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Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » March 25th, 2021, 5:39 am

MathAndCode wrote:
March 10th, 2021, 5:54 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
March 10th, 2021, 5:35 pm
The next most common still-life is the barge. I've heard of there being a barge-specific catalysis, but I think that it also works with long boats, so we have to find something else.
I found one.

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2bo3bo$7bo$2o4bo$bo4bo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$bobo3bo$2bo!
The next still life is the half-bakery. We can probably reuse the work on finding a ship-tie-specific catalysis.



Edit: I managed to contrive this.

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x = 24, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo3$4bo$5bo6b2o$5bo5bo2bo$4bobo5bobo$5bobo5bob2o$4bobo3b2o2bo
2bo$5bo5bo3bobo$5bo5b3o2bo$8bo4bo$4b2o2b2o$9b2o$6bo7bo$5b3o5bobo$6bo2b
ob2obob2o$9bo3bobo2bo2$22b2o$21b2o$23bo!
The next still life is the mango, after that is the fishhook, which we already have unique catalyses for, and after that is the long barge.
MathAndCode wrote:
March 10th, 2021, 8:19 pm
hotdogPi wrote:
March 10th, 2021, 7:33 pm

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x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
7b8o$7bob4obo$7b8o5$3o7bo$obo6bobo$3o5bobo$3o4bobo$3o5bo$3o$obo$3o!
That doesn't count because the pentadecathlo aren't permanently affected. Fortunately, this counts:

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x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
12bo$12bo$6b4o2b2o3$8bo$2bo4bobo$2bo3bobo$2bo2bobo$2bo3bo3$3o$2bo!
I also got the aircraft carrier, paperclip, and long ship.

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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$11bo$7bo3bo$6bobo2bo$2bo$3o4b2o$o2bo3bo2bo$3b2o4b2o$2b2o!

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$4bo2bo$4bob2o$3b2obo$3bo2bo$4b2o2$4o3b2o$6b3o$6b2o!

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x = 14, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
6bo2b2o$5bobo2bo$obo2b3o$4bo2bo4bo$2b2o8b2o$2b2o3b2o3bo$2b2o3bobo$2b2o
4bobo$4bo4b2o$6bo$6bo!
Does anyone have any ideas for the integral sign that wouldn't also work with the fishhook?
goldenratio wrote:
March 10th, 2021, 9:51 pm
Integral:

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
obob2o$bo4b2o$4o3b2o$3bo3b2o$2o2bobo$o5bo$b3o4bo$4bo$3b2o!
Shillelagh:

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x = 9, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
$bo3bo$bob5o$4bobo$6bo$ob2o$2o2bo$3b2o!
Hat (far more interesting):

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x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4b2obo$2o2b3obo$2o3b2o$bo3bo$4b2o2bo$2bo4bo$bobo2b3o$bobo$2ob2o!
Trans-boat with tail (I don't think this counts):

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3bobobo$2b2obobobo$b3obo2b2o$b2o5bo$bo3bob2o$o2b3ob3o$2bo5b2o$bobo$b2o
!
I felt like that this needs a thread. I'll start with an unusual eater catalyst (eater in white):

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x = 19, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
5.A$4.2A$4.2A3.3A$5.2A9.A$6.4A3.A3.A$A.A2.A8.3A.A$2.2A7.A2.3A$3.A2.4A
.2A3.A$8.4A.A3.A$12.2A3.A$5.2A6.2A.A$5.2A6.3A$5.A2.2C7.A$3.A.A2.C.C5.
A$4.2A4.C6.A$5.A4.2C$4.A$4.A!
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Re: Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by EvinZL » March 25th, 2021, 8:25 am

Here's a sidewalk

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
5b2o2$7bo$2ob2ob2o$bobo$bo2bo2bo$2bobo2bo$b2ob2o!
EDIT:

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2bo2bo$b2o2b2o2$3b2o$2bo2bo$2bobo$3bo4b2o$3o4b2o$o8bo!
EDIT2: Got mango down

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x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2b2o3bo$bo2bo2bo$o2bo2bo$b2o3bo$5bo$3bobo$2b2o2bo$2o!
We have catalyses of all still lives with seven bits or less, and we only need very long snake for eight. Here's a catalysis

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x = 9, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6bobo$3bobo$3b2o3bo$7b2o2$7o!
For nine cells:
  • Cis-boat with tail
  • Long canoe
  • Long hook with tail
  • Long shillelagh
  • Long^3 snake
  • Tub with long tail
EDIT3: A really contrived cis-boat with tail catalysis

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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$5b2o$7bo$o3bo3bobo$o2bobo3bo$o2b2obo2bo$o5bo2bo$6b2o2bo$10bo!
EDIT4: inacessible catalysis for long canoe, does it count?

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5b2o$5bo2$5b2ob2o$3ob2o3bo$2o2bo3bo$7bo$4bobo$4b2o!
EDIT5: Long hook with tail is super easy

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x = 6, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
bo$2o$o$3bo$obobo$2o2bo$4b2o!
EDIT6: Long shillelagh

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x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$4b2o$2o3bobo$o6bo$3b2o$obo2bo$2o2b2o!
EDIT7: The very long snake catalysis extends easily to the long^3 snake

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x = 10, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$7bobo$6bo$3bobo3bo$3b2o3b2o$8bo$7bo$7o!
EDIT8:

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x = 7, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2b4o$6bo$bo4bo$obo3bo$bobo2bo$3bo2bo$2bo3bo$2b2ob2o2$6bo$5b2o$5b2o
!
EDIT9: That doesn't work. However, its easily fixed

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x = 8, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2b4o$6bo$bo4bo$obo3bo$bobo2bo$3bo2bo$2bo3bo$2b2ob2o2$6bo$5b3o$5b2o
!

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Re: Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by goldenratio » March 25th, 2021, 4:12 pm

Two very unusual catalyses:

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x = 11, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
o$o$2b2o2b2o$4b3obo$3bo3b2o$5bo2b2o$2b2o5b2o$8b3o$2b2ob2ob2o$2b2obo$5b
o$5b2o!

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x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2ob2ob2o$4b2obo$4bo2b2o$2b2o2b2o$2obo3bo2$2bobo$bob2o3bo$bo5b2o$2b3o$
4bo!
Actually transparent (EDIT: no, 1 non-transparent cell):

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
5bo$ob2o$o2bo2b2o$2bo3bobo$o4b2o$o2bo4bo$2bo2b2obo$4bobo$b2o2bo$bob2o
!
(These are being found with LLS)
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Re: Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by EvinZL » March 25th, 2021, 4:25 pm

I knew someone would use sat solvers to do this.

Anyways, barge siamese loaf is down

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x = 17, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
16o$16bo$16bo$16bo$obo13bo$o2bo3b2o7bo$b4o2bo8bo$3bo12bo$2bo3b2o3bo4bo
$5bo2bob2o4bo$4bobobo7bo$5bobo8bo$6bo3bo5bo$9b3o4bo$2b4o2bobobo3bo$5b
2o3bo5bo$11b2o3bo!
The trivial catalysis works for broken snake (the pre beehive is just to disallow a rotated version)

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x = 7, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$3b2o$3bo2$4b2o$5bo$4bo$4b2o$o4bo$o2bo$o2b2o$o$5bo$4b2o$2b2o!
And also for carrier siamese carrier

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x = 6, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$2b2o$2bo2$3b2o$4bo$2bo$2b2o$3bo$bo$b2o2$3bo$2b2o$2o!
It also seems to work for snake siamese snake

cis barge with tail is surprisingly trivial

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x = 12, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
10bo$bo8bo$bo4bo3bo$bo3bobo2b2o$bo2bobobo2bo$2o2bo2bo$o2b2o!
this works for cis hook with tail?

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x = 12, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
bo9bo$bo4b2o3bo$bo3bobo2bo$2o2bo4b2o$o2bo$4b3o$6bo2$b5o$5b2o!
Valid, but quite trivial catalysis for cis-shillelagh?

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x = 13, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
5b2o4b2o$3b2o6b2o$3bo4b2ob2o$bo7bob2o$bo2b2o2bo2b2o$bo2bo2bo3b2o$bo3b
2o$o$bo$4b4o!
Integral with hook/tub are again trivial

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Re: Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by goldenratio » March 25th, 2021, 10:37 pm

Not done yet!

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2obo2bo$3b2o$2bob3obo$ob2o3bo$b2o4bo$4b2ob2o$b2o5bo$bo2b2o$2b2o2bo$5b
2o!
(Ugh, 1 non-transparent cell again)

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
obo2bo$bo3b2o$4bo2b2o$2bo$3o3bobo$o3b3obo$3bo$4bo3bo$b3o2bo$bo3bobo!
(This was found while looking for loaf siamese loaf, but the loaf with tail is probably a better textbook example)

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x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2obo2b2o$2b3o$5b3o$2bobob2o$2o5bo$3b2o$obo2bo$obobobo$3bo2bo$6b2o!
(A better one for loaf siamese loaf)

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x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
bob2obo$ob3o$o3b3o$o5bo$o4b3o$2b2o2bo$bo2bo2bo$bobobobo$2bo2bo$3b2o2b
o!
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Re: Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by MathAndCode » March 25th, 2021, 11:02 pm

Here's an example of a block on dock as a catalyst:

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x = 34, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
o$o$o11$22b2o7b3o$18b2obobo8bo$18b2obo8b3o$21bo$12bo8bobo$12bo9b2o$12bo!
Using the same active region isn't necessary but at least counts for style points.



Edit: Here's an example of a scorpion being a catalyst:

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x = 13, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
b2o2b3o$b3o$3o8b2o$2o4b3o2bo$11bo$5bo6bo$3b3o$2bo3b2o$2bobobobo$3b2ob
obo$7bo!


Another edit: Here's a beehive with tail catalysis:

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x = 16, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$2bo$4b2o$3bo2bo$4b2obo$7bo$7b2o$13bo$13b2o$8b3o2bo$8bo4b3o$2b
3o4bo3b2o$4bo2bo2bo3bo$3bo!


Yet another edit: Here's a twin hat catalysis:

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x = 21, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
2bobo3bo3bo3bobo$2bo2bob3ob3obo2bo$2bo2bo9bo2bo$3bo4bo3bo4bo$7bobobob
o$3b2o2bobobobo2b2o$2bo3b2obobob2o3bo$o9bo9bo$2o17b2o!


Fourth edit: Here's a python catalysis:

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
b2o$2bo3bo$bo$o3b2o$2ob2o!


Fifth edit: Here's a fourteener catalysis:

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x = 16, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo2$8b2obo$7b6o$2o12bo$b2o3bo7bo$bo13bo$4b3o$11b2o$3bo3b2o2b
obo$3b2o2bo5bo$8b5o$10bo!
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Re: Thread for your contrived catalyses

Post by MathAndCode » June 20th, 2021, 6:57 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
June 20th, 2021, 6:32 pm
A claw with tail can eat a certain traffic light predecessor analogously to a beehive with tail.

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x = 6, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
3bo$3bobo$3bo$2o$o2bo$b2obo$4bo$4b2o!
It turns out that it's possible for the traffic light predecessor to get in (although it requires a rock interaction).

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x = 11, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bo4b2o$b3o3b2o2$7bo$2b3o2bo$6bo$6bobo$2o7b2o$o2bo5b2o$b2obo4bo$4bo4bo
$4b2o3b2o$9b2o$9b2o$9b2o$9bo!


Edit: Here is an even more contrived claw with tail catalysis:

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x = 14, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$6b2o$3bo$2b2o$2bo10bo$10b2obo$5bo2bo4bo$3b3ob3o2$8bo$5b2obo$9bo$3b4o3$4b2o$2bo2bo$bob2o$bo$2o!
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