Results of catalyst tests

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Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 1st, 2015, 11:53 am

I wrote:I personally think it would be thankful if you write a post on an existing topic instead of opening a new topic, but I'm not sure if others would agree with that.
I feel a little guilty for acting against my own words... But I thought this was something worth sharing. Well I'm planning to post results from another tl;dr utility I posted. Hopefully the results would be more interesting than the explanation.

So exactly what did I do?
1) I generated random soups.
2) I counted the number of unique perturbations.

EDIT: The word "unique" is kinda ambiguous now. I first filtered out reactions that are really trivial, like these:

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x = 33, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
16bo$15bo$15bo$15bo$16bobo$12bo4bo$8b2obobo$6bo2bob2o$6b2o2bo$11bobo$
12b2o4$3bo25bo$2bo27bo2$bo23bo5bo$24bo$24bo$o8b5o10bo7bo$25bobo$o8b5o
7bo4bo5bo$20bobo$20b2o$bo29bo2$2bo27bo$3bo25bo!
But now changed the source code to filter non-obvious duplicates like these, too:

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x = 19, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
2bo12bo$3b3o10b3o$3bo12bo2$b2obo2bo7b2o$2bob4o7b2o$obo$2o2b2o$5bo$4bo$
4b2o!
EDIT: Here's the results of the latest search as of Nov 29, 2015, with catalysts with a frequency > 0.1 in the preceding search.
The search was conducted in Nov 21st, I think.
I accidentally made a mistake on the spartan catalysts, and the transparent loaf contains noise of the "rock-tub" catalyses. Without it, the frequency should be around 0.1 (result from the preceding search.)

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x = 466, y = 192, rule = LifeHistory
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The search is run by perturbing the catalysts in the following list one by one.
The search counts the results not shown in the preceding catalysts.
(e.g. it counts the block_eater catalyses not exhibited by the spartan catalysts.)

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x = 193, y = 1314, rule = LifeHistory
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3A9.4D.D.2D9.D4.5D2.3D2.D.2D8.D3.D2.4D.D.2D9.4D.4D2.5D$2A3.C.C12.D3.D
.2D2.D3.D3.3D5.D3.D3.D.2D2.D7.D3.D.D3.D.2D2.D3.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D$A2.C.A
.3A10.D3.D.D7.D4.D6.D3.5D.D11.D3.D.D3.D.D7.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D$.4A.A3.A9.
D3.D.D7.D4.D6.D3.D5.D12.D.D2.D3.D.D7.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D$6.A2.2A10.4D.D7.
2D3.D7.2D2.4D.D5.5D3.D4.4D.D7.2D3.4D.D3.D4.2D$3.A.A$3.2A12$9.2A42.D$
10.A23.D17.2D$10.A.2A7.3D3.4D.5D2.3D2.D.2D3.D.D$9.2A2.A6.D3.D.D3.D3.D
3.D3.D.2D2.D.D2.D$6.C4.2A7.5D.D3.D3.D3.5D.D5.5D$6.2CACA9.D5.D3.D3.D3.
D5.D8.D$4.2C4.A10.4D2.4D4.2D2.4D.D8.D$5.C2.2A$5.A.A$A2.A.C.A$4A.2A$4.
A$2.A.A$2.2A7$8.2A14.D15.2D75.2D$8.A.A13.D9.D4.D2.D3.D41.D17.D11.D$
10.A10.4D.D.2D9.D4.5D2.3D2.D.2D8.D3.D2.4D.D.2D9.4D.4D2.5D9.D4.3D2.4D
3.3D$9.CA.2A6.D3.D.2D2.D3.D3.3D5.D3.D3.D.2D2.D7.D3.D.D3.D.2D2.D3.D3.D
3.D.D3.D3.D11.D3.D3.D.D3.D.D3.D$12.A7.D3.D.D7.D4.D6.D3.5D.D11.D3.D.D
3.D.D7.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D11.D3.D3.D.D3.D.D3.D$4.2C.4C.A7.D3.D.D7.D4.D6.D
3.D5.D12.D.D2.D3.D.D7.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D11.D3.D3.D.D3.D.D3.D$3.C.A.C3.A
9.4D.D7.2D3.D7.2D2.4D.D5.5D3.D4.4D.D7.2D3.4D.D3.D4.2D.5D3.2D3.3D2.D3.
D2.4D$3.A.C.C.2A127.D$.3A.C.A.A125.3D$A3.A.C.A2.A$2A2.A.A.A.2A$5.2A.A
$8.A$8.2A!
EDIT2: Here are the posts comparing the monomer and polymer forms of certain catalysts.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1878&p=24440#p24845
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1878&start=75#p25511

EDIT3: Here are the spartan and semispartan catalysts I use right now. I currently use the monomer form of the TWIT, and the less effective dimer form of the block+eater for the sake of clearence.

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http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1878&start=50#p25301
If anyone wants to test how often their favorite catalysts occur, suggestions are welcome here.
(But please don't post rubbish. And I can only test stable patterns.)
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by codeholic » November 1st, 2015, 3:48 pm

That's an interesting metric of how useful a certain catalyst can be on average. But why is the eater1 not in list?
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 1st, 2015, 6:59 pm

codeholic wrote:That's an interesting metric of how useful a certain catalyst can be on average. But why is the eater1 not in list?
I had to implement the scripts like this:

The 'control' group:
They are here to filter out uninteresting catalyses of a catalyst. For instance, if an opaque boat is in the control group, it will filter out non-unique interactions of a transparent boat or MikeP's catalyst (shown in the example above).
The 'experimental' group:
These are the list of catalysts that I would like to analyze.

The program works by running ptb2 and survive to both groups, and finding out which reactions of the 'experimental' group is not listed in the 'control' group. It works like this because I started this to compare rare catalysts. (I could just dump all the common catalysts into control that case.)

I currently have the opaque block and eater in the control group, as I already know they are really common. That's why they aren't in the list. (But I'm not sure how on earth did opaque catalyses were counted in the transparent block. Last time it only showed me transparent ones.)
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by A for awesome » November 1st, 2015, 8:01 pm

I would be interested to see the results for these catalysts:

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x = 118, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
69b2o$70bo$2o11b2o45b2o8bobo$o2bo9bo2bo43bo10b2o$2b2o11b2o2bo37b2obo
14b2o16bobobobo12bo$3bobobo8bobobo5bobobo6b2obo2bo3b2o3b2o3bob2ob2o10b
obo7bo7bob2ob2obo10bobo$bo2bob2o6bo2bob2o3b3ob2obo6bob4o3bo2bo2bo8bo2b
o8b2o7bobo6bo3bo3bo11bobo$b2obo9b2obo5bo7bo4bobo9b5o9bob2o5bo11b2obo6b
2obob2o4b2o3b3o2b3o$4bo12bo5b2o6b2o3b2ob3o21bo7b5o10bo8bobo6b2o2bo3b2o
3bo$4b2o11b2o20bo2bo7bo10bobo12bo9b2o7bobo10bob2o2b3o$39bobo7bobo9b2o
10b3o20bo12bo2bobo$40bo9bo22bo37bobo$112bo!
(BTS needs to be in the control group for the 4th catalyst)
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 1st, 2015, 8:07 pm

Thanks for the suggestions! The third one is what I call eater and hook with tail, with 'with' having higher precedence :) Unfortunately that one's a rock catalyst so it wasn't able to work in past searches. Luckily chris_c came up with an experimental version that seems to work with rocks, so I'll test with that.

Could you tell me how exactly the fourth one is different from BTS? Can it catalyze something that BTS can't?

This evening (about 10 hours later) I'll add the eater2, eater3, BTS, bookend to the control group and run the search again.
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by thunk » November 1st, 2015, 11:24 pm

What exactly is the "kazyan" in the catalyst enumeration? Because Kazyan's actual profile pic is a BTS.
Similarly for the "MikeP", does it refer to the snark catalyst, the AK-94 catalyst, or something else entirely?
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Kazyan » November 1st, 2015, 11:38 pm

At a guess and by process of elimination on the catalysts I've mentioned on the forum, probably this:

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x = 11, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
10bo$3b2o5bo$3bo4b2o$o4bo2bo$6o2bo$9bo$2b2o6bo$2bo$obo$2o!
And the catalyst most often mentioned alongside MikeP's name is this one:

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x = 12, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
11bo$2o2bo4b2o$o2bobo2bo$bob2o2bo$2bo4bo$3b2o2bo$4bo3bo$2bo6bo$2b2o6b
2o!
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 1st, 2015, 11:48 pm

@thunk @Kazyan Kazyan's right and I should have been clearer. Sorry about that. I named the second catalyst as MikeP because Sokwe named it "MikeP catalyst 2" in his version of 'catalysts' file long ago and I couldn't find an appropriate name. (Interestingly, MikeP's catalyst 1 was the BTS.)
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 2nd, 2015, 8:23 am

@A for awesome @Others who would like to suggest catalysts:
Could you post working examples for your suggestions? I have to determine the active site (and polymerize them if possible) but all I could find in the sources were these:

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x = 59, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
2C3.2C5.A22.A15.A.C.C.A$A2.C2.A5.3A19.A.A13.A.2A.2A.A$.5A9.A3.2A12.A.
A2.A11.A3.A3.A$14.AC4.A10.3A2.2A.C11.2A3.2A$.5A14.A.2A6.A3.2A3.C2.CA
9.3A$A2.C2.A10.CA.A.A8.3A2.2AC3.CA7.2A3.2A$2C3.2C9.C.A.A.A10.A.A14.A
3.A3.A$16.2C3.A12.C.C13.A.2A.2A.A$35.C15.A.C.C.A!
And I'd like to hear what you would like to call them, as my arbitrary naming sense is not good :?

Okay, I have tested chris_c's new fork with support for rocks and it works great. However, there's a side effect (which I was worrying that it would happen) which is that the rare catalysts have all sorts of snakial rock catalyses in the result.

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#C A typical example. The beehive_with_tail_thing catalyst has dozens of these.
x = 14, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo$o4b4o$7o$2o4b2o$b2o2b3obo$o4b2o$6bobo$b2o2b2o$3o3b4o$bo2bo2b
3o5$12bo$11bobo$11bobo$8bo3bo$8b4o2$8b4o$8bo3bo$11bobo$11bobo$12bo!
(I forgot to say that the beehive_tail in the census is this, rather than the one used in syringe. Sorry again.)
Shouldn't that be filtered with the eater? Yep. It was supposed to be filtered by an eater, but the current duplicate filtering mechanism of ptbsearch is rather crude. Practically it can only eliminate duplicates of e.g. a block and a transparent block. I'll ask chris if he can do something about it...
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by A for awesome » November 2nd, 2015, 9:46 am

Scorbie wrote:@A for awesome @Others who would like to suggest catalysts:
Could you post working examples for your suggestions? I have to determine the active site (and polymerize them if possible) but all I could find in the sources were these:

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x = 59, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
2C3.2C5.A22.A15.A.C.C.A$A2.C2.A5.3A19.A.A13.A.2A.2A.A$.5A9.A3.2A12.A.
A2.A11.A3.A3.A$14.AC4.A10.3A2.2A.C11.2A3.2A$.5A14.A.2A6.A3.2A3.C2.CA
9.3A$A2.C2.A10.CA.A.A8.3A2.2AC3.CA7.2A3.2A$2C3.2C9.C.A.A.A10.A.A14.A
3.A3.A$16.2C3.A12.C.C13.A.2A.2A.A$35.C15.A.C.C.A!
And I'd like to hear what you would like to call them, as my arbitrary naming sense is not good :?
Here are example reactions for all but one of the remainder:

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x = 88, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$7b2o10bo16bo$7bo11bobo13bob2o44bo$2o11b2o4b2o15b2o22b2o2b2o18bobo
$o2bo9bo2bo19bo23bo3bo2bo15b2obo$2b2o11b2o2bo37b2obo4b3o$3bobobo8bobob
o16b2obo2bo13bob2ob2o20bo$bo2bob2o6bo2bob2o17bob4o18bo2bo17bobo$b2obo
9b2obo18bobo23bob2o17b2obo$4bo12bo18b2ob3o21bo22bo$4b2o11b2o20bo2bo18b
obo22b2o$39bobo19b2o$40bo!
I couldn't find an actual catalysis for the BTS variant, so I posted the closest thing I've found.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 2nd, 2015, 12:16 pm

Scorbie wrote:Okay, I have tested chris_c's new fork with support for rocks and it works great. However, there's a side effect (which I was worrying that it would happen) which is that the rare catalysts have all sorts of snakial rock catalyses in the result.
Solved that problem! Now will add A for awesome's favorites and run them.
A for awesome wrote:I couldn't find an actual catalysis for the BTS variant, so I posted the closest thing I've found.
I get what you mean! Actually I was comparing variants of BTSs, so I'll try to put yours into comparison as well as the census.
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 4th, 2015, 12:18 am

Ran 2000 soups and fixed everything I could. Here's the result:
(Please note that these are relative values. The precise meaning of these values are: The expected number of unique catalyses per 10x10 soup where the catalyst is allowed to react from gen 18 to gen 50.)
EDIT: The 0.0735 is the form suggested by A for awesome, which allows yet another cell to the catalytic region. Unfortunately the reactions are mostly from reduced steric hindrance, so it doesn't reflect the author's intention.

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#C [[ VIEWONLY ]]
x = 234, y = 121, rule = B3/S23
12bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo24bobobo2bo3bo2bo3bo31bo2bobobo2bobobo2bo
bobo28bobobo2bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo24bobobo2bo2bobobo2bobobo$b2o$obo9bo
10bo2bo3bo2bo15bo2bobo2bo8bo2bo3bo2bo3bo21bobobo5bo6bo6bo2bo21bo10bo3b
o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo19b2o7bo3bo2bo2bo3bo2bo$2o47b4ob4o42b3ob2obo42bobob2o
46bo2bo$12bobobo6bo2bobobo2bobobo15bo8bobobo2bobobo2bobobo18bo7bo4bo6b
o6bo2bobobo17b2obo2bo4bo3bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo14bo2bo6bo3bo2bo2bobob
o2bobobo$3b2o46bobo2b2o41b2o6b2o44bo2b2o45b2o$3bo12bo6bo2bo3bo6bo13b2o
3b2o4bo10bo6bo31bo6bo6bo6bo16bobo9bo3bo6bo6bo6bo24bo3bo2bo6bo6bo$4b3o
143b2o$6bo2bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo2bobobo21bo2bobobo6bo6bo28bo2bo6bo6bo2bo
bobo25bo2bobobo2bobobo6bo2bobobo21bo2bobobo2bo2bobobo2bobobo6$12bobobo
2bobobo2bobobo31bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo24bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo
28bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo24bobobo2bo2bo$151b2obo2bo$12bo10bo2bo3bo
21bo13bo6bo6bo2bo16bo2bo2b2o4bo6bo2bo6bo22bob4o4bo3bo6bo6bo2bo18bo9bo
3bo2bo2bo$3bo47bobo46b4o3bo42bobo48bobo$2bobo7bobobo6bo2bobobo21bobo7b
obobo2bobobo6bo2bobobo16b3o5bo6bo2bobobo2bobobo16b2ob3o6bo3bo6bo2bobob
o2bobobo13b2obo7bo3bo2bo2bo$3b2o49bo47bobo48bo2bo47bo$16bo6bo2bo3bo23b
2o6bo10bo6bo6bo14b2o8bo6bo2bo3bo6bo19bobo6bo3bo6bo6bo6bo16b2o6bo3bo2bo
2bo$154bo$9bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo28bo2bobobo2bobobo6bo2bobobo21bo2bo6bo2b
obobo2bobobo25bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo2bobobo21bo2bobobo2bo2bo6$12bobobo2bo
bobo2bo26bo8bobobo2bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo64bo9bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo
$o2bo48bobo96bobo$4o8bo10bo2bo23bo2bobo10bo6bo2bo3bo2bo67bobo8bo3bo2bo
10bo2bo$6bo42bob2o2b3o94bo3bo$2b5o5bobobo2bobobo2bo18b2o2bo3b2o3bo3bob
obo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo65b4o5bo3bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo$2bo42b2o3b3o2b3o$
4bo11bo6bo2bo26bobo6bo10bo6bo6bo67b2o5bo3bo6bo6bo6bo$3b2o47bobo100b2o$
9bo2bobobo2bobobo2bo26bo5bo2bobobo2bobobo6bo2bobobo71bo2bobobo2bobobo
6bo2bobobo6$12bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo2bobobo24bobobo2bobobo2bobobo31bo2bo3bo
2bobobo2bobobo28bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo2bobobo$150b2o3b2o$12bo3bo2bo3bo2bo
3bo2bo17bo14bo6bo6bo22b2o7bo2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo20bo2bo2bo5bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3b
o2bo$3bo46bobobob2o44bo2bo45b5o$2bobo7bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo11bob
2ob2obo4bobobo2bobobo2bobobo22b2o7bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo28bo3bo2bobob
o2bobobo2bobobo$3bo45bo103bo$16bo6bo6bo6bo10b2o12bo10bo2bo35bo6bo2bo3b
o6bo18bobo7bo3bo6bo2bo3bo6bo$153bo$9bo6bo6bo6bo2bobobo21bo2bobobo2bobo
bo2bobobo28bo2bo6bo2bobobo2bobobo25bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo2bobobo6$12bo3bo
2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo24bobobo2bobobo2bobobo81bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo2bobob
o$50bobobobo$12bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo15bob2ob2obo8bo2bo3bo6bo81bo3bo2bo
3bo6bo2bo$bobo45bo3bo3bo95bo$b2obo7bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo12b2obob
2o5bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo71bobo7bo3bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo$4bo47bobo98b2o
$4b2o10bo2bo3bo2bo3bo6bo14bobo7bo6bo3bo6bo81bo3bo6bo2bo10bo$53bo$9bo6b
o2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo21bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo78bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo2b
obobo6$12bo3bo2bobobo2bobobo31bo2bobobo2bobobo35bo2bobobo2bo3bo35bobob
o2bo3bo2bo2bobobo$56b2o93b2o3bo$12bo3bo6bo2bo27bo2bo4bo2bo3bo2bo39bo6b
o2bo3bo24bobobobo4bo3bo2bo3bo2bo2bo$2b2o47bo2b2o47b2o47b2obobo$2bobob
2o4bobobo2bobobo2bobobo19bobobo7bo2bobobo2bobobo26b2o7bo2bobobo2bobobo
28bob2o3bo3bo2bobobo2bo2bobobo$obob2obo42b2obo2bo92b2o4bo$2o14bo2bo10b
o22bob2o5bo6bo2bo3bo35bo2bo10bo23bo3b2o6bo3bo6bo2bo6bo$53bo93b3o$9bo6b
o2bobobo2bobobo21b2o5bo2bo2bobobo2bobobo32bo2bo2bobobo6bo20bo11bo2bobo
bo6bo2bo2bobobo6$62bo2bobobo2bobobo85bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2$52bo2bo6bo
2bo3bo2bo89bo3bo6bo6bo$52b4o96b2o$62bo2bobobo2bobobo75bobo7bo3bo2bobob
o2bobobo$52b4o97b2o$52bo2bo6bo6bo6bo85bo3bo6bo6bo2$59bo2bo2bobobo2bobo
bo82bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo6$12bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo24bo2bobobo
2bobobo2bobobo28bo2bobobo2bobobo35bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo$51b2o$
16bo2bo3bo2bo6bo15bo2bo9bo2bo3bo6bo2bo21b2o9bo2bo3bo2bo28b2ob2o6bo3bo
6bo2bo3bo2bo$4bo44b2obobo46bobo47bo3bo$bobobo6bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo2bobo
bo14bob3o5bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo19bo8bo2bo3bo2bobobo25b3o7bo3bo2bobobo2bo
bobo2bobobo$b2o2bo46bo4bo44bo51bobo$5b2o9bo2bo3bo6bo6bo13b2o3b2o4bo2bo
3bo6bo6bo19b3o6bo2bo3bo6bo28b2o5bo3bo2bo6bo3bo6bo$105bo$9bo2bobobo2bob
obo2bobobo2bobobo21bo2bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo25bo2bo2bobobo2bobobo32bo2bob
obo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo6$50b2o2b2o6bo2bobobo2bo3bo2bobobo28bobobo2bob
obo2bobobo2bobobo24bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo$48bo2bo3bo100b2o$48b3o
4bob2o3bo2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo32bo3bo2bo3bo2bo6bo20bo2bo4bo3bo6bo2bo6bo$52b
2ob2obo44b2o49b2o$50bo2bo8bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo18bo2bo6bo3bo2bobobo
2bobobo2bobobo12bobobo7bo3bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo$50b2obo48bobo45b2obo
2bo$52bo9bo2bo3bo6bo6bo19bo8bo3bo6bo2bo3bo6bo15bob2o5bo3bo2bo6bo3bo6bo
$52bobo98bo$53b2o4bo2bo2bobobo6bo2bobobo25bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobo
bo14b2o5bo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo2bobobo!
I showed you the pictures first because I don't have a flair at naming catalysts.
Here's the census if you are interested. The #comments are the catalyses not filtered by the control group in the original search. I filtered them later.

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(2000 soups)
1157 uniq_ship_eater
1156 uniq_boat
1062 uniq_bookendlike_table
977 uniq_tub
889 uniq_hook_with_tail
850 uniq_dual_eater
611 uniq_long_hook_with_tail
488 uniq_table_table        # -hook_with_tail
475 uniq_twit               # -boat
469 uniq_pi_splitter        # -boat
464 uniq_gourmet
406 uniq_edgy_b_to_g        # -eater_hook_with_tail, strangely not filtered
392 uniq_awesome_2          # -glider eating rxns... Not sure how many.
390 uniq_table
375 uniq_kazyan
369 uniq_awesome_3
355 uniq_eater_hook_with_tail
353 uniq_eater_table
297 uniq_transp_hive
248 uniq_transp_block
210 uniq_reflector_hook
193 uniq_transp_loaf
189 uniq_mikep              # -boat
147 uniq_awesome_bts        # -table
115 uniq_beehive_tail
97 uniq_long_dock
85 uniq_transp_boat         # -boat
83 uniq_ship_eater_variant  # -ship_eater
66 uniq_ship
57 uniq_dead_spark_coil
53 uniq_awesome_1_rock      # 28 out of 81 were trivial, filtered it out manually.
39 uniq_transp_pond
22 uniq_boat_with_tail
Some minor glitches:
1) edgy_b_to_g (the one with frequency 0.203) contained some eater_hook_with_tail catalyses, but I couldn't filter them with the current program. I'm not sure why.
2) A for awesome's BTS has 147 unique reactions, but most of them are there because his/her form has less steric hindrance, not because of the extra cell that can be off.
3) For an unknown reason, filtering the boat from the transparent boat didn't work. I thought it made sense to just subtract the numbers, so I did. (uniq_transp_boat had 1241 reactions, and uniq_boat had 1156 reactions. So I just did 1241-1156 as running the search with filters made no solutions.) But it seems that the numbers are too small... I don't know :roll:
4) The tub is definitely undercount, because I added the "rock tub" to the control group. I was worried that pointy catalyst would make use of their pointy edge to do the "rock tub" catalysis. I really don't regret doing that, as I would have done twice more work filtering if it weren't for the rock tub control.

For people who are interested, here's the collection of all unique catalyses. Here you can see some amusing things, like a transparent pond working. If you see something strange, post a reply.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B057ay ... sp=sharing

Lastly, here are the exotic names and their relative frequencies in the picture:
I'll appreciate it if anyone can come up with a good name for any of the catalysts.
table_table 0.244
pi_splitter 0.2345
edgy_b_to_g 0.203
awesome_2 0.196
kazyan 0.1875
awesome_3 0.1845
0.124 is the transparent block, by the way.
reflector_hook 0.105
mikep 0.0945
awesome_BTS 0.0735
beehive_tail 0.0575 (I think I should rename it to beehive_tail_thing.)
long_dock 0.0485
and again, 0.0425 is the transparent boat.
ship_eater_variant 0.0415
awesome_1_rock 0.0265
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by A for awesome » November 4th, 2015, 6:53 pm

Okay... This is now my absolute favorite catalysis:

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x = 23, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
16b2ob4o$15b2ob3o$13bo2b5o$14bo2b2obo$14b2o2b3obo$2o3b2o9b3o2bo$obobob
o6bob3o4bo$2bobo13b4o$b2ob2o8bobo2b3o$2bobo10b3o3bo$obobobo$2o3b2o!
Edit: oops:

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x = 19, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
o3bo2bo$o3bobo2bo$obobob2o$b2o3bo$2ob2obo2bo$4b2ob3o$6obo$2o3b4o$bo2b
2obo$2bo2b5o3b2o$13b2o3$14b2o$13bo2bo$13bobo$11bobobobo$10bobobobobo$
11bo2bo2bo$12b2ob2o$13bobo$13bobo$14bo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by M. I. Wright » November 4th, 2015, 7:14 pm

Interesting, that second one does exactly what Tropylium asks about here.
Here's an attempt at reducing it:

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x = 8, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2b2o3$o2b2o$2bo2bo$2bobo$obobobo$2obobobo$3bobobo$3bo2bo$2b2o!
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 4th, 2015, 7:29 pm

Huh, that's pretty interesting. And @A for Awesome aren't there hundreds of results there? You must have put a lot of effort analyzing the results.
I remembered something similar, but it's deletion instead of addition:

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x = 16, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$3b2o3bobo$3bo3b2obob2o$2obobo2bobob2o$obobob2o2bo$2bobobo3bo
$2b2o3b3o2$7b5o$12bob2o$9b2obob2o$10bobo$10bobo$11bo!
From this post:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1651&p=17939#p17936

Here are oscillators playing with that still life.

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x = 46, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
bo2bo2bo$b7o2bo$8b3o$3b2obo$2bo3b3o$2bobo4bo$b2o2bob2obo$2bobo3bobo$2b
ob2obo2b2o18bo4bo$b2o4bobo18b2ob4ob2o$3bobobobo20bo4bo$3bobobob2o$2obo
4bo5b2o25b2o$o2b2obobo5b2o25b2o$2bo3bob2o$3b4o21b3o4b3o$7b2o2b2o2b2o9b
6o2b6o2b2o$3b4o7bo2bo10b3o4b3o3bo2bo$3bo2bob2o4bobo24bobo$8bo3bobobobo
20bobobobo$6bobo3b2o3b2o20b2o3b2o$6b2o!
With a slightly more reduced bounding box and population. the hook can be turned the other way. EDIT: optimized using gmc_nxtman's optimization.
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by gmc_nxtman » November 4th, 2015, 7:57 pm

A snorkel loop with hook will work just as well:

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x = 23, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
bo$o13b2o2bo$o13bo$b3o3b2o6b3o3b2o$4bo2b2o9bo2b2o$b2obo10b2obo$o2bo10b
o2bo$2o12b2o!
This is also part of a known glider eater:

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x = 14, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
8bo$3b2o2bo$3bo3b3o$2obo$o2bob2o$2b2obo$6b3o3b2o$9bo2b2o$6b2obo$5bo2bo
$5b2o!

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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by A for awesome » November 4th, 2015, 8:38 pm

Scorbie wrote:@A for Awesome aren't there hundreds of results there? You must have put a lot of effort analyzing the results.
No, actually, I haven't. I just looked through the first few for each catalyst, and checked to see if they had any potential. I think that the modified table, the long dock, and the pi splitter have the most potential out of the catalysts I don't see very often. The long dock does often leave still lives attached to it; is there any way to filter those out?

Edit: A possibly useful almost-transparent loaf:

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x = 9, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2bo3b2o$3bobo2bo$3bo2bobo$b2o4bo2$o!
Last edited by A for awesome on November 4th, 2015, 8:50 pm, edited 1 time in total.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 4th, 2015, 8:42 pm

A for awesome wrote:The long dock does often leave still lives attached to it; is there any way to filter those out?
Well, I'm pretty sure it's possible, but not sure if it's worth it. There aren't too many cases of that are there? (I recall seeing about 10 of them) Also, it would discard solutions to e.g. something like this:

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#C pseudo_bangbang() would blast off a potential g2 receiver, if there are any.
x = 31, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
ob2ob2o3b3o$2obobobo2bo$6bo4bo2$13b2o$13bobo$13bo4bo2$15bo4bo2$17bo4bo
2$19bo4bo2$21bo4bo2$23bo4bo2$25bo4bo!
gmc_nxtman wrote:A snorkel loop with hook will work just as well:

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x = 23, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
bo$o13b2o2bo$o13bo$b3o3b2o6b3o3b2o$4bo2b2o9bo2b2o$b2obo10b2obo$o2bo10b
o2bo$2o12b2o!
Huh, cool! Why didn't I see that?
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Kazyan » November 5th, 2015, 6:24 am

I'd like to propose this catalyst for testing:

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x = 12, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
9bo$9bobo$9b2o$2o$o2bob2o$b3obobo$5bobo2bo$3b3ob4o$2bo3bo$2b2o2bobo$7b
2o!
It can usually do the job of an Eater 3, but it has a long and strange recovery sequence that puts it through a destruction chokepoint. This means that sometimes it can catalyze something in unusual ways:

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#C Doesn't actually affect this reaction, but it gets the point across.
x = 15, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$5bobo$b2o2bo6b2o$bobob2o5b2o$3bo$3b4o$b2o3bo$o2b3o6b2o$2obo8bobo$
3bo8bobo$3b2o8bo!
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 5th, 2015, 7:25 am

That's one of my favorites, too! I first saw these at dr (the double signal to thumb I found also has a similar structure :) ) And similar derivatives keep showing up. Like in the snark. You don't mind if I compare that directly to the eater 2, do you? By the way, it has a compact dimer.

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x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$5b2obo2bo$4bobob3o$4bobo$2b3ob5o$bo3bo4bo$b4o2bo$4bob2o$b2obo$2b
obo$obob2o$2o!
Okay, I just ran a 1000 soup search and it's piled with unique results. (Seriously. 1.5M of unique results so I couldn't count.) I'm rerunning the search with 50 soups. Will come back in a minute.

Came back. The program cannot filter out duplicates. I'll try to figure out why.
Okay. It was because the drifting catalyst takes too long to recover.
After inspection of the code, I found out that survive cannot filter reactions correctly for catalysts that take more than 10 gens.
You should probably change the source code to work with this catalyst with ptbsearch.
Specifically, in survive.c:89

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        if (firstgen == 0) { firstgen = i; maxgen = i + restorefilter + 10; }
The '10' here should be more than the drifter's recovery time. Change it to about 16 (the drifter's recovery time is typically 14 but just to be safe)
Oh, when you recompile, gcc might use the old *.o files. (You could probably figure out when looking at the progress on the console) So be sure to remove the past object files if it does.
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 5th, 2015, 11:09 am

Congrats to Kazyan: the catalyst you suggested is really versatile, even considering the overlap of the eater3. 68 unique drifter catalyst reactions in 50 soups. I haven't checked much, but these probably cannot be done with the eater3.

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x = 667, y = 590, rule = B3/S23
2b3o2b2o85b2o73b2o79b2o78b2o81b2o65bo6bobo77bo6bobo74bo6bobo$4obob3o
80b2obobo73bobob2o71b2obobo73b2obo2bo81bobob2o62bo3b2ob2o78bo3b2ob2o
75bo3b2ob2o$bo2b3o84bobo77bobo73bobo74bobob3o84bobo62b2ob3obo79b2ob3ob
o76b2ob3obo$2bo3bob2o81bob2o75b2obo73bob2o3b2o2b6o60bobo87b2obo62bo2bo
b4o78bo2bob4o75bo2bob4o$b3o5bo78b2obo81bob2o67b2obo8bobo2bo60b3ob5o86b
ob2o59b3ob2o81b3ob2o78b3ob2o$2o2bob4o78bo2b4o75b4o2bo67bo2b4o4bob4o60b
o3bo4bo83b4o2bo59b2obobo2bo78b2obobo2bo75b2obobo2bo$2obo2bob2o75bo4bo
3bo75bo3bo4bo61bo4bo3bo3b2o2b2obo59b4o2bo86bo3bo4bo56b2o2b6o77b2o2b6o
74b2o2b6o$b2o3b2obo75b5ob3o77b3ob5o61b5ob3o4bobobo2b3o60bob2o87b3ob5o
56b2obo3bo79b2obo3bo76b2obo3bo$obo3b2o81bobo81bobo69bobo6bo2bo2bo2bo
57b2obo17b2o2b2o69bobo61b2o2bo82b2o2bo79b2o2bo$bo2b2o2bo7b2o67b3obobo
81bobob3o61b3obobo8bo5b2o58bobo15b5o72bobob3o58b2o2b4o79b2o2b4o76b2o2b
4o$11b2obo2bo66bo2bob2o83b2obo2bo59bo2bob2o7b2ob3obo58bobob2o14bo2bo2b
ob2o68b2obo2bo$10bobob3o67b2o93b2o59b2o17b3o58b2o20b2o3bobo52b2o2b2o
15b2o$10bobo242bo4bo2bo76b7o2bo50b5o$8b3ob5o323b3o6bo50bo2bo2bob2o86b
2o$7bo3bo4bo323b3ob2ob2o53b2o3bobo81b2obo2bo$7b4o2bo68b3o2b2o73b3o2b2o
172b3o2bobo51b7o2bo80bobob3o$10bob2o66b4obob3o70b4obob3o170b2ob2o2bo
52b3o6bo80bobo$7b2obo70bo2b3o74bo2b3o174b2ob4o52b3ob2ob2o79b3ob5o$8bob
o71bo3bob2o72bo3bob2o231b3o2bobo78bo3bo4bo$6bobob2o69b3o5bo71b3o5bo
230b2ob2o2bo79b4o2bo$6b2o72b2o2bob4o70b2o2bob4o231b2ob4o82bob2o66b2o
78b2o$80b2obo2bob2o70b2obo2bob2o317b2obo69bo2bob2o73bo2bob2o$81b2o3b2o
bo71b2o3b2obo318bobo70b3obobo73b3obobo$80bobo3b2o72bobo3b2o318bobob2o
73bobo77bobo$81bo2b2o2bo72bo2b2o2bo317b2o73b5ob3o71b5ob3o$561bo4bo3bo
70bo4bo3bo$564bo2b4o73bo2b4o$564b2obo76b2obo$567bob2o76bob2o$567bobo
77bobo$566b2obobo74b2obobo$570b2o78b2o49$10b2o89bo6bobo49bo2b3o3bo94bo
2b3o3bo56b2o79bob3o2b2o60b2o3bo2b2o71b2o3bobo72b2o3bobo$6b2obobo90bo3b
2ob2o51bo2bob2o97bo2bob2o53b2obobo81bob2ob2o61b2obobo75b4o2b2o72b4o2b
2o$7bobo91b2ob3obo51b2obo2b2obo94b2obo2b2obo53bobo83b2ob5o60bob2o3b2o
70b2ob2obob2o70b2ob2obob2o$7bob2o90bo2bob4o50bobo4b3o94bobo4b3o53bob2o
80bobob5o61b3o2b4o70b2o2bo4bo70b2o2bo4bo$4b2obo82b2o9b3ob2o54b2ob2o2b
2o95b2ob2o2b2o50b2obo84b2ob2o3bo59b3o4bobo71b4obobo72b4obobo$4bo2b4o
75b2obobo9b2obobo2bo51bobobo99bobobo54bo2b4o15bo2b3o3bo55b2obo2b4o60b
2o2b2o74b3o2b2obo71b3o2b2obo$bo4bo3bo76bobo11b2o2b6o49bo4bo74b2o22bo4b
o51bo4bo3bo17bo2bob2o56bo2bob2o62b5o2bobo73bob4o74bob4o$b5ob3o77bob2o
10b2obo3bo51b2o3bo74bo2bob2o17b2o3bo51b5ob3o16b2obo2b2obo55bob2o3b2o
61bo3bobobo74bobob2o74bobob2o$5bobo76b2obo14b2o2bo53b2ob2ob3o72b3obobo
16b2ob2ob3o52bobo18bobo4b3o55bob2o3bo61b4obo74bo2b7o70bo2b7o$b3obobo
76bo2b4o12b2o2b4o49b2o2bob3o76bobo16b2o2bob3o48b3obobo19b2ob2o2b2o55b
3o5b2o60bobob2ob2o71bob3obobo71bob3obobo$o2bob2o74bo4bo3bo150b5ob3o70b
o2bob2o20bobobo$2o79b5ob3o90b2o59bo4bo3bo69b2o24bo4bo151b2o$85bobo87b
2obo2bo62bo2b4o95b2o3bo48b2o96b2obo2bo75b2o$10bo6bobo61b3obobo86bobob
3o63b2obo98b2ob2ob3o45bo2bob2o90bobob3o71b2obo2bo$11bo3b2ob2o60bo2bob
2o87bobo70bob2o95b2o2bob3o46b3obobo89bobo74bobob3o59b2o$10b2ob3obo62b
2o90b3ob5o66bobo155bobo87b3ob5o70bobo63bo2bob2o$10bo2bob4o152bo3bo4bo
65b2obobo149b5ob3o84bo3bo4bo68b3ob5o60b3obobo$10b3ob2o155b4o2bo72b2o
149bo4bo3bo83b4o2bo70bo3bo4bo64bobo$10b2obobo2bo155bob2o226bo2b4o86bob
2o70b4o2bo63b5ob3o$10b2o2b6o151b2obo229b2obo86b2obo76bob2o63bo4bo3bo$
10b2obo3bo154bobo232bob2o84bobo73b2obo69bo2b4o$11b2o2bo154bobob2o231bo
bo83bobob2o73bobo69b2obo$12b2o2b4o150b2o234b2obobo81b2o75bobob2o71bob
2o$410b2o158b2o75bobo$646b2obobo$650b2o55$3obobobo72bobo2bo2bo77bobo2b
o2bo64b2o88b2o68b4ob2obo81b2o74b2o82b2o$2o2bo2b2o75b4obo80b4obo64bo2bo
b2o79b2obobo72bobo79b2obobo74bobob2o73b2obo2bo$3obob3o71b4ob4o77b4ob4o
66b3obobo79bobo77bobo77bobo78bobo73bobob3o$b5o75b2o2bo2bo78b2o2bo2bo
70bobo79bob2o69b3obob4o77bob2o76b2obo73bobo$bob5obo70bobobob4o76bobobo
b4o65b5ob3o74b2obo72bo4bo3bo74b2obo82bob2o68b3ob5o$o5bobo71b2o2bo81b2o
2bo70bo4bo3bo73bo2b4o69b2ob5obo74bo2b4o76b4o2bo67bo3bo4bo$2o3b4o71bo2b
ob2obo77bo2bob2obo69bo2b4o9bobo2bo2bo52bo4bo3bo69bo4bobobo71bo4bo3bo
76bo3bo4bo64b4o2bo$2b3ob2obo71bo2bo4bo77bo2bo4bo68b2obo15b4obo52b5ob3o
70bo4b2o74b5ob3o78b3ob5o67bob2o$b3o5bo70b4o3bo78b4o3bo73bob2o8b4ob4o
57bobo72bobobob2obo75bobo82bobo68b2obo$bo6b2o73bo4bo80bo4bo72bobo10b2o
2bo2bo53b3obobo72b2ob2o2bobo71b3obobo82bobob3o65bobo$246b2obobo7bobobo
b4o51bo2bob2o153bo2bob2o84b2obo2bo62bobob2o$250b2o7b2o2bo56b2o158b2o
94b2o62b2o$259bo2bob2obo$90b2o168bo2bo4bo$85b2obo2bo68b2o97b4o3bo$84bo
bob3o69bo2bob2o95bo4bo292b4ob2obo$84bobo74b3obobo396bobo76b5o2bo$82b3o
b5o74bobo399bobo71bob5o$81bo3bo4bo70b5ob3o323b4ob2obo58b3obob4o71b3o3b
2o$81b4o2bo73bo4bo3bo326bobo60bo4bo3bo71b2ob4o$84bob2o76bo2b4o329bobo
57b2ob5obo71bobo2bo3bo$2o79b2obo79b2obo325b3obob4o57bo4bobobo74bo2bo2b
o$o2bob2o75bobo82bob2o241b2o79bo4bo3bo57bo4b2o74bobo2bo$b3obobo72bobob
2o81bobo237b2obo2bo79b2ob5obo57bobobob2obo71b3o2b2o2bo$5bobo72b2o84b2o
bobo154bobo2bo2bo71bobob3o80bo4bobobo57b2ob2o2bobo71bob2o2bobo$b5ob3o
160b2o157b4obo71bobo84bo4b2o141bob2ob5o$bo4bo3bo314b4ob4o70b3ob5o80bob
obob2obo$4bo2b4o315b2o2bo2bo69bo3bo4bo80b2ob2o2bobo$4b2obo317bobobob4o
68b4o2bo$7bob2o314b2o2bo76bob2o$7bobo315bo2bob2obo69b2obo$6b2obobo314b
o2bo4bo69bobo$10b2o313b4o3bo69bobob2o$328bo4bo68b2o47$10b2o68bo3bobob
2o84bo3bobob2o70b2o76b2o88b2o2bobo59b2o77b2o81b2o$6b2obobo71b5obo80b2o
5b5obo70bobob2o72bobob2o84bo5bobo57bobob2o73bobob2o73b2obobo$7bobo77bo
78b2obobo9bo74bobo75bobo88bob2o61bobo76bobo75bobo$7bob2o69bo2bo83bobo
4bo2bo77b2obo74b2obo73b2o10bo2bo2bob2o57b2obo75b2obo75bob2o$4b2obo74b
3o2bo79bob2o5b3o2bo76bob2o74bob2o66b2obobo10b5ob2obo60bob2o75bob2o69b
2obo$4bo2b4o69bobo2b3o76b2obo6bobo2b3o58bo3bobob2o5b4o2bo71b4o2bo67bob
o16b3ob2o57b4o2bo72b4o2bo69bo2b4o$bo4bo3bo71bobo3b2o74bo2b4o5bobo3b2o
59b5obo5bo3bo4bo68bo3bo4bo64bob2o11b3o3bo2bo57bo3bo4bo69bo3bo4bo63bo4b
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obo79bobob3o58bo3bo$13b3ob5o75bobo60b6obo$12bo3bo4bo73b3ob5o56b4o2bob
2o$12b4o2bo75bo3bo4bo56b2ob4obo$15bob2o75b4o2bo$12b2obo81bob2o$13bobo
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2o$321b2ob4obo!
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 5th, 2015, 11:21 am

@A_for_awesome Apologies for making that BTS comparison late. That kinda takes some time as I have a lot of variants to compare with.
A for awesome wrote:
Scorbie wrote:@A for Awesome aren't there hundreds of results there? You must have put a lot of effort analyzing the results.
No, actually, I haven't. I just looked through the first few for each catalyst, and checked to see if they had any potential. I think that the modified table, the long dock, and the pi splitter have the most potential out of the catalysts I don't see very often.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'potential' reactions. Could you elaborate?
I personally think that the more catalysts occur, the more effective it is. Still, I pretty much decided not to be too sure about everything unless I really know. So believe yourself.
(This change of mind is due to seeing the census results.It was pretty surprising to me, especially the exotic looking ones that are common.)
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by A for awesome » November 5th, 2015, 5:16 pm

Scorbie wrote:@A_for_awesome Apologies for making that BTS comparison late. That kinda takes some time as I have a lot of variants to compare with.
A for awesome wrote:
Scorbie wrote:@A for Awesome aren't there hundreds of results there? You must have put a lot of effort analyzing the results.
No, actually, I haven't. I just looked through the first few for each catalyst, and checked to see if they had any potential. I think that the modified table, the long dock, and the pi splitter have the most potential out of the catalysts I don't see very often.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'potential' reactions. Could you elaborate?
I personally think that the more catalysts occur, the more effective it is. Still, I pretty much decided not to be too sure about everything unless I really know. So believe yourself.
(This change of mind is due to seeing the census results.It was pretty surprising to me, especially the exotic looking ones that are common.)
By potential, I mean that these catalysts haven't been used much before and running searches with them should yield many new conduits.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by Scorbie » November 8th, 2015, 9:03 am

Comparisons of BTS variants, Part 1 - Versatility

TL;DR?
  • This is the post to read if you want to look for a variant that works with the most situations. And not worried about small search time differences.
  • I compared these four BTS variants:

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    #C STD, PIERCE, BOOKEND, TABLELESS forms of BTS respectively.
    x = 53, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
    .2C.C2.C8.2C.C2.C8.2C.C2.C8.2C.C$2.A.4A9.C.4A9.A.4A9.A.3A$A.A12.A.A
    12.C.A12.A.A4.A$2A.3A9.2A.3A9.CA.3A9.2A.5A$3.A2.A11.A2.A11.A2.A11.A$
    3.A2.A11.A2.A11.A2.A11.A.A$4.2A13.2A13.2A13.2A!
  • The bookend part and the additional cell in A for awesome's suggestion have little effect.
  • If you have tabloids in your catalyst list, try the form without the table. Less intrusive.
  • If you don't have tabloids in your catalyst list, try the form with the table. Additional table catalysis.
Anyway, for who's interested:

Here is a comparison of BTS variants to find out various catalytic sites and their enhancements on catalysis in a quantitative manner.

I made some 10x10 random soups, and let the BTS variants to react with them from gen 18 to 80. So...
Warning: the results here should not be compared directly to the "relative catalyst frequencies" above.
(Oh, this must have been why the drifter Kazyan suggested was so versatile... Whoops...)

Here are the BTS variants I compared.

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#C STD, PIERCE, BOOKEND, TABLELESS forms of BTS respectively.
x = 53, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
.2C.C2.C8.2C.C2.C8.2C.C2.C8.2C.C$2.A.4A9.C.4A9.A.4A9.A.3A$A.A12.A.A
12.C.A12.A.A4.A$2A.3A9.2A.3A9.CA.3A9.2A.5A$3.A2.A11.A2.A11.A2.A11.A$
3.A2.A11.A2.A11.A2.A11.A.A$4.2A13.2A13.2A13.2A!
Note: A for awesome's additional cell catalysis only work if the white cell in the following picture has 3 neighbors and that usually means that the red cell has to be on.

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x = 8, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
.2A.A2.A$2.A.4A$A.C$2A.D2A$5.A$4.A$4.2A!
From common sense, variants with less steric hindrance and more catalytic areas seemed to be more versatile, so I tried to compare forms that took the least space and added the catalytic activities to each. If you think some other factor should be tested, please post a reply.

I compared the standard form with the other three forms. Comparing the STD and TABLELESS forms were a bit not obvious, but I think you could see what I did when you see the results. I explained further below.

Here are the results.

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#Note: Trivially, there aren't any unique results of STD when compared with BOOKEND or PIERCE variants.
BTS_PIERCE - BTS_STD  = 2/1000 #Had to search 1000 because there weren't any in 50 soups
BTS_BOOKEND - BTS_STD = 9/1000
BTS_TABLELESS - BTS_STD = 18/50
BTS_STD - BTS_TABLELESS - SNAKE - BOOKENDLIKE_TABLE = 2/50
BTS_STD - BTS_TABLELESS - SNAKE = 26/50
Which is pretty evident to see what's going on in the first three tests. Additional bookend or A for awesome's catalysis is pretty rare. BTS_TABLELESS has unique catalysis other than those of BTS_STD because it takes up less space.
It's not toooo obvious in the fourth and fifth cases, so here goes if you don't get it:
The fourth case compares STD with TABLELESS but filters out all unwanted catalyses. The STD form could have snake and table-only catalyses, so both are filtered. I used the table analogy of the bookend catalyst instead of the table because I think that might be the one used more often with the BTS. (No spartan restrictions, more versatility.)
So the 2/50 is the relative frequency of the "BTS && Table" catalyses occurring at the same time, which is the only unique catalysis of a table-form BTS, compared to a tableless BTS, in my opinion.
The fifth case compares STD with TABLELESS, but without filtering tables, in case you don't use any tablish catalysts with the BTS. This shows 26/50. So I guess 24/50 of it would be the relative frequency of the "table only" catalysis.


That's All.
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Re: Results of catalyst tests

Post by A for awesome » November 8th, 2015, 9:05 pm

A few more potential catalyses:

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x = 24, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$18bo$16bobo$2o14b2o$2o4b2o$5bobo$5bobo$5b2o7b2o$13bo2bo$14b2obo$
17bo$17b2o3$18b2o$18bo$11bo4bobo$12bo3b2o$10bobo$9bo2bo$9bo4b2o$13bo2b
o$8b2o4b2obo$17bo$17b2o5$15b2o$15b2o2$11b2o$10b4o2b2o$10b2ob2ob2o$12b
2o$20bo$18b3o$17bo$11bo5b2o$11bo$12bo$12b2o2b2o$13b2ob2o$13bo3$16b2o$
16b2o3$16b2o$14bobobo$18bo$12bobo3bob2o$12bo4b2ob2o5$13bo2b2o$13bo2bob
o$14bo3bo$12bobo3bob2o$17b2ob2o4$16b2o$16b2o3$16b2o$16bobo$18bo$13b3o
2bob2o$15bob2ob2o$14bo3$17bo$17bo$16bo$16bo2b2o$18bobo$18bo$16bobo$14b
3obobo$13bo5b2o$13b2o2$16b2o$16b2o3$16b2o$16bobo$18bo2bo$18bobobo$13b
3ob2obobo$15bo4bob2o$14bo5bo$18bobo$18b2o!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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