Thread for your unsure discoveries

[C28]

I tested all the common still lives. none of them even come close to working.

So, the only hope is to use a Bellman catalyst to replace it, rather than trying to restore an uncommon sacrificial object. Hotdogpi's pattern seems on the right track, though that specific type of interaction seems doomed to fail, as there isn't enough room on the right to save it.

i agree. also, it might be better to continue this in a new thread to avoid clutter.

[ihatecorderships]

Glider insertion technique:

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x = 21, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory
12.3D$12.D$4.A.A5.3D$4.2A$5.A12.C$2.D8.3C4.C.C$2D9.C.C4.2C$.2D8.C.C!

[GUYTU6J]

Raw catagolue reactions dump:

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x = 294, y = 268, rule = B3/S23
215bo$214bobo$207b2o5bo2bo$207b2o6b2o3$208bo$207b3o$206b5o$205b2o3b2o$
206b5o$207b3o$208bo3$204b2ob2o$203b2o3b2o$204b2ob2o$146b3o56b3o$192b2o
12bo$144bo5bo40bo2bo$144bo5bo41b2o$144bo5bo2$146b3o68bo$209b2o5bobo$
209b2o5bobo$150b2o65bo$150b2o$217bo$217bo$142b3o72bo$142bo2b3o$145b3o$
137bo5bo2bo$136bobo5bo5b2o$136bobo10bobo$137bo11b2o31$223bo$222bobo$
223bo3$176b3o55bo$182bo51bo$182bobo49bo$181bo2bo$182b2o48bo$231b3o$
173bo56b2ob2o$173bo57b3o$173bo7bobo48bo$181bo2bo$122b3o44b3o3b3o3bobo$
122b3o$121bo3bo47bo$120b2o44b3o4bo4b2o$121bo2bo48bo4bobo64bo$121bo57bo
64bobo$120bo107b2o15b2o$120bo9bo97b2o$130bo$122b2o6bo2$126b3o6b2o$135b
2o$126b2o$126b2o$125bo2bo$126b2o5$241b2o$241b2o$122bo$121bobo$121bobo$
122bo$119bo5bo$119bo5bo$119bo5bo2$121b3o9$203b2o$203b2o4$199b2o$199b2o
5b2o$206b2o$193b2o16b2o$193bobo3bo10bo2bo$194bo4bo3b2o5bobo$71b2o126bo
3b2o6bo$71b2o$65bobo$66b2o$66bo2$271b2o$204b2o65b2o$204b2ob2o$203bo3b
2o$204b2o3bo$204b2ob2o65b3o$207b2o2$81b2o$81b2o191bo$65b3o205bobo$148b
2o59b2o62bobo$148b2o58bobo63bo$210bo$132b2o$52b2o77bo2bo$51bo2bo76bobo
$52b2o78bo$143bo$137b2o4b2o123b3o$53b2o81bo2bo2bobo143b2o$53b2o80b2o
129bo5bo15b2o$136bo129bo5bo$266bo5bo$280b3o$53bo214b3o8bo2bo$52bobo
223bo$53bo225bo2bo$280b3o9$282b2o$282b2o17$15b2o$15b2o$90b2o$31b2o52b
2o3b2o$30bobo51bob2o128b2o$24bo6bo51b2obo60b2o5b2o60b2o19b2o$24bo59b2o
61bo2bo3b2o66bo12bo2bo$24bo123bobo70bobo11bobo$148b3o71b2o11b3o$16bo
195b2o3bo$15bob2o133b2o58b2o2bobo$15bo4bo130bo2bo61bo2bo7bo$16b2o2b2o
129bo2bo62b2o8bo$19b2o66bo7b2o46b2o7b2o73bo$86b3o6b2o46b2o$85bo3bo133b
3o$9bo75b2ob2o$9bo$9bo$2o$2o3b2o$5b2o276b2o$283bo$283bo4bo$284bobobo$
285bo6$278b2o5b2obo$278b2o6b3o$287bo4$53b3o$52bo2b2o$53b2ob2o229b2o$
54bo2bo228bo2bo2b2o$55b2o230b2o3b2o2$51bo$51bo$53bo$53b2o104bo$54b2o
11bo91bo$53b2o11bobo87b4o$53bo13bo89bo$62b2o$62b2o6b3o85b2o$161b2o$
158bo4bo$164bo$68b2o$68b2o95bo$159bo$159bo4bo$159bo2bo55bo$160b3o54bob
o$216bo2bo$165b2o50b2o$165b2o3$168b2o44bo$168b2o42bo2bo$162bo50b3o$
162bo48bo9b2o$162bo48bo9b2o$210bobo$211b2o!

For something more usable, please go to the Synthesising Oscillators thread.

[hotdogPi]

LOM becomes edgeshot block when it hits a hook with tail

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x = 5, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b3o$bobo$bo2bo$2bobo$2b3o4$2bobo$bob2o$bo$2o!

(zoom out)

[EvinZL]

Supressed scorbie splitter:

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x = 58, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
4.BA34.A6.2A$3.ABAB33.3A3.B2AB$4.2A2B10.A24.A2.4B$5.4B7.3A23.2A3.2B$
6.4B5.A21.B4.3B.4B$7.4B4.2A19.3B5.7B$2A6.9B17.6B3.11B$.A7.6B13.4B2.7B
2.12B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.31B$2.A2.A4.47B$3.2AB3.49B$4.14B2A13B2A23B$5.
13B2A13B2A21B$6.51B$6.17B.B5.26B$7.15B10.B2.19B$7.15B12.19B$8.13B12.
21B$10.13B10.8B2.11B$9.8B4.2A.A6.2AB2.5B2.11B$9.6B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.
9B.B2A$9.5B8.B4.A2.A13.8B.BA.A$9.B.B9.2A.3A2.2A12.9B4.A$10.3B9.A.A17.
9B5.2A$9.B2AB9.A.A16.4B2.3B$10.2A11.A16.4B4.B!

[dvgrn]

Sup[p]ressed scorbie splitter:

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x = 58, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
4.BA34.A6.2A$3.ABAB33.3A3.B2AB$4.2A2B10.A24.A2.4B$5.4B7.3A23.2A3.2B$
6.4B5.A21.B4.3B.4B$7.4B4.2A19.3B5.7B$2A6.9B17.6B3.11B$.A7.6B13.4B2.7B
2.12B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.31B$2.A2.A4.47B$3.2AB3.49B$4.14B2A13B2A23B$5.
13B2A13B2A21B$6.51B$6.17B.B5.26B$7.15B10.B2.19B$7.15B12.19B$8.13B12.
21B$10.13B10.8B2.11B$9.8B4.2A.A6.2AB2.5B2.11B$9.6B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.
9B.B2A$9.5B8.B4.A2.A13.8B.BA.A$9.B.B9.2A.3A2.2A12.9B4.A$10.3B9.A.A17.
9B5.2A$9.B2AB9.A.A16.4B2.3B$10.2A11.A16.4B4.B!

Yikes, that's a useful simplification that I didn't think of looking for! It should be preferred over the standard Scorbie Splitter whenever the extra glider output (stopped by the white eater in the pattern below) isn't needed:

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x = 63, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
46.A$46.3A$49.A$4.BA34.A7.2A$3.ABAB33.3A5.4B$4.2A2B10.A24.A6.4B$5.4B
7.3A23.2A3.8B$6.4B5.A21.B4.3B.9B$7.4B4.2A19.3B5.14B$2A6.9B17.6B3.16B$
.A7.6B13.4B2.7B2.16B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.33B$2.A2.A4.48B$3.2AB3.50B$4.
14B2A13B2A24B$5.13B2A13B2A21B.4B$6.51B2.2C$6.17B.B5.26B3.C$7.15B10.B
2.19B6.3C$7.15B12.19B9.C$8.13B12.21B$10.13B10.8B2.11B$9.8B4.2A.A6.2AB
2.5B2.11B$9.6B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.9B.B2A$9.5B8.B4.A2.A13.8B.BA.A$9.B.B
9.2A.3A2.2A12.9B4.A$10.3B9.A.A17.9B5.2A$9.B2AB9.A.A16.4B2.3B$10.2A11.
A16.4B4.B!

There are piles of Scorbie Splitters used as merge circuits in the new pi-calculator printer, for example, that really ought to be replaced with this version.

[ihatecorderships]

Supressed scorbie splitter:

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x = 58, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
4.BA34.A6.2A$3.ABAB33.3A3.B2AB$4.2A2B10.A24.A2.4B$5.4B7.3A23.2A3.2B$
6.4B5.A21.B4.3B.4B$7.4B4.2A19.3B5.7B$2A6.9B17.6B3.11B$.A7.6B13.4B2.7B
2.12B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.31B$2.A2.A4.47B$3.2AB3.49B$4.14B2A13B2A23B$5.
13B2A13B2A21B$6.51B$6.17B.B5.26B$7.15B10.B2.19B$7.15B12.19B$8.13B12.
21B$10.13B10.8B2.11B$9.8B4.2A.A6.2AB2.5B2.11B$9.6B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.
9B.B2A$9.5B8.B4.A2.A13.8B.BA.A$9.B.B9.2A.3A2.2A12.9B4.A$10.3B9.A.A17.
9B5.2A$9.B2AB9.A.A16.4B2.3B$10.2A11.A16.4B4.B!

If only the eater two could be reduced...

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x = 58, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
4.BA34.A6.2A$3.ABAB33.3A3.B2AB$4.2A2B10.A24.A2.4B$5.4B7.3A23.2A3.2B$6.
4B5.A21.B4.3B.4B$7.4B4.2A19.3B5.7B$2A6.9B17.6B3.11B$.A7.6B13.4B2.7B2.
12B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.31B$2.A2.A4.47B$3.2AB3.49B$4.14B2A13B2A23B$5.13B
2A13B2A21B$6.51B$6.17B.B5.26B$7.15B10.B2.19B$7.15B12.19B$8.13B4.2A6.21B
$10.13B3.A6.8B2.11B$9.8B4.2A.A8.B2.5B2.11B$9.6B6.2AB2A7.B2.4B3.9B.B2A
$9.5B8.B21.8B.BA.A$9.B.B9.2A.2A17.9B4.A$10.3B9.A.2A16.9B5.2A$9.B2AB7.
A20.4B2.3B$10.2A8.2A18.4B4.B!

[EvinZL]

Yet another way to use the pi edgeshooter, this one with a repeat time of 418 which seems to be better than all the other variants

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x = 120, y = 99, rule = LifeHistory
74.2A$49.2A24.A$50.A13.2A6.3A14.2A$50.A.AB9.B2A2B4.A7.2A6.B2AB$51.2AB
.3B6.4B.3B7.B2AB5.3B$53.7B2.11B6.3B7.B$53.22B.B3.B.2B3.5B$54.24BD10BA
4B$53.26BD8BABA4B$51.28B2D7BABA4B$49.29B2D9BA4B$49.2BC26BD13B9.2B$48.
3BCBC4B.37B4.4B.2B5.B$49.2B3C4B2.16B.32B.6B.2B$48.5BC4B2.7B.4B5.39B3D
B$47.10B4.6B2.2B6.41BDB$46.4B11.6B10.39B3DB$45.4B13.3B13.41B$44.4B12.
7B13.37B$43.4B13.2A.B.2A16.28B.4B$42.4B15.A3.A16.16B3.5B.2B3.4B$41.4B
13.3A5.3A13.16B4.4B7.2B$40.4B14.A9.A13.15B3.5B$39.4B37.9B.3B7.2A$38.
4B38.3BD2B2D2B11.A$37.4B38.5B3D2B9.3A$36.4B39.6BD2B10.A$35.4B40.10B$
34.4B41.9B$33.4B41.11B$32.4B43.10B$31.4B44.9B$30.4B46.8B.2B$29.4B47.
10B2A$28.4B45.B2.10B2A$27.4B45.2AB.8B.2B$26.4B46.2A11B$25.4B48.B.10B$
24.4B53.8B$9.A13.4B52.12B$9.3A10.4B53.2A2.6B2A$12.A8.4B55.A3.5BA.A$
11.2A7.4B53.3A4.3B4.A$11.5B3.4B54.A5.5B3.2A$13.3B2.4B61.5B$3.2A7.9B
62.6B$3.A8.8B63.6B$2A.A.B3.10B64.5B$A2.3AB.2B2A2BD4B63.6B.2B$.2A2.BA
3B2A2BDBD2B64.7B2C$3.4A7B2D3B63.6B.B2C$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A61.6B2.B$4.3AB2.
7B.BA.A60.7B$7.A4.4B5.A60.7B$2.5A5.4B5.2A58.8B$2.A10.4B65.8B$4.A9.4B
63.9B$3.2A10.4B62.9B$16.4B61.10B$17.4B60.5B2A3B$18.4B59.5B2A4B3.2A$
19.4B58.11B3.A$20.4B57.4BD7BA.A$21.4B58.B3D4B2.2A$22.4B39.3B15.D2B2D
2B$23.4B38.5B13.6B$24.4B36.6B13.5B$25.4B10.A24.8B10.7B$26.4B7.3A24.8B
11.6B$27.4B5.A21.B4.9B11.5B$28.4B4.2A19.3B3.11B6.8B$21.2A6.9B17.6B2.
13B2.10B$22.A7.6B13.4B2.7B.13B.12B$22.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.28B2.13B$23.A
2.A4.19BD25B.12B$24.2AB3.6BD13BDBD23B.13B$25.9BDBD2B2A9B3DB2A34B$26.
9B2D2B2A11BDB2A22BD13B$27.51B2D9BA4B$27.17B.B5.28B2D7BABA4B$28.15B10.
B2.23BD8BABA4B$28.15B12.23BD10BA4B$29.13B12.24B2.4B3.5B$31.13B10.24B.
3B7.B$30.8B4.2A.A6.2AB2.20B2.B2AB5.3B$30.6B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.18B5.2A6.B
2AB$30.5B8.B4.A2.A6.18B.B11.2A$30.B.B9.2A.3A2.2A7.18B2A$31.3B9.A.A13.
18B2A$30.B2AB9.A.A13.3B3.13B$31.2A11.A15.B2.3B.11B$63.2A2.9B$64.A3.7B
$61.3A5.4B$61.A8.5B$73.2A$73.A$74.3A$76.A!

EDIT: This is why you should hold ceremonies to worship the parity god. Sub-400 (338) rt

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x = 102, y = 89, rule = LifeHistory
56.2A$31.2A24.A$32.A13.2A6.3A14.2A$32.A.AB9.B2A2B4.A7.2A6.B2AB$33.2AB
.3B6.4B.3B7.B2AB5.3B$35.7B2.11B6.3B7.B$35.22B.B3.B.2B3.5B$36.24BD10BA
4B$35.26BD8BABA4B$33.28B2D7BABA4B$31.29B2D9BA4B$31.2BC26BD13B9.2B$30.
3BCBC4B.37B4.4B.2B5.B$31.2B3C4B2.16B.32B.6B.2B$30.5BC4B2.7B.4B5.39B3D
B$29.10B4.6B2.2B6.41BDB$28.4B11.6B10.39B3DB$27.4B13.3B13.41B$26.4B12.
7B13.37B$25.4B13.2A.B.2A16.28B.4B$24.4B15.A3.A16.16B3.5B.2B3.4B$9.A13.
4B13.3A5.3A13.16B4.4B7.2B$9.3A10.4B14.A9.A13.15B3.5B$12.A8.4B37.9B.3B
7.2A$11.2A7.4B38.3BD2B2D2B11.A$11.5B3.4B38.5B3D2B9.3A$13.3B2.4B39.6BD
2B10.A$3.2A7.9B40.10B$3.A8.8B41.9B$2A.A.B3.10B41.11B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B42.
10B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B42.9B$3.4A12B43.8B.2B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A41.10B2A$4.3AB2.
7B.BA.A37.B2.10B2A$7.A4.4B5.A36.2AB.8B.2B$2.5A5.4B5.2A35.2A11B$2.A10.
4B25.A16.B.10B$4.A9.4B23.A.A19.8B$3.2A10.4B22.A.A17.12B$16.4B20.2A.3A
15.2A2.6B2A$17.4B7.2A11.B4.A15.A3.5BA.A$18.4B5.B2AB4.2B2.B2AB3A13.3A4.
3B4.A$19.4B3.7B.6B2A.A15.A5.5B3.2A$20.22B23.5B$21.19B25.6B$22.19B24.6B
$23.18B24.5B$22.19B23.6B.2B$21.20B.2B21.7B2C$21.22B2A19.6B.B2C$21.13B
A6B.B2A19.6B2.B$19.14BABA5B2.B20.7B$19.14BA2BA5B22.7B$18.16B2A5B22.8B
$17.2AB2.19B23.8B$16.A.AB2.20B21.9B$16.A4.3B.16B2A20.9B$15.2A3.21B2A20.
10B$20.10B2.7B.2B21.5B2A3B$20.10B2.6B19.A5.5B2A4B3.2A$22.8B3.4B20.3A3.
11B3.A$22.4B.2B3.2B14.A11.A2.4BD7BA.A$23.3B5.B2AB13.3A8.2A4.B3D4B2.2A
$23.4B5.2A17.A7.6BD2B2D2B$24.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.10B$25.4B7.3A11.8B2.11B$
26.4B5.A16.19B$27.4B4.2A15.20B2A$20.2A6.9B14.21B2A$21.A7.6B14.25B$21.
A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.26B$22.A2.A4.19BD14B4.4B$23.2AB3.20BDBD4B.6B6.B.B2A.
A$24.14B2A9B3D4B2.B.5B6.B2AB3A$25.13B2A11BD4B7.2A8.B4.A$26.29B8.A8.2A
.3A$26.17B.B.2B16.3A6.A.A$27.15B4.3B17.A6.A.A$27.15B5.A2B.2A21.A$28.13B
5.A.A2B.A$30.13B2.A.AB2.A$29.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$29.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$29.5B8.B
2.A.A3.A.A$29.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$30.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$29.B2AB9.A.A$30.2A
11.A!

EDIT2: Why does the htoh collection use this eater2 variant? It has neither bounding box, population, nor constructability advantage

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x = 7, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
2A.A.A$2A.2A.A$6.A$2A.3A$.A.A$.A$2A!

[C28]

glider turns boat into loaf

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x = 13, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b2o$b2o4bo$6bo$6b3o$bo$obo$b2o2$6b2obo$6b2ob3o$12bo$6b2ob3o$7bobo$7bo
bo$8bo!

[ihatecorderships]

Is this 4G synth of a still-life-which-i-dont-know-the-name-of known?

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x = 6, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
3.C$3.C.C$3.2C2$2.C$C.C$.2C6$3.2C$3.C.C$3.C2$.2C$C.C$2.C!

[hotdogPi]

Is this 4G synth of a still-life-which-i-dont-know-the-name-of known?

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x = 6, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
3.C$3.C.C$3.2C2$2.C$C.C$.2C6$3.2C$3.C.C$3.C2$.2C$C.C$2.C!

Yes. That's a sidewalk, which can be created with two pi heptominoes (which is exactly what the synthesis you showed does).

[Entity Valkyrie 2]

Sub-400 (338) rt

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x = 102, y = 89, rule = LifeHistory
56.2A$31.2A24.A$32.A13.2A6.3A14.2A$32.A.AB9.B2A2B4.A7.2A6.B2AB$33.2AB
.3B6.4B.3B7.B2AB5.3B$35.7B2.11B6.3B7.B$35.22B.B3.B.2B3.5B$36.24BD10BA
4B$35.26BD8BABA4B$33.28B2D7BABA4B$31.29B2D9BA4B$31.2BC26BD13B9.2B$30.
3BCBC4B.37B4.4B.2B5.B$31.2B3C4B2.16B.32B.6B.2B$30.5BC4B2.7B.4B5.39B3D
B$29.10B4.6B2.2B6.41BDB$28.4B11.6B10.39B3DB$27.4B13.3B13.41B$26.4B12.
7B13.37B$25.4B13.2A.B.2A16.28B.4B$24.4B15.A3.A16.16B3.5B.2B3.4B$9.A13.
4B13.3A5.3A13.16B4.4B7.2B$9.3A10.4B14.A9.A13.15B3.5B$12.A8.4B37.9B.3B
7.2A$11.2A7.4B38.3BD2B2D2B11.A$11.5B3.4B38.5B3D2B9.3A$13.3B2.4B39.6BD
2B10.A$3.2A7.9B40.10B$3.A8.8B41.9B$2A.A.B3.10B41.11B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B42.
10B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B42.9B$3.4A12B43.8B.2B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A41.10B2A$4.3AB2.
7B.BA.A37.B2.10B2A$7.A4.4B5.A36.2AB.8B.2B$2.5A5.4B5.2A35.2A11B$2.A10.
4B25.A16.B.10B$4.A9.4B23.A.A19.8B$3.2A10.4B22.A.A17.12B$16.4B20.2A.3A
15.2A2.6B2A$17.4B7.2A11.B4.A15.A3.5BA.A$18.4B5.B2AB4.2B2.B2AB3A13.3A4.
3B4.A$19.4B3.7B.6B2A.A15.A5.5B3.2A$20.22B23.5B$21.19B25.6B$22.19B24.6B
$23.18B24.5B$22.19B23.6B.2B$21.20B.2B21.7B2C$21.22B2A19.6B.B2C$21.13B
A6B.B2A19.6B2.B$19.14BABA5B2.B20.7B$19.14BA2BA5B22.7B$18.16B2A5B22.8B
$17.2AB2.19B23.8B$16.A.AB2.20B21.9B$16.A4.3B.16B2A20.9B$15.2A3.21B2A20.
10B$20.10B2.7B.2B21.5B2A3B$20.10B2.6B19.A5.5B2A4B3.2A$22.8B3.4B20.3A3.
11B3.A$22.4B.2B3.2B14.A11.A2.4BD7BA.A$23.3B5.B2AB13.3A8.2A4.B3D4B2.2A
$23.4B5.2A17.A7.6BD2B2D2B$24.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.10B$25.4B7.3A11.8B2.11B$
26.4B5.A16.19B$27.4B4.2A15.20B2A$20.2A6.9B14.21B2A$21.A7.6B14.25B$21.
A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.26B$22.A2.A4.19BD14B4.4B$23.2AB3.20BDBD4B.6B6.B.B2A.
A$24.14B2A9B3D4B2.B.5B6.B2AB3A$25.13B2A11BD4B7.2A8.B4.A$26.29B8.A8.2A
.3A$26.17B.B.2B16.3A6.A.A$27.15B4.3B17.A6.A.A$27.15B5.A2B.2A21.A$28.13B
5.A.A2B.A$30.13B2.A.AB2.A$29.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$29.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$29.5B8.B
2.A.A3.A.A$29.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$30.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$29.B2AB9.A.A$30.2A
11.A!

This would have a repeat time of 204:

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x = 84, y = 72, rule = B3/S23
56b2o$31b2o24bo$32bo13b2o6b3o14b2o$32bobo11b2o6bo7b2o7b2o$33b2o27b2o3$
71bo$70bobo$70bobo$71bo$33bo$33bobo$33b3o$35bo5$42b2o3b2o$43bo3bo$9bo
30b3o5b3o$9b3o28bo9bo$12bo69b2o$11b2o70bo$80b3o$80bo$3b2o$3bo$2obo$o2b
3o4b2o$b2o3bo3b2o$3b4o$3bo15b2o10bo40b2o$4b3o12bobo7b3o40b2o$7bo13bo6b
o29b2o$2b5o14b2o5b2o28b2o$2bo$4bo$3b2o$61b2o8b2o$56b2o4bo8bobo$56bo2b
3o11bo$57bobo13b2o$56b2o$57bo6bo8b4o$14b2o41bobo3bobo7bo2bo$14b2o42b2o
4b2o2$56bo$36b2o16b3o$25b2o9b2o15bo18b2o$24bo2bo25b2o17bobo$25bobo46bo
$26bo47b2o4$13bob2o48b2o$11b3ob2o13b2o11b2o20b2o$10bo19b2o10bobo5b2o$
11b3ob2o6b2o17bo7b2o$13bobo7b2o16b2o$13bobo$14bo40bo$51b2obobo$50bobob
obo$47bo2bobobobob2o$47b4ob2o2bo2bo$51bo4b2o$49bobo$49b2o!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY PASTET 358 PASTE b! 72 44 ]]

If it was not for this one cell that turned on (next to the eater-on-table):

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x = 84, y = 72, rule = StateInvestigator
56.2A$31.2A24.A$32.A13.2A6.3A14.2A$32.A.A11.2A6.A7.2A7.2A$33.2A27.2A
3$71.A$70.A.A$70.A.A$71.A$33.A$33.A.A$33.3A$35.A5$42.2A3.2A$43.A3.A$
9.A30.3A5.3A$9.3A28.A9.A$12.A69.2A$11.2A70.A$80.3A$80.A$3.2A$3.A$2A.A
$A2.3A4.2A$.2A3.A3.2A$3.4A$3.A15.2A10.A40.2A$4.3A12.A.A7.3A40.2A$7.A
13.A6.A29.2A$2.5A14.2A5.2A28.2A$2.A$4.A$3.2A$61.2A8.2A$56.2A4.A8.A.A$
56.A2.3A11.A$57.A.A13.2A$56.2A14.E$57.A6.A8.4A$14.2A41.A.A3.A.A7.A2.A
$14.2A42.2A4.2A2$56.A$36.2A16.3A$25.2A9.2A15.A18.2A$24.A2.A25.2A17.A.
A$25.A.A46.A$26.A47.2A4$13.A.2A48.2A$11.3A.2A13.2A11.2A20.2A$10.A19.
2A10.A.A5.2A$11.3A.2A6.2A17.A7.2A$13.A.A7.2A16.2A$13.A.A$14.A40.A$51.
2A.A.A$50.A.A.A.A$47.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$47.4A.2A2.A2.A$51.A4.2A$49.A.A$49.
2A!

[Null]

This variant of the eater2 inside the Scorbie Splitter may give more room for catalysts to do something fun. (Twit shown as an example)
Or alternatively just decrease the cost as is, cause it is less crowded

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x = 58, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
5.A34.A6.2A$3.A.A34.3A4.2A$4.2A12.A24.A$16.3A23.2A$15.A$15.2A$2A$.A$.
A.2A$2.A2.A$3.2A$18.2A13.2A$18.2A13.2A5$25.2A$26.A$21.2A.A$21.2A.2A28.
2A$54.A.A$21.2A.2A30.A$19.A2.A.2A9.2A19.2A$10.2A7.2A10.A3.2A$10.2A18.
A.A$29.A.A$29.A$28.2A!

[EvinZL]

Or alternatively just decrease the cost as is

That eater 2 variant isn't even synthesizable

EDIT: This form seems better, however, it will still be probably worse than the standard variant. In addition, the twit isn't spartan either

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o5$13b2o$7bobo4bo$8b2o2bo$8bo3b2o2$9b2o3bo$10bo2b2o$7b3o3bo
bo$7bo!

[dvgrn]

This variant of the eater2 inside the Scorbie Splitter may give more room for catalysts to do something fun. (Twit shown as an example)
Or alternatively just decrease the cost as is, cause it is less crowded...

That's certainly possible, at least theoretically. We wouldn't know for sure about decreased cost unless we created slow-salvo recipes for every orientation of that eater2 variant, and added them to slsparse.

However, the odds of a cost savings seem pretty low, given that that eater2 variant has never appeared naturally in any soup census in Catagolue -- not even from symmetric soups! -- whereas the standard eater2 and many other variants have appeared thousands of times. Appearances in Catagolue are a fairly decent proxy for construction difficulty.

EDIT: No soups for the aircraft carrier / hat version either. This one has a synthesis listed on Catagolue (even though it's also a pseudo still life) -- but the synthesis is one that would be quite painful to convert into a slow-salvo synthesis.

... So, long story short, it's pretty unlikely that anyone will be doing the rather large amount of work needed to follow up on this. It's kind of a solution in search of a problem, since slsparse has no difficulty building standard eater2s and fishhook eaters in close proximity, and nobody has yet come up with anything useful to do with that standard dependent-conduit output glider.

Someday maybe a direct Spartan highway-robber reflector or lane-shifter may show up that can rescue that glider, and then it might well make sense to look at this again!

[Null]

While I agree with your point, that SL doesn't seem to be there cause it's a pseudo SL.
That being said, I wholeheartedly agree (hoping for the next small thing), and posted the above post just for what it's worth.
Thanks.

Edit: Also, to clarify, only the top-right part is relevant, it's equally good to have a hat in the bottom for example:

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x = 6, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
4.2A$5.A$2A.A$2A.2A2$2A.2A$.A.A$.A.A$2.A!

[EvinZL]

While I agree with your point, that SL doesn't seem to be there cause it's a pseudo SL.
That being said, I wholeheartedly agree (hoping for the next small thing), and posted the above post just for what it's worth.
Thanks.

Edit: Also, to clarify, only the top-right part is relevant, it's equally good to have a hat in the bottom for example:

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x = 6, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
4.2A$5.A$2A.A$2A.2A2$2A.2A$.A.A$.A.A$2.A!

Well then why not use this variant, which at least has a known synthesis?

Its third soup seems to imply a relatively trivial seed:

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x = 109, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
29b2o$29b2o7$19b2o$19bobo5bo$20bo5bobo$26bo2bo3b2o$27b2o4bobo$34bo10$
45bo$44bobo$45bo2$38bo38b2o$22bo15bo17b2o18bo2bo$22bo15bo17b2o19b2o$
22bo18bo$40bobo$18b3o3b3o13bobo$41bo$22bo$22bo$22bo$73b2o$30b2o40bo2bo
$29bo2bo39bo2bo$9bo10b3o7b2o41b2o$9bo16b2o78b2o$9bo16b2o78bobo$107b2o
2$75bo$75bo$2o34b3o4b2o30bo12b2o$2o41b2o43b2o$34bo$34bo$34bo5b3o3b3o
47b2o$10b2o52b2o30b2o$10b2o32bo19b2o$44bo19b2o$44bo22bo$34bo5bo26bo$
34bo5bo26bo$34bo5bo2$36b3o!

Here's the reaction:

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x = 34, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$12bo2bo$13b2o8$9b2o$8bo2bo$8bo2bo$9b2o5$11bo$11bo$11bo12b2o$24b
2o3$32b2o$2o30b2o$2o$2o$3bo$3bo$3bo!

Better reaction from different soup:

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x = 31, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$24b2o3$17bo$11bobo2bobo$12b2o2bo2bo$12bo4b2o2$10b2o$10b2o7$11bo$
10bobo$10bobo$11bo4$24b2o$2o22b2o$2o2$18b2o$18b2o2$29b2o$29b2o3$19b3o
2$23bo$23bo$23bo!

[mniemiec]

EDIT: No soups for the aircraft carrier / hat version either. This one has a synthesis listed on Catagolue (even though it's also a pseudo still life) -- but the synthesis is one that would be quite painful to convert into a slow-salvo synthesis.

Of course there are no soups for it. It may have occurred frequently enough, but such occurrences would have been ignored. Apgsearch splits pseudo-objects into their components, and indexes the components, but not the pseudo-object itself. I don't see why it doesn't just list both; it should be easy to do, but until such a change is made, pseudo-objects will only have explicit syntheses listed.

[dvgrn]

Of course there are no soups for it. It may have occurred frequently enough, but such occurrences would have been ignored. Apgsearch splits pseudo-objects into their components, and indexes the components, but not the pseudo-object itself. I don't see why it doesn't just list both; it should be easy to do, but until such a change is made, pseudo-objects will only have explicit syntheses listed.

It would be entertaining to start a new separately censused instance of Catagolue at some point -- maybe run it against 32x32 soups, with that change made to pseudo-object counting. Could have all the excitement of the first Schick engine, loafer, etc., turning up, all over again...

Or maybe sticking with 16x16 soups would be better, just to make it clearer what changes to the statistics are due to the difference in pseudo-object processing.

[Mr. T]

Is that Pi-on-Ship-[3,11]-crawler/fuse known? Yes in all likelihood. Seems not very useful:

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x = 697, y = 205, rule = B3/S23
695b2o$694bobo$694b2o$684b2o$683bobo$683b2o$673b2o$672bobo$672b2o$662b
2o$661bobo$661b2o$651b2o$650bobo$650b2o$640b2o$639bobo$639b2o$629b2o$
628bobo$628b2o$618b2o$617bobo$617b2o$607b2o$606bobo$606b2o$596b2o$595b
obo$595b2o$585b2o$584bobo$584b2o$574b2o$573bobo$573b2o$563b2o$562bobo$
562b2o$552b2o$551bobo$551b2o$541b2o$540bobo$540b2o$530b2o$529bobo$529b
2o$519b2o$518bobo$518b2o$508b2o$507bobo$507b2o$497b2o$496bobo$496b2o$
486b2o$485bobo$485b2o$475b2o$474bobo$474b2o$464b2o$463bobo$463b2o$453b
2o$452bobo$452b2o$442b2o$441bobo$441b2o$431b2o$430bobo$430b2o$420b2o$
419bobo$419b2o$409b2o$408bobo$408b2o$398b2o$397bobo$397b2o$387b2o$386b
obo$386b2o$376b2o$375bobo$375b2o$365b2o$364bobo$364b2o$354b2o$353bobo$
353b2o$343b2o$342bobo$342b2o$332b2o$331bobo$331b2o$321b2o$320bobo$320b
2o$310b2o$309bobo$309b2o$299b2o$298bobo$298b2o$288b2o$287bobo$287b2o$
277b2o$276bobo$276b2o$266b2o$265bobo$265b2o$255b2o$254bobo$254b2o$244b
2o$243bobo$243b2o$233b2o$232bobo$232b2o$222b2o$221bobo$221b2o$211b2o$
210bobo$210b2o$200b2o$199bobo$199b2o$189b2o$188bobo$188b2o$178b2o$177b
obo$177b2o$167b2o$166bobo$166b2o$156b2o$155bobo$155b2o$145b2o$144bobo$
144b2o$134b2o$133bobo$133b2o$123b2o$122bobo$122b2o$112b2o$111bobo$111b
2o$101b2o$100bobo$100b2o$90b2o$89bobo$89b2o$79b2o$78bobo$78b2o$68b2o$
67bobo$67b2o$57b2o$56bobo$56b2o$46b2o$45bobo$45b2o$35b2o$34bobo$34b2o$
24b2o$23bobo$23b2o$13b2o$12bobo$12b2o$2b2o$bobo$b2o11$3o$obo$obo!

My great laziness hinders my on deeper search,

[hotdogPi]

The traffic light might be hard to get into position (some predecessors work, but the T-tetromino doesn't), but is this useful in any way?

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x = 27, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$9bo2$7b5o$6bo4bo$5bo2bo$2bo2bob2o$bobobo5bo$2bo2bo4bobo$5b2o
2bo2bo$10b2o$13b3o$13bobo$13b3o$23b2o$23bobo$25bo$25b2o!

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x = 26, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
8bo$7bobo$8bo2$6b5o$b2o2bo4bo$bo2bo2bo$2bobob2o$b2obo5bo$4bo4bobo$4b2o
2bo2bo$9b2o$12b3o$12bobo$12b3o$22b2o$22bobo$24bo$24b2o3$2o$2o!

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x = 25, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bobo$7bo2$5b5o$2o2bo4bo$o2bo2bo$bobob2o$2obo5bo$3bo4bobo$3b2o2bo
2bo$8b2o$11b3o$11bobo$11b3o$21b2o$21bobo$23bo$23b2o10$11b2o$11b2o!

[C28]

transparent block

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x = 9, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$bo2bo$o2bo$3o12$7b2o$7b2o!

[MathAndCode]

Another example that comes to mind is there are a lot of cases where it would be useful to collect soups for various pseudo-still lifes -- block on eater, beehive on loaf, or whatever. Currently it's hard to dig up soups that might help synthesize these pseudo combinations more efficiently. But adjusting the census code to track these separately would probably be a highly non-trivial design effort.

Apgsearch splits pseudo-objects into their components, and indexes the components, but not the pseudo-object itself. I don't see why it doesn't just list both; it should be easy to do, but until such a change is made, pseudo-objects will only have explicit syntheses listed.

It would be entertaining to start a new separately censused instance of Catagolue at some point -- maybe run it against 32x32 soups, with that change made to pseudo-object counting. Could have all the excitement of the first Schick engine, loafer, etc., turning up, all over again...

Or maybe sticking with 16x16 soups would be better, just to make it clearer what changes to the statistics are due to the difference in pseudo-object processing.

There is a symmetry for that on Catagolue. That might be useful (at least if it gets more soups).

[Entity Valkyrie 2]

The traffic light might be hard to get into position (some predecessors work, but the T-tetromino doesn't), but is this useful in any way?

Code: Select all

x = 27, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$9bo2$7b5o$6bo4bo$5bo2bo$2bo2bob2o$bobobo5bo$2bo2bo4bobo$5b2o
2bo2bo$10b2o$13b3o$13bobo$13b3o$23b2o$23bobo$25bo$25b2o!

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x = 26, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
8bo$7bobo$8bo2$6b5o$b2o2bo4bo$bo2bo2bo$2bobob2o$b2obo5bo$4bo4bobo$4b2o
2bo2bo$9b2o$12b3o$12bobo$12b3o$22b2o$22bobo$24bo$24b2o3$2o$2o!

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x = 25, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bobo$7bo2$5b5o$2o2bo4bo$o2bo2bo$bobob2o$2obo5bo$3bo4bobo$3b2o2bo
2bo$8b2o$11b3o$11bobo$11b3o$21b2o$21bobo$23bo$23b2o10$11b2o$11b2o!

It's in bronco.

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x = 41, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
22bo$21bobo$22bo2$20b5o$19bo4bo$18bo2bo18bo$15bo2bob2o16b3o$14bobobo5b
o12bo$15bo2bo4bobo11b2o$18b2o2bo2bo$23b2o2$12bo$12b3o$o14bo$b2o11b2o$
2o8$3b2o$3b2o3$33b2o$33b2o2$6b2o$7bo29b2o$4b3o30bo$4bo6b2o22bobo$10bob
o22b2o$10bo$9b2o8b2o$19b2o$35b2o$35bobo$37bo$37b2o2$27b2o$27b2o!
#C [[ STOP 167 ]]

[pzq_alex]

Almost pi-to-g.

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x = 9, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$3o4b2o$obo$obo!