A3B2AB3A5B3A10B.F$F.12BA2BABA5B2A11B.F.9BA
BAB3A4B5A11B.F.8B2ABABA10B2A10B.F.12BA5BA4BA12B.F$F.8BABA2B2A2B2A5BA
11B.F.9BABAB2AB2ABA2BAB2A10B.F.13BA2B2A6B2A10B.F.8B2A10BA3B2A10B.F$F.
10BA7B2AB2A2BA10B.F.17B5A14B.F.9BABA7B3A14B.F.10BA5B2AB3A14B.F$F.8BA
11BA15B.F.8BAB2AB4A19B.F.8BA2BABA2BA3BA15B.F.7B2A11BABA13B.F$F.7BAB2A
B8ABABA12B.F.7BAB3AB2ABABA17B.F.6BAB2A3BA4BA3B2A12B.F.6B3A2B5A2BA4BA
12B.F$F.7BA2BA3BABABAB3A13B.F38.F38.F38.F!

I haven't figured out the exact point of unsolvability for cutting back Y rows yet and it's not clear if it's worth figuring it out so strictly.

Should I try to solve one of these as-is? Wait to see what a night of searches coughs up? Try to restrict the constraint files further in some fashion?

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