PotY 2020 Voting Thread
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Tools should not be the limit.
Whether your obstacle is a script, an stdin, or Linux environment computing resouces.
check New rules thread for help.
Whether your obstacle is a script, an stdin, or Linux environment computing resouces.
check New rules thread for help.
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@wwei47 - do you realize that voting this way is the same as not voting at all? The voting is done to estimate subjective preferences of cgol community, giving same vote to everyone express zero preference.
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@wwei47 - do you realize that voting this way is the same as not voting at all? The voting is done to estimate subjective preferences of cgol community, giving same vote to everyone express zero preference.
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Different patterns take different amount of effort and have different amount of subjective impact on the importance you give them in the research of the field. Even if effort is involved there are projects that took days, weeks, months some took years maybe, they still deserve different vote.wwei47 wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2021, 7:53 pmI guess so, but it takes a lot of effort to produce those patterns, and for that, I give them 3 stars.
EDIT To explain what I mean, here is pattern of mine, I call it #40, how much stars does it deserves?
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x = 88, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
59b25o$51b8o25bo$46b5o34bo$42b4o40bo$38b4o45bo$35b3o49bo$32b3o52bo$30b
2o55bo$28b2o57bo$26b2o59bo$24b2o61bo$21b3o63bo$19b2o66bo$17b2o68bo$15b
2o69bo$14bo70bo$12b2o17b4o50bo$10b2o16b3o4b3o46bo$8b2o16b2o10b3o42bo$
7bo17bo15b3o38bo$6bo37b2o35bo$4b2o40b2o32bo$3bo44b2o29bo$2bo47b2o26bo$
bo50b2o23bo$bo52b2o20bo$o55b2o16b2o$58bo11b4o$59bo6b4o$60bo2b3o$60b3o$
57b3o2bo$54b3o5bo$51b3o9bo$48b3o12bo$45b3o16bo$42b3o19bo$39b3o22bo$34b
5o26bo$28b6o31bo$20b8o37bo$12b8o44bo$5b7o52bo$4bo58bo$4bo56b2o$5b2o52b
2o$7bo49b2o$8b2o45b2o$10b5o36b4o$15b17o15b4o$32b15o!
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
Your points are valid, but if wwei47 genuinely sees no difference between slightly helpful and very helpful or requiring a little effort and requiring a lot of effort, then it might be best to let the issue be. The idea of the voting thread is to decide what the community as a whole judges as the best pattern, so large differences in opinion should be represented more than slight differences in opinion. If wwei47 sees no significant difference between each pattern, giving each pattern three stars is better than attempting to expand the infinitesimal range of opinions to a scale from zero to three. (Of course, by this argument, not voting at all would be just as viable as an option.) Also, welcome back.simsim314 wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2021, 8:48 pmDifferent patterns take different amount of effort and have different amount of subjective impact on the importance you give them in the research of the field. Even if effort is involved there are projects that took days, weeks, months some took years maybe, they still deserve different vote.
By the way, since you seem to be the expert on making switch engines efficiently, I'm wondering whether you know of any ways to create a pair of two parallel glider-producing switch engines with seven or fewer gliders.
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
1. It's not easy to judge how much effort was put into a pattern.MathAndCode wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 11:30 amYour points are valid, but if wwei47 genuinely sees no difference between slightly helpful and very helpful or requiring a little effort and requiring a lot of effort, then it might be best to let the issue be. The idea of the voting thread is to decide what the community as a whole judges as the best pattern, so large differences in opinion should be represented more than slight differences in opinion. If wwei47 sees no significant difference between each pattern, giving each pattern three stars is better than attempting to expand the infinitesimal range of opinions to a scale from zero to three. (Of course, by this argument, not voting at all would be just as viable as an option.) Also, welcome back.
By the way, since you seem to be the expert on making switch engines efficiently, I'm wondering whether you know of any ways to create a pair of two parallel glider-producing switch engines with seven or fewer gliders.
2. Try using the infinite growth 3G twice. EDIT by dvgrn: link to infinite growth 3G GPSE.
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3. I think this is my first post to be edited by a moderator!
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4. Hi dvgrn!
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It can't have escaping gliders.wwei47 wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 12:07 pm2. Try using the infinite growth 3G twice. EDIT by dvgrn: link to infinite growth 3G GPSE.
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Aha. Any other requirements that didn't make it into the original request? How far apart or close together do these parallel glider streams have to be, to be useful?
It's easy-ish to write a search script to look for 7G no-extraneous-gliders double GPSE syntheses, but it might as well be written to look for the most useful solution first. My idea would be to set up 3G switch engine syntheses in pairs at different distances and time offsets, and then see if there's a single glider impact in the debris that can convert both switch engines to GPSEs before the natural gliders start escaping.
Luckily the first extraneous escaping glider only appears at T=583. It's a huge search space. ... Which should probably be discussed further in its own thread instead of here.
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As far as I understand the voting results is just sorted eventually.MathAndCode wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 11:30 amlarge differences in opinion should be represented more than slight differences in opinion.
If you agree that pattern #40 doesn't deserve 3 stars, then you still have some scoring function of how good some pattern is. Even this year people discovered more patterns than those 39, it's just those are of some significance chosen by the one who opened the post. Saying they all worth the same is basically the same as saying non of them worth anything. This year it's hard to find the knockout blow, pattern which way ahead of anything else done ever (like syringe or quadratic growth), but you can still find some patterns which shines more than others. I really don't want to express my subjective judgement here, but even one pattern that gets something else than 3 stars would be an input of significance.MathAndCode wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 11:30 amIf wwei47 sees no significant difference between each pattern, giving each pattern three stars is better than attempting to expand the infinitesimal range of opinions to a scale from zero to three.
I agree but some are clearly were done with much more effort than others. Even rough estimation of the effort or slight correlation with effort by how much effort you believe was put into them, is still a meaningful input. Not being able to exactly estimate the effort doesn't mean they all the same. Giving three stars to them all doesn't influence the end result in any way, if you want people to invest more effort, then having them sorted out by estimated effort put into them - would be a meaningful voting even if not completely accurate.
You can also consult an expert like dvgrn to estimate the effort.
There is a difference if you want them clean or messy. For messy and 4 gliders there is R+glider that produces glider producing SE, as of 7 gliders I would take one escaping glider for the second one. This will limit the output positions of course.MathAndCode wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2021, 11:30 amI'm wondering whether you know of any ways to create a pair of two parallel glider-producing switch engines with seven or fewer gliders.
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
Here's the GPSE pair that the seventeen-glider RCT-based universal constructor uses:
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x = 568, y = 591, rule = B3/S23
566bo$566b2o$565bobo21$549b2o$550b2o$549bo39$502bo$502b2o$501bobo21$485b
2o$486b2o$485bo39$438bo$438b2o$437bobo21$421b2o$422b2o$421bo39$374bo$
374b2o$373bobo21$357b2o$358b2o$357bo39$310bo$310b2o$309bobo21$293b2o$
294b2o$293bo38$169bo$162bo5bobo75bo$160b2ob2o81b2o$160b2o3bo2b3o74bob
o$160b2ob2o$161b4o$149b2o$149b2o7$141b2o$141b2o$155b3o$153b2ob4o4b4o$
153bo2b2o4b2obobo$145b2o6b3o9b2o$144bo2bo10bobo3bo$144bo2bo$145bobo$147b
4o$146b2o2bo78b2o$134b2o11b3o80b2o$133bobo12bo12b2o66bo$134bo26b2o$142b
2o5bobo$142b2o5bo$152bo$147bo4b2o$146bo6bo$146bo2b4o5$117b2o$100b2o3b
o11b2o$101bo4bo$105bo$102bobo24bo$103bo24bobo$107bo21b2o12bo$91b2o11b
3obo33bobo$91b2o10b3o2bo34b2o$102b2o2bo$103b2o$104bo$134bo$91b3o39bob
o$90b2ob3o38b2o$86bo$86bo3bo$86bo7b2o$91b2obo$93b2o$94bo6b2o$101b2o$98b
2ob2o$99b2o$93b2o9bo$92bo2bo7b3o27b2o$93b2o8b2obo25bo2bo$105b2o26b2o47b
o$182b2o$136b3o42bobo2$92b2o40bo$94bo39bo$89bo4b2o38bo$88bo3bo5bo$89b
2o7b2o31b2o$98b2o31b2o2$65b2o44bo$64bo2bo42bobo$65b2o44b2o$93b3o$91b2o
b2o$91b2ob2o$91b2o9bo$101bobo$102b2o2$139b2o$72bo66b2o$71bobo91b2o$70b
o2bo92b2o$71b2o92bo4$143b2o$101b2o40b2o$100bo2bo$101b2o2$104b3o2$102b
o126bobo$102bo126bo2bo$102bo126bobo$133b2o79b2o$99b2o32bobo77bobo$99b
2o33b2o77b3o13bo$88b3o121bo2bo11b2obo$33b2o179bo12b2obo$32bo2bo169b2o
7bo12bo3bo$33b2o170b2o20b4o$81bo130bo15b3o$81bo133bo$81bo130bo2bo$70b
o143b3o$69bobo142b3o$70b2o141bo2bo$213bobo$107b2o91b2o11b3o$40bo66b2o
90bob2o$39bobo157bo4bo$38bo2bo157bo8b2o15b2o$39b2o158bo3b2o2bobo15b2o
$206b2obo$201bo5b6o$199b2o7bo4bo$111b2o97bo2bo$69b2o40b2o24b2o47b2o23b
2o$68bo2bo65b2o47bobo14b2o$69b2o116bo15b2o12b2o$217b2o$72b3o70b2o$145b
2o$70bo94bo$70bo94bo$70bo94bo$101b2o23b2o40bo11b2o24b2o$67b2o32bobo22b
obo32b3o3bobo10bobo22bobo$67b2o33b2o23b2o38bobo11bo24bo$56b3o99b2o8bo
$b2o155b2o$o2bo184b2o$b2o185bobo$49bo139bo$49bo$49bo$38bo$37bobo$38b2o
2$75b2o$8bo66b2o$7bobo$6bo2bo183b2o$7b2o184b2o4$79b2o$37b2o40b2o24b2o
47b2o$36bo2bo65b2o47bobo$37b2o116bo2$40b3o70b2o71b2o$113b2o73bo$38bo94b
o33b2o16bobo4bo$38bo94bo33bobo16b2o3bobo$38bo94bo34b3o12b2ob2o2bo$69b
2o23b2o40bo11b2o18b2o14b3o2bo$35b2o32bobo22bobo32b3o3bobo10bobo21b3o10b
o4bo$35b2o33b2o23b2o38bobo11bo22b3o17b2o$24b3o99b2o8bo34bo21bo$126b2o
30b2o11b2o$158b3o11bo2$17bo$17bo133b3o7bo7bo7bo2bo$17bo133b3o7b2o5bob
o3b4o2bo$6bo146bo9bo4bobo4bo4b2o$5bobo142b3o7bo2bo5bo6bo4bo4b2o$6b2o142b
3o23bo3b2o4b2o$125bo33bo18bobo$43b2o80bo33bobo$43b2o80bo34bo2$177b3o5$
47b2o70b3o$5b2o40b2o24b2o$4bo2bo65b2o$5b2o2$8b3o70b2o$81b2o$6bo94bo$6b
o94bo41b2o$6bo94bo40bo2bo$37b2o23b2o40bo11b2o24bobo$3b2o32bobo22bobo32b
3o3bobo10bobo24bo$3b2o33b2o23b2o38bobo11bo$94b2o8bo$94b2o59bo$154bobo
$154bobo$155bo6$93bo$93bo$93bo7$87b3o$41b2o$41b2o3$49b2o$49b2o$69bo$69b
o41b2o$69bo40bo2bo$30b2o40bo11b2o24bobo$30bobo32b3o3bobo10bobo24bo$31b
2o38bobo11bo$62b2o8bo$62b2o59bo$122bobo$122bobo$123bo6$61bo$61bo$61bo
7$55b3o7$37bo$37bo41b2o$37bo40bo2bo$40bo11b2o24bobo$33b3o3bobo10bobo24b
o$39bobo11bo$30b2o8bo$30b2o59bo$90bobo$90bobo$91bo!
Edit: Actually, if the first glider from the GPSE on the southeast arrives before the the first glider from the GPSE on the northwest or after the second glider from the GPSE on the northwest, that might cause a minor hassle, but I'm sure that there would be a way to make it work without having to overhaul the design find an entirely new set of universal operations, so we needn't worry about it.
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We still need to decide on an end date for the voting period. Last year the voting period lasted a little over 3 weeks. To have a similar voting period this year, we would end on March 17, a Wednesday. Is there a preferred day of the week to end on? Last year we ended on a Sunday.
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We still need to decide on an end date for the voting period. Last year the voting period lasted a little over 3 weeks. To have a similar voting period this year, we would end on March 17, a Wednesday. Is there a preferred day of the week to end on? Last year we ended on a Sunday.
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
I was planning to end the voting now but then saw that you voted. Shall the voting end anyway?
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
I think it's a bad idea to end voting without announcing when voting will end well in advance. My suggestion would be one of three options:MathAndCode wrote: ↑March 6th, 2021, 9:13 pmI was planning to end the voting now but then saw that you voted. Shall the voting end anyway?
- End voting a week from today,
- End voting on Pi Day (the 14th),
Or my personal favorite: - End voting on CGoL Day (the 23rd).
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
I'm going with Sokwe's suggestion of ending on March 17th.A for awesome wrote: ↑March 6th, 2021, 10:11 pmI think it's a bad idea to end voting without announcing when voting will end well in advance.
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
only 25 people voted - pitiful turnout...
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
About 25 people votes last year as well.
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Would we be able to know when we know everything there is to know?
How would we know what we don’t know that we don’t know?
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Would we be able to know when we know everything there is to know?
How would we know what we don’t know that we don’t know?
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
I did some quick counts:
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2010 16
2011 19
2015 22
2016 23
2017 20
2018 37
2019 25
Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
hmmm...more candidates than voters - do not know what to make of it...
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Re: PotY 2020 Voting Thread
This is just a reminder that the voting ends in two days (plus or minus a few hours).
I am tentatively considering myself back.