## Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

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### Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Kazyan wrote:
October 27th, 2020, 9:03 pm
The best partials don't result in a specific output at all, but instead apply an unusual arrangement of catalysts to move the reaction somewhere well-separated from them. Then you apply even more catalysts.
Is this good?

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``````x = 13, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
A.2A\$3A6.2A.A\$.A7.A.2A2\$2.2A\$2.2A16\$.3D3.2A\$.D5.A.A\$3D6.A\$9.2A3\$3.2A\$3.A\$4.3A\$6.A!``````
Originally, I figured that I'd delete the blinker and try to get something out of the ∏, so I started looking through the ∏-accepting conduits. I found that the placement of the second fishhook is good for moving a ∏ a distance off from PF*56W, but leaving the blinker turns out to work even better.
Before I remembered your post, I managed to get an I output that might eventually be useful if the Life community keeps finding more I-accepting conduits.

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``````x = 41, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
24.A.2A\$24.3A6.2A.A\$25.A7.A.2A2\$26.2A\$26.2A11\$7.2D\$8.D\$8.2D\$9.2D2\$5.2A18.3D3.2A\$6.A18.D5.A.A\$3.3A18.3D6.A\$3.A29.2A3\$27.2A\$27.A\$28.3A\$30.A!``````
I expect that this reaction will result in at least three conduits with usable outputs if it receives enough person-minutes of attention from experienced conduit-makers.

Edit: Is there a suitable domino sparker and a way to use the ∏?

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``````x = 24, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
11.A.2A\$11.3A6.2A.A\$12.A7.A.2A2\$13.2A\$13.2A11\$3D\$D.D\$D.D3\$12.3D3.2A\$12.D5.A.A\$11.3D6.A\$20.2A3\$14.2A\$14.A\$15.3A\$17.A!
#C [[ PASTET 116 PASTE C\$C! -1 23 ]]``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Yes, this is the kind of chaos-over-there behavior I referred to and like to see. Will update this post if I find any new conduits with it.
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Kazyan wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 12:29 pm
Yes, this is the kind of chaos-over-there behavior I referred to and like to see. Will update this post if I find any new conduits with it.
Thank you. I had a feeling that dependent conduits that first interact with the Herschel after the Herschel bottleneck were under-investigated. I'll keep looking for more.

Edit: This doesn't look as promising, but it's possible that someone can find another catalysis that makes the region keep moving to the left for longer.

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``````x = 14, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory
10.A\$10.A2.A\$A.2A6.3A\$2A.A2\$9.2A\$9.2A16\$9.3D\$11.D\$10.3D6\$11.2A\$11.2A!``````

Another edit: This looks even better except for that annoying blinker.

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``````x = 17, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.A\$3.2A2\$9.A\$7.3A\$.A6.A\$A.A\$.A8\$8.D.2D\$8.3D\$9.D6\$7.3D\$9.D4.2A\$7.4D3.2A\$2A\$2A4\$3.2A8.2A\$4.A8.A.A\$.3A11.A\$.A13.2A!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

MathAndCode wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 2:53 pm
Another edit: This looks even better except for that annoying blinker.

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``````x = 17, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.A\$3.2A2\$9.A\$7.3A\$.A6.A\$A.A\$.A8\$8.D.2D\$8.3D\$9.D6\$7.3D\$9.D4.2A\$7.4D3.2A\$2A\$2A4\$3.2A8.2A\$4.A8.A.A\$.3A11.A\$.A13.2A!``````
That's a neat one! Adding an eater gives what would I would have to imagine would be the highest-clearance pi inserter known if the blinker could miraculously be removed:

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``````x = 44, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.AB\$3.2AB\$5.6B14.2B\$5.4BC2B2.6B4.4B.2B\$4.3B3C23B.6B.2B\$.AB
.4BC31B3D\$A.A39BDB\$.A2B.35B3DB\$2.B.39B\$3.38B\$2.33B.4B\$.21B3.5B.2B3.4B
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3A4.3B4.A\$.A13.2A!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

A for awesome wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:12 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 2:53 pm
Another edit: This looks even better except for that annoying blinker.

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``````x = 17, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.A\$3.2A2\$9.A\$7.3A\$.A6.A\$A.A\$.A8\$8.D.2D\$8.3D\$9.D6\$7.3D\$9.D4.2A\$7.4D3.2A\$2A\$2A4\$3.2A8.2A\$4.A8.A.A\$.3A11.A\$.A13.2A!``````
That's a neat one! Adding an eater gives what would I would have to imagine would be the highest-clearance pi inserter known if the blinker could miraculously be removed:

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``````x = 44, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.AB\$3.2AB\$5.6B14.2B\$5.4BC2B2.6B4.4B.2B\$4.3B3C23B.6B.2B\$.AB
.4BC31B3D\$A.A39BDB\$.A2B.35B3DB\$2.B.39B\$3.38B\$2.33B.4B\$.21B3.5B.2B3.4B
\$4B2.16B4.4B7.2B\$3B3.15B3.5B\$2B2.9B.3B7.2A\$B3.4BDB2D2B11.A\$3.5B3D2B9.
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3A4.3B4.A\$.A13.2A!``````
That ∏ does have pretty good clearance, although it doesn't work with PF*39C.
Also, as Kazyan's post that I quoted states, the most promising part is that it shoots chaos a long way off, not that a ∏ appears at the end. For example, here's a B→R if someone replaces the fishhooks.

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``````x = 42, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.A29.A\$3.2A27.3A\$31.A\$9.A21.2A\$7.3A\$.A6.A\$A.A\$.A2\$35.2A\$35.A.A\$37.A\$37.2A3\$8.D.2D\$8.3D\$9.D5\$34.2A\$7.3D24.A.A\$9.D4.2A20.A\$7.4D3.2A20.2A\$2A\$2A4\$3.2A8.2A\$4.A8.A.A9.D\$.3A11.A9.2D\$.A13.2A7.2D\$40.2A\$40.2A3\$29.A\$28.A.A\$28.2A\$37.2A\$37.A\$38.A\$37.2A!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

A for awesome wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 6:12 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 2:53 pm
Another edit: This looks even better except for that annoying blinker.

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``````x = 17, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.A\$3.2A2\$9.A\$7.3A\$.A6.A\$A.A\$.A8\$8.D.2D\$8.3D\$9.D6\$7.3D\$9.D4.2A\$7.4D3.2A\$2A\$2A4\$3.2A8.2A\$4.A8.A.A\$.3A11.A\$.A13.2A!``````
That's a neat one! Adding an eater gives what would I would have to imagine would be the highest-clearance pi inserter known if the blinker could miraculously be removed
Excellent! Here's a solution, but it seems somewhat non-miraculous:

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``````x = 79, y = 128, rule = LifeHistory
36.2A\$37.A\$37.A.AB\$38.2AB\$40.6B14.2B\$40.4BC2B2.6B4.4B.2B5.B\$39.3B3C
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29.2A.A.A.A.A2.A\$29.A2.A2.2A.4A\$31.2A4.A\$37.A.A\$38.2A!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

calcyman wrote:
November 15th, 2020, 7:41 pm
Excellent! Here's a solution, but it seems somewhat non-miraculous:
There are some aspects that might be improvable, e.g. using a different Herschel conduit that doesn't require a bandersnatch before the syringe, but I suspect that the only way to get the repeat time under 300 ticks is to find a different catalyst that leaves another object that annihilates the blinker.

By the way, have you seen my first proposal for 16-glider universal construction? I'm not sure whether or not there's enough clearance for all of the necessary universal operations.

Edit: I found a periodic solution.

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``````x = 17, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
.2A\$2.A\$2.A.A\$3.2A2\$9.A\$7.3A\$.A6.A\$A.A\$.A8\$8.D.2D\$8.3D\$9.D6\$7.3D\$9.D4.2A\$7.4D3.2A\$2A\$2A4\$3.2A8.2A\$4.A8.A.A\$.3A11.A\$.A13.2A\$10.A\$10.A\$8.A.2A\$7.2A\$11.A\$10.2A\$11.2A\$10.3A!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

About that fishhook placement in PF*56W (and other ∏-accepting conduits), placing a block causes the chaos to go even farther.

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``````x = 27, y = 25, rule = DoubleB3S23
2A\$2A18\$14.3C\$14.C.C\$14.C.C6.2C\$23.C.C\$25.C\$25.2C!``````

Edit: Shooting a glider at the back of a ∏ makes the ∏ much more active. Can the glider be replaced by a catalyst?

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``````x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
12b3o\$14bo\$12b3o10\$bo\$b2o\$obo!``````
By the way, how common is that region that makes a bi-block and two phi sparks? It probably isn't very uncommon since is occurred twice with spatial and temporal proximity.

Another edit: Here is a simple way to create long-lasting chaos from a two-glider octomino.

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``````x = 7, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
5bo\$5b2o\$3b3o\$3b2o4\$2b2o\$3bo\$3o\$o!``````

Yet another edit: Here is another example of the active region that creates a bi-block and two phi sparks by itself.

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``````x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
b2o\$b2o4\$7b2o\$3o4b2o\$obo\$obo!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Can someone please take a look at this?

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``````x = 19, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
9b2o\$9bobo\$11bo\$2b2o6b3o4b2o\$2b2o13b2o4\$16b2o\$16b2o\$2o\$2o!
``````
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``````x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo\$2bo\$bobo2\$3o!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Hunting wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 12:39 am
Can someone please take a look at this?

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``````x = 19, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
9b2o\$9bobo\$11bo\$2b2o6b3o4b2o\$2b2o13b2o4\$16b2o\$16b2o\$2o\$2o!
``````
Is there anything known that can edgeshoot the input object, to connect to this partial conduit?

I still think that there would be a lot more progress made on inventing conduits, and a lot less time wasted, if people would start their explorations with a known conduit that produces an output. If you just start with some active reaction floating magically in empty space, there's no guarantee that there's any way to get the active reaction to that location, and you don't know where you can and can't safely place catalysts.

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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Here is another way to edgeshoot chaos that I found. I'm not sure how realistic getting the ∏ in would be because the access path is wider than PF*39C, but the path is at a diagonal, and the ∏ is a little farther in.

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``````x = 20, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
8b3o\$8bobo\$8bobo5b2o\$16bobo\$18bo\$18b2o6\$2b2o\$3bo\$3o\$o!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

dvgrn wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 8:36 am
I still think that there would be a lot more progress made on inventing conduits, and a lot less time wasted, if people would start their explorations with a known conduit that produces an output.
MathAndCode wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 3:56 pm
Here is another way to edgeshoot chaos that I found. I'm not sure how realistic getting the ∏ in would be because the access path is wider than PF*39C, but the path is at a diagonal, and the ∏ is a little farther in.

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``````x = 20, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
8b3o\$8bobo\$8bobo5b2o\$16bobo\$18bo\$18b2o6\$2b2o\$3bo\$3o\$o!``````
Arrgh. If I had a nickel for every pi-to-X that somebody posted that turned out not to connect to anything, I'd have... uh, several nickels.

Pi-heptominoes are troublemakers -- they seem like they ought to be easy to connect, but there are surprisingly few conduits that can edge-shoot them with any kind of decent clearance. Unless you're willing to build the pi out of a couple of synchronized gliders, anyway, but that usually pretty much cancels out any potential usefulness for the candidate conduit.

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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

dvgrn wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 4:57 pm
Arrgh. If I had a nickel for every pi-to-X that somebody posted that turned out not to connect to anything, I'd have... uh, several nickels.

Pi-heptominoes are troublemakers -- they seem like they ought to be easy to connect, but there are surprisingly few conduits that can edge-shoot them with any kind of decent clearance. Unless you're willing to build the pi out of a couple of synchronized gliders, anyway, but that usually pretty much cancels out any potential usefulness for the candidate conduit.
I managed to make a periodic version that connects to the previous ∏-making conduit that I found.

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``````x = 51, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
28.2A\$.2A26.A\$2.A26.A.A\$2.A.AB24.2A\$3.2AB\$5.6B14.2B\$5.4BC2B2.6B4.4B.2B\$4.3B3C23B.6B.2B\$.AB.4BC34B\$A.A41B\$.A2B.39B\$2.B.39B\$3.38B\$2.33B.4B\$.21B3.5B.2B3.4B\$4B2.16B4.4B7.2B\$3B3.15B3.5B12.A\$2B2.9B.3B7.2A15.A\$B3.4BDB2D2B11.A14.3A\$3.5B3D2B9.3A\$3.6BD2B10.A17.3A\$3.10B\$3.9B24.2A2.3A2.2A\$2.11B23.A.A2.A2.A.A\$3.10B24.A7.A3.2A\$3.9B36.A.A\$4.3B3D2B.2B22.A7.A2.A\$4.5BD4B2A20.A.A2.A2.A.A.A\$.B2.3B4D3B2A20.2A2.3A2.2A.2A\$2AB.8B.2B\$2A11B27.3A\$.B.10B\$5.7B28.3A\$3.4B3D3B28.A\$3.2A2.6B2A26.A\$4.A3.5BA.A\$.3A4.3B4.A\$.A13.2A\$10.A\$10.A\$8.A.2A\$7.2A\$11.A\$10.2A\$11.2A\$10.3A!``````
In my opinion, this might be salvageable as the beginning of a stable conduit (although that wouldn't be very useful unless someone finds a stable way of dealing with the blinker from the ∏-making conduit that A for awesome and I found) for multiple reasons. First of all, using only one fishhook still produces some directional chaos. The problem is that one of the directions that the chaos expands in takes it too close to the fishhook. The second fishhook prevents the first fishhook from being destroyed, but there are probably other ways to prevent the first fishhook from being destroyed and maintain directional chaos that have more input clearance.

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``````x = 12, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
3o\$obo\$obo5b2o\$8bobo\$10bo\$10b2o!``````
Also, if one adds an extra fishhook, the reaction still works.

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``````x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
18b2o\$18bo\$16bobo\$16b2o2\$8b3o\$8bobo\$8bobo5b2o\$16bobo\$18bo\$18b2o6\$2b2o\$3bo\$3o\$o!``````
This isn't encouraging in and of itself, but when the bottom fishhook is removed, the effect on the ∏ is mostly the same; we just get an unwanted wing sequence which quickly (albeit only briefly) detaches from the rest of the chaos.

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``````x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
18b2o\$18bo\$16bobo\$16b2o2\$8b3o\$8bobo\$8bobo9\$2b2o\$3bo\$3o\$o!``````
This suggests that there may be a way to accomplish our goal by modifying the above reaction, either by replacing the fishhook with another catalyst that does a slightly different catalysis, adding another catalyst, or by adding a bait object that we will then try to restore. Supporting the possibility of the second idea, there are at least two ways to make the top fishhook work with a spark.

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``````x = 20, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A\$18.A\$16.A.A\$16.2A2\$8.3A\$8.A.A\$8.A.A9\$2.2A\$3.A\$3A\$A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY PASTET 12 PASTE C! 16 6 ]]``````

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``````x = 20, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A\$18.A\$16.A.A\$16.2A2\$8.3A\$8.A.A\$8.A.A9\$2.2A\$3.A\$3A\$A!
#C [[ PASTEMODE COPY PASTET 16 PASTE C! 16 8 ]]``````
A way to add another catalyst slightly farther back that successfully suppressed the wing sequence would allow this to follow the ∏-making conduit that I mentioned earlier.

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``````x = 48, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
28.2A\$.2A26.A\$2.A26.A.A\$2.A.AB24.2A\$3.2AB\$5.6B14.2B\$5.4BC2B2.6B4.4B.2B\$4.3B3C23B.6B.2B\$.AB.4BC34B\$A.A41B\$.A2B.39B\$2.B.39B\$3.38B\$2.33B.4B\$.21B3.5B.2B3.4B\$4B2.16B4.4B7.2B\$3B3.15B3.5B15.2A\$2B2.9B.3B7.2A14.2A2.A\$B3.4BDB2D2B11.A15.A3.3A\$3.5B3D2B9.3A13.3A6.A\$3.6BD2B10.A15.A\$3.10B\$3.9B\$2.11B\$3.10B\$3.9B\$4.3B3D2B.2B\$4.5BD4B2A\$.B2.3B4D3B2A\$2AB.8B.2B\$2A11B\$.B.10B\$5.7B\$3.4B3D3B\$3.2A2.6B2A\$4.A3.5BA.A\$.3A4.3B4.A\$.A13.2A\$10.A\$10.A\$8.A.2A\$7.2A\$11.A\$10.2A\$11.2A\$10.3A!``````
By the way, is that ∏ seen facing upwards at generation 235 extractable? I think that it's extractable. A signal from the fishhooks would have had to travel 16 rows in 19 generations in order to reach the bottom of the newly-formed ∏ (and 16 rows in 18 generations in order to reach the bottom of the ∏'s hexaplet parent), which is nearly the speed of light, and I think that that means that the ∏ is extractable. (The Elementary Conduits Collection only has two ∏→∏ conduits, and neither has a step time of 31.)
Speaking of only having two ∏→∏ conduits, how do we not have a PF30 conduit (extracting the ∏ that already forms in the ∏-heptomino's evolution 30 generations later and 9 cells ahead)?
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

MathAndCode wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 6:04 pm
Speaking of only having two ∏→∏ conduits, how do we not have a PF30 conduit (extracting the ∏ that already forms in the ∏-heptomino's evolution 30 generations later and 9 cells ahead)?
Merely misguided expectations that it should be chainable like the P15 version:

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``````x = 37, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
17.3D\$17.D.D\$17.D.D\$5.2A23.2A\$6.A23.A\$6.A.A19.A.A\$2A5.2A19.2A5.2A\$.A
33.A\$.A.A29.A.A\$2.2A13.3C13.2A\$6.2A9.C.C9.2A\$5.A.A9.C.C9.A.A\$5.2A23.
2A!
``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Extrementhusiast wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 9:40 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 6:04 pm
How do we not have a PF30 conduit (extracting the ∏ that already forms in the ∏-heptomino's evolution 30 generations later and 9 cells ahead)?
Merely misguided expectations that it should be chainable like the P15 version:
I agree that it shouldn't have to connect to itself, but its output doesn't seem to connect to anything else either. Can you provide an example demonstrating connectibility?
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

dvgrn wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 8:36 am
Is there anything known that can edgeshoot the input object, to connect to this partial conduit?
Eater + spark is enough:

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``````x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o\$obo\$2bo\$2b2o\$o!
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

MathAndCode wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 6:04 pm
Speaking of only having two ∏→∏ conduits, how do we not have a PF30 conduit (extracting the ∏ that already forms in the ∏-heptomino's evolution 30 generations later and 9 cells ahead)?
Well, there is this thing:

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``````#C pi-heptomino conduits: Dean Hickerson, 17 February 1997
#C Herschel-to-pi stage by Paul Callahan (part of Fx176)
x = 151, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
124bo3bo\$123boo3boo6\$104boo6boo25boo6boo\$103bobbo4bobbo23bobbo4bobbo\$
102b6obb6o21b6obb6o\$103bobbo4bobbo23bobbo4bobbo\$104boo6boo25boo6boo6\$
107b4o\$106b6o\$105b8o\$104boo6boo\$105b8o\$35bo17bo17bo17bo16b6o\$34bobo15b
obo15bobo15bobo16b4o\$135b3o\$134bo3bo\$34b3o15b3o15b3o15b3o43bo3bo\$34b3o
15b3o15b3o15b3o44b3o\$35bo17bo17bo17bo\$95boo\$95boo\$35bo17bo17bo17bo\$34b
3o15b3o15b3o15b3o44b3o\$34b3o15b3o15b3o15b3o43bo3bo\$134bo3bo\$135b3o\$34b
obo15bobo15bobo15bobo\$11boo8boo12bo17bo17bo17bo\$12bo8boo\$12bobo\$13boo
\$\$126boo\$7boo117boo\$8bo\$8bobo\$9boo\$\$116bobboboobobbo\$116b4oboob4o\$116b
obboboobobbo3\$9bo\$9bobo\$9b3o\$11bo\$\$21boo\$21boobboo8bo17bo17bo17bo\$25bo
bo6bobo15bobo15bobo15bobo17boo\$bboo23bo80boo\$3bo23boo\$3o31b3o15b3o15b
3o15b3o\$o33b3o15b3o15b3o15b3o\$35bo17bo17bo17bo3\$35bo17bo17bo17bo\$34b3o
15b3o15b3o15b3o\$34b3o15b3o15b3o15b3o3\$34bobo15bobo15bobo15bobo\$35bo17b
o17bo17bo!
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Extrementhusiast wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 9:40 pm
MathAndCode wrote:
November 17th, 2020, 6:04 pm
Speaking of only having two ∏→∏ conduits, how do we not have a PF30 conduit (extracting the ∏ that already forms in the ∏-heptomino's evolution 30 generations later and 9 cells ahead)?
Merely misguided expectations that it should be chainable like the P15 version:

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``````x = 37, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
17.3D\$17.D.D\$17.D.D\$5.2A23.2A\$6.A23.A\$6.A.A19.A.A\$2A5.2A19.2A5.2A\$.A
33.A\$.A.A29.A.A\$2.2A13.3C13.2A\$6.2A9.C.C9.2A\$5.A.A9.C.C9.A.A\$5.2A23.
2A!
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There are some other attempts besides that one made by Kazyan.
Scorbie wrote:
May 5th, 2015, 2:03 am
Not too useful pi-pi

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``````x = 18, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
16b2o\$16bo\$14bobo\$14b2o3\$4b2o\$4b2o2\$2o\$2o4\$3b2o2b2o\$3b2o2bobo\$7bo5\$4b
2o\$5bo\$2b3o\$2bo!``````
2718281828 wrote:
November 30th, 2018, 7:45 pm
stable pi to pi on the pi-wave track, likely known and not very pleasant in the spacing, esp they can not be attached to each other:

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``````x = 29, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
14.D\$13.DBD\$12.2DB2D\$12.5B\$4.2A6.5B6.2A\$3.A.A4.9B4.A.A\$3.A5.11B5.A\$2A
.2A3.13B3.2A.2A\$2A.A.B.15B.B.A.2A\$3.A.9BC9B.A\$3.2A.7BCBC7B.2A\$5.7B2CB
2C7B\$3.2A9B.9B2A\$3.A2.B.5B3.5B.B2.A\$2A.A2.A2.4B3.4B2.A2.A.2A\$A.A.3A3.
2B5.2B3.3A.A.A\$3.A21.A\$4.A19.A\$3.2A19.2A!``````
Note how they differ from the working p15 pi-to-pi conduit in length of a single unit. I may call that PF60 instead of PF30, as the pi-pentadecathlon interaction leaves some junk behind the pi at generation 30 that supports the pi to go further.
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 6:16 am
Eater + spark is enough:

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``````x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o\$obo\$2bo\$2b2o\$o!
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It only requires seven cells.

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``````x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3o\$3b2o\$3b2o!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

MathAndCode wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 10:39 am
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
November 18th, 2020, 6:16 am
Eater + spark is enough:

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``````x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
2o\$obo\$2bo\$2b2o\$o!
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It only requires seven cells.

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``````x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3o\$3b2o\$3b2o!``````
We are not talking about the smallest predecessor, but how can it be outputted.
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``````x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo\$2bo\$bobo2\$3o!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Hunting wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:32 am
We are not talking about the smallest predecessor, but how can it be outputted.
But the more small predecessors an object has, the more likely it is to form.
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

MathAndCode wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:55 am
Hunting wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:32 am
We are not talking about the smallest predecessor, but how can it be outputted.
But the more small predecessors an object has, the more likely it is to form.
I'm not so sure about that. Clock is very small, but...
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``````x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2n3/S23-q
2bo\$2bo\$bobo2\$3o!``````
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

Hunting wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 2:00 am
MathAndCode wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:55 am
Hunting wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:32 am
We are not talking about the smallest predecessor, but how can it be outputted.
But the more small predecessors an object has, the more likely it is to form.
I'm not so sure about that. Clock is very small, but...
Clock's predecessors are all larger than it, and clock itself is very fragile.
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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

bubblegum wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:01 pm
Clock's predecessors are all larger than it
Clock is a clock predecessor

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``````x = 59, y = 12, rule = B2i3-kq4j/S2-i3
.2A7.2A35.2A7.2A\$3A7.3A15.3A15.3A7.3A\$.2A7.2A15.A3.A15.2A7.2A\$26.A5.A
\$26.A5.A\$26.3A.3A2\$26.3A.3A\$26.A5.A\$26.A5.A\$27.A3.A\$28.3A!
``````

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### Re: Thread for your chaos-edgeshooting reactions that can probably yield new conduits

EvinZL wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 9:36 pm
bubblegum wrote:
November 19th, 2020, 1:01 pm
Clock's predecessors are all larger than it
Clock is a clock predecessor
except clock
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