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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » October 16th, 2019, 4:13 pm

Can a catalyst replace the yellow block?

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x = 37, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
8.A13.4B$7.A.A11.4B$7.A.A10.4B$5.3A.2A8.4B$4.A13.4B$.A2.4A.2A6.4B$.3A
3.A.2A5.4B$4.A10.4B$3.2A9.4B13.2D$13.4B14.D$12.D3B13.D.D$11.B2DB14.2D
$11.DBD2$28.2E$24.D.2D2E$24.3D6.2D$25.D7.D.D$35.D$C25.2D7.2D$C.C23.2D
$3C$2.C3$9.2A3.2A$10.A3.A$7.3A5.3A$7.A9.A8$25.3D$25.D$24.3D!
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » October 16th, 2019, 4:52 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 4:13 pm
Can a catalyst replace the yellow block?
This would be an NE0, and I can't seem to find any H-to-Gs with an NE0 output, so I guess this would be new.

If something does show up it will seems a little strange, though. This is also the glider that very nearly escapes from an Fx158, but then has to be suppressed to avoid a pi explosion:

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x = 30, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
9bo4b2o$8bobo2bobo$7bo2b4o$7bobo4bo$5b3ob2o2b2o$4bo$bo2b4ob2o$b3o3bob
2o$4bo$3b2o7$29bo$27b3o$27bo$27bo$o$obo$3o$2bo2$15b2o$9b2o4bobo$10bo6b
o$7b3o7b2o$7bo!
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So the glider has been well-known since David Buckingham discovered it almost a quarter century ago. Is it really true that in all that time, nobody has figured out how to help that poor glider escape?

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Jormungant » October 19th, 2019, 5:10 am

dvgrn wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 4:52 pm
This would be an NE0, and I can't seem to find any H-to-Gs with an NE0 output, so I guess this would be new.

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x = 56, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
40.4B$39.4B$38.4B$37.4B$22.A13.4B$21.A.A11.4B$21.A.A10.4B$19.3A.2A8.
4B$18.A4.B8.A3B$15.A2.4AB2AB5.B2AB$15.3A3.A.2AB.2B.BABA$18.A4.10B$17.
2AB4.9B8.2C$17.5B.12B.3B.B.C$19.22B.C.2C$17.24B2C.C$17.26B.C$16.25B3.
C.2C$16.25B2.2C.2C$17.23B$16.20B$14.20B$12.19B$12.2BC16B$11.3BCBC4B.
9B$12.2B3C4B2.7B$11.5BC4B3.5B$11.9B5.4B$11.2B10.4B.B2A$11.B11.2A3.BA.
A$24.A6.A$21.3A7.2A$21.A!
well
Boom, found by hand. now the question is, is it new?

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Jormungant » October 19th, 2019, 5:23 am

mmm, I found something I had in some other file, so I guess it was already known:

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x = 41, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
28.4B$27.4B$26.4B$25.3AB$14.2A8.3BA$10.A.A2.A7.3BA3.A$8.3A.2A8.4B3.A.
A$7.A4.B8.4B4.A.A$4.A2.4AB2AB5.4B4.2A.2A$4.3A3.A.2AB.2B.4B6.B$7.A4.
10B6.2AB2A3.2A$6.2AB4.9B6.2A.A.A.A.A$6.5B.12B3.4B2.A.A$8.23B.2A.2A$6.
25B$6.25B$5.27B$5.27B$6.25B$5.21B.4B.2B2.2A$3.20B5.3B2ABA2.A$.19B10.A
BAB3A$3BC16B10.A.A$3BCBC4B.9B8.3A.5A$3B3C4B2.7B8.A3.A4.A$5BC4B3.5B9.
2A2.A.A$9B5.3B15.2A$2B10.7B$B11.2A.B.2A$13.A3.A$10.3A5.3A$10.A9.A$B$
2B!
well, I prefer my stabilization >.>

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » October 19th, 2019, 7:05 am

Jormungant wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 5:23 am
mmm, I found something I had in some other file, so I guess it was already known...

well, I prefer my stabilization >.>
Definitely an improvement, thanks! The problem was that I somehow managed to mis-classify it, working by hand from the existing H-to-G list. The script now happily classifies it as the known NE2T56:

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x = 42, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.5D2.3D2.5D.5D2.3D$2D2.D.D5.D3.D3.D3.D5.D$D.D.D.D9.D3.D3.D5.D$D2.
2D.3D6.D4.D4.3D2.4D$D3.D.D7.D5.D7.D.D3.D$D3.D.D6.D6.D3.D3.D.D3.D$D3.D
.5D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D4$.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D3.D3.D3.D
2.2D$D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$4.D.D.D.D9.D5.D5.
D5.D$D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D2.3D3$38.4B$37.4B$36.
4B$35.4B$34.4B$33.4B$32.4B$31.4B$16.A13.4B$15.A.A11.4B$15.A.A10.4B$
13.3A.2A8.4B$12.A4.B8.4B$9.A2.4AB2AB5.4B$9.3A3.A.2AB.2B.4B$12.A4.10B$
11.2AB4.9B8.2A$11.5B.12B.3B.B.A$13.22B.A.2A$11.24B2A.A$11.26B.A$10.
25B3.A.2A$10.25B2.2A.2A$11.23B$10.20B$8.20B$6.19B$6.2BC16B$5.3BCBC4B.
9B$6.2B3C4B2.7B$5.5BC4B3.5B$4.10B5.4B$3.4B10.4B.B2A$2.4B11.2A3.BA.A$.
4B13.A6.A$4B11.3A7.2A$3B12.A$2B$B!
So my apologies for the confusion, and luckily something good came out of it anyway!

Annual Appeal
Here I might as well renew my annual appeal for someone to take over and update the H-to-G collection properly. Ideally the H-to-G stamp collection should be buildable from a script, starting with the individual annotated files in the Elementary Conduits Collection, so that repeat times and such are available.

But a good collection could also contain composite H-to-Gs, maybe even including the smallest known way to get to each lane in each direction. A complete collection of H-to-Gs for some range would make it a lot easier to write a simple script to make circuit connections. There's also some potential for making a smaller universal synchronization toolkit, for a one-step script that takes a glider synthesis as input and automatically builds a complete more-or-less-optimized gun pattern.

Dialing down the ambition a little, just cross-checking with Elementary Conduits and adding everything that has been found since 2016 to the stamp collection at the top of this thread, would be a great start -- would make it much easier to look up timing/lane combinations. Some way of marking the H-to-2Gs would also be nice, maybe just by adding the classification label from the glider pair adjustment toolkit.

I'll do the work myself eventually, but right now there's a painfully large pile of things that are higher on my to-do list -- another Lexicon update for Golly, and a much bigger update for the Online Archives, and so on.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » May 5th, 2020, 10:48 am

Cross-posting an H-to-G from Unsure Discoveries, an adaptation of Extrementhusiast's Herschel conduit by Jormungant, into a very nice medium-clearance edgeshooting SW47T214:

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x = 65, y = 66, rule = LifeHistory
4$7.3D2.D3.D4.D2.5D.5D2.3D4.D6.D$6.D3.D.D3.D3.2D6.D3.D3.D3.D2.2D5.2D$
6.D5.D3.D2.D.D5.D4.D7.D3.D4.D.D$7.3D2.D.D.D.D2.D4.D5.D6.D4.D3.D2.D$
10.D.D.D.D.5D2.D6.D5.D5.D3.5D$6.D3.D.2D.2D4.D2.D7.D4.D6.D6.D$7.3D2.D
3.D4.D2.D7.D3.5D2.3D5.D6$25.2A$21.A.A2.A$19.3A.2A$18.A4.B$19.3AB2AB3.
2B$21.A.2AB2.4B5.2A$25.7B5.A$24.9B.BA.A$24.9B.B2A$24.11B$24.11B$18.B
4.11B$17.3B3.10B$15.6B2.12B$9.4B2.7B.13B$9.27B$6.B2C27B$6.3CB2C24B$7.
2CB3CB2A21B$6.3CB2C2B2A21B$6.2CB2.27B$11.26B$13.B2.20B$15.20B.B.B$14.
24B2A$8.2A3.25B2A$8.A2.A24B.2B$10.2A.21B$14.18B$14.6B2A10B$18.2B2A.
10B$16.5B6.6B$16.2A10.6B$17.A10.3BA3B2.B$14.3A11.2BABA7B$14.A13.2BABA
7B$28.3BA9B$26.2AB.11B$25.A.AB2.9B$25.A7.7B$24.2A7.6B$34.4B$33.4B$32.
4B$31.4B$30.4B$29.4B$28.4B$27.4B!
The insertion mechanism is the same as the old RNE-19T84, but without the period-doubling or extra-cross-lane-glider side effects. Also the same as the more recent NE-27T176, but that one wasn't an edge-shooter.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » June 22nd, 2020, 11:17 am

Cross-posting two H-to-Gs by Goldtiger997, from the Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits thread.

They're NE-1T153 and NE2T116 -- the first examples of H-to-E-to-G, I think:

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x = 124, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
10.D3.D.5D9.D3.5D3.D3.5D2.3D24.D3.D.5D2.3D2.5D3.D5.D4.3D$10.2D2.D.D
12.2D5.D4.2D3.D5.D3.D23.2D2.D.D5.D3.D3.D4.2D4.2D3.D$10.D.D.D.D13.D5.D
5.D3.D9.D23.D.D.D.D9.D3.D5.D5.D3.D$10.D2.2D.3D3.5D3.D5.D5.D4.3D4.2D
24.D2.2D.3D6.D4.D5.D5.D3.4D$10.D3.D.D13.D5.D5.D7.D5.D23.D3.D.D7.D5.D
5.D5.D3.D3.D$10.D3.D.D13.D5.D5.D3.D3.D.D3.D23.D3.D.D6.D6.D5.D5.D3.D3.
D$10.D3.D.5D8.3D4.D4.3D3.3D3.3D24.D3.D.5D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D3.3D$123.B$
122.2B$121.3B$120.4B$27.2A68.2A20.4B$25.2B2AB15.B49.2B2AB18.4B$25.4B
15.2B49.4B18.4B$24.4B15.3B48.4B18.4B$25.4B13.4B49.4B16.4B$25.5B11.4B
50.5B14.4B$23.7B10.4B49.7B13.4B$13.2A7.8B9.4B40.2A7.8B12.4B$14.A7.9B
7.4B42.A7.9B10.4B$14.A.AB3.12B4.4B43.A.AB3.12B7.4B$15.2AB2.13B3.4B45.
2AB2.13B6.4B$17.22B48.18B3.4B$17.21B49.18B2.4B$17.20B50.23B$18.18B52.
21B$14.B.20B48.B.22B$13.2AB.19B47.2AB.20B$13.2A21B47.2A21B$14.B.20B
48.B.20B$16.22B48.22B$16.22B48.23B$16.22B48.23B$16.22B48.23B2.2A$16.
10B2.11B47.10B2.11BA2.A$16.10B3.12B45.10B4.6B.2B3A$15.10B5.6BA5B43.
10B6.5B2.B$15.10B5.5BABA3B44.10B6.4B4.2A.A.2A$7.2A6.10B7.3B2A4B36.2A
6.10B6.B2AB5.A.2A.A$8.A7.9B8.B2.4B38.A7.9B7.2A6.A$8.A.AB4.9B.2B4.3B
43.A.AB4.9B.2B11.2A$9.2AB.14B2A3.B2AB43.2AB.14B2A$11.16B2A4.2A46.16B
2A$11.14B.2B53.14B.2B$12.13B57.13B$11.14B.2B53.14B.2B$9.18B2A50.18B2A
$7.18B.B2A48.18B.B2A$7.2BC15B2.B49.2BC15B2.B$6.3BCBC4B.8B51.3BCBC4B.
8B$7.2B3C4B2.7B52.2B3C4B2.7B$6.5BC4B2.7B51.5BC4B2.7B$5.10B3.7B50.10B
3.7B$4.4B11.7B48.4B11.7B$4.3B12.7B48.3B12.7B$2.4B13.6B47.4B13.6B$2.2A
16.5B47.2A16.5B$3.A14.6B49.A14.6B$3A15.6B46.3A15.6B$A17.4B48.A17.4B$
18.2B2AB65.2B2AB$20.2A68.2A!
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Jormungant » August 20th, 2020, 12:48 pm

Dug this from the forums... is it missing in the collections? (at least I did not see it in the elem conduits)

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x = 114, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
7$106.C$104.2C$105.2C30$44.2A$44.A$41.A4.A2.2A$41.5A.A2.A$4.C22.2A16.
B.2A.A.2A$5.C22.A10.4AB3AB2.A2.A$3.3CB21.A.AB7.A2.A.A3B2A.A$4.4B10.A
10.2AB.3B4.7B2.A.2A$5.4B7.3A12.7B3.7B.A$6.4B5.A15.16B.2A$7.4B4.2A15.
15B$2A6.9B14.16B$.A7.6B14.18B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B$2.A2.A4.19BC15B3.
2A$3.2AB3.20BCBC4B.7B5.A$4.14B2A9B3C4B2.7B4.A.2A$5.13B2A11BC4B2.8B4.A
.A$6.29B4.7B5.B$6.17B.4B10.8B2.B.3B$7.15B2.5B9.16B$7.15B5.A2B.2A5.17B
$8.13B5.A.A2B.A5.18B$10.13B2.A.AB2.A5.20B$9.8B4.2A.A.A3.A7.19B$9.6B6.
2ABA2.4A.A5.19B$9.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A5.17B$9.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A6.11B$10.
3B9.A.A2.2A3.A11.6B$9.B2AB9.A.A19.6B$10.2A11.A4.3D.3D.3D4.7B$30.D.D3.
D5.10B$28.3D.3D.3D2.BD2B.4B2A$28.D5.D.D.D.2D.B4.2BAB2.2A$28.3D.3D.3D
2B2D5.A.A.A2.A$38.4B4.3A.A.2A$37.4B4.A3.A.A$36.4B5.2A2.A.A$35.4B11.A!

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Kazyan » September 12th, 2020, 1:38 pm

Known lane, different timing:

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x = 43, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
3B8.4B$4B8.4B$.4B8.4B$2.4B8.4B$3.4B8.4B$4.4B8.4B$5.4B8.4B18.A$6.4B8.
4B16.A.A$7.4B8.4B15.A.A$8.4B8.4B13.2A.2A$9.5B7.4B13.B$10.5B6.4B12.2AB
2A$10.7B4.5B11.2A.A$10.8B2.9B9.B3.A$10.8B2.9B5.A4B2.2A$10.19B4.ABA3B$
12.17B2.BA2BA2B2A$11.19B.2B2AB.B2A$11.24B3.B$12.21B$12.20B$12.20B$12.
19B$11.19B$11.19B.B$12.19B2A$10.19B.B2A$10.18B3.B$10.C15B$10.CBC14B$
10.3C14B9.2A$10.2BC14B9.A$10.21B2.BA.A$13.18B2.B2A$15.20B$15.19B$16.
18B$15.20B$15.21B$15.21B$15.22B.B$16.22B2A$17.21B2A$17.22B$18.17B.3B$
18.11B.2B.B$20.9B2.2B$20.3B.4B2.2BAB$21.B2.3B4.A.A$24.3B5.A$24.2B.A$
22.2AB.A.A$21.A.AB2.2A$21.A$20.2A!
It's pretty big, and the naive snark-and-syring loop is a p420+8n gun, so I don't think this helps for the gun collection--but it's here.
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » December 5th, 2020, 1:11 pm

Cross-posting a new H-to-3G from the Herschel Conduits thread -- NW26T157, a known lane but a new timing:

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x = 51, y = 85, rule = LifeHistory
4.D3.D.D3.D2.3D3.3D2.5D3.D3.5D.5D$4.2D2.D.D3.D.D3.D.D7.D4.2D3.D9.D$4.
D.D.D.D3.D5.D.D7.D5.D3.D8.D$4.D2.2D.D.D.D4.D2.4D4.D5.D4.3D4.D$4.D3.D.
D.D.D3.D3.D3.D3.D5.D7.D2.D$4.D3.D.2D.2D2.D4.D3.D3.D5.D3.D3.D.D$4.D3.D
.D3.D.5D2.3D4.D4.3D3.3D2.D4$5.3D2.5D.5D.5D3.D6.D$4.D3.D.D9.D3.D4.2D5.
2D$4.D5.D8.D4.D5.D4.D.D$5.3D2.3D5.D5.D5.D3.D2.D$8.D.D6.D6.D5.D3.5D$4.
D3.D.D5.D7.D5.D6.D$5.3D2.5D.D7.D4.3D5.D4$5.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$4.
D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D3.D3.D3.D2.2D$4.D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$5.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D
4.D6.D4.D$8.D.D.D.D9.D5.D5.D5.D$4.D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$5.3D2.D3.D7.
5D3.D3.5D2.3D3$.4B$2.4B$3.4B$4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B$8.4B$9.4B22.A$10.4B
12.2A5.3A$11.4B10.B2AB3.A$12.4B9.3B4.2A$13.4B.2B2.2B2.B2.5B$14.18B$
14.17B2A$14.12B2A3B2A$14.12B2A2B.B$12.2AB.14B$11.A.AB4.7B$11.A8.7B$
10.2A8.7B$19.9B$18.11B$8.2A8.11B$9.A9.10B$9.A.AB4.14B$10.2AB.17B$12.
20B$12.20B$13.20B$12.21B$10.23B$8.19B.B.B.B2A$8.2BC15B6.BA.A$7.3BCBC
4B.9B8.A$8.2B3C4B2.7B9.2A$7.5BC4B2.7B$6.10B4.6B$5.4B10.7B$4.4B12.6B$
3.4B13.7B$2.4B15.5B$.4B16.6B$4B15.9B$3B16.2A.7B$2B18.A5.4B$B16.3A7.4B
$17.A10.4B$29.4B$30.4B$31.4B$32.4B$33.4B$34.4B$35.4B$36.4B!
I've posted the updated H-to-G classifier script that it works with Python 3.x, in the first post in this thread.
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December 5th, 2020, 1:58 am
Thank you for giving me such an easy task.

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x = 29, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
$27.A$18.2A5.3A$18.2A4.A$24.2A3$23.2A$18.2A3.2A$18.2A$4.2A$3.A.A$3.A$
2.2A2$16.3D$2A14.D$.A15.D$.A.A$2.2A6$25.2A$2.C22.A.A$2.C.C22.A$2.3C22.
2A$4.C7$13.D$12.3D$13.AC$13.2A!
Thank you for getting it to work. I tried to make it more compact, and I ended up getting a third glider output (which I highly suspect is already known).

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x = 47, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
45.A$36.2A5.3A$36.2A4.A$42.2A3$41.2A$36.2A3.2A$36.2A$22.2A$21.A.A$21.
A$20.2A2$34.3D$18.2A14.D$19.A15.D$19.A.A$20.2A6$43.2A$20.C22.A.A$20.C
.C22.A$20.3C22.2A$22.C8$29.2A$30.A$27.3A$27.A2$42.D$43.2D$42.2D$.D$D$3D!
The repeat time is 65 with or without that third output.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by MathAndCode » December 5th, 2020, 7:49 pm

dvgrn wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 1:11 pm
Cross-posting a new H-to-3G from the Herschel Conduits thread -- NW26T157, a known lane but a new timing:
I'm still trying to get another glider from that region at the top instead of eating it with three blocks and two fishhooks. I found a way to get a glider from it with a block, but unfortunately, the block is just barely too close to the reaction that would form the glider.

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x = 29, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$20b2o4$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o6$25b2o$2bo22bobo$2bobo22bo$2b3o22b2o$4bo
8$11b2o$12bo$9b3o$9bo!
My results for simply eating the region are better in the sense that they fail more gracefully and worse in the sense that they aren't as close to having the necessary clearance and in the sense that I doubt that eater 2s and eater 3s are Spartan.

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x = 29, y = 41, rule = TripleB3S23
20.D$19.D.D$20.D2$18.DE3D$18.E.C2.D$18.ABAF2.D$9.G7.2ABAGE.D2.D$9.3G6.
FB.2BCD.D.D$12.G4.EAD3A.F2.D$11.2G4.ECBE2BFD$18.2F.B5$2G$.G$.G.G$2.2G
6$25.2G$2.G22.G.G$2.G.G22.G$2.3G22.2G$4.G8$11.2G$12.G$9.3G$9.G!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by bubblegum » December 5th, 2020, 9:51 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
December 5th, 2020, 7:49 pm
My results for simply eating the region are better in the sense that they fail more gracefully and worse in the sense that they aren't as close to having the necessary clearance and in the sense that I doubt that eater 2s and eater 3s are Spartan.

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i agree with goldenratio this looks…
slmake says eater 2s are Spartan.
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Kazyan » December 10th, 2020, 12:31 am

Known lane, different timing. I think.

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x = 45, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
20.2A$19.B2AB$20.3B$19.B.B$19.5B$18.6B$18.7B$18.7B$19.5B$18.6B$17.8B$
6.2A10.7B$7.A10.7B3.2A$7.A.AB7.6B4.A$8.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A$10.14B.B2A$10.
16B18.B$11.14B18.2B$10.16B16.3B$8.18B15.4B$6.19B15.4B$6.2BC15B15.4B$
5.3BCBC15B2.3B7.4B$6.2B3C4B.10B2.4B5.4B$5.5BC4B2.16B3.4B$4.10B4.21B$
4.3B11.20B$2.4B12.19B$2.2A14.18B$3.A14.17B$3A16.B2A14B$A18.B2A6B3.3B.
B2A$22.8B5.BA.A$28.2A8.A$28.A9.2A$29.3A$31.A!
The suppressing block at the top can probably be replaced with some other fancy nozzle to get another glider.
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » December 10th, 2020, 9:47 am

Kazyan wrote:
December 10th, 2020, 12:31 am
Known lane, different timing. I think.
Nice find! With a very unfamiliar-looking transparent block. Any hope of catalyzing the reaction past the block to get an H/B/R/something besides a G out?

I can't figure out why no one seems to like to run the lovely script in the first post of this thread, to find out what the canonical name is instead of just saying "I think". NE30T17 doesn't get any matches on a forums search or a Google search, so I think it's safely new:

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x = 148, y = 69, rule = LifeHistory
6$28.D3.D.5D2.3D3.3D2.5D3.D3.5D24.D3.D.5D2.3D3.3D2.5D2.3D$28.2D2.D.D
5.D3.D.D3.D3.D4.2D7.D24.2D2.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D3.D3.D3.D$28.D.D.D.D9.D.D2.
2D3.D5.D6.D25.D.D.D.D9.D.D2.2D3.D7.D$28.D2.2D.3D5.2D2.D.D.D3.D5.D5.D
26.D2.2D.3D5.2D2.D.D.D3.D5.2D$28.D3.D.D9.D.2D2.D3.D5.D4.D27.D3.D.D9.D
.2D2.D3.D7.D$28.D3.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D3.D5.D3.D28.D3.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D3.D3.D
3.D$28.D3.D.5D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D2.D28.D3.D.5D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D4$94.3D2.5D
2.3D3.3D2.5D8.3D$93.D3.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D3.D9.D3.D$93.D5.D9.D5.D3.D9.D3.D
$94.3D2.3D6.D5.D4.D3.5D2.3D$97.D.D7.D5.D5.D9.D3.D$93.D3.D.D6.D5.D6.D
9.D3.D$44.2A48.3D2.5D.5D.5D3.D10.3D$43.B2AB$44.3B$43.B.B$43.5B$42.6B$
42.7B72.A$42.7B70.3A$43.5B70.A$42.6B59.A10.2A$41.8B57.A.A6.5B$30.2A
10.7B57.A.A5.4B$31.A10.7B3.2A50.3A.2A3.6B11.A$31.A.AB7.6B4.A18.B31.A
4.B4.6B9.3A9.B$32.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A17.2B25.A6.3AB2AB.7B8.A11.2B$34.14B.
B2A17.3B25.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A9.3B$34.16B18.4B28.A7.21B8.4B$35.14B
18.4B28.2A3.B5.17B9.4B$34.16B16.4B29.8B2.15B2A2B7.4B$32.18B15.4B32.
22BA2BA2B5.4B$30.19B15.4B33.23B2A3B4.4B$30.2BD15B15.4B33.19B3.9B.4B$
29.3BDBD15B2.3B7.4B32.21B4.12B$30.2B3D4B.10B2.4B5.4B31.24B4.10B$29.5B
D4B2.16B3.4B32.2BD14B4.4B3.9B$28.10B4.21B32.3BDBD4B.6B6.4B.9B$28.3B
11.20B34.2B3D4B2.B.5B5.4B.7B$26.4B12.19B34.5BD4B7.2A6.10B$26.2A14.18B
34.10B8.A8.4B.2B$27.A14.17B34.4B16.3A6.4B$24.3A16.B2A14B33.3B19.A7.4B
$24.A18.B2A6B3.3B.B2A29.4B29.4B$46.8B5.BA.A28.2A32.4B$52.2A8.A29.A33.
4B$52.A9.2A25.3A35.4B$53.3A33.A38.4B$55.A73.4B$130.4B!
Not surprisingly, the p722 gun made from these two H-to-Gs isn't competitive. Even a couple of added Snarks at the edges usually bulks up the bounding box too much these days:

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x = 105, y = 65, rule = LifeHistory
73.2A$32.A21.2A.A.2A11.B2AB$32.3A18.A2.2A.A2.A.2A.A4.3B$24.2A9.A16.A.
A4.A.2A.A.2A5.B.B$25.A8.2A17.A.5A2.B8.5B$25.A.AB5.8B13.A4.AB2A6.6B$
26.2AB.3B3.6B2AB9.A2.BA.A.2A4.8B$28.14B2AB8.A.2BA.A2.13B$29.17B7.2A.
2BA5.13B$28.18B11.3B3.15B$27.19B12.2B3.15B$26.20B11.4B.17B$25.21B4.
29B$24.4B3.16B2.4BD11B2A2B2D9B$9.A13.4B5.4B2.10B.4B3D9B2A2BDBD9B$9.3A
10.4B7.3B2.15BDBD13BD6B3.B2A$12.A8.4B15.15BD19B4.A2.A$11.2A7.4B15.20B
2.2B2.B3.6B5.2A.A$11.5B3.4B15.18B14.6B7.A$13.3B2.4B16.16B14.9B6.2A$3.
2A7.9B18.14B15.2A4.4B$3.A8.8B18.16B15.A5.4B$2A.A.B3.10B17.2AB.14B12.
3A7.4B$A2.3AB.2B2A2BD4B16.A.AB.6B3.3B.B2A10.A10.4B$.2A2.BA3B2A2BDBD2B
16.A4.6B7.BA.A21.4B$3.4A7B2D3B15.2A3.7B10.A22.4B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A18.7B
10.2A22.4B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A17.8B34.4B$7.A4.4B5.A18.6B36.4B$2.5A5.4B5.2A
17.5B38.4B$2.A10.4B22.7B26.A11.4B$4.A9.4B21.7B24.3A12.4B$3.2A10.4B21.
6B23.A16.4B10.2A$16.4B20.5B13.A10.2A16.4B9.A$17.4B21.B.B12.A.A6.5B17.
4B10.A$18.4B19.3B13.A.A5.4B13.2A5.4B5.5A$19.4B18.B2AB10.3A.2A3.6B11.A
.A5.4B4.A$20.4B18.2A10.A4.B4.6B9.3A.A.AB.7B2.B3A$21.4B23.A6.3AB2AB.7B
8.A5.2AB.7B3.2B.A$22.4B22.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A6.3B2D7B4A$23.4B24.A7.
21B6.2BDBD2B2A3BAB2.2A$24.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.17B8.4BD2B2A2B.B3A2.A$25.4B
7.3A11.8B2.15B2A2B7.10B3.B.A.2A$26.4B5.A16.22BA2BA2B5.8B8.A$27.4B4.2A
15.23B2A3B4.9B7.2A$20.2A6.9B14.19B3.9B.4B2.3B$21.A7.6B14.21B4.12B3.5B
$21.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.25B4.10B7.2A$22.A2.A4.19BD14B4.4B3.9B8.A$23.2AB
3.6BC13BDBD4B.6B6.4B.9B10.3A$24.9BCBC2B2A9B3D4B2.B.5B5.4B.7B13.A$25.
9B2C2B2A11BD4B7.2A6.10B$26.29B8.A8.4B.2B$26.17B.4B16.3A6.4B$27.15B3.
2B19.A7.4B$27.15B3.3B27.4B$28.13B5.A2B.2A24.4B$30.13B2.A.A2B.A25.4B$
29.8B4.2A.A.AB2.A27.4B$29.6B6.2ABA4.A29.4B$29.5B8.B2.5A.A28.4B$29.B.B
5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A28.4B$30.3B4.A.2A.A2.A.2A2.A30.4B$29.B2AB11.2A.A.2A
32.3B$30.2A52.4B!
Looks like the singleton version of NE30T17 also makes a considerably bigger loop than what we already have for p556+8N -- not to mention that without the aforementioned hypothetical fancy nozzle, it's an emu:

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x = 87, y = 67, rule = LifeHistory
45.2A$44.A.A$38.2A4.A$36.A2.A2.2A.4A$36.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$39.A.ABABAB$39.
A.AB2AB$40.AB.2B$43.3B$43.4B6.2A$41.3B2AB6.A$41.3B2AB3.BA.A$39.10B.B
2A$38.13B$37.6B3D5B$36.7BD7B$35.4B2.3BD4B$34.4B5.6B$33.4B4.9B$32.4B5.
2A4.4B$31.4B7.A5.4B$30.4B5.3A7.4B$29.4B6.A10.4B$28.4B19.4B$27.4B21.4B
$26.4B23.4B$25.4B25.4B$24.4B27.4B$9.A13.4B29.4B$9.3A10.4B23.2A6.4B$
12.A8.4B23.B2AB6.4B$11.2A7.4B25.3B7.4B$11.5B3.4B25.B.B9.4B$13.3B2.4B
26.5B8.4B$3.2A7.9B26.6B9.4B$3.A8.8B27.7B9.4B$2A.A.B3.10B28.7B10.4B$A
2.3AB.2B2A2BD4B29.5B12.4B$.2A2.BA3B2A2BDBD2B28.6B13.4B$3.4A7B2D3B27.
8B13.4B$3.A.2B3.7B.B2A14.2A10.7B14.4B10.2A$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.2A10.A10.
7B3.2A10.4B9.A$7.A3.5B5.A2.A11.A.AB7.6B4.A12.4B10.A$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A
10.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A6.2A5.4B5.5A$2.A10.4B7.3A12.14B.B2A8.A5.4B4.A$4.A9.
4B5.A15.16B10.A.AB.7B2.B3A$3.2A10.4B4.2A15.14B12.2AB.7B3.2B.A$8.2A6.
9B14.16B13.3B2D7B4A$9.A7.6B14.18B13.2BDBD2B2A3BAB2.2A$9.A.2A5.6B3.B2.
2B2.20B14.4BD2B2A2B.B3A2.A$10.A2.A4.19BD15B15.10B3.B.A.2A$11.2AB3.6BC
13BDBD15B2.3B7.8B8.A$12.9BCBC2B2A9B3D4B.10B2.4B5.9B7.2A$13.9B2C2B2A
11BD4B2.16B3.4B2.3B$14.29B4.21B3.5B$14.17B.4B11.20B7.2A$15.15B3.2B12.
19B8.A$15.15B3.3B11.18B10.3A$16.13B5.A2B.2A7.17B13.A$18.13B2.A.A2B.A
8.B2A14B$17.8B4.2A.A.AB2.A9.B2A6B3.3B.B2A$17.6B6.2ABA4.A13.8B5.BA.A$
17.5B8.B2.5A.A17.2A8.A$17.B.B5.2A.A.2A.A4.A.A16.A9.2A$18.3B4.A.2A.A2.
A.2A2.A18.3A$17.B2AB11.2A.A.2A21.A$18.2A!

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Kazyan » December 10th, 2020, 12:39 pm

dvgrn wrote:
December 10th, 2020, 9:47 am
Nice find! With a very unfamiliar-looking transparent block. Any hope of catalyzing the reaction past the block to get an H/B/R/something besides a G out?
There is probably a way to get a big-kid signal out of it; it will just take more effort than rolling a 2-catalyst CatForce search over the block.
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December 10th, 2020, 9:47 am
I can't figure out why no one seems to like to run the lovely script in the first post of this thread, to find out what the canonical name is instead of just saying "I think".


The honest and unflattering answer is that, since you're the informal authority on whether or not an H-to-G has been seen before, we've gotten used to you doing all the work. This is unfair to you, so I will endeavor to use the script next time.
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » December 10th, 2020, 1:53 pm

Kazyan wrote:
December 10th, 2020, 12:39 pm
The honest and unflattering answer is that, since you're the informal authority on whether or not an H-to-G has been seen before, we've gotten used to you doing all the work. This is unfair to you, so I will endeavor to use the script next time.
The thing is, I'm not all that good of an authority any more. Maintenance on the H-to-G and H-to-Gn collections hasn't been done properly for several years now -- I just copy new stuff into my own version of the stamp collection, whenever I happen to remember to do that which definitely isn't always.

I'd really like to figure out how to recruit someone to take over the H-to-G collections and get them back up to date, maybe along with a separate lookup table of some kind for H-to-2Gs and H-to-3Gs. I seem to have a few too many stamp collections and suchlike on my plate already.

Anyway, I hope everyone will find that running that script in the first post, starting from let's say a two-state version of any H-to-G including the input Herschel, will be a thoroughly painless experience.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Kazyan » December 20th, 2020, 4:49 pm

Here's a new H-to-3G (one of which is the FNG), using the hive-push catalyst:

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x = 60, y = 113, rule = LifeHistory
13.D3.D.5D2.3D2.5D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D$13.2D2.D.D5.D3.D.D7.D4.2D3.D3.D.D3.D
$13.D.D.D.D9.D.D7.D5.D7.D5.D$13.D2.2D.3D6.D3.3D4.D5.D6.D5.D$13.D3.D.D
7.D7.D3.D5.D5.D5.D$13.D3.D.D6.D4.D3.D3.D5.D4.D5.D$13.D3.D.5D.5D2.3D4.
D4.3D2.5D.5D4$13.D3.D.5D.5D2.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$13.2D2.D.D5.D5.D3.D3.D3.D
3.D2.2D$13.D.D.D.D5.D9.D3.D3.D3.D3.D$13.D2.2D.3D4.3D4.2D4.D4.3D4.D$
13.D3.D.D9.D5.D3.D3.D3.D3.D$13.D3.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D3.D3.D3.D3.D$13.D3.D.
5D2.3D3.3D4.D4.3D3.3D4$14.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$13.D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D
3.D3.D3.D2.2D$13.D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$14.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$17.
D.D.D.D9.D5.D5.D5.D$13.D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$14.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D
2.3D27$14.2A.2A$15.A.A$10.2A.A5.A.2A$9.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$8.A2.B2.BA.AB2.
B2.A$8.7AB.B7A$12.3B.B.3B$10.3AB.3B.B3A$9.A.BA3BA3BAB.A31.B$9.2A3.BAB
AB3.2A30.2B$14.BABAB34.3B$14.2BA2B33.4B$14.2B.2B32.4B$12.B.5B31.4B$
10.9B30.4B$10.8B2A28.4B$9.2A6BA2BA26.4B$9.2AB.5B2AB25.4B$10.B2.8B24.
4B$13.8B3.2B18.4B$14.12B17.4B$14.14B14.4B$14.15B12.4B$12.18B10.4B$10.
21B8.4B$10.2BC19B6.4B$9.3BCBC19B3.5B$10.2B3C20B.7B$9.5BC29B$8.10B.25B
.2B$7.4B9.26B2A$6.4B10.24B.B2A$5.4B12.23B2.B$4.4B13.24B$3.4B16.23B$2.
4B17.24B$.4B18.23B9.B$4B18.25B7.2B$3B19.24B7.3B$2B21.23B6.4B$B22.25B
3.4B$25.29B$27.8B2.16B$28.7B3.14B$29.5B5.13B$31.2B.B5.12B$32.5B2.12B$
32.18B$31.2A17B$31.2AB.14B$32.B3.12B$34.6B.5B$34.2A4.4B$35.A4.4B$32.
3A6.2B$32.A6.4B$39.2A$40.A$37.3A$37.A!
A variant is also an H-to-H, minus one glider:

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x = 48, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A.2A$7.A.A$2.2A.A5.A.2A$.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$7AB.B7A$
4.3B.B.3B$2.3AB.3B.B3A$.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$.2A3.BABAB3.2A$6.BABAB$6.2BA2B$
6.2B.2B$4.B.5B$2.9B$2.8B2A28.3D$.2A6BA2BA26.3BD$.2AB.5B2AB25.3BD$2.B
2.8B24.4B$5.8B3.2B18.4B$6.12B17.4B$6.14B14.4B$6.15B12.4B$4.18B10.4B$
2.21B8.4B$2.2BA19B6.4B$.3BABA19B3.5B$2.2B3A20B.7B$.5BA29B$2.8B.25B.2B
$4B8.26B2A$2B10.24B.B2A$2B11.23B2.B$13.24B$15.23B$15.24B$15.23B$14.
25B$14.24B$15.23B$15.25B$17.25B$19.8B2.15B$20.7B3.14B$21.5B5.13B$19.B
.7B4.12B$13.B.13B3.12B$8.30B.3B4.2A$6.D37B3.A$5.B3D31B2.2A.A$6.DBD15B
2A13B3.2AB2A$8.D15B2A6B.6B4.B$10.2B2.2B3.11B2.7B3.2A.2A$20.10B2.5B6.A
.A$23.6B3.6B5.A.A$25.3B5.4B7.A$27.B6.AB$27.2A4.A.A.A$28.A3.A.2A.3A$
27.A4.A7.A$27.2A2.2A6.2A!
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by MathAndCode » December 20th, 2020, 5:40 pm

Kazyan wrote:
December 20th, 2020, 4:49 pm
A variant is also an H-to-H, minus one glider:
Here are alternative methods to suppress the honey farm.

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x = 48, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A.2A$7.A.A$2.2A.A5.A.2A$.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$7AB.B7A$
4.3B.B.3B$2.3AB.3B.B3A$.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$.2A3.BABAB3.2A$6.BABAB$6.2BA2B$
6.2B.2B$4.B.5B$2.9B$2.8B2A28.3D$.2A6BA2BA26.3BD$.2AB.5B2AB25.3BD$2.B2.
8B24.4B$5.8B3.2B18.4B$6.12B17.4B$6.14B14.4B$6.15B12.4B$4.18B10.4B$2.21B
8.4B$2.2BA19B6.4B$.3BABA19B3.5B$2.2B3A20B.7B$.5BA29B$2.8B.25B.2B$4B8.
26B2A$2B10.24B.B2A$2B11.23B2.B$13.22B$15.20B$15.20B$15.20B$14.21B$14.
21B10.2A$15.20B10.A$15.20B8.A.A$17.18B8.2A$19.8B2.6B$20.7B3.5B$21.5B5.
4B$19.B.7B4.3B$13.B.13B3.4B$8.27B$6.D28B$5.B3D26B$6.DBD15B2A9B$8.D15B
2A6B.2B$10.2B2.2B3.11B2.3B$20.10B2.3B$23.6B3.3B$25.3B5.2B$27.B6.A$27.
2A4.A.A.A$28.A3.A.2A.3A$27.A4.A7.A$27.2A2.2A6.2A!

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x = 49, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A.2A$7.A.A$2.2A.A5.A.2A$.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$7AB.B7A$
4.3B.B.3B$2.3AB.3B.B3A$.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$.2A3.BABAB3.2A$6.BABAB$6.2BA2B$
6.2B.2B$4.B.5B$2.9B$2.8B2A28.3D$.2A6BA2BA26.3BD$.2AB.5B2AB25.3BD$2.B2.
8B24.4B$5.8B3.2B18.4B$6.12B17.4B$6.14B14.4B$6.15B12.4B$4.18B10.4B$2.21B
8.4B$2.2BA19B6.4B$.3BABA19B3.5B$2.2B3A20B.7B$.5BA29B$2.8B.25B.2B$4B8.
26B2A$2B10.24B.B2A$2B11.23B2.B$13.22B$15.20B$15.20B$15.20B$14.21B$14.
21B$15.20B$15.20B$17.18B$19.8B2.6B$20.7B3.5B$21.5B5.4B$19.B.7B4.3B$13.
B.13B3.4B8.2A$8.27B8.A$6.D28B9.3A$5.B3D26B11.A$6.DBD15B2A9B$8.D15B2A6B
.2B$10.2B2.2B3.11B2.3B$20.10B2.3B$23.6B3.3B$25.3B5.2B$27.B6.A$27.2A4.
A.A.A$28.A3.A.2A.3A$27.A4.A7.A$27.2A2.2A6.2A!

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x = 49, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A.2A$7.A.A$2.2A.A5.A.2A$.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$7AB.B7A$
4.3B.B.3B$2.3AB.3B.B3A$.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$.2A3.BABAB3.2A$6.BABAB$6.2BA2B$
6.2B.2B$4.B.5B$2.9B$2.8B2A28.3D$.2A6BA2BA26.3BD$.2AB.5B2AB25.3BD$2.B2.
8B24.4B$5.8B3.2B18.4B$6.12B17.4B$6.14B14.4B$6.15B12.4B$4.18B10.4B$2.21B
8.4B$2.2BA19B6.4B$.3BABA19B3.5B$2.2B3A20B.7B$.5BA29B$2.8B.25B.2B$4B8.
26B2A$2B10.24B.B2A$2B11.23B2.B$13.22B$15.20B$15.20B$15.20B$14.21B$14.
21B$15.20B$15.20B$17.18B$19.8B2.6B$20.7B3.5B$21.5B5.4B$19.B.7B4.3B9.2A
$13.B.13B3.4B9.A.A$8.27B11.A$6.D28B11.2A$5.B3D26B$6.DBD15B2A9B$8.D15B
2A6B.2B$10.2B2.2B3.11B2.3B$20.10B2.3B$23.6B3.3B$25.3B5.2B$27.B6.A$27.
2A4.A.A.A$28.A3.A.2A.3A$27.A4.A7.A$27.2A2.2A6.2A!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by A for awesome » December 20th, 2020, 6:00 pm

Kazyan wrote:
December 20th, 2020, 4:49 pm
A variant is also an H-to-H, minus one glider:

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x = 48, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A.2A$7.A.A$2.2A.A5.A.2A$.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$7AB.B7A$
4.3B.B.3B$2.3AB.3B.B3A$.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$.2A3.BABAB3.2A$6.BABAB$6.2BA2B$
6.2B.2B$4.B.5B$2.9B$2.8B2A28.3D$.2A6BA2BA26.3BD$.2AB.5B2AB25.3BD$2.B
2.8B24.4B$5.8B3.2B18.4B$6.12B17.4B$6.14B14.4B$6.15B12.4B$4.18B10.4B$
2.21B8.4B$2.2BA19B6.4B$.3BABA19B3.5B$2.2B3A20B.7B$.5BA29B$2.8B.25B.2B
$4B8.26B2A$2B10.24B.B2A$2B11.23B2.B$13.24B$15.23B$15.24B$15.23B$14.
25B$14.24B$15.23B$15.25B$17.25B$19.8B2.15B$20.7B3.14B$21.5B5.13B$19.B
.7B4.12B$13.B.13B3.12B$8.30B.3B4.2A$6.D37B3.A$5.B3D31B2.2A.A$6.DBD15B
2A13B3.2AB2A$8.D15B2A6B.6B4.B$10.2B2.2B3.11B2.7B3.2A.2A$20.10B2.5B6.A
.A$23.6B3.6B5.A.A$25.3B5.4B7.A$27.B6.AB$27.2A4.A.A.A$28.A3.A.2A.3A$
27.A4.A7.A$27.2A2.2A6.2A!
Very nice! In a strange turn of events, however, the G1 pair it emits turns out to be (at least initially) a problem, since the obvious gun (at p532, formed by chaining two of these conduits) cannot as easily be converted into a single-barrel form:

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x = 83, y = 77, rule = LifeHistory
37.2A.2A$38.A.A$33.2A.A5.A.2A$32.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$31.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$
31.7AB.B7A$35.3B.B.3B$33.3AB.3B.B3A$B31.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$2B30.2A3.BABAB3.
2A$3B34.BABAB$4B33.2BA2B$5B32.2B.2B$.5B31.5B.B$2.5B30.9B$3.5B28.2A8B$
4.5B26.A2BA6B2A15.2A2.2A6.2A$5.5B25.B2A5B.B2A15.A4.A7.A$6.5B24.8B2.B17.
A3.A.2A.3A$7.5B18.2B3.8B19.2A4.A.A.A$8.5B17.12B20.B6.AB$9.5B14.14B18.
3B5.4B7.A$10.5B12.15B16.6B3.6B5.A.A$11.5B10.18B11.10B2.5B6.A.A$12.5B8.
22B2.2B3.11B2.7B3.2A.2A$13.5B6.35B2A6B.6B4.B$14.5B3.37B2A13B3.2AB2A$13.
7B.54B2.2A.A$12.67B3.A$9.2B.25B.35B.3B4.2A$8.2A26B8.5B.13B3.12B$8.2AB
.24B10.4B4.B.7B4.12B$9.B2.23B11.5B5.5B5.13B$11.24B13.4B3.7B3.14B$10.2A
21B16.4B.8B2.15B$9.B2A21B17.27B$10.A2B3A17B17.25B$9.4BA2BA5BA11B16.23B
$10.3BABA5BABA10B15.24B$10.2A8BA3B3A6B16.25B$8.2B2A2BA18B17.23B$6.8B3A
7B2A7B17.24B$4.9BA2BA2B2.AB2A4B.4B16.23B$4.8BA2BA2B3.3A4B3.4B13.24B$4.
8BA2BAB5.5B5.5B11.23B2.B$4.8B3AB4.7B.B4.4B10.24B.B2A$5.12B3.13B.5B8.26B
2A$2A4.3B.35B.25B.2B$A3.61BA5B$2.A.2A2.54B.A6B$.2AB2A3.13B2A37B3.3BAB
$4.B4.6B.6B2A35B6.A4B$.2A.2A3.7B2.11B3.2B2.22B8.3BAB$2.A.A6.5B2.10B11.
18B10.A4B$2.A.A5.6B3.6B16.15B12.3BAB$3.A7.4B5.3B18.14B14.A4B$12.BA6.B
20.12B17.4BA$10.A.A.A4.2A19.8B3.2B18.BA3B$8.3A.2A.A3.A17.B2.8B24.4BA$
7.A7.A4.A15.2AB.5B2AB25.BA3B$7.2A6.2A2.2A15.2A6BA2BA26.4BA$37.8B2A28.
BA3B$37.9B30.4BA$39.B.5B31.BA3B$41.2B.2B32.4BA$41.2BA2B33.BABA$41.BAB
AB34.B2A$36.2A3.BABAB3.2A30.2B$36.A.BA3BA3BAB.A31.B$37.3AB.3B.B3A$39.
3B.B.3B$35.7AB.B7A$35.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$36.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$37.2A.A5.A.
2A$42.A.A$41.2A.2A!
Luckily, though, 532 isn't too awkward of a period, and one pair of streams can be eaten by an eater 2 and one out of the other pair by a p4 sparker:

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x = 83, y = 77, rule = LifeHistory
37.2A.2A$38.A.A$33.2A.A5.A.2A$32.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$31.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$
31.7AB.B7A$35.3B.B.3B$33.3AB.3B.B3A$32.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$32.2A3.BABAB3.2A
$37.BABAB$37.2BA2B$37.2B.2B$37.5B.B$37.9B$36.2A8B$35.A2BA6B2A15.2A2.2A
6.2A$11.A23.B2A5B.B2A15.A4.A7.A$10.A.A22.8B2.B17.A3.A.2A.3A$10.A.A17.
2B3.8B19.2A4.A.A.A$8.3A.2A16.12B20.B6.AB$7.A4.B15.14B18.3B5.4B7.A$8.3A
B2AB12.15B16.6B3.6B5.A.A$10.A.2AB11.18B11.10B2.5B6.A.A$12.5B8.22B2.2B
3.11B2.7B3.2A.2A$14.4B6.35B2A6B.6B4.B$14.5B3.37B2A13B3.2AB2A$13.7B.54B
2.2A.A$12.67B3.A$9.2B.25B.35B.3B4.2A$8.2A26B8.5B.13B3.12B$8.2AB.24B10.
4B4.B.7B4.12B$9.B2.23B11.5B5.5B5.13B$11.24B13.4B3.7B3.14B$10.2A21B16.
4B.8B2.15B$9.B2A21B17.27B$10.A2B3A17B17.25B$9.4BA2BA5BA11B16.23B$10.3B
ABA5BABA10B15.24B$10.2A8BA3B3A6B16.25B$8.2B2A2BA18B17.23B$6.8B3A7B2A7B
17.24B$4.9BA2BA2B2.AB2A4B.4B16.23B$4.8BA2BA2B3.3A4B3.4B13.24B$4.8BA2B
AB5.5B5.5B11.23B2.B$4.8B3AB4.7B.B4.4B10.24B.B2A$5.12B3.13B.5B8.26B2A$
2A4.3B.35B.25B.2B$A3.67B$2.A.2A2.54B.7B$.2AB2A3.13B2A37B3.5B$4.B4.6B.
6B2A35B6.5B$.2A.2A3.7B2.11B3.2B2.22B8.5B$2.A.A6.5B2.10B11.18B7.B.6B$2.
A.A5.6B3.6B16.15B3.2A.6B.4B$3.A7.4B5.3B18.14B4.A2.4B4.4B$12.BA6.B20.12B
7.7A4.4B$10.A.A.A4.2A19.8B3.2B4.3A2.4ABA4.4B$8.3A.2A.A3.A17.B2.8B9.A2.
A.B2A.2B5.4B$7.A7.A4.A15.2AB.5B2AB10.2A6.ABAB4.4B$7.2A6.2A2.2A15.2A6B
A2BA19.2AB5.4B$37.8B2A21.AB6.4B$37.9B19.BABAB.2A4.4B$39.B.5B16.2A.2AB
.A2.A5.4B$41.2B.2B16.A.4ABA.A7.3BA$41.2BA2B17.BAB.A2.A9.ABA$41.BABAB18.
A.A.2A11.2A$36.2A3.BABAB3.2A11.A.A.A.A$36.A.BA3BA3BAB.A10.A.A.2A2.A$37.
3AB.3B.B3A11.A.A4.2A$39.3B.B.3B14.2A$35.7AB.B7A$35.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$
36.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$37.2A.A5.A.2A$42.A.A$41.2A.2A!
Sadly, this is larger than the p532 gun in the collection — so it's not really useful unless someone actually wants a p532 G1 pair gun...
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » December 20th, 2020, 6:09 pm

A for awesome wrote:
December 20th, 2020, 6:00 pm
Luckily, though, 532 isn't too awkward of a period, and one pair of streams can be eaten by an eater 2 and one out of the other pair by a p4 sparker...
You don't really need the sparker -- the history cells weren't all in quite the right places, so there's room for a 7x9 eater in the center:

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x = 81, y = 77, rule = LifeHistory
36.2A.2A$37.A.A$32.2A.A5.A.2A$31.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$30.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$
30.7AB.B7A$34.3B.B.3B$32.3AB.3B.B3A$31.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$31.2A3.BABAB3.2A
$36.BABAB$36.2BA2B$36.2B.2B$36.5B.B$36.9B$35.2A8B$34.A2BA6B2A15.2A2.
2A6.2A$10.A23.B2A5B.B2A15.A4.A7.A$9.A.A22.8B2.B17.A3.A.2A.3A$9.A.A17.
2B3.8B19.2A4.A.A.A$7.3A.2A16.12B20.B6.AB$6.A4.B15.11BA2B18.3B5.4B$7.
3AB2AB12.11B2AB17.6B3.6B$9.A.2AB11.11BA2B2A2B11.10B2.5B$11.5B8.12B2A
4BA3B2.2B3.11B2.7B$13.4B6.17B3A15B2A6B.6B$13.5B3.20B2A15B2A13B$12.7B.
54B$11.63B$8.2B.25B.35B.2B$7.2A26B12.B.13B3.11B$7.2AB.24B18.B.7B4.10B
$8.B2.23B5.2A3.A10.5B5.12B$10.24B5.A3.A.A8.7B3.13B$9.23B8.A3.2A7.8B2.
14B$8.24B9.A9.24B.B2A$9.23B7.A.5A3.25B2.BA.A$10.23B6.2A4.A3.23B7.A$2A
9.22B9.3A3.24B7.2A$.A7.23B7.2A.A5.25B$.A.AB2.25B7.A.A7.5B2A16B$2.2AB.
26B17.3B2A19B$4.14B2.8B.4B16.3B2AB2A15B$4.13B3.7B3.4B13.8BA2BA12B$4.
12B5.5B5.4B12.5B2A3B2A11B2.B$5.10B4.7B.B4.4B10.6B2ABA14B.B2A$5.11B3.
13B.4B9.6BA2BABA14B2A$6.2B.35B.9B3A4BA8B.2B$7.33BD13BA4BABA8B$7.31B3D
20B.7B$8.13B2A15BDBD19B3.5B$8.6B.6B2A15BD19B6.4B$8.7B2.11B3.2B2.22B8.
4B$10.5B2.10B11.18B10.4B$9.6B3.6B16.15B12.4B$10.4B5.3B18.14B14.4B$11.
BA6.B20.12B17.4B$9.A.A.A4.2A19.8B3.2B18.4B$7.3A.2A.A3.A17.B2.8B24.4B$
6.A7.A4.A15.2AB.5B2AB25.4B$6.2A6.2A2.2A15.2A6BA2BA26.4B$36.8B2A28.4B$
36.9B30.4B$38.B.5B31.4B$40.2B.2B32.3BA$40.2BA2B33.ABA$40.BABAB34.2A$
35.2A3.BABAB3.2A$35.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$36.3AB.3B.B3A$38.3B.B.3B$34.7AB.B7A
$34.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$35.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$36.2A.A5.A.2A$41.A.A$40.2A.2A
!
-- not that that makes any difference to the bounding box. One of MathAndCode's alternative eaters cut off a couple of columns, though.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by EvinZL » December 22nd, 2020, 2:38 pm

Reduced h-to-3g

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x = 57, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A3.2A$13.A5.A$10.2A.A5.A.2A$9.A.A.2A3.2A.A.A$8.A2.B2.BA.AB2.B2.A$
8.7AB.B7A$12.3B.B.3B$10.3AB.3B.B3A$9.A.BA3BA3BAB.A$9.2A3.BABAB3.2A$14.
BABAB$14.2BA2B$14.2B.2B$12.B.5B$10.9B30.4B$10.8B2A28.4B$9.2A6BA2BA26.
4B$9.2AB.5B2AB25.4B$10.B2.8B24.4B$13.8B3.2B18.4B$14.12B17.4B$14.14B14.
4B$14.15B12.4B$12.18B10.4B$10.21B8.4B$10.2BC19B6.4B$9.3BCBC19B3.5B$10.
2B3C20B.7B$9.5BC29B2.B$8.10B.25B.B2A$7.4B9.26B2A$6.4B10.24B.2B$5.4B12.
23B$4.4B13.24B$3.4B16.23B$2.4B17.24B9.B$.4B18.23B9.2B$4B18.25B7.3B$3B
19.24B7.4B$2B21.23B6.4B$B22.25B3.4B$25.29B$27.8B2.16B$28.7B3.14B$29.5B
5.13B$31.2B7.12B$39.12B$35.15B$34.16B$34.15B$34.14B$32.2AB.10B$31.A.A
B2.7B$31.A6.6B$30.2A9.2B!

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x = 59, y = 12, rule = B2i3-kq4j/S2-i3
.2A7.2A35.2A7.2A$3A7.3A15.3A15.3A7.3A$.2A7.2A15.A3.A15.2A7.2A$26.A5.A
$26.A5.A$26.3A.3A2$26.3A.3A$26.A5.A$26.A5.A$27.A3.A$28.3A!

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by MathAndCode » December 30th, 2020, 5:35 pm

I happened to find this:

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
3.A.2A$3.3A6.2A.A$4.A7.A.2A2$5.2A$5.2A16$4.3D2.2A$4.D4.A.A$3.3D5.A$11.
2A$.D$D$3D3.2A$6.A$7.3A$9.A!
Is there a permanent catalyst that works in this situation? The closest I could find was this:

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x = 12, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
10.A$4.3C2.A.A$4.C4.A.A$3.3C4.A2$.D$D$3D3.2A$6.A$7.3A$9.A!
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Scorbie » December 30th, 2020, 9:29 pm

MathAndCode wrote:
December 30th, 2020, 5:35 pm
I happened to find this:

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
3.A.2A$3.3A6.2A.A$4.A7.A.2A2$5.2A$5.2A16$4.3D2.2A$4.D4.A.A$3.3D5.A$11.
2A$.D$D$3D3.2A$6.A$7.3A$9.A!
Is there a permanent catalyst that works in this situation? The closest I could find was this:

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x = 12, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
10.A$4.3C2.A.A$4.C4.A.A$3.3C4.A2$.D$D$3D3.2A$6.A$7.3A$9.A!
That reaction relies on the catalyst's leftmost two cells removed on gen 8 (otherwise it would make a hard-to-reach HF) so my best bet would be Bellman.
Best wishes to you! - Scorbie

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by MathAndCode » December 30th, 2020, 10:29 pm

Scorbie wrote:
December 30th, 2020, 9:29 pm
That reaction relies on the catalyst's leftmost two cells removed on gen 8 (otherwise it would make a hard-to-reach HF) so my best bet would be Bellman.
Unfortunately, I don't have Windows, so let's hope that someone who does sees this.
I have reduced the cost of universal construction to seventeen gliders and probably to sixteen. All that remains is for the universal operations to be found.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Scorbie » December 30th, 2020, 10:31 pm

Bellman can be run on Linux as well. There's an ubuntu binary in Bellman-szlim repo. (and compiling isn't too hard)
Best wishes to you! - Scorbie

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