Thread for your unsure discoveries

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Scorbie » September 29th, 2015, 8:40 pm

A G5/6/7 Eater which really is a dimerized form of my favorite eater...

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x = 37, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
6bo$7bo$bo3b3o$2bo$3o7$16bo$17bo$10bobo2b3o$11b2o$11bo6$26bo$20bobo4bo
$21b2o2b3o$21bo13b2o$30b2obo2bo$29bobob3o$29bobo$27b3ob5o$26bo3bo4bo$
26b4o2bo$29bob2o$26b2obo$27bobo$25bobob2o$25b2o!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Scorbie » October 2nd, 2015, 10:49 am

I can't find a relevant topic for these small-period discoveries, and they aren't worth their own topic, so I'm posting it here.
Some low-period oscs:

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#C 1: a known p3 wick (left) and its variations (right)
#C 2: Seemingly new p4 (left) and and its agar form (right)
#C 3: A known p3 (left) which can be made into a wick (right)
#C 4: A small billiard table found in randomagar, which is probably known.
#C 5: A p6 also found in randomagar.
x = 301, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
280bobobo2$113bobobo64bobobo58bo3bo30bo$6bo$65bo51bo68bo58bo3bo30bobob
o$6bo56b3o$62bo50bobobo64bobobo58bobobo34bo$6bo53bo2bo$63bo49bo72bo62b
o30bobobo$6bo51b2ob2o137bo$113bobobo64bobobo13bo48bo$6bo50b2o140b2o$
56bo$54bobo143bo$54bo144b3o$52bo142bo2b2o2bo$51bo2bo138b3ob2o3b2ob2o$
54bo83b2o11b2o45bo2b2o2b2o$49b2ob2o59b2o23bo13bo46b3o5b2o$113bo26bo9bo
49bo6b2o$16bo31b2o65bo20b5o9b5o100b2o29b2o5b2o$14b3o30bo63b5o20bo17bo
45b2o6bo45bo2bo25bo2bo7bo2bo$13bo31bobo63bo27b2o9b2o35bo12b2o5b3o44bob
2o24bobobo7bobobo$11bo2bo30bo68b2o17b2o4bobo7bobo4b2o29bo14b2o2b2o2bo
40b2obo26bo2bob2o5b2obo2bo$14bo28bo64b2o4bobo16bo7bo7bo7bo28b2o14b2ob
2o3b2ob2o37bob4o24b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$9b2ob2o28bo2bo62bo7bo13b2obo5b2ob2o
3b2ob2o5bob2o45bo2b2o2b2o34bo2bobo2bo28bob2ob2obo$45bo59b2obo5b2ob2o
11bo2bob2obo2bo2bobo2bo2bob2obo2bo26bo19b3o5b2o32b3ob2obo23b4obo9bob4o
$8b2o30b2ob2o60bo2bob2obo2bo2bob2o9b2obo2bo2bob2ob2obo2bo2bob2o27b3o
19bo6b2o35bo2bo24bo2b2o11b2o2bo$7bo99b2obo2bo2bob2obo2bo11b2ob2o9b2ob
2o27bo2b2o2bo57b6o31b2o9b2o$5bobo31b2o70b2ob2o5bob2o13bo13bo27b3ob2o3b
2ob3o13b2o6bo29bo3bo2bo31bo9bo$5bo32bo74bo7bo16bobo9bobo32bo2b2o2bo15b
2o5b3o28bobobobo$3bo32bobo74bobo4b2o17b2o9b2o34b3o21b2o2b2o2bo28b2ob2o
33bo9bo$5bo28bobo77b2o71bo22b2ob2o3b2ob2o61b2o9b2o$2bo2bo28bo83bo20b2o
9b2o62bo2b2o2b2o57bo2b2o11b2o2bo$bob2o27b2o80b5o19bobo9bobo34b2o26b3o
5b2o55b4obo9bob4o$bo112bo23bo13bo34bo28bo6b2o61bob2ob2obo$2o29b2o83bo
19b2ob2o9b2ob2o32bo94b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o$115b2o15b2obo2bo2bob2ob2obo2bo2bo
b2o57b2o6bo56bo2bob2o5b2obo2bo$30b2o98bo2bob2obo2bo2bobo2bo2bob2obo2bo
55b2o5b3o56bobobo7bobobo$29bo100b2obo5b2ob2o3b2ob2o5bob2o57b2o2b2o2bo
56bo2bo7bo2bo$27bobo103bo7bo7bo7bo60b2ob2o3b2ob3o54b2o5b2o$25bobo105b
2o4bobo7bobo4b2o64bo2b2o2bo$25bo113b2o9b2o71b3o$23b2o111bo17bo69bo$
136b5o9b5o$22b2o116bo9bo73b2o$138bo13bo71bo$21b2o115b2o11b2o71bo$20bo$
18bobo$18bo$16bo$18bo$15bo2bo$14bob2o$14bo$13b2o!
Here are two extra p4s:

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x = 32, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
11bo$7b2obobo$7b2obobo$10bo2b2o14bo$5b5o5bo9b2obobo$4bo7b3o6b2obobobo
2bo$4bo3bo2bo9b2obobob3o$b2obo2bobobob2o9bobo$b2obobobo2bob2o6b3ob6o$
4bo2bo3bo8bo3bobo3bo$b3o7bo8b6ob3o$o5b5o13bobo$b2o2bo14b3obobob2o$3bob
ob2o10bo2bobobob2o$3bobob2o11bobob2o$4bo16bo!
EDIT: here's a list of 1) new wicks and 2) almost oscillators. p4-13, p5-7, p5-9, p6-6 (using known wicks), p6-10, p6-20, p6-28, p6-41, p6-42 looks really likely to stabilize, so I recommend you to pick up these low-hanging fruit.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Xenonquark » October 3rd, 2015, 3:59 pm

I'm not sure if any of these oscillators have been discovered yet. They've probably been seen before.

Here they are:

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x = 263, y = 222, rule = B3/S23
10$151bo$150bobo5bobob2ob2o2b2o$150bo2bo3b2obob2obobo2bo75b2o4b2o$12b
2obo52b2obo12b2o14b2ob2o44b2o3bo2bo8b4o24bo15b2o31bo2bobo2bobo2bo$12bo
b2o52bob2o10b3obob2o9b3obobob2o24b2o3b2o7bo3b3obo2b2ob2o2bo11bob2o11b
3o3b2obob2ob2o2bo31bobobobo2bobobobo$16b2o54b2o9bo2bobo2bobo4bo2b3obob
o25b2o3b2o7b2obo4bo3bobo4b4o7b2obo10bo5bobob2obobobobo17bob2o11b2obo2b
2o2bob2o$16bo18b2o7b2o26bo8b2o3bo2bo3bob2o2b2o4b2o2bo35b2o2b2o2b2o4bob
ob3o3bo5b2o14b2o4bobo4bobobo2b2o15b2obo13bo8bo$17bo12b2o3bobo2bo2bobo
3b2o22bo7bo5bo6b3o2bobobo2bob2o23b2o3b2o4bo2bo2bo3b2o2b2obo4bo9bo18b3o
b6ob2obobo14b2o13b4o3b4o3b4o$16b2o13bo5b7o5bo22b2o5bo2bo8b3o7b2ob4o25b
obobobo5b2o2b2o2b2o4bobob3o3bo5bo13b4o5bo5bo4bo2bo12bobo13bo5bo4bo5bo$
12b2obo12bo2bob4o7b4obo2bo15b2obo7b4o5b4o2bo5bo7b2o25bobo9b2obo4bo3bob
o4b4o5b2o11bo2bo4b2obo2bob3o3bob3o10bo16b2o2bob4obo2b2o$12bob2o12b3o2b
o4bobobo4bo2b3o15bob2o21bobo3bob7o2bo23b2obo9bo3b3obo2b2ob2o2bo11bob2o
6bobo3b2o4b2o3bo3bobo4bo8b2o18bobobo2bobobo$10b2o24b2ob3ob2o27b2o5b4o
5b4o2bo5bo7b2o28b2o9b2o3bo2bo8b4o7b2obo7bo2bo4b2obo2bob3o3bob3o11b2obo
14bobobo2bobobo$10bo19b2o5bo5bo5b2o21bo6bo2bo8b3o7b2ob4o31bo10bo2bo3b
2obob2obobo2bo10b2o6b4o5bo5bo4bo2bo13bob2o12b2o2bob4obo2b2o$11bo18bo6b
ob3obo6bo22bo7bo5bo6b3o2bobobo2bob2o28bo11bobo5bobob2ob2o2b2o11bo12b3o
b6ob2obobo12b2o4b2o9bo5bo4bo5bo$10b2o15b2obo7bo3bo7bob2o18b2o7b2o3bo2b
o3bob2o2b2o4b2o2bo28b2o11bo29bo9b2o4bobo4bobobo2b2o11bo5bo10b4o3b4o3b
4o$12b2obo11bo2bobo6bobo6bobo2bo14b2obo11bo2bobo2bobo4bo2b3obobo31bo
41b2o8bo5bobob2obobobobo14bo5bo13bo8bo$12bob2o12b2o2b3o3b2ob2o3b3o2b2o
15bob2o10b3obob2o9b3obobob2o29bo38bob2o11b3o3b2obob2ob2o2bo13b2o4b2o
11b2obo2b2o2bob2o$29bobo3bobo5bobo3bobo32b2o14b2ob2o33b2o37b2obo13bo
15b2o14b2obo12bobobobo2bobobobo$29bo2bobob2o5b2obobo2bo174bob2o13bo2bo
bo2bobo2bo$28b2ob2obo11bob2ob2o98bo7b2ob2o82b2o4b2o$29bo2bobob2o5b2obo
bo2bo98bobo5bobobo$29bobo3bobo5bobo3bobo98bo2bo4bobo2bo$28b2o2b3o3b2ob
2o3b3o2b2o96b2o3bo2b2o2bobo$27bo2bobo6bobo6bobo2bo30b3o3b2o55bo3b3obo
3b2obob2o35b2ob2o$27b2obo7bo3bo7bob2o31b2o4bo55b2obo4b2obo3bo3bo34bo3b
o$30bo6bob3obo6bo32bob2ob2obob2o50b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3b2ob2o31b2obo3bob2o$
30b2o5bo5bo5b2o30bo4bo3bobo3bo47bo2bo2bo3b2o2bo3b2o33bobob2ob2obobo$
36b2ob3ob2o36b2obobob3obobo2bo47b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3b2ob2o29bo2bo2bobo2bo
2bo$28b3o2bo4bobobo4bo2b3o26b2o2b2obo2bo2bo3b2o49b2obo4b2obo3bo3bo28bo
3b2o2bo2b2o3bo$28bo2bob4o7b4obo2bo25bo2b2ob3ob2o57bo3b3obo3b2obob2o29b
4o4bo4b4o$31bo5b7o5bo29b2o2b2obo2bo2bo3b2o51b2o3bo2b2o2bobo34bob7obo$
30b2o3bobo2bo2bobo3b2o30b2obobob3obobo2bo52bo2bo4bobo2bo29b4o3bo5bo3b
4o$35b2o7b2o35bo4bo3bobo3bo53bobo5bobobo30bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2o2bo$83bob
2ob2obob2o56bo7b2ob2o34b3obobob3o$85b2o4bo101bo2b2o2bo2bo2bo2b2o2bo$
84b3o3b2o101b4o3bo5bo3b4o$35b2o7b2o152bob7obo$30b2o3bobo2bo2bobo3b2o
144b4o4bo4b4o$31bo5b7o5bo101b2ob2o3b2o34bo3b2o2bo2b2o3bo$28bo2bob4o7b
4obo2bo97bobobo5bo35bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo$28b3o2bo4bobobo4bo2b3o97bobo2bo2b
o38bobob2ob2obobo$36b2ob3ob2o104b2o2bobo2b2o2b2o34b2obo3bob2o$30b2o5bo
5bo5b2o35bo3bo56bo3b2obob2o3bobo37bo3bo$30bo6bob3obo6bo34bobobobo55b2o
bo3bo3b4o39b2ob2o$27b2obo7bo3bo7bob2o91b2o2b2o3b2ob2o3bo$27bo2bobo6b3o
6bobo2bo30bo2bobo2bo51bo2bo2bo3b2o3bobobo$28b2o2b3o11b3o2b2o31b2obobob
2o52b2o2b2o3b2ob2o3bo$29bobo3bo3b3o3bo3bobo30b2obobobobob2o52b2obo3bo
3b4o$29bo2bobobobobobobobobo2bo28bo2b2obo3bob2o2bo50bo3b2obob2o3bobo$
28b2ob2obobob2ob2obobob2ob2o26bo5bo5bo5bo51b2o2bobo2b2o2b2o$29bo2bobob
obobobobobobo2bo28bob3o7b3obo53bobo2bo2bo$29bobo3bo3b3o3bo3bobo98bobob
o5bo$28b2o2b3o11b3o2b2o27bob3o7b3obo54b2ob2o3b2o$27bo2bobo6b3o6bobo2bo
25bo5bo5bo5bo$27b2obo7bo3bo7bob2o26bo2b2obo3bob2o2bo$30bo6bob3obo6bo
31b2obobobobob2o$30b2o5bo5bo5b2o33b2obobob2o$36b2ob3ob2o39bo2bobo2bo$
28b3o2bo4bobobo4bo2b3o$28bo2bob4o7b4obo2bo32bobobobo$31bo5b7o5bo36bo3b
o$30b2o3bobo2bo2bobo3b2o$35b2o7b2o6$86b2ob2o$86bo3bo$83b2obo3bob2o$84b
ob2ob2obo$36bo3bo3bo36bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo$35bobobobobobo35b3ob3ob3ob3o$
34bo2bobobobo2bo37bo2bobo2bo$33bo4b2ob2o4bo31b4obo2bobo2bob4o$32bo3b2o
2bo2b2o3bo30bo2b5o3b5o2bo$33b2obobobobobob2o$35bob2obob2obo33bo2b5o3b
5o2bo$33b3o4bo4b3o31b4obo2bobo2bob4o$32bo3b4ob4o3bo35bo2bobo2bo$33b3o
4bo4b3o33b3ob3ob3ob3o$35bob2obob2obo35bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo$33b2obobobobobo
b2o36bob2ob2obo$32bo3b2o2bo2b2o3bo34b2obo3bob2o$33bo4b2ob2o4bo38bo3bo$
34bo2bobobobo2bo39b2ob2o$35bobobobobobo$36bo3bo3bo7$32bo12bo5bo35bobo$
28bo3b2o9b2o2bo2b2o33b3ob3o$26bobo3b2o3b3o2b3o2bo2b2o2bo27bobo7bobo$
30b2o2bob3o2bo2bo2bobo2b3o27b2obo5bob2o$25b5o4bobo4bo3b2o2bo30b2o3bo5b
o3b2o$31b3o3b3o9b4o25b3o2b2o7b2o2b3o$24b7o22bo23bo4b2o9b2o4bo$31b3o3b
3o9b4o23bob4o3bo5bo3b4obo$25b5o4bobo4bo3b2o2bo26bobo4b2obo3bob2o4bobo$
30b2o2bob3o2bo2bo2bobo2b3o20b2obo2b2obo2bobo2bob2o2bob2o$26bobo3b2o3b
3o2b3o2bo2b2o2bo20bo2bobo3bob2ob2obo3bobo2bo$28bo3b2o9b2o2bo2b2o21b2o
2bo2bobobo7bobobo2bo2b2o$32bo12bo5bo22bob2obo3bob7obo3bob2obo$73bo2bo
2b4o2bo2bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$72bob2o2bo4b2o7b2o4bo2b2obo$72bo6bobobo9bobobo
6bo$71b2o7b2obo9bob2o7b2o$41b2o40b2o7b2o$42bo28b2o7b2obo9bob2o7b2o$39b
obo30bo6bobobo9bobobo6bo$72bob2o2bo4b2o7b2o4bo2b2obo$37b2o2bo31bo2bo2b
4o2bo2bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo$42bo31bob2obo3bob7obo3bob2obo$36bo2bob2o30b2o2bo
2bobobo7bobobo2bo2b2o$37bo37bo2bobo3bob2ob2obo3bobo2bo$36bo2bob2o32b2o
bo2b2obo2bobo2bob2o2bob2o$42bo33bobo4b2obo3bob2o4bobo$37b2o2bo34bob4o
3bo5bo3b4obo$77bo4b2o9b2o4bo$39bobo36b3o2b2o7b2o2b3o$42bo37b2o3bo5bo3b
2o$41b2o39b2obo5bob2o$82bobo7bobo$85b3ob3o$87bobo3$40bobo$38b3ob3o$35b
obo7bobo$35b2obo5bob2o$33b2o3bo5bo3b2o32b2o9b2o$31b3o2b2o7b2o2b3o30bo
2bo5bo2bo$30bo4b2o9b2o4bo30bo2bo3bo2bo$29bob4o3bo5bo3b4obo33bobo$29bob
o4b2obo3bob2o4bobo24b2o3b3obobob3o3b2o$28b2obo2b2o2bobobobo2b2o2bob2o
23bobob3o3bo3b3obobo$28bo2bobo2bobobobobobo2bobo2bo27b2ob2obob2ob2o$
26b2o2bo2bobo2bobobobo2bobo2bo2b2o22bo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bo$27bob2obobo4b
2ob2o4bobob2obo24bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo$26bo2bo2bo4b2o2bo2b2o4bo2bo2bo24b2o
2b2o3b2o2b2o$25bob2o2bob3obobobobobob3obo2b2obo25b2o7b2o$25bo6bo3bob2o
bob2obo3bo6bo23b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o$24b2o7b4o4bo4b4o7b2o21bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo$
37b4ob4o33bo2bobo2bobo2bobo2bo$24b2o7b4o4bo4b4o7b2o23b2ob2obob2ob2o$
25bo6bo3bob2obob2obo3bo6bo20bobob3o3bo3b3obobo$25bob2o2bob3obobobobobo
b3obo2b2obo20b2o3b3obobob3o3b2o$26bo2bo2bo4b2o2bo2b2o4bo2bo2bo30bobo$
27bob2obobo4b2ob2o4bobob2obo27bo2bo3bo2bo$26b2o2bo2bobo2bobobobo2bobo
2bo2b2o25bo2bo5bo2bo$28bo2bobo2bobobobobobo2bobo2bo27b2o9b2o$28b2obo2b
2o2bobobobo2b2o2bob2o$29bobo4b2obo3bob2o4bobo$29bob4o3bo5bo3b4obo$30bo
4b2o9b2o4bo$31b3o2b2o7b2o2b3o$33b2o3bo5bo3b2o$35b2obo5bob2o$35bobo7bob
o$38b3ob3o$40bobo9$39b2ob2o$36bobobobobobo$34b3obo2bo2bob3o$33bo4bo5bo
4bo$31b3ob2ob7ob2ob3o$30bo3bo2bo3bo3bo2bo3bo$29bob2o2bobob2ob2obobo2b
2obo$29bobob2o2bob2ob2obo2b2obobo$28b2o2bo2b2o9b2o2bo2b2o$27bo2bobobo
2b9o2bobobo2bo$27bobobobo2bo2bo3bo2bo2bobobobo$26b2obo3bob2o4bo4b2obo
3bob2o$30b3obo2b4ob4o2bob3o$26b4o4bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo4b4o$25bo3bob2ob2obo
3bo3bob2ob2obo3bo$25b2o2bob2obo2b2o5b2o2bob2obo2b2o$27bob2o3bobo2bo3bo
2bobo3b2obo$25b2o2bob2obo2b2o5b2o2bob2obo2b2o$25bo3bob2ob2obo3bo3bob2o
b2obo3bo$26b4o4bo2bo2bobo2bo2bo4b4o$30b3obo2b4ob4o2bob3o$26b2obo3bob2o
4bo4b2obo3bob2o$27bobobobo2bo2bo3bo2bo2bobobobo$27bo2bobobo2b9o2bobobo
2bo$28b2o2bo2b2o9b2o2bo2b2o$29bobob2o2bob2ob2obo2b2obobo$29bob2o2bobob
2ob2obobo2b2obo$30bo3bo2bo3bo3bo2bo3bo$31b3ob2ob7ob2ob3o$33bo4bo5bo4bo
$34b3obo2bo2bob3o$36bobobobobobo$39b2ob2o!
EDIT:

Found these using a search program that gives you low-period oscillators. P2 oscillators and still lives come quickly, P3 is a bit slow, and P4 and above can take an eternity. ESPECIALLY with the higher periods.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Bullet51 » October 3rd, 2015, 7:06 pm

P88 agar:

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x = 593, y = 265, rule = B3/S23
2b3o$bo3bo$o5bo5b3o$o5bo4bo3bo$o5bo3bo5bo$bo3bo4bo5bo$2b3o5bo5bo$11bo
3bo$12b3o5b3o$19bo3bo$18bo5bo5b3o$18bo5bo4bo3bo$18bo5bo3bo5bo$19bo3bo
4bo5bo$20b3o5bo5bo$29bo3bo$30b3o5b3o$37bo3bo$36bo5bo5b3o$36bo5bo4bo3bo
$36bo5bo3bo5bo$37bo3bo4bo5bo$38b3o5bo5bo$47bo3bo$48b3o5b3o$55bo3bo$54b
o5bo5b3o$54bo5bo4bo3bo$54bo5bo3bo5bo$55bo3bo4bo5bo$56b3o5bo5bo$65bo3bo
$66b3o5b3o$73bo3bo$72bo5bo5b3o$72bo5bo4bo3bo$72bo5bo3bo5bo$73bo3bo4bo
5bo$74b3o5bo5bo$83bo3bo$84b3o5b3o$91bo3bo$90bo5bo5b3o$90bo5bo4bo3bo$
90bo5bo3bo5bo$91bo3bo4bo5bo$92b3o5bo5bo$101bo3bo$102b3o5b3o$109bo3bo$
108bo5bo5b3o$108bo5bo4bo3bo$108bo5bo3bo5bo$109bo3bo4bo5bo$110b3o5bo5bo
$119bo3bo$120b3o5b3o$127bo3bo$126bo5bo5b3o$126bo5bo4bo3bo$126bo5bo3bo
5bo$127bo3bo4bo5bo$128b3o5bo5bo$137bo3bo$138b3o5b3o$145bo3bo$144bo5bo
5b3o$144bo5bo4bo3bo$144bo5bo3bo5bo$145bo3bo4bo5bo$146b3o5bo5bo$155bo3b
o$156b3o5b3o$163bo3bo$162bo5bo5b3o$162bo5bo4bo3bo$162bo5bo3bo5bo$163bo
3bo4bo5bo$164b3o5bo5bo$173bo3bo$174b3o5b3o$181bo3bo$180bo5bo5b3o$180bo
5bo4bo3bo$180bo5bo3bo5bo$181bo3bo4bo5bo$182b3o5bo5bo$191bo3bo$192b3o5b
3o$199bo3bo$198bo5bo5b3o$198bo5bo4bo3bo$198bo5bo3bo5bo$199bo3bo4bo5bo$
200b3o5bo5bo$209bo3bo$210b3o5b3o$217bo3bo$216bo5bo5b3o$216bo5bo4bo3bo$
216bo5bo3bo5bo$217bo3bo4bo5bo$218b3o5bo5bo$227bo3bo$228b3o5b3o$235bo3b
o$234bo5bo5b3o$234bo5bo4bo3bo$234bo5bo3bo5bo$235bo3bo4bo5bo$236b3o5bo
5bo$245bo3bo$246b3o5b3o$253bo3bo$252bo5bo5b3o$252bo5bo4bo3bo$252bo5bo
3bo5bo$253bo3bo4bo5bo$254b3o5bo5bo$263bo3bo$264b3o5b3o$271bo3bo$270bo
5bo5b3o$270bo5bo4bo3bo$270bo5bo3bo5bo$271bo3bo4bo5bo$272b3o5bo5bo$281b
o3bo$282b3o5b3o$289bo3bo$288bo5bo5b3o$288bo5bo4bo3bo$288bo5bo3bo5bo$
289bo3bo4bo5bo$290b3o5bo5bo$299bo3bo$300b3o5b3o$307bo3bo$306bo5bo5b3o$
306bo5bo4bo3bo$306bo5bo3bo5bo$307bo3bo4bo5bo$308b3o5bo5bo$317bo3bo$
318b3o5b3o$325bo3bo$324bo5bo5b3o$324bo5bo4bo3bo$324bo5bo3bo5bo$325bo3b
o4bo5bo$326b3o5bo5bo$335bo3bo$336b3o5b3o$343bo3bo$342bo5bo5b3o$342bo5b
o4bo3bo$342bo5bo3bo5bo$343bo3bo4bo5bo$344b3o5bo5bo$353bo3bo$354b3o5b3o
$361bo3bo$360bo5bo5b3o$360bo5bo4bo3bo$360bo5bo3bo5bo$361bo3bo4bo5bo$
362b3o5bo5bo$371bo3bo$372b3o5b3o$379bo3bo$378bo5bo5b3o$378bo5bo4bo3bo$
378bo5bo3bo5bo$379bo3bo4bo5bo$380b3o5bo5bo$389bo3bo$390b3o5b3o$397bo3b
o$396bo5bo5b3o$396bo5bo4bo3bo$396bo5bo3bo5bo$397bo3bo4bo5bo$398b3o5bo
5bo$407bo3bo$408b3o5b3o$415bo3bo$414bo5bo5b3o$414bo5bo4bo3bo$414bo5bo
3bo5bo$415bo3bo4bo5bo$416b3o5bo5bo$425bo3bo$426b3o5b3o$433bo3bo$432bo
5bo5b3o$432bo5bo4bo3bo$432bo5bo3bo5bo$433bo3bo4bo5bo$434b3o5bo5bo$443b
o3bo$444b3o5b3o$451bo3bo$450bo5bo5b3o$450bo5bo4bo3bo$450bo5bo3bo5bo$
451bo3bo4bo5bo$452b3o5bo5bo$461bo3bo$462b3o5b3o$469bo3bo$468bo5bo5b3o$
468bo5bo4bo3bo$468bo5bo3bo5bo$469bo3bo4bo5bo$470b3o5bo5bo$479bo3bo$
480b3o5b3o$487bo3bo$486bo5bo5b3o$486bo5bo4bo3bo$486bo5bo3bo5bo$487bo3b
o4bo5bo$488b3o5bo5bo$497bo3bo$498b3o5b3o$505bo3bo$504bo5bo5b3o$504bo5b
o4bo3bo$504bo5bo3bo5bo$505bo3bo4bo5bo$506b3o5bo5bo$515bo3bo$516b3o5b3o
$523bo3bo$522bo5bo5b3o$522bo5bo4bo3bo$522bo5bo3bo5bo$523bo3bo4bo5bo$
524b3o5bo5bo$533bo3bo$534b3o5b3o$541bo3bo$540bo5bo5b3o$540bo5bo4bo3bo$
540bo5bo3bo5bo$541bo3bo4bo5bo$542b3o5bo5bo$551bo3bo$552b3o5b3o$559bo3b
o$558bo5bo5b3o$558bo5bo4bo3bo$558bo5bo3bo5bo$559bo3bo4bo5bo$560b3o5bo
5bo$569bo3bo$570b3o5b3o$577bo3bo$576bo5bo5b3o$576bo5bo4bo3bo$576bo5bo
3bo5bo$577bo3bo4bo5bo$578b3o5bo5bo$587bo3bo$588b3o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Scorbie » October 4th, 2015, 4:47 am

Xenonquark wrote:I'm not sure if any of these oscillators have been discovered yet. They've probably been seen before.
Sorry to tell you that p2 and p3s are really really diverse so most of them don't get attention unless it has an interesting property. (like catalysis...) And I think most of the componenets of p2 are pretty much known. But over oscillators over p7 get attention, I think.
Xenonquark wrote:Found these using a search program that gives you low-period oscillators. P2 oscillators and still lives come quickly, P3 is a bit slow, and P4 and above can take an eternity. ESPECIALLY with the higher periods.
Did you use your own search program??? I'm very interested on how it works. Well it usually takes a lot of time to find something unique in Life. Finding new oscillators (with a special property) usually takes hours or days.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Xenonquark » October 4th, 2015, 9:17 am

Scorbie wrote:
Xenonquark wrote:Found these using a search program that gives you low-period oscillators. P2 oscillators and still lives come quickly, P3 is a bit slow, and P4 and above can take an eternity. ESPECIALLY with the higher periods.
Did you use your own search program??? I'm very interested on how it works. Well it usually takes a lot of time to find something unique in Life. Finding new oscillators (with a special property) usually takes hours or days.
Sadly I didn't make the search program. Found it on this post:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=990&p=7218&hilit=java#p7218
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Scorbie » October 4th, 2015, 9:56 am

Xenonquark wrote:Sadly I didn't make the search program. Found it on this post:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=990&p=7218#p7218
Ahh, JavaLifeSearch. Great utility with nice user interface and a lot of options. There's also WLS which is faster but has a slightly clunkier user interface compared to JLS, in my opinion. A lot of searches have been done with those kind of utilities, so I won't be looking forward to find something new with general searches. There are still some specific searches which, I think, is in the range (more like the boundaries) of current searching utilities. The most I'm looking forward to is a p7 domino sparker. (I've seen quite some situations needing that, but I forgot except for Jason Summers' p28 wick)

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by velcrorex » October 4th, 2015, 1:09 pm

Is this p8 new and/or useful?
What properties make for a good sparker?

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x = 14, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
8bo$7bobo$3bo3bo2bo$b3o2b2ob2o$o7bo2b2o$bob4o2bobo$2bo3b2ob2o2bo$3b4o
3bob2o$2bo3bo2bobo$2bo3bo2bobo$3b4o3bob2o$2bo3b2ob2o2bo$bob4o2bobo$o7b
o2b2o$b3o2b2ob2o$3bo3bo2bo$7bobo$8bo!
EDIT:
p9, same questions:

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x = 17, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
5bobobobo$4bob2ob2obo$2b3o7b3o$bo4b2ob2o4bo$bob3obobob3obo2$4b2o5b2o$o
3b2o5b2o3bo$o3b2o5b2o3bo$4b2o5b2o2$bob3obobob3obo$bo4b2ob2o4bo$2b3o7b
3o$4bob2ob2obo$5bobobobo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Sokwe » October 4th, 2015, 7:21 pm

velcrorex wrote:Is this p8 new and/or useful? p9, same questions.
The p8 was already known, but the p9 is new, although I doubt it would be any more useful than the following p9 domino sparker:

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x = 10, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
6bo$5bobo$5bobo$4b2o2b2o$2bo3bobo$2bob3o2bo$7bobo$3bob2obo$o2bo2bo$o2b
o2bo$3bob2obo$7bobo$2bob3o2bo$2bo3bobo$4b2o2b2o$5bobo$5bobo$6bo!
velcrorex wrote:What properties make for a good sparker?
There are the obvious properties: isolated sparks, good clearance around the edges, and a small bounding box. Of course, the true mark of a sparker's usefulness is its ability to do something no other known sparker can do. At periods 8 and above, sparkers are difficult to find, so we sort of have to take what we can get.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » October 4th, 2015, 8:28 pm

Sokwe wrote:
velcrorex wrote:What properties make for a good sparker?
There are the obvious properties: isolated sparks, good clearance around the edges, and a small bounding box. Of course, the true mark of a sparker's usefulness is its ability to do something no other known sparker can do. At periods 8 and above, sparkers are difficult to find, so we sort of have to take what we can get.
If you're successfully running searches for p9 objects, then you're maybe getting almost within reach of an interesting search frontier.

At p11 and above, I think it might be technically theoretically possible to reflect a glider directly with an unsupported oscillator that makes a diagonal spark:

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x = 6, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
3.A$3.A.A$3.2A$BC$2BC$3B!
Once upon a time I would have said that a big potential use for a pN domino sparker would be to assist in a color-changing glider reflection:

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x = 21, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
3B14.4B$4B12.4B$.4B10.4B$2.4B8.4B$3.4B6.4B$4.4B4.4B$5.3BA2.4B$6.3BA4B
$7.3A3B$6.7B$6.7B$5.2A7B$5.2A.B2A2B$8.BABA.B$9.BAB.2A$7.4B2.3B$7.2A2.
A3BA$8.A2.A4BA$5.3A4.BABA.A$5.A8.A.ABAB$15.A4BA$16.A3BA$16.3B$17.2A!
These days that's only true up to a point. We still don't have a color-changing Snark-sized reflector, but we can build one that isn't too horribly big, out of a syringe plus the right H-to-G. So domino sparkers are only useful for that up to a certain size (and known p9s are very far from having enough clearance.)

There are other small sparks like

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$A.A$.2A$4.2C$6.C!
that can turn a glider, but it looks like they would probably need a higher period than p11 to repeat cleanly.

Now, if period N+1 is generally maybe an order of magnitude more CPU-intensive to search than period N, then we probably aren't really very close to period-11 searches yet. So searching for oscillators with most unassisted glider-turning sparks still needs some new clever tricks, before it will become practical... and it's a very very long way to period 14, where we could search for a direct period-14 glider gun.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by mniemiec » October 5th, 2015, 2:06 am

dvgrn wrote:At p11 and above, I think it might be technically theoretically possible to reflect a glider directly with an unsupported oscillator that makes a diagonal spark: ...
A p10 thumb spark should be able to do this.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Bullet51 » October 6th, 2015, 9:24 am

I believe it was found, but I didn't found it in jslife and the wiki:

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x = 25, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
22bo$20b2ob2o$19b3o$16b2o3bo$16bo3bo2$12bo3b3o$11bobo$10bo2bo$12b2o$9b
o2bo4bo$10b3o2bobo$15b3o$10bob4o$9bo$10bo$7bo2bobo$7b2o$3b2o4bo$2b3obo
bo$2bo$4b2o$4b2o2$b3o$3bo$o3bo$o4bo$o$5o4$2b2o$bobo2$2bo$2b3o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by HartmutHolzwart » October 6th, 2015, 2:49 pm

I believe this is a new c/5. We're still short in them, especially in unsymmetric ones.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Sphenocorona » October 6th, 2015, 7:40 pm

The back pre-block & pre-hive configuration is not critical to the rest if the ship - it is a tagalong. The back end is about as sparky on back and sides as a spider. Maybe it could be used in a more compact trailing edge for c/5 greyships?

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Scorbie » October 6th, 2015, 9:13 pm

I think bullet51 is refferring to the p10 tagalong, rather than the whole ship. I think I have seen the p5 components at the front in jslife and other places, but have never seen the p10 part. So I guess it is a new discovery!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Bullet51 » October 7th, 2015, 12:54 am

Scorbie wrote:I think bullet51 is refferring to the p10 tagalong.
Exactly!
HartmutHolzwart wrote:I believe this is a new c/5.
It's already known, since it is found in jslife.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Xenonquark » October 7th, 2015, 5:40 pm

I have decided to find some still lives using JLS, and found... this..:

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x = 35, y = 15
14booboboo$11bobbob3obobbo$5bobbobobobo5bobobobobbo$5b4obobobb5obbobob4o$3boo5bo
b3o5b3obo5boo$4boboobo5b5o5boboobo$4boboob5o7b5oboobo$3boo9b7o9boo$4boboob5o7b5o
boobo$4boboobo5b5o5boboobo$3boo5bob3o5b3obo5boo$5b4obobobb5obbobob4o$5bobbobobob
o5bobobobobbo$11bobbob3obobbo$14booboboo!
Not sure if it's new or not.

EDIT:

Intresting reaction, I guess:

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x = 29, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o6$11b2obob2o$8bo2bob3obo2bo$2bo2bobobobo5bobobobo2bo$2b4obobo
2b5o2bobob4o$2o5bob3o5b3obo5b2o$bob2obo5b5o5bob2obo$bob2ob5o7b5ob2obo$
2o9b7o9b2o$bob2ob5o7b5ob2obo$bob2obo5b5o5bob2obo$2o5bob3o5b3obo5b2o$2b
4obobo2b5o2bobob4o$2bo2bobobobo5bobobobo2bo$8bo2bob3obo2bo$11b2obob2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by gmc_nxtman » October 7th, 2015, 10:29 pm

Xenonquark wrote:I have decided to find some still lives using JLS, and found... this..:

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x = 35, y = 15
14booboboo$11bobbob3obobbo$5bobbobobobo5bobobobobbo$5b4obobobb5obbobob4o$3boo5bo
b3o5b3obo5boo$4boboobo5b5o5boboobo$4boboob5o7b5oboobo$3boo9b7o9boo$4boboob5o7b5o
boobo$4boboobo5b5o5boboobo$3boo5bob3o5b3obo5boo$5b4obobobb5obbobob4o$5bobbobobob
o5bobobobobbo$11bobbob3obobbo$14booboboo!
Not sure if it's new or not.

EDIT:

Intresting reaction, I guess:

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x = 29, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o6$11b2obob2o$8bo2bob3obo2bo$2bo2bobobobo5bobobobo2bo$2b4obobo
2b5o2bobob4o$2o5bob3o5b3obo5b2o$bob2obo5b5o5bob2obo$bob2ob5o7b5ob2obo$
2o9b7o9b2o$bob2ob5o7b5ob2obo$bob2obo5b5o5bob2obo$2o5bob3o5b3obo5b2o$2b
4obobo2b5o2bobob4o$2bo2bobobobo5bobobobo2bo$8bo2bob3obo2bo$11b2obob2o!
It's almost certainly new, although that isn't very unique or interesting.

Here's 5 more "new" still lifes:

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x = 54, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
10bo22b2o$9bobo20bobo$10bo21bo$7b3o20b3o18b2o$6bo22bo20bobo$5bobo20bob
o16bo2bo$5b2o20bobobo15b4o2bo$3b2o22bo2b2o19b3o$2bobo20b3o21b2o$bobo
20bo23bo2bo$bo22b2o23b2o$2o5$11b2ob2o$8bo3bob2o12bo4bo$8b4o15bobo2bobo
$12b4o11bobo2bobo$8b2obo3bo8b2obob4obob2o$8b2ob2o11bo2bo6bo2bo$25bobob
4obobo$26b2obo2bob2o!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by BlinkerSpawn » October 9th, 2015, 9:01 pm

Are there any known better HWSS-to-G out there?

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x = 168, y = 109, rule = LifeHistory
80.A$32.A45.3A$32.3A42.A$35.A31.2A8.2A$34.2A32.A5.5B$34.4B11.A18.A.AB
.4B$36.3B9.A.A18.2AB.6B4.B$35.5B8.A.A20.10B.B2A64.A$35.5B7.2A.3A2.2A
14.12B2A62.3A$35.6B7.B4.A2.A14.11B.B62.A$34.8B5.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.13B
64.2A$34.9B4.2A.A6.2AB2.5B2.12B.2B9.2A49.4B$36.13B10.24B2A7.ABA42.2A
4.3B$34.13B12.24B2A6.3BA25.A15.B2AB3.3B2A$33.15B12.20B.B.B6.4B24.3A
15.4B2.4BABA$33.15B4.2B4.B2.20B8.4B24.A19.2B2.6BAB$32.17B.4B2.26B6.4B
25.2A16.13B$32.51B4.4B14.A8.5B16.13B$31.13B2A11BDB2A21B4.4B15.3A5.4B
17.14B$30.14B2A9B3DB2A21B3.4B19.A3.7B15.14B$29.2AB3.20BDBD23B3.4B19.
2A2.9B14.13B$28.A2.A4.19BD25B2.4B17.B2.3B.11B12.13B$27.A.2A5.6B3.B2.
2B2.29B.4B17.3B3.13B11.14B$27.A7.6B13.4B2.7B.17B18.18B2A4.B4.16B$26.
2A6.9B17.6B2.16B10.2A7.18B2A3.3B2.20B$33.4B4.2A19.3B3.10B.4B12.A6.18B
.B4.25B$32.4B5.A21.B4.14B13.A.AB2.18B7.26B$31.4B7.3A24.12B15.2AB2.20B
4.26B$30.4B10.A24.11B18.24B3.25B$29.4B36.11B18.24B.27B$28.4B38.9B20.
48B2.BA$27.4B39.9B18.B2.47B2.A.A$26.4B40.9B2.3B.3B.B5.51B4.2A$25.4B
39.12B.65B$24.4B38.17B2D11BDB2A46B$23.4B39.17B2D9B3DB2A46B$94BDBD49B$
72B2C20BD27B3.2B2A10B.7B11.A$60B6C5BC2BC14B2.30B6.2A2B4.2B4.5B10.3A$
59BC5BC6B2C14B5.5B.7B.13B9.B11.6B8.A$65BC10B.3B2D7B7.2B.6B2.13B19.9B
7.2A$59BC4BC11B.3B2DB3.4B11.3B3.11B21.2A.7B3.5B$61B2C10B6.B7.4B11.B4.
10B23.A5.4B2.3B$15.4B44.9B16.4B16.8B21.3A7.9B7.2A.2A$14.4B46.8B17.4B
15.8B21.A10.8B8.A.2A$4.A8.4B47.7B19.4B14.6B35.10B3.B.A$2.5A5.4B5.2A
42.6B20.4B14.5B35.7B2A2B.B3A$.A5.A4.4B5.A46.3B2A19.4B12.4B37.7B2A3BAB
2.2A$.A2.3AB2.7B.BA.A48.A2BA2.2A15.4B10.4B38.12B4A2.A$2A.A.2B3.7B.B2A
49.ABAB3.A16.4B8.4B37.2AB.7B3.2B.A.2A$A2.4A12B52.A4B.A.2A14.4B6.4B37.
A.AB.7B2.B3A2.A$.2A2.BA3B2A7B54.B2A.A.A16.4B4.4B38.A5.4B4.A5.A$3.3AB.
2B2A7B54.BAB.A2.A16.4B2.4B38.2A5.4B5.5A$3.A.B3.10B52.A4.A2.2A17.8B45.
4B8.A$2A.A8.8B51.5A23.6B45.4B$2A.2A7.9B79.4B45.4B$13.3B2.4B51.2A.A22.
6B43.4B$11.5B3.4B50.A.2A21.8B41.4B$11.2A7.4B73.4B2.4B39.4B$12.A8.4B
71.4B4.4B37.4B$9.3A10.4B69.4B6.4B35.4B$9.A13.4B67.4B8.4B33.4B$24.4B
65.4B10.4B31.4B$25.4B63.4B12.4B29.4B$26.4B61.4B14.4B27.4B$27.4B59.4B
16.4B25.4B$28.4B57.4B18.4B23.4B$29.4B55.4B20.4B21.4B$30.4B53.4B22.4B
19.4B$31.4B51.4B24.4B6.A10.4B$32.4B49.4B26.4B5.3A7.4B$33.4B47.4B28.4B
7.A5.4B$34.4B45.4B30.4B5.2A4.4B$35.4B43.4B32.4B4.9B$36.4B41.4B34.4B5.
6B$37.4B39.4B36.4B2.8B$38.4B37.4B38.15B$39.4B35.4B40.14B$40.4B33.4B
42.13B$41.4B31.4B44.10B.B2A$42.4B29.4B47.3B2AB3.BA.A$43.4B27.4B48.3B
2AB6.A$44.4B25.4B51.4B6.2A$45.4B23.4B52.3B$46.4B21.4B50.AB.2B$47.4B
19.4B50.A.AB2AB$48.4B6.A10.4B51.A.ABABAB$49.4B5.3A7.4B51.2A.A.A.A2.A$
50.4B7.A5.4B53.A2.2A.4A$51.4B5.2A4.4B54.A4.A$52.4B4.9B56.3A.A2.2A$53.
4B5.6B59.2A3.2A$54.4B2.8B$55.15B$56.14B$57.13B$58.10B.B2A$60.3B2AB3.B
A.A$60.3B2AB6.A$62.4B6.2A$62.3B$59.AB.2B$58.A.AB2AB$58.A.ABABAB$57.2A
.A.A.A2.A$58.A2.2A.4A$58.A4.A$59.3A.A2.2A$61.2A3.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by M. I. Wright » October 9th, 2015, 10:53 pm

I wonder if a Bellman catalyst could shove the honeyfarm's top beehive back down one cell.

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x = 31, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
13bo$12bobo$12bobo$13bo2$2b2o$o4bo$6bo$o5bo$b6o22b2o$29b2o6$26b2o$26bo
$27bo$26b2o!
Failing that, the output could be made to do something like this:

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x = 21, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
4.A$4.3A$A6.A$3A3.2A$3.A$2.2A5.2A$9.2A3$3.C$4.C7.3D3.2A$4.2C8.D2.A2.A
$3.2C7.3D3.2A$3.C!
Don't know if that would beat 1223 ticks, though.

A stable beehive pusher would also be nice, although it couldn't be used here because of the way the HF forms - a pentadecathlon can't be used either.

Speaking of near-transparent HWSS reactions, I find this one interesting - nothing new, of course.

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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2b2o7b2o$o4bo5b2o$6bo$o5bo$b6o!
Edit: Unrelated - are there any p24 sparkers, or a glider collision that produces a one- or two-cell spark and works at p24?

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x = 7, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo$o2bo$3bo$o2bobo$3bo$o2bo$o2bo$b2o3$b2o$o2bo$o2bo$3bo$o2bob2o$
3bo$o2bo$o2bo$b2o3$b2o$o2bo$o2bo$3bo$o2bobo$3bo2bo$o2bo$o2bo$b2o!

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by thunk » October 10th, 2015, 1:25 am

Managed to get an HWSS-G that works at 638(?) ticks. Could be substantially improved. (I hope I didn't screw up this time)

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x = 139, y = 373, rule = LifeHistory
11$82.C.C$85.C$85.C$85.C$82.2B.C$82.CB.C$82.B3C283$62.2A$61.A.A$55.2A
4.A$53.A2.A2.2A.4A$53.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$56.A.ABABAB$56.A.AB2AB$57.AB.2B$
60.3B$60.4B6.2A$58.3B2AB6.A$58.3B2AB3.BA.A$56.10B.B2A$55.13B$54.14B$
53.15B$52.4B2.8B$51.4B5.6B$50.4B4.9B$49.4B5.2A4.4B$48.4B7.A5.4B$47.4B
5.3A7.4B$46.4B6.A10.4B$45.4B19.4B$45.3B21.B3D$45.2B23.D$45.B25.D2$40.
D64.2A$25.A13.BD.D34.B15.A10.B2AB$25.3A10.2B2D35.2B5.C.C6.3A9.2B$28.A
8.4B36.3B3.C12.A7.2B$27.2A7.4B37.4B2.C3.C.B5.2A6.4B$27.5B3.4B39.4B.C
3.C3B4.5B2.6B2.3B$29.3B2.4B41.4BC2.5B6.4B.12B$19.2A7.9B28.2A13.3BC2.C
5B4.18B$19.A8.8B28.B2AB5.A7.2B3C7B2.20B$16.2A.A.B3.10B5.2A23.3B5.3A6.
34B$16.A2.3AB.2B2A7B6.A18.B3.B.B9.A5.35B2.B$17.2A2.BA3B2A7B3.3A19.B2.
6B6.2A5.35B.B2A$19.4A12B3.A2.3A16.9B6.44B2A$19.A.2B3.7B.B2A.A.A2.A7.
2A7.12B5.40B.2B$20.3AB2.7B.BA.A.A.A.A.A6.A8.12B3.41B$23.A4.4B5.A2.A.A
.2A6.A.AB6.51B$18.5A5.4B5.3A2.A10.2AB.3B2.50B$18.A10.4B7.3A12.21B3D7B
2D24B$20.A9.4B5.A15.23BD5B2CBD24B$19.2A10.4B4.2A15.20B3D5B2C2D14B2.9B
$24.2A6.9B14.46B2.5B2.4B$25.A7.6B14.21B.25B2.4B5.4B$25.A.2A5.6B3.B2.
2B2.20B5.4B.19B3.2AB7.4B$26.A2.A4.19BD15B6.2B2A14B3.B4.A.A9.4B$27.2AB
3.20BDBD4B.7B9.2A.3B.8B9.2A11.4B$28.14B2A9B3D4B2.6B16.7B24.4B$29.13B
2A11BD4B3.6B15.2A2B28.4B$30.29B6.4B15.BA2B29.4B$30.17B.4B12.B2A2B13.
3A3B$31.15B.6B12.2A.B2A11.A3.2B$31.19B.A2B.2A11.BA.A13.3B$32.13B.3B.A
.A2B.A14.A13.B.B$34.13B2.A.AB2.A15.2A$33.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$33.6B6.2ABA2.
4A.A$33.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A$33.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$34.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$33.B
2AB9.A.A$34.2A11.A!
EDIT: 574 ticks.

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x = 379, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
335.2A$335.A.A$337.A4.2A$333.4A.2A2.A2.A$333.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$335.BABABA
.A$336.B2ABA.A$337.2B.BA$336.3B$327.2A6.4B$328.A6.B2A3B$328.A.AB3.B2A
3B$329.2AB.10B$331.13B$331.14B$331.15B$333.8B2.4B$333.6B5.4B$332.9B4.
4B$331.4B4.2A5.4B$330.4B5.A7.4B$329.4B7.3A5.4B$304.A23.4B10.A6.4B$
303.A.A21.4B19.4B$302.A.A2.AB17.3DB21.4B13.A$300.3A2.2A.AB.B13.3BD23.
4B10.3A$299.A3.2A2.BA2B2A11.3BD25.4B8.A$285.3B12.3A2.3AB.B2A10.4B27.
4B7.2A$285.4B13.A.A2.2B2.B10.4B29.4B3.5B$286.4B12.BABAB14.4B31.4B2.3B
$287.4B12.BA3B12.4B33.9B7.2A$288.4B12.4B11.4B35.8B8.A$289.4B11.3B11.
4B10.A19.2A5.10B3.B.A.2A$290.4B7.B.4B10.4B9.3A19.A6.7B2A2B.B3A2.A$
291.4B.B3.8B.B4.B.4B9.A23.3A3.7B2A3BAB2.2A$292.6B2.11B2.6B4.2B4.2AB
18.3A2.A3.12B4A$292.22B3D2B4.9B2.B15.A2.A.A.2AB.7B3.2B.A$291.25BD3B2.
10B.4B11.A.A.A.A.A.AB.7B2.B3A$292.23BD3B3.9B.6B10.2A.A.A2.A5.4BD3.A$
291.2C11B3D12B2.10B.6B13.A2.3A5.4B5.5A$289.C.3BC9BDBD11B2.19B12.3A7.
4B10.A$.6C284.4BC9B2C12B2.19B14.A5.4B9.A$C5BC282.C5BC9B2C9B7.17B13.2A
4.4B10.2A$2.4BC283.6C16B.2B7.17B14.9B6.2A$C.3BCB283.22B8.21B14.6B7.A$
2.2C3B285.19B9.24B2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$296.16B2.2B3.21BD19B4.A2.A$294.
14BD24B.4BDBD20B3.B2A$294.2A2.8BDBD23B2.4B3D9B2A14B$295.A3.B.5B3D23B
2.4BD11B2A13B$292.3A7.4BD24B4.29B$292.A10.9BA19B10.4B.17B$310.3BA.16B
10.5B2.15B$311.3A5.12B6.2A.2BA.19B$312.4B6.9B6.A.2BA.A5.13B$314.2A5.
11B6.A2.BA.A2.13B$314.A5.2AB.7B8.A3.A.A.2A4.8B$315.3A.A.AB2.4B8.A.4A
2.AB2A6.6B$317.A.A5.2B2AB6.A.A3.A.A2.B8.5B$318.2A7.2A7.A.A2.A2.2A.2A
9.B.B$337.A3.2A2.A.A9.3B$345.A.A9.B2AB$346.A11.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Xenonquark » October 10th, 2015, 6:58 pm

We need more ludicrously big things. So I made a ludicrously huge still life with the assistance of JLS.

I'm calling it the Harddrive:

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x = 62, y = 62, rule = B3/S23
26b2o6b2o$b2obo4bo4bo9b3o8b3o9bo4bo4bob2o$b2ob3obobo3b3o3bo2bo4bob2obo
4bo2bo3b3o3bobob3ob2o$7b2o2bo5bo2b4obob2ob2ob2obob4o2bo5bo2b2o$b2ob2o
4b2o4bo8b2o8b2o8bo4b2o4b2ob2o$2bobob4o6bobo3b2o4b6o4b2o3bobo6b4obobo$
2bo2bo5b3o3bobo3bob2obo4bob2obo3bobo3b3o5bo2bo$3bobo2b2obo2bo3bo2bo2bo
bo3b2o3bobo2bo2bo3bo2bob2o2bobo$2b2obobo2bo2bobo3b2ob2o3b3o2b3o3b2ob2o
3bobo2bo2bobob2o$bo3bobobo4bo5bo8bo2bo8bo5bo4bobobo3bo$2bobo3bo3bobobo
3bo5bobo4bobo5bo3bobobo3bo3bobo$3b2ob2o4b2obobo3b2o3b2o6b2o3b2o3bobob
2o4b2ob2o$6bo3b2o3bo2bo4bo14bo4bo2bo3b2o3bo$6bobo2bo3b2obo4bo14bo4bob
2o3bo2bobo$b2o4bob2o5bobobo3b2ob2o4b2ob2o3bobobo5b2obo4b2o$2bo5bo2b3o
2bob2obo4b2o6b2o4bob2obo2b3o2bo5bo$2bob2o4bo2b4o4b4o4bo2bo4b4o4b4o2bo
4b2obo$3bo2bo4bo5b2obo4b3ob4ob3o4bob2o5bo4bo2bo$5bobo4b4obo3bo2bo3bo4b
o3bo2bo3bob4o4bobo$6bobo6bo3b2obo2bo2bob2obo2bo2bob2o3bo6bobo$2b2o4b3o
3bo2bobo2bob2o3bo2bo3b2obo2bobo2bo3b3o4b2o$3bo3bo3bo3b2obo2bo2bo5b2o5b
o2bo2bob2o3bo3bo3bo$3bobo2bo2bo4bo2b2o3bo12bo3b2o2bo4bo2bo2bobo$2b2ob
2obo3b2o2bo8b2o3b2o3b2o8bo2b2o3bob2ob2o$bo5bo6bobobob3o3bo2bo2bo2bo3b
3obobobo6bo5bo$bob2obo7bo2bob2o2bo2bobob2obobo2bo2b2obo2bo7bob2obo$2o
2bob2o2b2o3bobo5b3o2bo4bo2b3o5bobo3b2o2b2obo2b2o$o2bo4bo2bo2b2obo10bo
4bo10bob2o2bo2bo4bo2bo$2b2ob2obobo3bo3b2o5b3o6b3o5b2o3bo3bobob2ob2o$5b
o2b2o6b2o2bo3bo12bo3bo2b2o6b2o2bo$2b2obobo9bobobobobo10bobobobobo9bobo
b2o$2b2obobo9bobobobobo10bobobobobo9bobob2o$5bo2b2o6b2o2bo3bo12bo3bo2b
2o6b2o2bo$2b2ob2obobo3bo3b2o5b3o6b3o5b2o3bo3bobob2ob2o$o2bo4bo2bo2b2ob
o10bo4bo10bob2o2bo2bo4bo2bo$2o2bob2o2b2o3bobo5b3o2bo4bo2b3o5bobo3b2o2b
2obo2b2o$bob2obo7bo2bob2o2bo2bobob2obobo2bo2b2obo2bo7bob2obo$bo5bo6bob
obob3o3bo2bo2bo2bo3b3obobobo6bo5bo$2b2ob2obo3b2o2bo8b2o3b2o3b2o8bo2b2o
3bob2ob2o$3bobo2bo2bo4bo2b2o3bo12bo3b2o2bo4bo2bo2bobo$3bo3bo3bo3b2obo
2bo2bo5b2o5bo2bo2bob2o3bo3bo3bo$2b2o4b3o3bo2bobo2bob2o3bo2bo3b2obo2bob
o2bo3b3o4b2o$6bobo6bo3b2obo2bo2bob2obo2bo2bob2o3bo6bobo$5bobo4b4obo3bo
2bo3bo4bo3bo2bo3bob4o4bobo$3bo2bo4bo5b2obo4b3ob4ob3o4bob2o5bo4bo2bo$2b
ob2o4bo2b4o4b4o4bo2bo4b4o4b4o2bo4b2obo$2bo5bo2b3o2bob2obo4b2o6b2o4bob
2obo2b3o2bo5bo$b2o4bob2o5bobobo3b2ob2o4b2ob2o3bobobo5b2obo4b2o$6bobo2b
o3b2obo4bo14bo4bob2o3bo2bobo$6bo3b2o3bo2bo4bo14bo4bo2bo3b2o3bo$3b2ob2o
4b2obobo3b2o3b2o6b2o3b2o3bobob2o4b2ob2o$2bobo3bo3bobobo3bo5bobo4bobo5b
o3bobobo3bo3bobo$bo3bobobo4bo5bo8bo2bo8bo5bo4bobobo3bo$2b2obobo2bo2bob
o3b2ob2o3b3o2b3o3b2ob2o3bobo2bo2bobob2o$3bobo2b2obo2bo3bo2bo2bobo3b2o
3bobo2bo2bo3bo2bob2o2bobo$2bo2bo5b3o3bobo3bob2obo4bob2obo3bobo3b3o5bo
2bo$2bobob4o6bobo3b2o4b6o4b2o3bobo6b4obobo$b2ob2o4b2o4bo8b2o8b2o8bo4b
2o4b2ob2o$7b2o2bo5bo2b4obob2ob2ob2obob4o2bo5bo2b2o$b2ob3obobo3b3o3bo2b
o4bob2obo4bo2bo3b3o3bobob3ob2o$b2obo4bo4bo9b3o8b3o9bo4bo4bob2o$26b2o6b
2o! 
EDIT (7:51 EST):
Just discovered this can eat stuff. Because it has 4 corners, and the part that eats things are on the corners, it can eat 4 gliders at once! It probably won't be used, as it's LUDICROUSLY huge!

EDIT:
I'm dissapointed of my explanation of its eating properties.

EDIT:
I hate my typo.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Sphenocorona » October 10th, 2015, 9:09 pm

1: For small things (like typos) which nobody has responded to, it's OK to make an edit directly to what you wrote before without making an "EDIT" statement at the bottom.

2: Still lives on their own are extremely trivial as discoveries - it may be time consuming, but it's not hard to make a big one by hand, for example here's an asymmetric still life that I made by hand in less than 30 minutes (a search program can create a still life in less than a second):

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x = 79, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
39bo$35b2obobo$36bobobo$36bobobob2o6b2ob2o$37b2ob2o2bo4bobobobo$43bobo
2bobo2bobo7bo$37b2ob4obo2bobobo2bob2o2b3o$38bobo4bob2o2b2obo2bo2bo5b2o
$36bo4b3obo2bo5b2o3b2ob2o3bo$36b5o2bo2bo2b4obo5bobo2bo$41bo2bob2obo2bo
2bo4bo3b3o$38b2ob2obo3bo3bob2o2b2ob3o4b2ob2o$37bobo2bobo3bobobo2bobobo
4bob2obobobo$36bo3bo2b2ob2obob2obo2bobob2obobo2bo3bo$21b2o12bob3o6bo2b
o4bobo2bobob2obob2o2bo5bo$20bo2bo3b2o4b3obo2b5obob2ob4ob3o2bo4bo2bobo
4b3o$21b2obo2bo2bobo3bo2bo5bobo3bo9b4obo2bob2o2bo$22bo2bobob2ob4o4b4ob
o2b3o2b8o3bobob2o3bo2bo$22bob2obo16bob2o3b2o9b2o2b2o2b3ob3o$23bo3bob2o
b4o3bob2obo2bo2bo3b8obobo3bo2bo$25b2obobobo2bo3b2obobo2bobob3o10bob2ob
o3b2o$24b2o2bobo2bobob2o3bobob2obo5b5ob2obo2bob2o3bo$23bo3b2ob2obob2ob
o3bobobo2bob4o4bobobob2o3bo2bo$23b4o5bobo6b2obobob2obo3bobo3bobo6bobo$
28b4o2bob2o2bo3bobo2bobo2b2ob5ob2ob3obob2o$21b3o2b2o6b2obo3b2obob3o2bo
bo13bo2bo$20bo2bo2bo2bo12bobo4b3ob6ob6o3b2o$19bobo2b2o2b4o9bo2bob3o9bo
bo3bo$19bob3o2b2o4bo3bo3bo3bobo2bo5b2o3bobo3bo$18b2o4bo2bo2b2obobobobo
b4o2bobo4bo2b3obob4o$18bo2b3o3bobo2b2obob2o2bo3b3ob2o4bobo3bo$19b3o4b
2ob2o4bo5bobo7bo4bo4b6o$11bo19b3obo6bob6o2bo13bo$10bobo8b3obob3o3bob2o
7bo5b3o8b2ob2o$6b2o2bob3o5bo3b3obob3o11bo2b3o12bobo$5bo2bobo4bo3bob2o
20b2obo3bo10bo2bo$6b2o2bob2o2bo2bobob2o4b2o13bobo2bo12b2o$7bob2obob2ob
obobo3bo4bo13bobobo$7bo6bo2bobo2b4o2bo16bobo$8b3obo2bobobo6b4o16bo$bob
ob3o2bob2obobo2b4obo4bo$ob2obo2bobo4bo2bobo2bobob2obo$o4bobo2bob3o2b2o
bobo2bo2bob2o$b3obobob2obo2b2o2b2ob3obo$3bobobo2bo3bo2bo8b2o$4b2ob2o3b
obobob7obo2bo$11b2o2b2obo5bo3b2o$12bo6bo2bo2bo$10bo4b3ob7o$10b6o2bo$
18bob2o2b2o$12b2o3b2obobo2bo$12bobobo2bo3b2o$15b2obo$18bobo$18b2obo$
21bo$21b2o!
Still lives are only really interesting if they are catalysts or signal wire components, and in such cases it's only the active region (with bushing) that is of interest (except in the case of synthesizing them, where the casing's synthesizability matters). Here, the active regions are able to be minimally supported by just an eater.

The other type of 'interesting' still life is one that is supposed to be a picture of something, which normally is not used for a post of its own but maybe in a profile picture or background or something.


The trivialness of finding still lives makes me think of a question about the nature of such patterns, though - one that may actually be very difficult to prove true or false. The problem is similar to the method used to prove the four color theorem, about if there are a finite amount of patterns which any still life can be made out of. The idea is more subtle than that, and I don't know how to phrase it properly - it might just be pattern recognition of the small scale support structures, and that there's nothing about them that makes any of those distinct from some giant convoluted and heavily interconnected still lives.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by Xenonquark » October 10th, 2015, 9:18 pm

What should we name it?
Twelve plus one is equal to eleven plus two, anagram or not.

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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Post by dvgrn » October 10th, 2015, 10:36 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:The trivialness of finding still lives makes me think of a question about the nature of such patterns, though - one that may actually be very difficult to prove true or false. The problem is similar to the method used to prove the four color theorem, about if there are a finite amount of patterns which any still life can be made out of...
I'm tempted to alter the problem statement a little. As stated it seems like it's trivially true -- you can pick out a few small NxN patterns, let's say, and they'll work to build any still life. It's going to be all the NxN patterns that (1) don't contain any cells with more than three neighbors, and (2) don't contain any cells-not-next-to-an-edge that have fewer than two neighbors.

The minimal set is obviously when N=1: b! and o! can certainly build all still lifes. But of course they can build everything else, too. N=2 doesn't help anything, because all combinations of ON and OFF cells inside 2x2 can perfectly well be part of a still life.

N=3 starts getting interesting, and in fact I'd conjecture that it's the minimal set (with a caveat detailed below). We get to throw away lots of 3x3 tiles where one or more of the cells is in the wrong state for what's around them. When we've discarded those, what's left is the set of Still-Life Compatible 3x3 Tiles.

Now, if we're allowed to just stick 3x3 tiles next to each other, we can still build lots of things that aren't still lifes. For example, one parity of a glider can be divided into two Still-Life Compatible 3x3s. It doesn't do any good to go to N>3, because you could still build a glider with two SLC tiles for any size N. So how do we make sure that we can build all still lifes and nothing but still lifes using this set?

Seems to me that it will work to pick a tile from the set, and then for each cell on the edge of that tile, pick another tile in the set that overlaps correctly with all tiles chosen so far... and continue picking tiles for newly added cells until we've picked the empty tile for every cell all the way around the edge of some MxN rectangle, at which point we can safely stop.

How many tiles are there in the Still Life Compatible 3x3 set? And how many if rotations and reflections are allowed? Obviously it isn't an unmanageably large number.

-- Probably someone has thought of all this a long time ago, and worked out all the details. But I don't remember seeing anything about it anywhere ... so I really hope the someone wasn't me.

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