Spaceship Discussion Thread

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » May 12th, 2020, 7:51 am

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 x = 15, y = 69, rule = B3/S23
10bo$8bo$7bo5bo$6bo$6b2ob3ob2o2$10bo$9bobo$6b2o4bo$6b4o3b2o$10bo3bo$
12bo$12bo2$7b5o$7bo$6bo4$5b2o3bo$4bo2b3ob2o$4bo6bo$5bobob2o$8bo$6bo3bo
$5bo3b2obo$4bo2bo2bob2o$5b3obo$6bo3b2o$6bob3o$8b3o$4bo$4b2o3$5b3o$4b6o
$3b7o$2b2o5b2o3$5b3o$3bo2b2o$2b6o$8b4o$4bo3b2o2$4bo2bo$3bo$2bobob2o2$
2b2o3$bo5bo$ob2obobo$3obob2o$3bobo$3bo$6bo$b2o3b3o$o5bobo$bob2obobo$2b
o$3bob2o$bo3bo$o$2o2bo!
C/7 wave that is known.
Can anyone stabilize this?
Rule modifier

B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k
b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8
B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8
B3-kq4z5e7c8/S2-ci3-a4ciq5ek6eik7

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 15th, 2020, 4:08 pm

This is a wick that exists:

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x = 81, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
o$2o2$2b2o$3o$2bo2b2o$2ob2o$o3bo3bo$3o4b2o$obo2b2ob2o$o6bob2o$b2ob4o$
2bob2o5b2o$bo2bo2b5o$o5bo4bo2b2o$4b2o3b2ob2o$2ob3o3bo3bo3bo$o2b2o4b3o
4b2o$2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$bo4bo2bo6bob2o$bo4bobob2ob4o$bob5o3bob2o5b2o$bob
obo2bobo2bo2b5o$3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$o2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$3b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo
3bo$2bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$2bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$5bob2obo4bo2bo6bob
2o$4b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$6b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$7bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$9b3o
2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$9bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$12b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$11bo3bob2o2b
2o4b3o4b2o$11bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$14bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$13b3o3bo4bo
bob2ob4o$15b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$16bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$18b3o2b2ob2o5bo
4bo2b2o$18bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$21b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$20bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b
2o$20bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$23bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$22b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o
$24b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$25bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$27b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$
27bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$30b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$29bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$29bo3b
obo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$32bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$31b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$33b2o2bo
b5o3bob2o5b2o$34bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$36b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$36bo2bo9b
2o3b2ob2o$39b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$38bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$38bo3bobo2bo3b
4obo2b2ob2o$41bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$40b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$42b2o2bob5o3bob
2o5b2o$43bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$45b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$45bo2bo9b2o3b2ob
2o$48b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$47bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$47bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2o
b2o$50bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$49b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$51b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$
52bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$54b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$54bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$57b
2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$56bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$56bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2obo$59b
ob2obo4bo2bo6bo$58b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$60b2o2bob5o3bob2o$61bo2bobobo2bobo
2bo2b2o$63b3o2b2ob2o5bo$63bo2bo9b2o$66b2o3b3ob3o$65bo3bob2o2b2o$65bo3b
obo2bo3b3o$68bob2obo4bo$67b3o3bo4bobo$69b2o2bob5o$70bo2bobobo2bo$72b3o
2b2obo$72bo2bo$75b2o3bo$74bo3bobo$74bo3bobo$77bob2o$76b3o$78b2o$79bo!
It dropped out of a search for wicks/waves with two plausible end speeds (here c/4d and c/5d), but unfortunately I think this is probably too wide to be stabilized on either end (or as p18 anchor).

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by roolif » May 15th, 2020, 7:26 pm

Just playing with TORUS. I think it helps to better visualize certain dynamic objects with explosive behaviour, when confined...
yujh wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 7:51 am

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 3 AUTOSTART NOSOURCE ]]
x = 123, y = 60, rule = Life:T123,60-14
8$15bo$o8bo4b2o$2bo6b2o6bo15bo$2bo5bo2bob3ob3o7bo5bo$2bo6bobo2bobob2o
5b3o5b2o$2bo6bo2bo5b2o5b2o6b2o14b3o$2b2o5bobo3b2o7b3o3b3o3bobo4b3o3bo
17bobo$4bo3bo4bo2b3o5b3o3b3o5bo6bo2b4obo7bobo2bo2bo$8bo2bo2bobo4bo2b3o
3bobo11bobo6b2o6bo$9b2o4bo4b2o3b2o5bobobobo6bo5bo4bo3bo3bo3b2o9bo5b2o$
26b2o3b2o4bo2bo3bob2o3bobo6bo6bob3obo5bo4b2obo14b2o$27bo4bo5bobo3b2o3b
o2bo7bo4b2o2bob3o5bo4bo12b2o3b3o$43bobo3bobo2bobo3bo4bo2b5o8bobo3bobo
6b3o2bo3bo$44b2o4bo4b2o3bo6bobo3bo5b2ob3o4b3o4bo2b5o3bo7bo4b2o$61bo4b
2o5b3o5bo2b3o2b3o4b2obo2bobo3bo4bobo4bo$62b2o4bo4b2o4bo5b2o2b2o5b2ob2o
3bob2o11bo2bo$78bobo5bo3b2o4b3obo2b2o2bo7bo2bo$79b2o3b2o5bo4b3obobo8bo
3bobo3bo$96bobo3bobo3b2o5bo2bobo$97b2o4bo4b2o2bo7bo$113bobo3b2o$114b2o
3b2o!
amling wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 4:08 pm

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL THUMBSIZE 2 ZOOM 3 AUTOSTART NOSOURCE ]]
x = 81, y = 106, rule = Life:T81,106+25
2o2$3bo$2b2o$2ob2o$2bob2o$3o$o5b2o$2b5o$bo4bo2b2o$o3b2ob2o$o3bo3bo3bo$
4b3o4b2o$b4obo2b2ob2o$bo2bo6bob2o$bobob2ob4o$3o3bob2o5b2o$o2bobo2bo2b
5o$2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$8b2o3b2ob2o$3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$bobo
2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$ob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$2o3bo4bobob2ob4o$b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b
2o$2bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$4b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$4bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$7b2o
3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$6bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$6bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$9bob2o
bo4bo2bo6bob2o$8b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$10b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$11bo2bobobo2bo
bo2bo2b5o$13b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$13bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$16b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo
3bo$15bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$15bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$18bob2obo4bo2bo6b
ob2o$17b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$19b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$20bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o
$22b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$22bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$25b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$24bo
3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$24bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$27bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$26b
3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$28b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$29bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$31b3o2b
2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$31bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$34b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$33bo3bob2o2b
2o4b3o4b2o$33bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$36bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$35b3o3bo4bo
bob2ob4o$37b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$38bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$40b3o2b2ob2o5bo
4bo2b2o$40bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$43b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$42bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b
2o$42bo3bobo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$45bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$44b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o
$46b2o2bob5o3bob2o5b2o$47bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$49b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo2b2o$
49bo2bo9b2o3b2ob2o$52b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo3bo$51bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o4b2o$51bo3b
obo2bo3b4obo2b2ob2o$54bob2obo4bo2bo6bob2o$53b3o3bo4bobob2ob4o$55b2o2bo
b5o3bob2o5b2o$56bo2bobobo2bobo2bo2b5o$58b3o2b2ob2o5bo4bo$58bo2bo9b2o3b
2ob2o$61b2o3b3ob3o3bo3bo$60bo3bob2o2b2o4b3o$60bo3bobo2bo3b4obo$63bob2o
bo4bo2bo$62b3o3bo4bobob2obo$64b2o2bob5o3bobo$65bo2bobobo2bobo2bo$67b3o
2b2ob2o$67bo2bo9bo$70b2o3b3ob2o$69bo3bob2o2b2o$69bo3bobo2bo$72bob2obo$
71b3o3bo$73b2o2bob2o$74bo2bobo$76b3o$76bo2bo$79b2o$78bo$78bo2$80bo!

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = LifeSuper
#C [[ NOGUI NOSOURCE HEIGHT 100 WIDTH 100 ]]
3A.3A.5A$A.A3.A$A.A.3A.A.A.A$A7.A3.A$A.5M.A.A.A$A9.A.A$A.5M.3A.A$A.M$
A.M.3M.D.D.D$2.M3.M3.D$3M.3M4D.D$M11.D$10M.2D!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by yujh » May 15th, 2020, 7:55 pm

roolif wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 7:26 pm
Just playing with TORUS. I think it helps to better visualize certain dynamic objects with explosive behaviour, when confined...
yujh wrote:
May 12th, 2020, 7:51 am
[]snip
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amling wrote:
May 15th, 2020, 4:08 pm
[]snip
[]
Well this is not a ship...
Rule modifier

B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k
b2n3-q5y6cn7s23-k4c8
B3-kq6cn8/S2-i3-a4ciyz8
B3-kq4z5e7c8/S2-ci3-a4ciq5ek6eik7

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 15th, 2020, 8:22 pm

Is someone collecting greyship components somewhere? A leading edge for parallel c/3 that expands 2 columns (one period) every 6:

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x = 30, y = 38, rule = Life:T30,138-10
$o4$o3b2o$4bo$2bobo$4o$6bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$30o2$30o2$o2b27o$b2o$
2b2ob2o2b21o$b2ob2ob2o$8b2ob2o2b15o$b4o2b2ob2ob2o$bo12b2ob2o2b9o$o2bo
3b4o2b2ob2ob2o$b3o3bo12b2ob2o2b3o$2bobobo2bo3b4o2b2ob2ob2o$o3bo2b3o3bo
12b2obo$4bo3bobobo2bo3b4o2b2ob2o$4bobo3bo2b3o3bo$5bo4bo3bobobo2bo3b4o$
10bobo3bo2b3o3bo$11bo4bo3bobobo2bo$16bobo3bo2b3o$17bo4bo3bobo$22bobo3b
o$23bo4bo$28bo$29bo!
I could search for other "wide" greyship edges, but it's fairly tedious since I have to specify the spatial period (e.g. (2, 6) in the above).

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 15th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Similarly a trailing edge at same slope:

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x = 30, y = 71, rule = Life:T30,171-10
6$o4$o2$2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$30o2$30o2$30o2$30o2$30o2$30o2$
30o2$30o2$2b28o2$3b2o3b22o$3bo$obo6b2o3b16o$9bo$2bobobobo6b2o3b10o$5bo
9bo$b2o5bobobobo6b2o3b4o$4bo6bo9bo$5bob2o5bobobobo6b2o$3bobo4bo6bo9bo$
4bo6bob2o5bobobobo$5bo3bobo4bo6bo$10bo6bob2o5bobo$4b2o5bo3bobo4bo6bo$
2bobo11bo6bob2o$3b2o5b2o5bo3bobo4bo$3bo4bobo11bo6bo$2bo6b2o5b2o5bo3bob
o$9bo4bobo11bo$2o3bo2bo6b2o5b2o5bo$bo2bo10bo4bobo$b2o3b2o3bo2bo6b2o5b
2o$bo3bobo2bo10bo4bobo$o6b2o3b2o3bo2bo6b2o$5bobo3bobo2bo10bo$6bo6b2o3b
2o3bo2bo$11bobo3bobo2bo$12bo6b2o3b2o3bo$17bobo3bobo2bo$18bo6b2o$23bobo
3bo$24bo$29bo!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 20th, 2020, 2:45 pm

I gave up on those "wide" component searches since they seem impossible to connect up and instead started looking at c/3 parallel components that all connect through a specific common thin "joint". So far the search has dumped out 19 distinct components that I don't see in the greyships in jslive-moving. What should I do with these? Toss them? Put them all in one giant ship sorted by slope? Start cobbling together ships at random, but make sure to include them all?

As an example here is are the highest slope expansion (6 every 14) and contraction (8 every 13) tossed together with a quick front and back:

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x = 63, y = 134, rule = B3/S23
25bo11bo$24b4o7b4o$23bo3b2o5b2o3bo$23bobo3bo3bo3bobo$24b4ob2ob2ob4o$
25b2obobobobob2o$25b2obo5bob2o$28bo5bo$25bobo7bobo$26b3o5b3o$28b2o3b2o
$30bobo$27bo7bo$26b2o3bo3b2o$26b2ob2ob2ob2o$26bo9bo$28b2o3b2o$29b2ob2o
$29b2ob2o$28b2o3b2o$27bo3bo3bo$26b2ob2ob2ob2o$25b2o3bobo3b2o$26b2o2bob
o2b2o$26b3obobob3o$27bo2bobo2bo$28bobobobo$28bobobobo$25b2obobobobob2o
$26bobobobobobo$23b2obobobobobobob2o$18b2ob2obobobobobobobobob2ob2o$
18b2o4bobobobobobobobo4b2o$18b2o4bobobobobobobobo4b2o$20b3obobobobobob
obobob3o$20bobobobobobobobobobobobo$19b2obobobobobobobobobobob2o$18bo
3bobobobobobobobobobo3bo$18bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$19bo2bobobobob
obobobobobo2bo$22bobobobobobobobobobo$22bobobobobobobobobobo$19b2obobo
bobobobobobobobob2o$20bobobobobobobobobobobobo$17b2obobobobobobobobobo
bobobob2o$12b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$12b2o4bobobobobob
obobobobobobobobo4b2o$12b2o4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo4b2o$14b3obobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobob3o$14bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$13b
2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$12bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobo3bo$12bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$13bo2bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobo2bo$16bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$16bobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobo$13b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$14bobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$11b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobob2o$6b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$6b2o4bob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo4b2o$6b2o4bobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobo4b2o$8b3obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob3o$
8bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$7b2obobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$6bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobo3bo$6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$7b
o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$10bobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobo$10bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obo$7b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$8bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$5b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobob2o$2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobob2ob2o$2o4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
o4b2o$2o4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo4b2o$2b3o
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob3o$2bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$b2obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$o3bobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobo$bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobo2bo$4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobo$4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$b2ob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$b2obobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$4bobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$b3o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobo2b3o$5b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obob2o$8bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$2bob2obo2bobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bob2obo$2bo2b2o3bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3b2o2bo$2bo2bo3b2obobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobob2o3bo2bo$7b2o3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobo3b2o$12bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$12bobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobo$9b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
2o$9b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$12bobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobo$11bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$
9b3o2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b3o$13b2obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobob2o$16bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$10bob2obo2bobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobo2bob2obo$10bo2b2o3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3b2o
2bo$10bo2bo3b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2o3bo2bo$15b2o3bobobobobobobob
obobobobo3b2o$20bobobobobobobobobobobobo$20bobobobobobobobobobobobo$
17b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$17b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$20bo
bobobobobobobobobobobo$19bo2bobobobobobobobobobo2bo$17b3o2bobobobobobo
bobobobo2b3o$21b2obobobobobobobobob2o$24bobobobobobobobo$18bob2obo2bob
obobobobo2bob2obo$18bo2b2o3bobobobobobo3b2o2bo$18bo2bo3b2obobobobob2o
3bo2bo$23b2o3bobobobo3b2o$28bobobobo$28bobobobo$25b2obobobobob2o$25b2o
bobobobob2o$28bobobobo$27bo2bobo2bo$25b3o2bobo2b3o$29b2ob2o$27bo2bobo
2bo$30bobo$28bobobobo$29bo3bo$29b2ob2o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by dvgrn » May 20th, 2020, 3:26 pm

amling wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 2:45 pm
I gave up on those "wide" component searches since they seem impossible to connect up and instead started looking at c/3 parallel components that all connect through a specific common thin "joint". So far the search has dumped out 19 distinct components that I don't see in the greyships in jslive-moving. What should I do with these? Toss them? Put them all in one giant ship sorted by slope? Start cobbling together ships at random, but make sure to include them all?
How about if greyships get their own collection, like maybe a ZIP archive in Very Large Patterns in Golly's Online Archives? I just looked at jslife-moving and the 2012 jslife, and they both seem to have just ship-c3-gray.lif/.rle (same vaguely fish-shaped pattern). Maybe I'm missing some other place where greyships hide, but I know there are lots more greyships than that -- c/3 and various other speeds. This is one from one of the LifeNews articles -- same front and back slope as the fishy one in jslife, but different north and south corners and different tail.

Greyships got posted to LifeNews quite often, a decade and more ago, and some ended up on my weblog. And more recently they've been showing up here on the Spaceship Discussion Thread.

There will be some greyships that fall through the cracks, that these links don't point to, but maybe Hartmut can help fill in any gaps...?

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Post by JP21 » May 20th, 2020, 10:56 pm

Finally there's a new greyship to fit in my collection.
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Sokwe » May 21st, 2020, 12:21 am

dvgrn wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 3:26 pm
How about if greyships get their own collection, like maybe a ZIP archive in Very Large Patterns in Golly's Online Archives?
I would really like to see this. It's the one piece of low-period spaceship technology that I haven't been able to incorporate effectively into the jslife-moving collection. One issue is that there are many ways to connect different components. I would hope that a greyship collection would somehow show the known component connections. On the other hand, there are also components that don't yet connect to any other component. I would want those to also be included.

I'm not aware of any place where most greyship components can be found. We will probably have to rely on Hartmut for this.
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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 21st, 2020, 12:49 am

JP21 wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:56 pm
Finally there's a new greyship to fit in my collection.
Sweet mercy, who found that 6th c/3 ship and how...

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Post by amling » May 21st, 2020, 12:54 am

Here's a zip of the pieces I have from about a day of search jiggerpokery. They're all for the same joint (give or take, some have a slight overhang meaning not every pair is compatible). front.rle and back.rle were the quickest front and back I could find to start/end these components and the rest are all name eNpT.rle (expands N columns in T rows) or sNpT.rle (shrinks N columns in T rows).
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Post by dvgrn » May 21st, 2020, 8:42 am

amling wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 12:49 am
JP21 wrote:
May 20th, 2020, 10:56 pm
Finally there's a new greyship to fit in my collection.
Sweet mercy, who found that 6th c/3 ship and how...
Looks like that was wildmyron. It's really nice to have source links, or at least dates and discoverers, for each object in a collection like this. Otherwise things can get mysterious awfully fast.

(Yes, I know it's a lot of work keeping the annotations up to date, and I'm not exactly volunteering to do all the work myself.)

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 21st, 2020, 2:15 pm

I tried something a little more aggressive and complicated: search to/from all possible sufficiently "thin" joints and then see if whatever shows up can be patched together into a cycle. For the very narrow parameters I tried just to prototype for 2c/5 I got exactly one cycle of 27 rows which shrinks 10 columns. It could also be viewed as shrinking 2 columns every 5.4 rows since it does show up again rephased. Here it is replacing the back of the only 2c/5 greyship I could find:

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x = 103, y = 220, rule = B3/S23
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2bobobobobobo2b2o13b2ob2o$20bo3b2o7bo7b3obo2bobobobo2bob3o7bo7b2o3bo$
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6ob2obobob2ob6o3b2ob4ob2ob2ob2ob2o$21b2ob2obo2bo5bo2bob2obo3bobobobo3b
ob2obo2bo5bo2bob2ob2o$16bo2b2o4bobo10b2o4bo2b2obobob2o2bo4b2o10bobo4b
2o2bo$16bo3bo12b3o14bobo14b3o12bo3bo$17bobo13b2o15bobo15b2o13bobo$17bo
bo26bo3bobo3bo26bobo$16b2obo27b2obobob2o27bob2o$16b4o30bobo30b4o$18b2o
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4bobobobobobobobo4bo$39b4obobobobobobobobob4o$39bo4bobobobobobobobo4bo
$40b3obobobobobobobobob3o$40b2o2bobobobobobobobo2b2o$43b2obobobobobobo
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38bobo3bobobobobobobobo3bobo$36bo3bo4b2obobobobob2o4bo3bo$36b3ob2o2bob
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bobobobobobobob3o13bo12b2o$11bo13bo13b2obobobobobobobobobobob2o13bo13b
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obobobobobobob2o$40bobobobobobobobobobobobo$36bo3bobobobobobobobobobob
obo3bo$34b2ob2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2ob2o$34b2ob2obobobobobobobobo
bobobobob2ob2o$35bo4bobobobobobobobobobobobo4bo$35b2o3bobobobobobobobo
bobobobo3b2o$40bobobobobobobobobobobobo$39b2obobobobobobobobobobob2o$
32b3o5bobobobobobobobobobobobo5b3o$32bobo6b2obobobobobobobobob2o6bobo$
32bo2bo6bobobobobobobobobobo6bo2bo$32b3obo5bobobobobobobobobobo5bob3o$
31b2obobo2b2obobobobobobobobobobob2o2bobob2o$31b2obobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobob2o$34bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$33b2obobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$31bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
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12bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo12b2ob2o$15b2o17bobobo
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bobobobo3bo6b5o2bob2obo4bo3bo$7b2o3b2o8b2o2b3o2bo3b2obobobobobobobobob
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o12b2ob2o$5bob2o26bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo26b2obo$7b2o26bo2b
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bobobo27bo3bo$7bo29b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2o29bo$36bobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobo$34b3obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob3o$33bo2bobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$32bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo$
36bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$31b4obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bob4o$31bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$33b2obobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobob2o$33bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$32bo2b
2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o2bo$38bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$
29bo8bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo8bo$27b2ob2o3b2obobobobobobobobobobob
obobobob2o3b2ob2o$30b2o6bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo6b2o$27b2o3bo4b2ob
obobobobobobobobobobobob2o4bo3b2o$29b2obo5bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
5bob2o$30bobo2b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o2bobo$27b2obobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$27b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobob2o$30bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$10b
o14b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o14bo$9b3o16bo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo16b3o$9bobo13bob2obobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2obo13bobo$3b3o4b2o5b2o7bob2o2b
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2b2obo7b2o5b2o4b3o$3bobo4b3o3b
2obo8bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo8bob2o3b3o4bobo$bo
3bo3bo4bob2obo3b3o2bo3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo2b3o
3bob2obo4bo3bo3bo$bo2bo4bo3bob2ob2o3b3o3bo4bobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobo4bo3b3o3b2ob2obo3bo4bo2bo$b2ob2o4b2o2b3o6bo6b2o2bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobo2b2o6bo6b3o2b2o4b2ob2o$3b3o10bobo12bo2bobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo12bobo10b3o$5b2o11bo13bobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobo13bo11b2o$2o2b3o25bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobo25b3o2b2o$bo2b3o24b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o
24b3o2bo$bo2b2o25b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o25b2o2bo$
32bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$31b2obobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobob2o$32bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$29b2obobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$29b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobob2o$30bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$27bo
b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2obo$26b2obo2bobobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bob2o$27bo4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobo4bo$27bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2bo$28bo
3bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo3bo$31b2obobobobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobobob2o$34bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$33b2obobobo
bobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$34bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$
34bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$33b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobob2o$36bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$36bobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobo$36bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$34bobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobo$35b2obobobobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$38bobobobobobobobob
obobobobobo$38bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$35b2obobobobobobobobobobobo
bobobob2o$38bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$37b2obobobobobobobobobobobobo
b2o$38bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$37b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$
37b2obobobobobobobobobobobobob2o$40bobobobobobobobobobobobo$40bobobobo
bobobobobobobobo$40bobobobobobobobobobobobo$39b2obobobobobobobobobobob
2o$40bobobobobobobobobobobobo$41b2obobobobobobobobob2o$42bobobobobobob
obobobo$42bobobobobobobobobobo$41b2obobobobobobobobob2o$44bobobobobobo
bobo$43b2obobobobobobob2o$44bobobobobobobobo$44bobobobobobobobo$43b2ob
obobobobobob2o$46bobobobobobo$46bobobobobobo$46bobobobobobo$44bobobobo
bobobobo$45b2obobobobob2o$48bobobobo$48bobobobo$45b2obobobobob2o$48bob
obobo$47b2obobob2o$48bobobobo$47b2obobob2o$47b2obobob2o$50bobo$50bobo$
50bobo$49b2ob2o!
Given that both backs share a common connection point I may go back to earlier plan (searching a single joint more aggressively)...

EDIT: bad math, 27/5 = 5.4, not 5.2

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » May 21st, 2020, 5:32 pm

welcome to the world of grey ships!

http://pentadecathlon.com/lifeNews/2008 ... ships.html
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Post by dvgrn » May 21st, 2020, 5:51 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:32 pm
welcome in the world of grey ships!

http://pentadecathlon.com/lifeNews/2008 ... ships.html
Oops, that posting isn't classified correctly. It's under "Spaceships" but not under "Greyships & Spacefillers", in the LifeNews classification system. Are there any others like that?

Seems like it would make more sense to have a ZIP file containing subfolders for different speeds, and maybe an "incomplete" or "components" subfolder for each speed. Also possibly different subfolders for different directions of travel through zebra stripes, or different agars -- maybe "against the grain" counts as a different agar than "with the grain"?

With separate files for each ship, the pattern comments could give author, date, and source link (if there's an article or forum posting).

JP21's stamp collection is pretty cool too, though. I just wish it had labels. Maybe the next thing to invent will be an editor for LifeViewer labels that scans through directories and automatically drops patterns into a stamp collection, along with any labels from the comments. Then we'll just ("just"?) need some kind of Lua-overlay-based editor in Golly, that allows subpatterns to be dragged around and relabeled, and gives us the new LifeViewer comments for the adjustments.

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 21st, 2020, 6:22 pm

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
May 21st, 2020, 5:32 pm
welcome in the world of grey ships!

http://pentadecathlon.com/lifeNews/2008 ... ships.html
Hmm, what a wide world it already was 12 years ago... Sorry to waste people's time with already-known results again, but I'm having a hard time working out what's known. I thought I had read the pentadecathlon articles about greyships, but I seem to have lost state somewhere along the way. Can I at least get a verification that all period 6 and higher is wide open? Ditto 2c/5 perpendicular stripes? Has anyone looked at these yet?

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » May 22nd, 2020, 4:11 am

... I never got around organizing results in a better way, unfortunately.

C/3 is the one model case where grey ship components are abundant. My tries to make the search for components more popular didn‘t create much echo, so I reckoned they were not perceived as notable generally. Organizing results in the way you did is much better.
What is missing are very steep ascents and a way to create arbitrary wide fronts. I have posted a few of these, but my searches where not exhaustive at all. It should be noted that rectangular grey ships are impossible and there is a limit for the steepness of descending components

2c/4 is also searchable and gives tons of results, but those would need to be organized in a similar fashion than c/3.
Period 2 grey ships also exists, but descending components are surprisingly hard to find.

c/4 is harder to search, so fewer results, but quite some.

c/5 and 2c/5 are even harder, still over time I accumulated some results. I still lack any way to create arbitrary wide fronts that would be necessary for a rectangular style front.

Grey ships with periods >5 are not known. Only a few components are known that do not combine to each other.

The only speed with known against the grain grey ships is c/2, so 2c/5 and 2c/6 are still open. A few components are known, but they do not combine.

If you take the time and scan through Game if Life News, you can see most of the results we had pre 2008. Later I posted some on and off on specific topics in Some dedicated grey ship threads, and later in the spaceship discussion thread.

As you might have noted, I restarted searches for c/5 components in order to progress on c/5 grey stretchers. This turned up some new results but still no complete grey stretcher.

Also, no c/2 against the grain stretcher is known. I was working on that as well, but without much progress. Grey stretchers are closely related to grey ships, but results are scarce.

I‘ll add a few links later on. I still struggle how to do that with my iPad...

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Hunting » May 22nd, 2020, 11:42 pm

Can someone tell me how to set up WLS in order to find greyship components?

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 22nd, 2020, 11:50 pm

Thanks for laying it all out. It's a lot to process and I'll have to work through it bit by bit...
HartmutHolzwart wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 4:11 am
C/3 is the one model case where grey ship components are abundant. My tries to make the search for components more popular didn‘t create much echo, so I reckoned they were not perceived as notable generally. Organizing results in the way you did is much better.
What is missing are very steep ascents and a way to create arbitrary wide fronts. I have posted a few of these, but my searches where not exhaustive at all. It should be noted that rectangular grey ships are impossible and there is a limit for the steepness of descending components
JP21's collection has a repeatable c/3 front (24 columns wide, "symmetric", "centered" over gutters on both sides), or am I missing something about what you're saying with "arbitrary wide fronts"? I do notice that slope 0 backs are impossible and, as was surprising to me, not just for c/3 but for any speed <= c/2. I assume the more general result of a half plane of stripes only being possible to extend backwards with more grey stripes at any speed <= c/2 is also known (precludes e.g. <= c/2 perturbations traveling in a full plane of stripes). I'm curious about the limit on steepness of descending components. It's certainly believable but I'd love a reference. I'm starting to work through searches of descending N columns every M rows, although I assume this is well-trodden ground. So far there is only one result (6 columns every 6 rows) and it is crazy, crazy long:

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x = 36, y = 112, rule = B3/S23
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
o$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobob
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obobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobob
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obobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobob
obobobobobobobo$4bobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$b3o2bobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobo$2o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$2bo3bobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobobo$2o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobobobobo$ob5obobobobobobobobo
bobobobobobo$2bo7bobobobobobobobobobobobobo$b2o4b3o2bobobobobobobobobo
bobobo$o4b3o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobo$o3bo3bo3bobobobobobobobobobobob
o$4bob2o3bo2bobobobobobobobobobobo$2ob2obob5obobobobobobobobobobobo$2o
6bo7bobobobobobobobobobo$b2o4b2o4b3o2bobobobobobobobobo$3b4o4b3o3bo2bo
bobobobobobobo$3b4o3bo3bo3bobobobobobobobobo$10bob2o3bo2bobobobobobobo
bo$3bob3ob2obob5obobobobobobobobo$3bob3o6bo7bobobobobobobo$4obob2o4b2o
4b3o2bobobobobobo$bo7b4o4b3o3bo2bobobobobo$o8b4o3bo3bo3bobobobobobo$
16bob2o3bo2bobobobobo$3bo5bob3ob2obob5obobobobobo$2b3o4bob3o6bo7bobobo
bo$obob6obob2o4b2o4b3o2bobobo$3bo3bo7b4o4b3o3bo2bobo$3o3bo8b4o3bo3bo3b
obobo$o3bo17bob2o3bo2bobo$9bo5bob3ob2obob5obobo$o7b3o4bob3o6bo7bo$3b4o
bob6obob2o4b2o4b3o$3bobo3bo3bo7b4o4b3o3bo$2bo3b3o3bo8b4o3bo3bo$bobob2o
3bo17bob2o3bo$3b2o10bo5bob3ob2obob4o$3b4o7b3o4bob3o6bo$o8b4obob6obob2o
4b2o$3bo5bobo3bo3bo7b4o4bo$3bo4bo3b3o3bo8b4o3bo$3b3obobob2o3bo17bo$2ob
3o3b2o10bo5bob3ob2o$9b4o7b3o4bob3o$bo3b2o8b4obob6obob2o$2bo6bo5bobo3bo
3bo7b3o$9bo4bo3b3o3bo8b3o$9b3obobob2o3bo$5b3ob3o3b2o10bo5bobo$4bo10b4o
7b3o4bobo$b5obo3b2o8b4obob6obo$o3bo3bo6bo5bobo3bo3bo$o3bo10bo4bo3b3o3b
o$3bo11b3obobob2o3bo$bo9b3ob3o3b2o10bo$b2o7bo10b4o7b3o$2o5b5obo3b2o8b
4obob2o$3o3bo3bo3bo6bo5bobo3bo$3b4o3bo10bo4bo3b3o$3ob2o3bo11b3obobob2o
3bo$2o5bo9b3ob3o3b2o$7b2o7bo10b4o$6b2o5b5obo3b2o8b3o$6b3o3bo3bo3bo6bo
5bobo$2b3o4b4o3bo10bo4bo$bobob4ob2o3bo11b3obobobo$2bo3b2o5bo9b3ob3o3b
2o$13b2o7bo10b3o$12b2o5b5obo3b2o$12b3o3bo3bo3bo6bo$8b3o4b4o3bo10bo$7bo
bob4ob2o3bo11b3o$8bo3b2o5bo9b3ob3o$19b2o7bo$18b2o5b5obo3bo$18b3o3bo3bo
3bo$14b3o4b4o3bo$13bobob4ob2o3bo$14bo3b2o5bo9bo$25b2o7bo$24b2o5b5o$24b
3o3bo3bo$20b3o4b4o3bo$19bobob4ob2o3bo$20bo3b2o5bo$31b2o$30b2o$30b3o$
26b3o4b3o$25bobob4ob2o$26bo3b2o4$32b3o$31bobobo$32bo!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 23rd, 2020, 1:17 am

HartmutHolzwart wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 4:11 am
Also, no c/2 against the grain stretcher is known. I was working on that as well, but without much progress. Grey stretchers are closely related to grey ships, but results are scarce.
Some time back I went looking for c/2ish against-grain edges stripes for other reasons and came up with a whole lot of nothing. I organized my search by what the unmoving period would be since that's ultimately what stabilizing the end would be limited by. Unfortunately being restricted to be compatible with both 2c/4 and 0c/N for lowish N is fairly tough.

Also unfortunately various agars and wicks gum up the searches and so it's a mix of searches (a) starting with empty rows looking for stripes and (b) starting with stripes and searching for empty. Even so I gave up on some which thus only provide a lower bound on width of any possible edge.

2c/4:
period 1: no results (b)
period 2: no results (b)
period 3: no results (b)
period 4: no results (b)
period 5: no results (a)
period 6: no results (b)
period 7: no results (b)
period 8: no results (b)
period 9: no results (a)
period 10: no results (a)
period 11: no results (b)
period 12: no results (b, but stopped 20 rows in)
period 13: no results (b, but stopped 98 rows in)

The next multiple up which is compatible with stripes is 4c/8 which just seems hopeless (although has a very obvious period 1 edge). I had done some very weird prototype searches where the number of disagreements between generations 4 apart was limited per row (so the row was "close to being 2c/4"), but it was very, very slow and nothing ever came of it.

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by amling » May 23rd, 2020, 1:20 am

One of the things that came up when searching for those 2c/4-compatible stripe edges was a period 7 wick. It's easy enough to slap a [2c/4] front and back on, but I'm a little lost on searching for a period 7 anchor, at least with the limited tools on my belt.

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x = 28, y = 207, rule = B3/S23
7b3o2b4o2b3o$6bo3bob4obo3bo$5bo6bo2bo6bo$5bo3b2o6b2o3bo$7bo12bo$4bobo
14bobo$3b2obob3o6b3obob2o$2bobobo3bo6bo3bobobo$b2obo18bob2o$o3bo5b2o4b
2o5bo3bo2$2ob2o18b2ob2o2$bo3b3o12b3o3bo$bo5bo12bo5bo2$b2o4b2o10b2o4b2o
$o26bo$bo24bo$3b2o8b2o8b2o$4b2ob3ob2o2b2ob3ob2o$3bo3b3o8b3o3bo$8b3obo
2bob3o2$10b2o4b2o$10bo6bo$9bobo4bobo$10bo5bobo$12bo$12b4o$12b2o2bo$14b
o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$
15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$
11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2ob
o$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b
2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$
13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b
2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob
2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12b
ob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$
14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o
2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b
2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b
2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$
12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15b
o$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo
2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$
11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$13bo$12bob2o$12b2o2bo$15bo$12b2o$
12bob2o$12b2o2bo$14bo$12b2obo$11bo2b2o$12bo$14b2o$14b2o$14bo$13b2o!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » May 23rd, 2020, 9:17 am

Nice one!

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by Hunting » May 23rd, 2020, 9:23 am

Hunting wrote:
May 22nd, 2020, 11:42 pm
Can someone tell me how to set up WLS in order to find greyship components?

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Re: Spaceship Discussion Thread

Post by HartmutHolzwart » May 24th, 2020, 1:29 pm

Are you familiar with WLS 0.71 and Nicolay Beluchenkos WLS version?

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