19-bit still life syntheses

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » October 22nd, 2019, 12:13 pm

That's going to clear up a lot in Catagolue. Nice job!

A induction coil that stumped our automation:

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x = 55, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
bobo39bo$2b2o38bo$2bo39b3o7bo$50b2o$51b2o$26bobo$26b2o$27bo5bo$31b2o$
32b2o$38bobo11bobo$38b2o12b2o$39bo13bo4$52bobo$42bo9b2o$40b2o11bo$41b
2o4$24bo$14bo10bo$15bo7b3o$13b3o$25bo$24b2o$10bobo11bobo$11b2o6b2o$11b
o6bo2bo$18b3obo$8b3o10b2o$2b3o5bo7b2o$4bo4bo8bo$3bo15bo$18b2o13$39b3o$
39bo$40bo9$b2o$obo$2bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by AGreason » October 22nd, 2019, 8:41 pm

A search including new components solved 34, down to 607 unsynthed.

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » October 23rd, 2019, 6:36 am

An 8G snake to hook-with-tail component that will solve quite a few 19 bit still lifes.

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x = 26, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
bo4bo$2bo4bo16bo$3o2b3o15bo$18bo4b3o$16b2o$17b2o$3bo5bo$4bo4bobo$2b3o
4b2o3$21bo$21bobo$12b2o7b2o$12bo$13bo4b3o$12b2o4bo$19bo!
e.g.:

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x = 126, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
bo4bo94bo4bo$2bo4bo16bo77bo4bo16bo$3o2b3o15bo27bo4bo43b3o2b3o15bo$18bo
4b3o26bo4bo16bo43bo4b3o$16b2o32b3o2b3o15bo42b2o$17b2o49bo4b3o41b2o$3bo
5bo56b2o35bo5bo$4bo4bobo55b2o35bo4bobo$2b3o4b2o42bo5bo42b3o4b2o$54bo4b
obo$52b3o4b2o$21bo99bo$21bobo97bobo$12b2o7b2o48bo40b2o7b2o$12bo58bobo
34bo3bo$9bo3bo4b3o41b2o7b2o34bobo3bo4b3o$9b4obo3bo43bo44bobo2b2o4bo$
13bo5bo39bo3bo4b3o37b2obo7bo$11b2o46b4obo3bo42bo$11bo50bobo4bo41b2o$
12bo48bo2b2o$11b2o48b2o!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Extrementhusiast » October 23rd, 2019, 10:27 pm

A list of low-hanging fruit, ordered by number of soups:

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xs19_bq1mkicz0121       757
xs19_4a96kk8z03543      725
xs19_3lkiak8z1243       714
xs19_ca2bp2sgzx23       689
xs19_0mkidicz1243       620
xs19_8kihu066z066       613
xs19_g89n8brz0121       589
xs19_0j5cik8z3453       569
xs19_3pc0cczw123146     539
xs19_8kidik8gzx3421     525
xs19_8kihu0o8zx6221     521
xs19_4a9e0o4czw6511     512
xs19_g8421308oz01178421 503
xs19_31e8g0g8e13zy0121  481
xs19_31eo0oe13zx121     463
xs19_ol303lozw343       457
xs19_8o6952z23cic       379
xs19_cimge9jzx121       304
xs19_g8kid2koz01246     304
xs19_062s53z35871       280
xs19_4a9j0j9a4zx121     251
xs19_660uhik8zx66       251
xs19_4a9e0drzx311       236
xs19_3jgf9a4z1221       227
xs19_696o6hrzw23        194
xs19_ok2t2kozw343       165
xs19_c9jcj9czw121       163
xs19_cq1raicz23         160
xs19_gs2t2sgzw343       146
xs19_69jqik8zw66        142
xs19_354mik8z6511       122
xs19_8o696z23cia4        97
xs19_08u156z320f9        84
xs19_8o0e9jzc9611        61
xs19_3pm44r9a4           59
xs19_0o44m96z1169c       51
xs19_gbhmkk8z1226        43
xs19_cahm4koz643         41
xs19_oi6o696z6221        41
xs19_0bt0djoz321         40
xs19_6a8ad1e8z033        40
xs19_8o6hraa4z23         40
xs19_4ap3qp3z32          39
xs19_3lk6ik8zw343        37
xs19_0cai3s4z25521       35
xs19_64kjaicz0343        33
xs19_cq1ra96z23          33
xs19_0j9cz320f952        32
xs19_c4jq2koz0643        32
xs19_641j4cz6a871        30
xs19_3p688gz35871        29
xs19_64kjaicz0643        27
xs19_9f0rb8ozx121        27
xs19_1no31eozx311        26
xs19_255q4oz69611        24
xs19_2596kicz3113        24
xs19_3pe0ogkczx56        23
xs19_696o6iozw343        21
xs19_696o8zw6bge2        20
xs19_ca9e0mqz33          20
xs19_69ar1qczx121        19
xs19_2l2c8a6z3453        18
xs19_0mkidioz1243        17
xs19_4s0796z11696        17
xs19_ciqjk4ozx641        17
xs19_8kiajkczw343        16
xs19_8kihlm853zx1        16
xs19_03p688gz259611      15
xs19_0cq1ra96z32         15
xs19_354qik8z2552        15
xs19_8kkb9aczx352        15
xs19_c4jq2sgzx343        15
xs19_8kkjhke13zx1        14
xs19_ca9e0dbz33          13
xs19_0cq1raicz32         12
xs19_255q88r9a4          12
xs19_255q88ria4          12
xs19_3pe0okk8zx56        12
xs19_64k6picz0343        11
xs19_64pbi2sgzx23        11
xs19_03iajkcz2543        10
xs19_4aabaa4z3213        10
xs19_696o8zw2fga6        10
xs19_8ehab9czw123        10
xs19_0g8objozpi6          9
xs19_3lkaicz3452          9
xs19_64pbaik8zx23         9
xs19_69aj2arzx121         9
xs19_8k970siczw113        9
xs19_ckjhkm96zx1          9
xs19_c4jq2kozx343         8
xs19_ca2bq2sgzx23         8
xs19_0ck3qiczc93          7
xs19_2egm9icz0643         7
xs19_2lm88gz320f9         7
xs19_35s25a8czx113        7
xs19_695mggkczw641        7
xs19_j96kiczc93           7
xs19_mp30fpzw311          7
xs19_062s53z17853         6
xs19_062s53z17871         6
xs19_08o69a4zca346        6
xs19_0jiqj4cz346          6
xs19_2egm9iczx346         6
xs19_4aaba9jzx311         6
xs19_8kk6picz643          6
xs19_cidi4djozw1          6
xs19_0o4q9jz178c1         5
xs19_32qj8r9a4            5
xs19_35s1ra96zx1          5
xs19_4a9baa4z3213         5
xs19_4a9f0kczxbd          5
xs19_64km9icz0643         5
xs19_6a8p7ojd             5
xs19_c88ria4z39c          5
xs19_gs2qb4kozx32         5
xs19_o86p3zw17853         5
xs19_0g886p3z230f9        4
xs19_0gs2qj4cz1243        4
xs19_4s3iab8ozw121        4
xs19_64km9icz0343         4
xs19_69lmge2z321          4
xs19_8k9baik8zw113        4
xs19_8k9baik8zw123        4
xs19_amge1eozx311         4
xs19_amge9a4z6421         4
xs19_ca2bq2kozx23         4
xs19_caajkcz39c           4
xs19_035s26z35871         3
xs19_0oe1e8gz4a4311       3
xs19_35s2kozx12453        3
xs19_4acg7piczw23         3
xs19_4aq4lb8ozw121        3
xs19_8k9b8brzw23          3
xs19_c89ngs26zw32         3
xs19_cidhe0mqzw1          3
xs19_cikm0drzx121         3
xs19_ck3qiczdb            3
xs19_kc3qik8z1252         3
xs19_ok2t2koz0343         3
xs19_wck3qicz6413         3
xs19_08o696z2eha6         2
xs19_0ciabq23z321         2
xs19_0g8ob96z12ego        2
xs19_0j9cz129d552         2
xs19_0mkhjkcz1226         2
xs19_0o8b94oz4a4311       2
xs19_31km9icz0343         2
xs19_32qjaq453            2
xs19_3pa4ozw17871         2
xs19_3pe0ok8z4a43         2
xs19_3pm0ehla4            2
xs19_4s39e0dbz11          2
xs19_642tik8z2552         2
xs19_8k4r2pb8ozw1         2
xs19_8kkm9iczx346         2
xs19_c88r9a4z39c          2
xs19_ca1ug8oz39c          2
xs19_ciajk4ozw4701        2
xs19_ckjhkm93zx1          2
xs19_gbhmki6z121w1        2
xs19_gs2ar9a4zw32         2
xs19_gs2pb8ozw346         2
xs19_gs2t2koz0343         2
xs19_gs2t2kozw343         2
xs19_jhe8gkcz1243         2
xs19_o86164koz01248c      2
xs19_ojhke13z66           2
xs19_04s0796z65123        1
xs19_08o696zojc23         1
xs19_0c9jz25962ac         1
xs19_0ciabp46z321         1
xs19_0g886p3z320f9        1
xs19_0g8objoz1qm          1
xs19_0i5dicz1259c         1
xs19_0j9c0s4zc9611        1
xs19_0kc0cp3zc9611        1
xs19_0kc0v9zc9521         1
xs19_0kc3pczc9521         1
xs19_0mkhjkcz1246         1
xs19_0o44m93z1169c        1
xs19_0o4kmk13z643w1       1
xs19_0ok4r9a4z6421        1
xs19_0rd0uiz4a43          1
xs19_2egdb88czx123        1
xs19_32qbaik8zx23         1
xs19_32qj8r54c            1
xs19_32qj9q453            1
xs19_32qk0oi6zx343        1
xs19_354q4oz69611         1
xs19_3586kicz3113         1
xs19_39eg8oz06a96         1
xs19_39s0ckgozw1226       1
xs19_39s0s4gozw1243       1
xs19_3p6426z11696         1
xs19_3pc0ckz643121        1
xs19_4a96kicz3213         1
xs19_4a9m4koz039c         1
xs19_4a9r2qkz321          1
xs19_4aab9a4z3213         1
xs19_4aaba9jzx321         1
xs19_4aabkk8z3213         1
xs19_4ap5q8a6z023         1
xs19_6246p3zx11696        1
xs19_69m88gzmq221         1
xs19_69ngbdzw65           1
xs19_8kimgdbzx65          1
xs19_8kiqjkczw4a4         1
xs19_8kk312kozw34a4       1
xs19_8u1j4cz34611         1
xs19_c4o796z6ip           1
xs19_c9b4k8zbd11          1
xs19_ca1bq2sgzx23         1
xs19_ca2jap3z311          1
xs19_caajkczbd            1
xs19_cahe8gzbdw11         1
xs19_ci9m4kozx343         1
xs19_cikmhbgzx641         1
xs19_cip68oz4a611         1
xs19_ckgf9a4z6421         1
xs19_g0bq9b4koz11         1
xs19_g4cjaicz11074        1
xs19_g8ehjoz116a4         1
xs19_g8ehjozc952          1
xs19_g8jd4koz1248c        1
xs19_ggcid2koz0346        1
xs19_gs29egozw39c         1
xs19_j5cikoz1156          1
xs19_o80g6piczwdb         1
xs19_oe1u8zw1221e8        1
xs19_pf0kczw11696         1
xs19_w31km93zca23         1
xs19_w31km96zca23         1
(Some of these may have already been solved by other means.)
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » October 23rd, 2019, 11:23 pm

This should take out most of the targets with a two-tails motif:

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x = 90, y = 92, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o79bo$82bobo2bo$82b2o3bobo$87b2o6$23bobo$24b2o$24bo6$70bobo$
70b2o$71bo2$41bo$39bobo5b2o$40b2o4b2o$48bo$40bo$40b2o$39bobo10$45bo$
46b2o$45b2o2$39bo$37b3o$36bo$36b2o$38bo$36b2obo19bo$23b3o9bo2bo18b2o$
25bo10b2o20b2o$24bo29bo$53b2o$53bobo7$65b3o$65bo$66bo$70bo$69b2o$69bob
o10$82b2o$81b2o$83bo9$78b2o$77b2o$79bo$84b2o$83b2o$85bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by wildmyron » October 24th, 2019, 12:29 am

Extrementhusiast wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 10:27 pm
A list of low-hanging fruit, ordered by number of soups:

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<snip>
Hopefully some of those include some soups with components that could be useful for other unsolved xs19s, but all the soups for xs19_8o0e9jzc9611 (picked at random from the middle of the list) produce the SL in a single flourish. Here it is in 10G

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x = 83, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
80bobo$80b2o$50bo30bo$50bobo$50b2o$47bo$45bobo$46b2o2$50bo$16bo34b2o
13bo$15bobo32b2o13bobo$14bo2bo28b2o16bo2bo$15b2o30b2o16b2o$12bo33bo15b
o$11bobo6b2o39bobo6b2o$10bo2bo5bo2bo37bo2bo5bo2bo$11b2o7b2o29bo9b2o7b
2o$b2o2b3o43bo$obo2bo10bo34bo14bo$2bo3bo8bobo47bobo$15bobo47bobo$16bo
49bo!
Edit: And the most frequent one, xs19_bq1mkicz0121, also in 10G (4G for the pond + blinker)

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x = 36, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
11b2o$10bo2bo11b3o$10bo2bo$11b2o2$28b2o$27bobo$29bo2$30b2o$23b2o5bobo$
22b2o6bo$24bo2$34b2o$33b2o$29bo5bo$29b2o$28bobo18$bo$b2o$obo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » October 24th, 2019, 6:09 am

Kazyan wrote:
October 23rd, 2019, 11:23 pm
This should take out most of the targets with a two-tails motif:

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x = 90, y = 92, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o79bo$82bobo2bo$82b2o3bobo$87b2o6$23bobo$24b2o$24bo6$70bobo$
70b2o$71bo2$41bo$39bobo5b2o$40b2o4b2o$48bo$40bo$40b2o$39bobo10$45bo$
46b2o$45b2o2$39bo$37b3o$36bo$36b2o$38bo$36b2obo19bo$23b3o9bo2bo18b2o$
25bo10b2o20b2o$24bo29bo$53b2o$53bobo7$65b3o$65bo$66bo$70bo$69b2o$69bob
o10$82b2o$81b2o$83bo9$78b2o$77b2o$79bo$84b2o$83b2o$85bo!
I simplified out the aircraft carrier addition at the top:

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x = 58, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
obo52bo$b2o52bobo$bo53b2o3$4bo38bo$5bo37bobo$3b3o37b2o4$18bo$19b2o$18b
2o13$25bobo$26b2o$26bo$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$18bo$16b2obo$15bo2bo18bob
o$16b2o19b2o$33b2o3bo$32b2o$34bo7$48bo$47b2o$47bobo9$44bo$43b2o$43bobo
$50bo$49b2o$49bobo!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » October 24th, 2019, 9:26 pm

Your simplifications remain impressive as always!

Reduction to a preexisting string of components, small enough for Catagolue's box to recognize it as one transformation. Hopefully transfer.py can run off with it:

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x = 108, y = 79, rule = B3/S23
37bo$35bobo$36b2o4$47bo$45bobo$46b2o4$106bo$43bo61bo$44b2o59b3o$43b2o
56bo$101bobo$101b2o6$65bo$66bo$64b3o5b2obo$o2bo68bob2o$4bo62bo8b2o$o3b
o62b2o4b2o2bo$b4o61bobo4bob2o2$63bo$61bobo$62b2o7b2o$70bobo$72bo2b2o$
75bobo$75bo2$70b2o$48b2o19bobo$47bobo21bo$49bo3$50b2o13b2o$49bobo14b2o
$51bo13bo8$59b3o$61bo$60bo3$101b2o$24b2o74b2o$23bobo76bo$25bo$37b2o$
38b2o$37bo5$43b3o$45bo$44bo3$103b3o$103bo$104bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » October 26th, 2019, 10:31 pm

A way to get to this consternating structure:

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x = 29, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
26bobo$26b2o$27bo$9bo$7b2o$2bo5b2o$obo9bo7bobo$b2o9bobo5b2o$12b2o7bo4$
22b2o$22bobo$22bo$4b2o5b2o$4bo6bo8bo$6bob2obo7b2o$5b2obobo3bo4bobo$6bo
bo5bobo$6bobo5b2o$7bo9b2o7bo$12bo4bobo5b2o$10b2o5bo7bobo$7b2o2b2o$7bob
o$7bo6$25b2o$25bobo$25bo!
The base still life, and relatives, shouldn't be a problem due to Chris's new snake-to-hook-with-tail component.

EDIT: Possible routes to this motif:

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x = 31, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
25bo$22b4o$bo2bo25bo$o18bobo5bo2bo$b9o9bo2bob2o2bo$3b3o15bo2b2o2bo2$4b
2o18b2o$2bo2bo16bo2bo$2b2obob2o13b2obob2o$5b2obo16b2obo$2b2o18b2o$2bo
19bo$3bo19bo$2b2o18b2o!
EDIT 2: Just tedious to put together the first step:

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x = 152, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
138bo$136bobo$20bo116b2o$20bobo$20b2o5$10b2o58bo29bo39bo$4bob2obobo2b
2o48bob2obobo22bob2obobo32bob2obobo$4b2obob2o3bobo47b2obobobo22b2obobo
bo32b2obobobo$15bo5bo48bo29bo39bo$20bo47b2o28b2o38b2o$7b2o11b3o44bo29b
o39bo11b2o$5b3obo55b3o27b3o37b3o11bobo$4bo5bo53bo29bo39bo14bo$5b4obo8b
3o43b3o27b3o36b2o9b2o$7bobo9bo5bobo39bo30bo3bo42bobo$20bo4b2o32bo37b2o
2b2o42bo$26bo33bo40bobo37b3o$58b3ob2o33bo45bo$62bobo32b2o43bo$62bo33bo
bo3bo$101b2o$58b3o40bobo$4b3o53bo$6bo52bo$5bo$b2o$obo$2bo!
EDIT 3: This one looks very possible, but I'm not keen on working out the boilerplate transformations at this time:

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x = 100, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
60bo$60bo$59bo$7bo25bo3bo20b2o3bo3bo25bo3bo$4bobobo23bobobobo23bobobob
o23bobobobo$4b2o2bo23bob2o2bo23bob2o2bo22bo2b2o2bo$8b2o23bo4b2o18b2o3b
o4b2o22b2o4b2o$4b2o28b2o21b4o3b2o28b2o$5bo29bo21b2o6bo28bobo$4bo29bo
29bo30bo$3bo29bo30bo4b2o$obo27bobo34b2o$2o28b2o35bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Extrementhusiast » November 1st, 2019, 1:18 am

Kazyan wrote:
October 26th, 2019, 10:31 pm
EDIT: Possible routes to this motif:

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RLE
Seven gliders, although an eighth may be needed for kickback purposes:

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x = 80, y = 114, rule = B3/S23
76bo$76bobo$76b2o2$73b3o2$71bo5bo$obo68bo5bo$b2o68bo5bo$bo23b2o$24b2o
47b3o$21bo4bo$22b2o$21b2o6$17bo$17b2o7bo49bo$16bobo6bobo47bobo$25bobo
46bo2bo$26bo48b2o11$3bo$3b2o$2bobo3$5b2o$6b2o$5bo31$76bo$76bobo$76b2o
2$73b3o2$71bo5bo$obo68bo5bo$b2o68bo5bo$bo23b2o$24b2o47b3o$21bo4bo$22b
2o$21b2o5$27b2o48b2o$17bo9bo49bo$17b2o10bo49bo$16bobo6b5o45b5o$25bo48b
o$27bo47bobo$26b2o48b2o10$3bo$3b2o$2bobo3$5b2o$6b2o$5bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » November 3rd, 2019, 1:10 am

Upgrade a loaf to a cape-and-feather motif, or a beehive to a...folding fan? Gnarled widget? Ok-hand? This motif.

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x = 274, y = 135, rule = B3/S23
17bo$10b2o5bobo$11b2o4b2o$10bo$18bo$17b2o208bo$2bo14bobo191bo13b2o$3b
2o204bobo14b2o$2b2o206b2o10bo$221bo$121bo95bo3b3o34bo$65bo55bobo81bobo
8bo39bobo$66bo54b2o83b2o8b3o38b2o$64b3o49bo89bo53bo$117b2o140bobo$116b
2o83bobo55bobo$78b2o33b2o13b2o31bo6b2o32b2o7bo6b2o33bo6bo$79bo32bobo6b
2o6bo30bobo6bo32bo7bobo6bo34bo$77bo36bo6bobo3bo33bobo3bo43bobo3bo34b3o
11b2o$77b2o44bo3b2o34bo3b2o44bo3b2o37b2o8bobo$19bo59bo43b2o4bo33b2o4bo
43b2o4bo35bo2bo10bo$18bobo56b2obo46b2obo36b2obo46b2obo35b2o9b2obo$17bo
2bo44bobo9bo2bo46bo2bo36bo2bo46bo2bo46bo2bo$18b2ob2o42b2o11b2ob2o45b2o
b2o35b2ob2o40b2o3b2ob2o40bo4b2ob2o$3o17bo2bo42bo13bo2bo46bo2bo36bo2bo
39bobo4bo2bo38bobo5bo2bo$2bo17bobo45bo11bobo47bobo28bo8bobo31b4o6bo5bo
bo39bobo5bobo$bo19bo11b3o31b2o12bo49bo29b2o8bo31bo3bo13bo41bo7bo$33bo
33bobo90bobo44bo52b2o$3b2o29bo168bo2bo52bobo$4b2o151b2o102bo$3bo152bob
o3b2o$158bo3bobo$64bo97bo44b2o6b3o$64b2o142b2o5bo$63bobo141bo3b2o3bo4b
2o$210b2o8b2o$212bo9bo6$200b3o$202bo$201bo46$16bo$9b2o5bobo$10b2o4b2o$
9bo$17bo$16b2o208bo$16bobo191bo13b2o$208bobo14b2o$209b2o10bo$220bo$
216bo3b3o$204bobo8bo$205b2o8b3o$205bo2$200bobo$201b2o7bo6b2o$201bo7bob
o6bo$210bobo3bo$212bo3b2o$18bo193b2o4bo$17bobo196b2obo$17bobo196bo2bo$
18bob2o190b2o4bob2o$19bo2bo189bobo4bo2bo$20b2o181b4o6bo6b2o$32b3o167bo
3bo$32bo173bo$33bo168bo2bo4$206b2o6b3o$207b2o5bo$4b2o200bo3b2o3bo4b2o$
5b2o202b2o8b2o$4bo22bo183bo9bo$26b2o$20b2o4bobo$20bobo$20bo2$199b3o$
201bo$200bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Gustone » November 3rd, 2019, 2:25 am

this is off topic but i didnt find a better place

this just doesnt work

i tried

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x = 28, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$A.A$.2A14$17.A$16.A$16.3A$24.A.A$17.A7.2A$16.2A7.A$16.A.A2$16.2D$
11.2D3.2D$12.D$12.D.D2.D$13.2D2.D8.A$17.D8.2A$8.2A7.D7.A.A$9.2A$8.A9.
2A$18.A.A$18.A9$5.2A$4.A.A$6.A!
My favourite oscillator of all time

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x = 15, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7bo2$3b2o5b2o$b2o4bo4b2o$5b2ob2o$bobo7bobo$bo2bobobobo2bo$5obobob5o$o
4bo3bo4bo$b3obobobob3o$3bob2obo2bo$8bobo$8b2o!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » November 9th, 2019, 4:02 am

There are some still lifes characterized by tubs in a corner which, if they were eater heads, would be flush with an adjacent domino that prevents any of the usual eater-head-to-tub methods from working:

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x = 36, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
3bo8b2o8b2o8bo$2bobo7bo9bo8bobo$2bobo8bo10bo7bo$b2ob2o4b4o6b4obo$bo4bo
3bo9bo4bo4b5o$3b3o6b2o8b3o5bo4bo$bobo6bobo2bo4bobo9b3o$obo6bobo2b2o3bo
bo8bobo$bo8bo9bo8bobo$30bo11$2o8b2o$obo7bo3b2o$2bo2bo6bo2bo$b2obobo4b
2obo$bo2b2o5bo2b2o$3bo9bo$bobo7bobo$obo7bobo$bo9bo!
There would be an easy component to make those tubs, but I somehow got stuck on making this simple spark needed. Any ideas on forming it?

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x = 11, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b2o4bo$o2bo2bobo$b2o3bobo$5b2ob2o$bo3bo4bo$b2o4b3o$obo2bobo$5b2o2$4b3o
$5b4o$5b3o!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » November 9th, 2019, 9:44 am

Kazyan wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 4:02 am
I somehow got stuck on making this simple spark needed. Any ideas on forming it?

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x = 11, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b2o4bo$o2bo2bobo$b2o3bobo$5b2ob2o$bo3bo4bo$b2o4b3o$obo2bobo$5b2o2$4b3o
$5b4o$5b3o!
From my soon to be published spark searching script:

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x = 18, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
obo10bo$b2o10bobo$bo6bo4b2o$8bobo$8b2o2$15bobo$15b2o$16bo$7b2o$6bobo$
4b3o$3bo4bo$4b2ob2o$5bobo$5bobo$6bo2$15b2o$15bobo$15bo$6b2o$5bobo$7bo!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by dvgrn » November 9th, 2019, 10:04 am

chris_c wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 9:44 am
From my soon to be published spark searching script...
Wow! Nice find -- and a new spark searching script is quite a bombshell to drop here. Am I guessing right that you're using a hash function other than population to recognize sparks?

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » November 9th, 2019, 10:13 am

dvgrn wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 10:04 am
chris_c wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 9:44 am
From my soon to be published spark searching script...
Wow! Nice find -- and a new spark searching script is quite a bombshell to drop here. Am I guessing right that you're using a hash function other than population to recognize sparks?
No. I dump some interesting glider collisons in a file using gencols and then track the "corner" of each reaction. Every time the corner increases by the necessary amount I just plonk the still life at the necessary location and test for the desired output after some small number of generations. I've been using something similar for years but thought it was about time to make it user friendly enough for wider consumption.

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Goldtiger997 » November 9th, 2019, 10:23 am

Here's a probably unecessarily complicated synthesis for xs19_08obiq453z32:

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x = 700, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
18bo$16b2o$17b2o2$9bo32bo$7bobo8bo22bo$8b2o6bobo22b3o$17b2o$105bo$105b
obo$105b2o2$bo9b2o90b2o129bo$2bo7bobo90b2o130bo101bo$3o3bo5bo220b3o
102b2o$7b2o83bo52bo191b2o$6b2o85bo52bo90bo$91b3o40bo9b3o3bo87bo107bo
42bo$95b2o38bo4bo7b2o86b3o107bobo38bobo8bo$94bo2bo35b3o5b2o6b2o40bobo
145bo6b2o40b2o7bo$95b2o43b2o49b2o43bo55bo44bobo57b3o233bo$192bo43b2o
47bo4b2o46b2o34bo163bo92bobo$187bo47bobo45bobo5b2o82bo160bobo42bobo48b
2o$188bo95b2o87b3o4bobo154b2o43b2o$2bo183b3o192b2o199bo48bo$2b2o187b2o
97b2o89bo57b2o48b2o48b2o90b2o$bobo86b2o48b2o49bo47b2o50bo97b2o47bobo
47bobo47bobo39b2o48bobo$90bo2bo3b2o41bo2bo3b2o36b2o6bo3b2o40bobobo3b2o
38bo3bobo3b2o41bo2bo3b2o40bo3bo3b2o39bo4bo3b2o39bo4bo3b2o39bo4bo3b2o
30bobo11bo3b2o44bo3b2o33bo10bo3b2o$92b4o2bo43b4o2bo37b2o4b4o2bo43b4o2b
o36bobo4b4o2bo41b6o2bo41b6o2bo40b7o2bo40b7o2bo40b7o2bo32bo11b3o2bo44b
3o2bo34bo9b3o2bo$96b2o34b3o11b2o37bo10b2o48b2o38b2o8b2o48b2o48b2o48b2o
48b2o48b2o48b2o48b2o33b3o12b2o$92b2obo38bo7b2obo46b2obo46b2obo46b2obo
46b2obo30b3o13b2obo43b2ob2obo43b2ob2obo45b3obo37bo7b3obo35b3o5bob3obo
45b3obo$92bob2o37bo8bob2o46bob2o46bob2o46bob2o46bob2o32bo13bob2o42bobo
bob2o35b2o6b2obob2o44bobob2o37b2o5bobob2o37bo5b2obob2o43bo2bob2o$377bo
61bo40bobo2b2o52bo42bobo4bo42bo56b2o$23b2o206b2o50b2o150b2o45bob2o52bo
49bo$7bo15bobo67bo8bo129b2o50b2o148bobo49bo51b2o48b2o$7b2o14bo68bobo6b
obo127bo51bo100bo51bo$6bobo82bo2bo6b2o281b2o53b3o$92b2o10b2o277bobo53b
o190b3o$18b2o68b3o13bobo333bo191bo7b2o47b2o$17b2o71bo13bo482b2o42bo8bo
bo39b3o5b2o6b2o$19bo69bo407bo88bobo51bo43bo4bo7b2o$47b2o447b2o90bo94bo
9b3o3bo$46b2o448bobo196bo$48bo645bo12$2o$b2o$o!
chris_c wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 9:44 am
From my soon to be published spark searching script...
Very exciting!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » November 9th, 2019, 11:35 am

I wrote about my search script over in the scripts sub-forum. Here is the input for the recent search I made. Use direction = S, delay = 4, increase = 4 and defaults for everything else.

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x = 49, y = 12, rule = LifeHistory
3.3C$2.4C$4.3C36.5B$42.3BA3B$4.2A36.2BABA2B$3.A.A2.A.A31.BABA3B$.3A4.
2A31.3A4B$A4.A3.A30.A2.2BA2B$.2A.2A35.2A.2A2B$2.A.A3.2A32.A.A$2.A.A2.
A2.A31.A.A$3.A4.2A33.A!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » November 9th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Found with Chris's script. Seems pretty elementary as a transformation.

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x = 33, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o5$28bo$27bo$27b3o11$25bo$24bo$24b3o3$12bo$10bobo$11b2o4bo$17b
obo$17b2o10bo2bo$27b6o$26bo$27b2obo$25bobob2o$25b2o!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by BlinkerSpawn » November 9th, 2019, 9:34 pm

Kazyan wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Found with Chris's script. Seems pretty elementary as a transformation.

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x = 33, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o5$28bo$27bo$27b3o11$25bo$24bo$24b3o3$12bo$10bobo$11b2o4bo$17b
obo$17b2o10bo2bo$27b6o$26bo$27b2obo$25bobob2o$25b2o!
Two seconds in Seeds of Destruction:

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x = 23, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
21bo$20bo$20b3o16$15bo$14bo$14b3o3$2bo$obo$b2o4bo$7bobo$7b2o10bo2bo$
17b6o$16bo$17b2obo$15bobob2o$15b2o!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Extrementhusiast » November 10th, 2019, 7:12 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 9:34 pm
Kazyan wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 12:47 pm
Found with Chris's script. Seems pretty elementary as a transformation.

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x = 33, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o5$28bo$27bo$27b3o11$25bo$24bo$24b3o3$12bo$10bobo$11b2o4bo$17b
obo$17b2o10bo2bo$27b6o$26bo$27b2obo$25bobob2o$25b2o!
Two seconds in Seeds of Destruction:

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x = 23, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
21bo$20bo$20b3o16$15bo$14bo$14b3o3$2bo$obo$b2o4bo$7bobo$7b2o10bo2bo$
17b6o$16bo$17b2obo$15bobob2o$15b2o!
Three gliders in the component catalog:

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x = 22, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o13$obo$2o$bo$3bo14bo2bo$2b2o12b6o$2bobo10bo$16b2obo$14bobob2o
$14b2o!
Also, the tub-changing method did exist already in the original 18-bit SL syntheses:

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x = 126, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
49bo$47b2o$48b2o$24b2o$25b2o$24bo3bobo$28b2o$29bo$92bo$93b2o$92b2o5bo$
89bo9bobo$87bobo9b2o$88b2o2$75b2o$74b4o$74b2ob2o$76b2o2$89b2o29bo$38b
2o49bo3b2o24bobo$38bobo49bo2bobo24bobo$40b3o45bobo4b3o24b3o$38bo4bo44b
2o3bo4bo21bo4bo$38b2ob2o50b2ob2o22b2ob2o$2o37bobo52bobo24bobo$b2o36bob
o37b2o13bobo24bobo$o39bo37bobo14bo26bo$80bo4$91b2o$91bobo$66b2o16b2o5b
o$65bobo15bobo$67bo17bo$15bo$15b2o69b2o$14bobo69bobo$86bo!
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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » November 11th, 2019, 11:39 am

chris_c wrote:
November 9th, 2019, 9:44 am
From my soon to be published spark searching script:

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x = 18, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
obo10bo$b2o10bobo$bo6bo4b2o$8bobo$8b2o2$15bobo$15b2o$16bo$7b2o$6bobo$
4b3o$3bo4bo$4b2ob2o$5bobo$5bobo$6bo2$15b2o$15bobo$15bo$6b2o$5bobo$7bo!
How bizarre. The exact same 3G collision just turned up in this synth I found:

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x = 23, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
obo10bo$b2o10bobo$bo6bo4b2o$8bobo$8b2o3$21bo$20bo$9b2o9b3o$8bo2bo$7bob
2obo$8bo2bobo5bo$9bobobo4bo$10bobo5b3o$11bo5$21b2o$20b2o$22bo!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Goldtiger997 » November 14th, 2019, 10:22 am

Synthesis for xs19_wo4it246zc93 using chris_c's script. It was quite difficult to make the 3G reactions all fit without intefering with each other. The pre-block inserter in the synthesis is pretty nice so it might come in useful for other still-lifes:

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x = 119, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
2bo115bo$obo113b2o$b2o114b2o$97bo$96bo$96b3o$102b3o$102bo$94bobo6bo$
11bo83b2o$9bobo83bo$10b2o6$35bo59bo$34bobo57bobo$33bobobo55bobobo$32bo
2bobo54bo2bobo$32bobo2b2o53bob2ob2o$31b2ob2o55b2o$92bo$90bo$90b2o10$9b
o$9b2o$8bobo35b3o$46bo$34b2o11bo$35b2o78b2o$34bo79b2o$84bo31bo$84b2o$
11b2o70bobo$10bobo25b3o$12bo4bo22bo$17b2o20bo$16bobo3$7b2o34b2o$6bobo
33b2o$8bo35bo2$19b2o$20b2o$19bo42b2o$62bobo$62bo3$7b2o$8b2o$7bo!
There's now less than 400 xs19s remaining (391 according to Catagolue as of now)

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by chris_c » November 14th, 2019, 2:44 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:
November 14th, 2019, 10:22 am
Synthesis for xs19_wo4it246zc93 using chris_c's script
Here's a synthesis for the a/c pointing the other way. Hopefully this method of adding a pre-block will also be useful in other synths.

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x = 97, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
96bo$94b2o$95b2o$75bo$74bo$74b3o$80b3o$80bo$72bobo6bo$73b2o$73bo$41bo$
41bobo$41b2o$31bo$29bobo$30b2o$13bo29bo29bo$12bobo27bobo27bobo$11bobob
o25bobobo25bobobo$10bo2bobo24bo2bobo24bo2bobo$10bobo2b2o23bobo2b2o23bo
b2ob2o$9b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2o$5bo30bo30bo2bo$6bo29bo30b2o$4b3o25bo3bo$
31bobo$2o29bobo$b2o2b2o25bo$o3bobo43b2o$6bo28b2o13bobo$34bobo3b3o7bo$
36bo5bo$28b2o11bo$27bobo$29bo5$93b2o$92b2o$62bo31bo$62b2o$61bobo!
EDIT: Also useful for xs19_0c886p3zc9311:

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x = 78, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
61bo$60bo$60b3o$51bo$52bo$50b3o2$14b2o48b2o$11b2o2bo45b2o2bo$10bo2b2o
45bo2b2o$10bobo47bobo13bo$9b2obo46b2obo11b2o$5bo6b2o42bo5b2o11b2o$6bo
5bo2bo40bo5bo2bo$4b3o7b2o36bo3bo7b2o$51bobo$2o49bobo$b2o2b2o45bo$o3bob
o51b3ob3o$6bo53bobo12b2o$59bo3bo6b2o3bobo$70bobo2bo$48b3o19bo$50bo$49b
o11b3o$61bo$62bo!
EDIT2: And for xs19_0g88c93zpia52:

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x = 68, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
52bo$52bobo$52b2o$42bo$40bobo$41b2o2$53bo2b2o$12bo2b2o35bobo2bo$11bobo
2bo34bo2bobo$10bo2bobo35bobobo$10bobobo35b2ob2o$9b2ob2o33bo$5bo41bo$6b
o36bo3bo$4b3o35bobo$42bobo$2o41bo$b2o2b2o56bo$o3bobo41b3o11b2o$6bo43bo
11bobo$49bo$39b2o$38bobo16b2o$40bo16bobo6b2o$57bo7b2o$67bo!
EDIT3: xs19_039m88gzoi6221:

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x = 67, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
51bo$51bobo$51b2o$41bo$39bobo$40b2o24bo$64b2o$12bo39bo12b2o$11bobo37bo
bo$10bo2bo36bo2bo$10bobo37bobo$9b2obobo34b2obobo$5bo7b2o31bo6b2o$6bo
39bo$4b3o35bo3bo15b2o$41bobo18bobo$2o39bobo10b2o6bo$b2o2b2o35bo11bobo$
o3bobo47bo$6bo43b3o$52bo9b2o$51bo10bobo$38b2o22bo$37bobo$39bo!
EDIT4: Snake-to-eater in 6G. It solves xs19_g8g3iaczc9521 so seems to have better clearance than previous methods:

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x = 36, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
32bo$30b2o$31b2o$4bobo15bo$5b2o13b2o$5bo15b2o2$29bo$29bobo$29b2o3$bo
32bo$b2o30b2o$obo14b2o14bobo$18bo$17bo$17b2o3bo$19bobobo$19bob2o$20bo$
21bobo$22b2o!

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Re: 19-bit still life syntheses

Post by Kazyan » November 18th, 2019, 1:54 am

Making a carrier-at-carrier motif:

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x = 35, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
30bo$29bo$29b3o$19bo$17bobo$18b2o$27bobo$20bo6b2o$20bobo5bo$20b2o$14bo
$8b2o4bobo$7bo2bo3b2o$7b2obo6b2o$10b2o5bobo$10bo6bo$12bo$11b2o3$22b2o
8b2o$22bobo7bobo$22bo9bo$28b2o$28bobo$28bo$23b3o$23bo$bo22bo$b2o3b2o$o
bo4b2o$6bo!
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