Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » May 18th, 2023, 2:37 pm

Three more SKOPs.

96P117:

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x = 24, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12bo2b2o$10bobo3bo$9bobob3o$9bo3bo$6b2obo3bob3o$6b2obo3bobo2bo$
9bobob2o2b2o$bo7b2o11bo$b3o16b3o$4bo14bo$3bo16bo$3b2o14b2o$8b2o4b2o$3b
2o2b2o6b2o2b2o$3bo4b2o4b2o4bo$2obo5bo4bo5bob2o$2ob2o14b2ob2o$3bo16bo$
3bobo12bobo$4b2o12b2o!
117P236:

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x = 36, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
21b2o5b2o$21bo6bobo$22bo7bo2b2o$21b2o6b2obobo$30bobo$30bobo$29bo3b2o$
30b3o2bo$32bob2o$20b2o10bo$19bobo9b2o$19bo$19bobo$20b2o6$10b3o$9bo3bo
11b3o$2obo5b2ob2o10bo$ob2o24bo$23b2o3b3o$21bo9bo$21bo4b3ob2o$21bobobo
b2o$23bo6b4o$2o27b2o2bo$o2bo2bo$b5obo$7bo2bo$3b3ob4o$2bo3bo$2b2o2bobo
$7b2o!
31P12:

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x = 8, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$2bo2bo$bobobo$bo2bo$o$bobo2b2o$7bo$4bobo2$3bobo$3bo2bo$2obo$bo3b
2o$bob2o$2bo!
EDIT: 103P141:

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x = 36, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
16bo7bo$15bobo5bobo$16bo7bo4$9bobo17bobo$12bo15bo$11bo4bo7bo4bo$7bo7b
o2bo3bo2bo7bo$6bob2o6b3o3b3o6b2obo$6bo9b3o3b3o9bo$5b2o27b2o2$12b2o13b
2o$12b2o13b2o2$5b2o27b2o$6bo9b3o3b3o9bo$6bob2o6b3o3b3o6b2obo$3bo3bo7b
o2bo3bo2bo7bo$b3o7bo4bo7bo4bo$o11bo15bo$bob3o3bobo17bobo$bo5bo$2bo2bo
$2bobo2bobo$8b2o6bo7bo$15bobo5bobo$16bo7bo!
EDIT2:
There is another variant of 31P12:

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x = 10, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo$2b2obo$bo$obo2bo2b2o$o2bo5bo$b2o3bobo2$5bobo$5bo2bo$2b2obo$3bo3b2o
$3bob2o$4bo!
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » May 19th, 2023, 1:31 am

Period1GliderGun wrote:
May 18th, 2023, 2:37 pm
96P117:

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x = 24, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12bo2b2o$10bobo3bo$9bobob3o$9bo3bo$6b2obo3bob3o$6b2obo3bobo2bo$
9bobob2o2b2o$bo7b2o11bo$b3o16b3o$4bo14bo$3bo16bo$3b2o14b2o$8b2o4b2o$3b
2o2b2o6b2o2b2o$3bo4b2o4b2o4bo$2obo5bo4bo5bob2o$2ob2o14b2ob2o$3bo16bo$
3bobo12bobo$4b2o12b2o!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » May 19th, 2023, 11:43 am

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
May 19th, 2023, 1:31 am
Period1GliderGun wrote:
May 18th, 2023, 2:37 pm
96P117:

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x = 24, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12bo2b2o$10bobo3bo$9bobob3o$9bo3bo$6b2obo3bob3o$6b2obo3bobo2bo$
9bobob2o2b2o$bo7b2o11bo$b3o16b3o$4bo14bo$3bo16bo$3b2o14b2o$8b2o4b2o$3b
2o2b2o6b2o2b2o$3bo4b2o4b2o4bo$2obo5bo4bo5bob2o$2ob2o14b2ob2o$3bo16bo$
3bobo12bobo$4b2o12b2o!
This one is known.
Thanks for the correction. At the time of the posting, I was going off of the LifeWiki SKOP page, which had SKOP 117 listed as, I believe, thumb 1 on p39 pi-heptomino hassler.
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by KtT » May 19th, 2023, 11:42 pm

P145, minimum phase is 72 cells:

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x = 28, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
2b2o4b2o$2bobo2bobo$4bo2bo$3bo4bo$3bo4bo$3bo4bo6bo$5b2o6b3o$12bo$12b2o
2$bo$obo5bo6bo$bo4b2o8bo$8bo7bo$15bo2$19b2o$8bo9bo2bo4b2o$bo4b2o18bo$
obo5bo15bobo$bo22b2o4$13bobo3bobo$14bo5bo$14bo5bo4$13bo7bo$12bobo5bob
o$13bo7bo!
P245, minimum phase is 116 cells:

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x = 24, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
2o$o2b2o10b2o$b2obo9bobo$5bo8b2o$5bo12b2o$b2obo13bobo$o2b2o15bo$2o18b
2o3$2b2o$3bo$2bo$2b2o2$2b2o5b2o5b2o$2bobo5b2o4b2o$3bo5b2o$3o$o3$5bo$4b
obo$3bo2bo10b2o$4b2o11b2o3$5b2o11b2o$5b2o10bo2bo$17bobo$18bo3$23bo$21b
3o$13b2o5bo$6b2o4b2o5bobo$6b2o5b2o5b2o2$20b2o$21bo$20bo$20b2o3$2b2o$3b
o$3bobo$4b2o$8b2o$7bobo$7b2o!
P261, minimum phase is 104 cells:

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x = 36, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
20bo$20b3o$23bo$22b2o2$34bo$28bo4bobo$19b2o6b2o5bo$19b2o7bo3$15b2o$8b
2o5b2o11bo$3bo5bo17b2o5bo$2bobo4bobo16bo4bobo$2bobo5b2o22bo$2o2b2o$bo
bo$o2b3o$obo3bo8bo5bo$bob3ob2o5b3o3b3o$3bo$3bo$bob3ob2o$obo3bo$o2b3o8b
o7bo$bobo9bobo5bobo$2o2b2o8bo7bo$2bobo$2bobo$3bo!
P365, minimum phase is 86 cells:

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x = 39, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
24b2o$6b2o16bo$7bo17bo$7bobo12b4o$8b2o12bo$25b3o$25bo2bo$27b2o2$2o16b
3o$o2b2o16bo$b2obo14bobo6bo$5bo14bo6bobo$5bo22bo$b2obo$o2b2o$2o5$16bo
$15bobo6bo$16bo6bobo$23bo$24b3o2$16b2o$16bo2bo$17b3o$22bo12b2o$19b4o12b
obo$19bo17bo$20bo16b2o$19b2o!
P413, minimum phase is 120 cells:

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x = 45, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
6b2o5b2o$5bobo6bo$b2o2bo7bo$bobob2o6b2o$3bobo$3bobo$b2o3bo35b2o$o2b3o
29b3o4b2o$2obo27bo6bo$3bo10b2o15bo2bobob2o$3b2o9bobo15b3o6b3o$16bo19b
2obobo2bo$14bobo20bo6bo$14b2o16b2o4b3o$32b2o5$23b3o$22bo3bo$22b2ob2o5b
ob2o$32b2obo6$34b2o$29bo2bo2bo$28bob5o$25bo2bo$25b4ob3o$29bo3bo$27bob
o2b2o$27b2o!
P506, minimum phase is 64 cells:

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x = 25, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o11b2o5b2o$15b2o5b2o$5bo$4bobo$3bo3bo$4bo2bo$4bo2bo$5b2o6$
3b2o$2bo2bo$2bo2bo$2bo3bo$3bobo8b2obo3bob2o$4bo9bo2bo3bo2bo$15b3o3b3o
$6b2o$6bo$7b3o$9bo4$22b2o$22b2o!
P889, minimum phase is 108 cells:

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x = 43, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$2o2bo$2o2bo$4b2o$7bo$3bobobo21bo$2b2o3bo19b3o$bo3b2o19bo$bobobo20b
2o$bo$3b2o$4bo2b2o4bo10bo9b2o$4bo2b2o3bobo8b2o9b2o$2b2o9bo7b2o$19b2o2b
o$23bo2bo$25bo$19bobo3bo$20b3o4bo2$5b2o$5b2o6$41b2o$41b2o2$20bo4b3o$22b
o3bobo$22bo$21bo2bo$24bo2b2o$25b2o7bo$12b2o9b2o8bobo$12b2o9bo10bo3$20b
2o$21bo$18b3o$18bo!
EDIT: P350, minimum phase is 94 cells:

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x = 39, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8b3o$11bo$10b2o$o$3o10b2o$3bo8bobo$2b2o8b2o3$19b3o7b2o5b2o$29b2o5b
2o2$12bobo$11bo3bo$8bo3bobo13b3o5b3o$7bobo3bo14bo2bo3bo2bo$6bo3bo18bo
7bo$7bobo20bobobobo2$31b2ob2o$3o2$30bo5bo$8b2o8b2o9b2o5b2o$7bobo8bo$7b
2o10b3o$21bo$10b2o$10bo$11b3o$13bo!
EDIT 2: SKOP 304, minimum phase is 63 cells:

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x = 35, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
13bo$12bo2bo12b2o$12bo2bo2bo9b2o2bo$14bo3bo9bo4bo$18bo9bo4bo$28bo$29b
obob2o$o29b2ob2o$3o$3bo14bo8b3o$2b2o14b2o$17b2o2$8b2o$7b2o14b2o$8bo14b
o$24b3o$26bo3$8bo$8bo3bo$8bo2bo2bo$11bo2bo$13bo!
EDIT 3: SKOP 584, minimum phase is 64 cells:

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x = 33, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
17bo$15b3o$5b2o7bo$6bo7b2o$6bobo$7b2o2$15bo$2b2o10bobo$2b2o11bo2$15bo
$2bo12b2o$bobo11bo11b2o$b2o14bo9b2obo$17bo13bo$17bo10bo$bo27bob2o$o2b
o27b2o$o2bo$2bo2$2bo$o2bo$o2bo$bo15bo$16bo2bo$16bo2bo$18bo!

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by KtT » June 30th, 2023, 7:42 am

SKOP 355, minimum phase is 110 cells:

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x = 62, y = 44, rule = B3/S23
8b2o4b2o$8bobo2bobo$10bo2bo$9bo4bo$9bo4bo14b2o$9bo4bo14bo$5b2o4b2o14b
obo$5bobo19b2o$6bo6$2b2o21b3o$bobo21bo$bo24bo$2o$15b3o$14bo3bo$15bobo
22bo$8b2o6bo23b3o$7bobo33bo$7bo34b2o10b2o$6b2o10b2o34bo$18bo33bobo$19b
3o23bo6b2o$21bo22bobo$43bo3bo$44b3o$60b2o$35bo24bo$36bo21bobo$34b3o21b
2o6$55bo$33b2o19bobo$32bobo20b2o$32bo$31b2o!
EDIT: SKOP 410, minimum phase is 66 cells:

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x = 34, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
19b2o9b3o$19b2o8b3o$25b3o$5b2o$5b2o3$18b3o$17bo$17bobo$18bo$2o$o2b2o$
b2obo$5bo$5bo$b2obo$o2b2o$2o$20bo$19bobo$21bo$18b3o3$32b2o$32b2o$11b3o
$7b3o8b2o$6b3o9b2o!

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » July 12th, 2023, 7:52 pm

This ties with Karel's p177 as SKOP 177, with 104 cells:

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x = 43, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$22bo$22bobo3bo$23b2o3bo$28bo4$26bo$25bobo7b2o$25bobo9bo$26bo7bo
$22b2o10bo3bo$21bo2bo9bo3b4o$2b3o16bo14bo$9b2o11b2o$8bo2bo$9b2o$2b2o9b
o$3bo8bo2bo$3o9bo2bo$o12b2o13b2o12bo$27bo2bo9b3o$27bo2bo8bo$29bo9b2o$
32b2o$31bo2bo$19b2o11b2o$21bo16b3o$18bo2bo$19b2o$16bo$15bobo$15bobo$16b
o4$14bo$14bo3b2o$14bo3bobo$20bo$20b2o!
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Sokwe » July 14th, 2023, 4:50 pm

LCM SKOP p95 at 141 cells using the new p19:

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x = 40, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
28b2o$27bo2bo$16bo10bob2o$14b3o9b2o$13bo11bo2bob3o$13b2o9bob3obo2bo$
24bo5bobo2b2o$10bo15b2obobob2ob3o$b2o7b2o8bo5bo2bobo7bo$bobo16bo6b2o2b
2obob2obo$3bo7bo8bo7bobo5bobo$3b2o6bo16bobo2b2o$b2o2bo5bo8b2o7bo2bo2b
3o$o2b3o15bo8b2ob2o2bo$obo4bo20bobobobo$bob3obo9b2o7b3obob2o$3bo2bo11b
o6bo3bobo$bo2b2o9b3o7b2o2bobo$b2obo10bo14bo$4bo$4b2o!
There may be smaller solutions.

I also found this p57 that is 5 cells bigger than the current SKOP p57:

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x = 39, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
28bo$27bobo$16bo10bob3o$14b3o9b2o4bo$13bo11bo2bob2o$13b2o9bob3obo6b2o$
24bo5bobo5bo$10bo15b4o2bo2bobo$b2o7b2o8bo5bo6bo$bobo16bo6b2o2b4obo$3bo
7bo8bo7bo5bo$3b2o6bo16bob4o2bo$b2o2bo5bo8b2o7bo3bob2o$o2b3o15bo8bo2bo$
obo4bo23bobo$bob3obo9b2o13bo$3bo2bo11bo$bo2b2o9b3o$b2obo10bo$4bo$4b2o!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Haycat2009 » July 24th, 2023, 7:27 am

Have these four oscillators been discovered yet?

Probably SKOP 555:

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x = 27, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$14bo4bo$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$8bo5bo4bo$8b3o5b
2o7b2o$11bo13bo$10b2o11bobo$23b2o$15b2o$15b3o$14bo2bo$15b2o$2o$bo$bob
o19b2o$2b2o19bobo$25bo$25b2o$10b2o$9bo2bo$9b3o$10b2o$2b2o$bobo11b2o$b
o13bo$2o14b3o$18bo!
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If it is SKOP 555, can you add it to the 58P37 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 70P555)

Also probably SKOP 465:

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x = 24, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$8bo4bo$7bo6bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$7bo6bo$8bo4bo$10b2o6$7b2obo2b
ob2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o$8bo6bo6$8bo6bo$2o5bobo4bobo5b
2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$7b2obo2bob2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 465, can you also add it to the Merzenich's p31 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 60P465)
( I know that it says that its strict voltality is 0, but there are 2 cells that oscillate at p465 - Just forward it to gen 151 - )
UPDATE: Its known. Pah!

Probably SKOP 210:

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x = 15, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$2bo4bo$bo6bo$o8bo$o8bo$o8bo$bo6bo$2bo4bo$4b2o4$5b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o
$2o3bobo5b2o$7bo$9bo2$9bo$7bo$2o3bobo5b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o$5b2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 210, can you also add it to the 34P14 shuttle page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 46P210)
UPDATE: Also known...


Possibly SKOP 390:

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x = 39, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
14b6o$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$14b6o5$15b3o3b3o$5b2o7b3obobob3o7b2o$5b
obo6b2ob2ob2ob2o6bobo$6b2o9b2ob2o9b2o$2b2o12bobobobo12b2o$bobo5b2o5b2o
3b2o5b2o5bobo$bo6bobo5bo5bo5bobo6bo$2o6bo21bo6b2o$6b3o21b3o$5bo10b2o3b
2o10bo$5b2o9b2o3b2o9b2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 390, can you also add it to the 70P26 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 82P390)
UPDATE: Seems unknown...
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by AlbertArmStain » July 24th, 2023, 9:44 am

Haycat2009 wrote:
July 24th, 2023, 7:27 am
Have these four oscillators been discovered yet?

Probably SKOP 555:

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x = 27, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$14bo4bo$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$8bo5bo4bo$8b3o5b
2o7b2o$11bo13bo$10b2o11bobo$23b2o$15b2o$15b3o$14bo2bo$15b2o$2o$bo$bob
o19b2o$2b2o19bobo$25bo$25b2o$10b2o$9bo2bo$9b3o$10b2o$2b2o$bobo11b2o$b
o13bo$2o14b3o$18bo!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 555, can you add it to the 58P37 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 70P555)

Also probably SKOP 465:

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x = 24, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$8bo4bo$7bo6bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$7bo6bo$8bo4bo$10b2o6$7b2obo2b
ob2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o$8bo6bo6$8bo6bo$2o5bobo4bobo5b
2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$7b2obo2bob2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 465, can you also add it to the Merzenich's p31 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 60P465)
( I know that it says that its strict voltality is 0, but there are 2 cells that oscillate at p465 - Just forward it to gen 151 - )
UPDATE: Its known. Pah!

Probably SKOP 210:

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x = 15, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$2bo4bo$bo6bo$o8bo$o8bo$o8bo$bo6bo$2bo4bo$4b2o4$5b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o
$2o3bobo5b2o$7bo$9bo2$9bo$7bo$2o3bobo5b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o$5b2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 210, can you also add it to the 34P14 shuttle page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 46P210)
UPDATE: Also known...


Possibly SKOP 390:

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x = 39, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
14b6o$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$14b6o5$15b3o3b3o$5b2o7b3obobob3o7b2o$5b
obo6b2ob2ob2ob2o6bobo$6b2o9b2ob2o9b2o$2b2o12bobobobo12b2o$bobo5b2o5b2o
3b2o5b2o5bobo$bo6bobo5bo5bo5bobo6bo$2o6bo21bo6b2o$6b3o21b3o$5bo10b2o3b
2o10bo$5b2o9b2o3b2o9b2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 390, can you also add it to the 70P26 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 82P390)
UPDATE: Seems unknown...
If you're not sure if an oscillator is a SKOP then you can check here

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Haycat2009 » July 25th, 2023, 6:45 am

AlbertArmStain wrote:
July 24th, 2023, 9:44 am
Haycat2009 wrote:
July 24th, 2023, 7:27 am
Have these four oscillators been discovered yet?

Probably SKOP 555:

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x = 27, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$14bo4bo$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$8bo5bo4bo$8b3o5b
2o7b2o$11bo13bo$10b2o11bobo$23b2o$15b2o$15b3o$14bo2bo$15b2o$2o$bo$bob
o19b2o$2b2o19bobo$25bo$25b2o$10b2o$9bo2bo$9b3o$10b2o$2b2o$bobo11b2o$b
o13bo$2o14b3o$18bo!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 555, can you add it to the 58P37 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 70P555)

Also probably SKOP 465:

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x = 24, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$8bo4bo$7bo6bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$7bo6bo$8bo4bo$10b2o6$7b2obo2b
ob2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o$8bo6bo6$8bo6bo$2o5bobo4bobo5b
2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$7b2obo2bob2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 465, can you also add it to the Merzenich's p31 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 60P465)
( I know that it says that its strict voltality is 0, but there are 2 cells that oscillate at p465 - Just forward it to gen 151 - )
UPDATE: Its known. Pah!

Probably SKOP 210:

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x = 15, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$2bo4bo$bo6bo$o8bo$o8bo$o8bo$bo6bo$2bo4bo$4b2o4$5b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o
$2o3bobo5b2o$7bo$9bo2$9bo$7bo$2o3bobo5b2o$2o2b2obo5b2o$5b2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 210, can you also add it to the 34P14 shuttle page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 46P210)
UPDATE: Also known...


Possibly SKOP 390:

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x = 39, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
14b6o$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$14b6o5$15b3o3b3o$5b2o7b3obobob3o7b2o$5b
obo6b2ob2ob2ob2o6bobo$6b2o9b2ob2o9b2o$2b2o12bobobobo12b2o$bobo5b2o5b2o
3b2o5b2o5bobo$bo6bobo5bo5bo5bobo6bo$2o6bo21bo6b2o$6b3o21b3o$5bo10b2o3b
2o10bo$5b2o9b2o3b2o9b2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 390, can you also add it to the 70P26 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 82P390)
UPDATE: Seems unknown...
If you're not sure if an oscillator is a SKOP then you can check here
Yes, but SKOP 390 redirects to buckaroo while there is no link for checking SKOP 555. So how do I tell? However, a buckaroo loop probably needs at least 97 cells.
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by KtT » August 8th, 2023, 8:32 am

SKOP 1606 and SKOP 3358 can be reduced by 1 cell:

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x = 102, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
3bo5bo67bo5bo$3b2o3b2o3b2o62b2o3b2o3b2o$3b2o3b2o3bobo2b2o57b2o3b2o3bo
bo2b2o$4bo3bo5bo3b2o58bo3bo5bo3b2o2$25bo73bo$23b3o71b3o$22bo73bo$22b2o
72b2o5$14b3o71b3o$13bo2bo7b2o61bo2bo7b2o$13bo10bobo60bo10bobo$bo24bo48b
o24bo$2o11b3o10b2o46b2o11b3o10b2o$2o12bo59b2o12bo$o73bo7$69b2o$b2o56b
2o7bobo15b2o$2bo56b2o7bo17b2o$2bobo13b3o47b3o$3b2o3bo8bo3bo$7bob2o6bo
4bo$6bo4bo6b2obo$7bo3bo8bo3b2o42b3o$8b3o13bobo41bo17b2o$26bo41bobo15b
2o$26b2o41b2o!

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » August 10th, 2023, 10:18 pm

Some more SKOPS.

66p282, beats the previous record holder by 14 cells:

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x = 37, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
23bo$23bo$23bo$22b2o$20bo$19bo4bo$19bo$13b2o6b3o$13b2o5$29b2o$29b2o$35b
2o$3b2o30bo$3bo7b3o19bobo$13b2o18b2o$11bo2bo$12b2o$23b2o$22bo2bo$2b2o
18b2o$bobo19b3o7bo$bo30b2o$2o$6b2o$6b2o5$22b2o$22b2o!
103p273, beats the previous record holder by 8 cells:

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x = 41, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
19bo8b2o$19b3o6b2o$22bo$21b2o$16b2o21b2o$17bo6bo14bo$17bob2o2b3o11bob
o$9b2o7bo6bo11b2o$10bo$10bobo11bo$11b2o7bo18b2o$21bo3bo14bo$23b3o11bo
bo$24bo$36bobo$36bo2bo$33b2obo$34bo3b2o$34bob2o$35bo7$16bo$15b3o$15bo
3bo$20bo7b2o$16bo11bobo$30bo$2b2o11bo6bo7b2o$bobo11b3o2b2obo$bo14bo6b
o$2o21b2o$18b2o$18bo$11b2o6b3o$11b2o8bo!
66p376, beats the previous record holder by 16 cells:

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x = 38, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
2o$2obo$4bo9b2o$bo12b2o$2bob2o$4b2o3$30b2o$30b2o$36b2o$4b2o30bo$4bo7b
3o19bobo$14b2o18b2o$12bo2bo$13b2o$24b2o$23bo2bo$3b2o18b2o$2bobo19b3o7b
o$2bo30b2o$b2o$7b2o$7b2o5$23b2o$23b2o!
63p438, beats the previous record holder by 4 cells:

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x = 36, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
27bo$26b2o$2o24b2o$bo24bo$bobo$2b2o$10b2ob2o$10bo3bo$10bo3bo$11bobo$12b
o$4b2o$5bo24bo$2b3o23bo3b4o$2bo25bo3bo$28bo$8b2o3bo5bo3bo7bo$8b2o2bob
o3b2o3b2o4b2o$13b2o3b2o3b2o$18bo5bo!
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » August 13th, 2023, 7:25 pm

54p114:

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x = 27, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
22bo$22bo$13bo8bo$12bo2bo6b2o$12bo2bo2bo6bo$14bo3bo2bo4bo$18bo7bo$22b
3o2$o$3o$3bo14bo$2b2o14b2o$17b2o2$8b2o$7b2o14b2o$8bo14bo$24b3o$26bo3$
8bo$8bo3bo$8bo2bo2bo$11bo2bo$13bo!
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by KtT » August 18th, 2023, 3:37 am

P598, minimum phase is 62 cells:

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x = 40, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo2$6bo$3bo2bo$7bo$7bo$3bo3bo$4b3o$2o7b3o$2o6bo3b2obo$8bo7bo$8b
o6bo$9bo2bo2$6b2o$6b2o20b2o$11b2o15bobo7b2o$11b2o17bo7b2o$28b3o4$28b3o
$11b2o17bo$11b2o15bobo$28b2o!

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Haycat2009 » August 19th, 2023, 10:04 am

How can I tell if a particular period's SKOP is a Pentadecathlon-based glider shuttle?
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by squareroot12621 » August 19th, 2023, 10:34 am

Haycat2009 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:04 am
How can I tell if a particular period's SKOP is a Pentadecathlon-based glider shuttle?
Its period would need to be a multiple of 15, but I don't know of any other criteria that it would need to follow.

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4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4o8b4o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o$4b8o![[ THEME 0 AUTOSTART GPS 8 Z 16 T 1 T 1 Z 19.027 T 2 T 2 Z 22.627 T 3 T 3 Z 26.909 T 4 T 4 Z 32 T 5 T 5 Z 38.055 T 6 T 6 Z 45.255 T 7 T 7 Z 53.817 LOOP 8 ]]

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Haycat2009 » August 19th, 2023, 11:23 pm

squareroot12621 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:34 am
Haycat2009 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:04 am
How can I tell if a particular period's SKOP is a Pentadecathlon-based glider shuttle?
Its period would need to be a multiple of 15, but I don't know of any other criteria that it would need to follow.
Thought so too. So why is 60P465 SKOP 465 while 70P555 probably not SKOP 555? In theory SKOP of a multiple of 15 would need only 29 cells, but in practice it is not true. (Thats why I bother asking if these are SKOP)
Haycat2009 wrote:
July 24th, 2023, 7:27 am

Probably SKOP 555:

Code: Select all

x = 27, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$14bo4bo$13bo6bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$12bo8bo$13bo6bo$8bo5bo4bo$8b3o5b
2o7b2o$11bo13bo$10b2o11bobo$23b2o$15b2o$15b3o$14bo2bo$15b2o$2o$bo$bob
o19b2o$2b2o19bobo$25bo$25b2o$10b2o$9bo2bo$9b3o$10b2o$2b2o$bobo11b2o$b
o13bo$2o14b3o$18bo!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 555, can you add it to the 58P37 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 70P555)

Also probably SKOP 465:

Code: Select all

x = 24, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$8bo4bo$7bo6bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$6bo8bo$7bo6bo$8bo4bo$10b2o6$7b2obo2b
ob2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$2o5bobo4bobo5b2o$8bo6bo6$8bo6bo$2o5bobo4bobo5b
2o$2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o$7b2obo2bob2o!
#C [[ THUMBSIZE 2 THEME 6 GRID GRIDMAJOR 0 SUPPRESS THUMBLAUNCH ]]
If it is SKOP 465, can you also add it to the Merzenich's p31 page?
( By the way, its systematic name is 60P465)
( I know that it says that its strict voltality is 0, but there are 2 cells that oscillate at p465 - Just forward it to gen 151 - )
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » August 20th, 2023, 8:07 am

squareroot12621 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:34 am
Haycat2009 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:04 am
How can I tell if a particular period's SKOP is a Pentadecathlon-based glider shuttle?
Its period would need to be a multiple of 15, but I don't know of any other criteria that it would need to follow.
It not only has to be a multiple of 15, it also has to be an odd multiple of 60.
The first three shuttles are P60, P180, P300:

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x = 65, y = 105, rule = B3/S23
2bo4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o8bo4bo$16b2o7b2ob4ob2o$27bo4bo28$2bo
4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o$16b2o14$42bo4bo$40b2ob4ob2o$42bo4bo13$
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » August 20th, 2023, 8:52 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
August 20th, 2023, 8:07 am
squareroot12621 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:34 am
Haycat2009 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:04 am
How can I tell if a particular period's SKOP is a Pentadecathlon-based glider shuttle?
Its period would need to be a multiple of 15, but I don't know of any other criteria that it would need to follow.
It not only has to be a multiple of 15, it also has to be an odd multiple of 60.
The first three shuttles are P60, P180, P300:

Code: Select all

x = 65, y = 105, rule = B3/S23
2bo4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o8bo4bo$16b2o7b2ob4ob2o$27bo4bo28$2bo
4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o$16b2o14$42bo4bo$40b2ob4ob2o$42bo4bo13$
2bo4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o$16b2o29$57bo4bo$55b2ob4ob2o$57bo4bo!
You could also use 6 bits.
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Haycat2009 » August 21st, 2023, 7:16 am

Period1GliderGun wrote:
August 20th, 2023, 8:52 pm
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
August 20th, 2023, 8:07 am
squareroot12621 wrote:
August 19th, 2023, 10:34 am


Its period would need to be a multiple of 15, but I don't know of any other criteria that it would need to follow.
It not only has to be a multiple of 15, it also has to be an odd multiple of 60.
The first three shuttles are P60, P180, P300:

Code: Select all

x = 65, y = 105, rule = B3/S23
2bo4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o8bo4bo$16b2o7b2ob4ob2o$27bo4bo28$2bo
4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o$16b2o14$42bo4bo$40b2ob4ob2o$42bo4bo13$
2bo4bo$2ob4ob2o$2bo4bo$16bo$17b2o$16b2o29$57bo4bo$55b2ob4ob2o$57bo4bo!
You could also use 6 bits.
So is 70P555 SKOP 555? Since 555 is obviously not a multiple of 60.
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by dvgrn » August 21st, 2023, 7:28 am

Haycat2009 wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 7:16 am
Period1GliderGun wrote:
August 20th, 2023, 8:52 pm
You could also use 6 bits.
So is 70P555 SKOP 555? Since 555 is obviously not a multiple of 60.
No, the "6 bits" wiki article says that SKOP 75+120n needs no more than 49 cells:

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x = 100, y = 83, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21bo$20bobo$21bo$21bo$21bo$21bo$20bobo$21bo$21bo5$2bo2bo4bo2bo$3o
2b6o2b3o$2bo2bo4bo2bo$22b2o$21b2o$23bo61$92bo4bo$90b2ob4ob2o$92bo4bo!

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Haycat2009 » August 21st, 2023, 7:31 am

dvgrn wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 7:28 am
Haycat2009 wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 7:16 am
Period1GliderGun wrote:
August 20th, 2023, 8:52 pm
You could also use 6 bits.
So is 70P555 SKOP 555? Since 555 is obviously not a multiple of 60.
No, the "6 bits" wiki article says that SKOP 75+120n needs no more than 49 cells:

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x = 100, y = 83, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21bo$20bobo$21bo$21bo$21bo$21bo$20bobo$21bo$21bo5$2bo2bo4bo2bo$3o
2b6o2b3o$2bo2bo4bo2bo$22b2o$21b2o$23bo61$92bo4bo$90b2ob4ob2o$92bo4bo!
So what exactly makes such a loop a SKOP?
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by dvgrn » August 21st, 2023, 8:15 am

Haycat2009 wrote:
August 21st, 2023, 7:31 am
So what exactly makes such a loop a SKOP?
If the period in question is not in the list of smaller fixed-period oscillators in Skopje, assuming that that is up to date, then presumably it's going to be a SKOP. See line 461 of life.py:

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# 75+120n: 6 bits extensions
pd75_1 = lt.pattern("""20bo$19bobo3$19b3o$19b3o$20bo3$20bo$19b3o$19b3o3$19bobo$20bo$2b2o6b2o$
bo2bo4bo2bo4b3o$6o2b6o3bo$bo2bo4bo2bo5bo$2b2o6b2o""")
pd75_2 = lt.pattern("bo2b2o4b2o2bo$o3b3o2b3o3bo$bo2b2o4b2o2bo")(26,23)

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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Period1GliderGun » August 21st, 2023, 7:51 pm

SKOP 536?

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x = 89, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
39b2o$39bobo$41bo4b2o$37b4ob2o2bo2bo$37bo2bobobobob2o$40bobobobo$41b2o
bobo$45bo2$31b2o$32bo7b2o$32bobo5b2o$33b2o6$50bobo$35b2o6b2o6b2o$34bo
bo6bo7bo$36bo7b3o$46bo9$79bo$77b3o$76bo$68bo7b2o$69bo$18b2o47b3o$19b2o
63b2o$18bo66bo$3b2o80bob2o$4bo72b2o4b3o2bo$2bo74b2o3bo3b2o$2b5o14b2o59b
4o$7bo13bo46b2o15bo$4b3o12bobo45bobo12b3o$3bo15b2o46bo13bo$3b4o59b2o14b
5o$b2o3bo3b2o74bo$o2b3o4b2o72bo$2obo80b2o$3bo66bo$3b2o63b2o$19b3o47b2o
$19bo$11b2o7bo$12bo$9b3o$9bo6$63b2o2$62bo3bo$42bo18bo4bo$42b3o7bo7bob
obo$37bo7bo6bobo4bobobo$36b2o6b2o6b2o3bo4bo$36bobo18bo3bo2$59b2o$55b2o
$55b2o3$47b2o$47b2o7b2o$56bobob2o$54bobob2obo$43bo10b2o$42bobob2o$42b
obobobo$39b2obobobobo2bo$39bo2bo2b2ob4o$41b2o4bo$47bobo$48b2o!
EDIT: Nevermind. A normal Snark loop works.
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Smallest Known Oscillators to p106 (and Beyond)

Post by Chris857 » August 28th, 2023, 10:50 am

Looks like the new p140 Two-glider octomino hassler is SKOP 140 (64 cells minpop versus the 34P14 shuttle on 34P20 at 68 cells).

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