H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » October 16th, 2019, 4:13 pm

Can a catalyst replace the yellow block?

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x = 37, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
8.A13.4B$7.A.A11.4B$7.A.A10.4B$5.3A.2A8.4B$4.A13.4B$.A2.4A.2A6.4B$.3A
3.A.2A5.4B$4.A10.4B$3.2A9.4B13.2D$13.4B14.D$12.D3B13.D.D$11.B2DB14.2D
$11.DBD2$28.2E$24.D.2D2E$24.3D6.2D$25.D7.D.D$35.D$C25.2D7.2D$C.C23.2D
$3C$2.C3$9.2A3.2A$10.A3.A$7.3A5.3A$7.A9.A8$25.3D$25.D$24.3D!
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » October 16th, 2019, 4:52 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 4:13 pm
Can a catalyst replace the yellow block?
This would be an NE0, and I can't seem to find any H-to-Gs with an NE0 output, so I guess this would be new.

If something does show up it will seems a little strange, though. This is also the glider that very nearly escapes from an Fx158, but then has to be suppressed to avoid a pi explosion:

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x = 30, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
9bo4b2o$8bobo2bobo$7bo2b4o$7bobo4bo$5b3ob2o2b2o$4bo$bo2b4ob2o$b3o3bob
2o$4bo$3b2o7$29bo$27b3o$27bo$27bo$o$obo$3o$2bo2$15b2o$9b2o4bobo$10bo6b
o$7b3o7b2o$7bo!
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So the glider has been well-known since David Buckingham discovered it almost a quarter century ago. Is it really true that in all that time, nobody has figured out how to help that poor glider escape?

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Jormungant » October 19th, 2019, 5:10 am

dvgrn wrote:
October 16th, 2019, 4:52 pm
This would be an NE0, and I can't seem to find any H-to-Gs with an NE0 output, so I guess this would be new.

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x = 56, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
40.4B$39.4B$38.4B$37.4B$22.A13.4B$21.A.A11.4B$21.A.A10.4B$19.3A.2A8.
4B$18.A4.B8.A3B$15.A2.4AB2AB5.B2AB$15.3A3.A.2AB.2B.BABA$18.A4.10B$17.
2AB4.9B8.2C$17.5B.12B.3B.B.C$19.22B.C.2C$17.24B2C.C$17.26B.C$16.25B3.
C.2C$16.25B2.2C.2C$17.23B$16.20B$14.20B$12.19B$12.2BC16B$11.3BCBC4B.
9B$12.2B3C4B2.7B$11.5BC4B3.5B$11.9B5.4B$11.2B10.4B.B2A$11.B11.2A3.BA.
A$24.A6.A$21.3A7.2A$21.A!
well
Boom, found by hand. now the question is, is it new?

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Jormungant » October 19th, 2019, 5:23 am

mmm, I found something I had in some other file, so I guess it was already known:

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x = 41, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
28.4B$27.4B$26.4B$25.3AB$14.2A8.3BA$10.A.A2.A7.3BA3.A$8.3A.2A8.4B3.A.
A$7.A4.B8.4B4.A.A$4.A2.4AB2AB5.4B4.2A.2A$4.3A3.A.2AB.2B.4B6.B$7.A4.
10B6.2AB2A3.2A$6.2AB4.9B6.2A.A.A.A.A$6.5B.12B3.4B2.A.A$8.23B.2A.2A$6.
25B$6.25B$5.27B$5.27B$6.25B$5.21B.4B.2B2.2A$3.20B5.3B2ABA2.A$.19B10.A
BAB3A$3BC16B10.A.A$3BCBC4B.9B8.3A.5A$3B3C4B2.7B8.A3.A4.A$5BC4B3.5B9.
2A2.A.A$9B5.3B15.2A$2B10.7B$B11.2A.B.2A$13.A3.A$10.3A5.3A$10.A9.A$B$
2B!
well, I prefer my stabilization >.>

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » October 19th, 2019, 7:05 am

Jormungant wrote:
October 19th, 2019, 5:23 am
mmm, I found something I had in some other file, so I guess it was already known...

well, I prefer my stabilization >.>
Definitely an improvement, thanks! The problem was that I somehow managed to mis-classify it, working by hand from the existing H-to-G list. The script now happily classifies it as the known NE2T56:

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x = 42, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.5D2.3D2.5D.5D2.3D$2D2.D.D5.D3.D3.D3.D5.D$D.D.D.D9.D3.D3.D5.D$D2.
2D.3D6.D4.D4.3D2.4D$D3.D.D7.D5.D7.D.D3.D$D3.D.D6.D6.D3.D3.D.D3.D$D3.D
.5D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D4$.3D2.D3.D8.3D2.5D2.3D4.D$D3.D.D3.D7.D3.D3.D3.D3.D
2.2D$D5.D3.D11.D3.D7.D3.D$.3D2.D.D.D.5D4.D4.D6.D4.D$4.D.D.D.D9.D5.D5.
D5.D$D3.D.2D.2D8.D6.D4.D6.D$.3D2.D3.D7.5D3.D3.5D2.3D3$38.4B$37.4B$36.
4B$35.4B$34.4B$33.4B$32.4B$31.4B$16.A13.4B$15.A.A11.4B$15.A.A10.4B$
13.3A.2A8.4B$12.A4.B8.4B$9.A2.4AB2AB5.4B$9.3A3.A.2AB.2B.4B$12.A4.10B$
11.2AB4.9B8.2A$11.5B.12B.3B.B.A$13.22B.A.2A$11.24B2A.A$11.26B.A$10.
25B3.A.2A$10.25B2.2A.2A$11.23B$10.20B$8.20B$6.19B$6.2BC16B$5.3BCBC4B.
9B$6.2B3C4B2.7B$5.5BC4B3.5B$4.10B5.4B$3.4B10.4B.B2A$2.4B11.2A3.BA.A$.
4B13.A6.A$4B11.3A7.2A$3B12.A$2B$B!
So my apologies for the confusion, and luckily something good came out of it anyway!

Annual Appeal
Here I might as well renew my annual appeal for someone to take over and update the H-to-G collection properly. Ideally the H-to-G stamp collection should be buildable from a script, starting with the individual annotated files in the Elementary Conduits Collection, so that repeat times and such are available.

But a good collection could also contain composite H-to-Gs, maybe even including the smallest known way to get to each lane in each direction. A complete collection of H-to-Gs for some range would make it a lot easier to write a simple script to make circuit connections. There's also some potential for making a smaller universal synchronization toolkit, for a one-step script that takes a glider synthesis as input and automatically builds a complete more-or-less-optimized gun pattern.

Dialing down the ambition a little, just cross-checking with Elementary Conduits and adding everything that has been found since 2016 to the stamp collection at the top of this thread, would be a great start -- would make it much easier to look up timing/lane combinations. Some way of marking the H-to-2Gs would also be nice, maybe just by adding the classification label from the glider pair adjustment toolkit.

I'll do the work myself eventually, but right now there's a painfully large pile of things that are higher on my to-do list -- another Lexicon update for Golly, and a much bigger update for the Online Archives, and so on.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » May 5th, 2020, 10:48 am

Cross-posting an H-to-G from Unsure Discoveries, an adaptation of Extrementhusiast's Herschel conduit by Jormungant, into a very nice medium-clearance edgeshooting SW47T214:

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x = 65, y = 66, rule = LifeHistory
4$7.3D2.D3.D4.D2.5D.5D2.3D4.D6.D$6.D3.D.D3.D3.2D6.D3.D3.D3.D2.2D5.2D$
6.D5.D3.D2.D.D5.D4.D7.D3.D4.D.D$7.3D2.D.D.D.D2.D4.D5.D6.D4.D3.D2.D$
10.D.D.D.D.5D2.D6.D5.D5.D3.5D$6.D3.D.2D.2D4.D2.D7.D4.D6.D6.D$7.3D2.D
3.D4.D2.D7.D3.5D2.3D5.D6$25.2A$21.A.A2.A$19.3A.2A$18.A4.B$19.3AB2AB3.
2B$21.A.2AB2.4B5.2A$25.7B5.A$24.9B.BA.A$24.9B.B2A$24.11B$24.11B$18.B
4.11B$17.3B3.10B$15.6B2.12B$9.4B2.7B.13B$9.27B$6.B2C27B$6.3CB2C24B$7.
2CB3CB2A21B$6.3CB2C2B2A21B$6.2CB2.27B$11.26B$13.B2.20B$15.20B.B.B$14.
24B2A$8.2A3.25B2A$8.A2.A24B.2B$10.2A.21B$14.18B$14.6B2A10B$18.2B2A.
10B$16.5B6.6B$16.2A10.6B$17.A10.3BA3B2.B$14.3A11.2BABA7B$14.A13.2BABA
7B$28.3BA9B$26.2AB.11B$25.A.AB2.9B$25.A7.7B$24.2A7.6B$34.4B$33.4B$32.
4B$31.4B$30.4B$29.4B$28.4B$27.4B!
The insertion mechanism is the same as the old RNE-19T84, but without the period-doubling or extra-cross-lane-glider side effects. Also the same as the more recent NE-27T176, but that one wasn't an edge-shooter.

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by dvgrn » June 22nd, 2020, 11:17 am

Cross-posting two H-to-Gs by Goldtiger997, from the Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits thread.

They're NE-1T153 and NE2T116 -- the first examples of H-to-E-to-G, I think:

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x = 124, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
10.D3.D.5D9.D3.5D3.D3.5D2.3D24.D3.D.5D2.3D2.5D3.D5.D4.3D$10.2D2.D.D
12.2D5.D4.2D3.D5.D3.D23.2D2.D.D5.D3.D3.D4.2D4.2D3.D$10.D.D.D.D13.D5.D
5.D3.D9.D23.D.D.D.D9.D3.D5.D5.D3.D$10.D2.2D.3D3.5D3.D5.D5.D4.3D4.2D
24.D2.2D.3D6.D4.D5.D5.D3.4D$10.D3.D.D13.D5.D5.D7.D5.D23.D3.D.D7.D5.D
5.D5.D3.D3.D$10.D3.D.D13.D5.D5.D3.D3.D.D3.D23.D3.D.D6.D6.D5.D5.D3.D3.
D$10.D3.D.5D8.3D4.D4.3D3.3D3.3D24.D3.D.5D.5D3.D4.3D3.3D3.3D$123.B$
122.2B$121.3B$120.4B$27.2A68.2A20.4B$25.2B2AB15.B49.2B2AB18.4B$25.4B
15.2B49.4B18.4B$24.4B15.3B48.4B18.4B$25.4B13.4B49.4B16.4B$25.5B11.4B
50.5B14.4B$23.7B10.4B49.7B13.4B$13.2A7.8B9.4B40.2A7.8B12.4B$14.A7.9B
7.4B42.A7.9B10.4B$14.A.AB3.12B4.4B43.A.AB3.12B7.4B$15.2AB2.13B3.4B45.
2AB2.13B6.4B$17.22B48.18B3.4B$17.21B49.18B2.4B$17.20B50.23B$18.18B52.
21B$14.B.20B48.B.22B$13.2AB.19B47.2AB.20B$13.2A21B47.2A21B$14.B.20B
48.B.20B$16.22B48.22B$16.22B48.23B$16.22B48.23B$16.22B48.23B2.2A$16.
10B2.11B47.10B2.11BA2.A$16.10B3.12B45.10B4.6B.2B3A$15.10B5.6BA5B43.
10B6.5B2.B$15.10B5.5BABA3B44.10B6.4B4.2A.A.2A$7.2A6.10B7.3B2A4B36.2A
6.10B6.B2AB5.A.2A.A$8.A7.9B8.B2.4B38.A7.9B7.2A6.A$8.A.AB4.9B.2B4.3B
43.A.AB4.9B.2B11.2A$9.2AB.14B2A3.B2AB43.2AB.14B2A$11.16B2A4.2A46.16B
2A$11.14B.2B53.14B.2B$12.13B57.13B$11.14B.2B53.14B.2B$9.18B2A50.18B2A
$7.18B.B2A48.18B.B2A$7.2BC15B2.B49.2BC15B2.B$6.3BCBC4B.8B51.3BCBC4B.
8B$7.2B3C4B2.7B52.2B3C4B2.7B$6.5BC4B2.7B51.5BC4B2.7B$5.10B3.7B50.10B
3.7B$4.4B11.7B48.4B11.7B$4.3B12.7B48.3B12.7B$2.4B13.6B47.4B13.6B$2.2A
16.5B47.2A16.5B$3.A14.6B49.A14.6B$3A15.6B46.3A15.6B$A17.4B48.A17.4B$
18.2B2AB65.2B2AB$20.2A68.2A!
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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Jormungant » August 20th, 2020, 12:48 pm

Dug this from the forums... is it missing in the collections? (at least I did not see it in the elem conduits)

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x = 114, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
7$106.C$104.2C$105.2C30$44.2A$44.A$41.A4.A2.2A$41.5A.A2.A$4.C22.2A16.
B.2A.A.2A$5.C22.A10.4AB3AB2.A2.A$3.3CB21.A.AB7.A2.A.A3B2A.A$4.4B10.A
10.2AB.3B4.7B2.A.2A$5.4B7.3A12.7B3.7B.A$6.4B5.A15.16B.2A$7.4B4.2A15.
15B$2A6.9B14.16B$.A7.6B14.18B$.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B$2.A2.A4.19BC15B3.
2A$3.2AB3.20BCBC4B.7B5.A$4.14B2A9B3C4B2.7B4.A.2A$5.13B2A11BC4B2.8B4.A
.A$6.29B4.7B5.B$6.17B.4B10.8B2.B.3B$7.15B2.5B9.16B$7.15B5.A2B.2A5.17B
$8.13B5.A.A2B.A5.18B$10.13B2.A.AB2.A5.20B$9.8B4.2A.A.A3.A7.19B$9.6B6.
2ABA2.4A.A5.19B$9.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A5.17B$9.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A6.11B$10.
3B9.A.A2.2A3.A11.6B$9.B2AB9.A.A19.6B$10.2A11.A4.3D.3D.3D4.7B$30.D.D3.
D5.10B$28.3D.3D.3D2.BD2B.4B2A$28.D5.D.D.D.2D.B4.2BAB2.2A$28.3D.3D.3D
2B2D5.A.A.A2.A$38.4B4.3A.A.2A$37.4B4.A3.A.A$36.4B5.2A2.A.A$35.4B11.A!

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Re: H-to-G and H-to-Gn converter collection

Post by Kazyan » September 12th, 2020, 1:38 pm

Known lane, different timing:

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x = 43, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
3B8.4B$4B8.4B$.4B8.4B$2.4B8.4B$3.4B8.4B$4.4B8.4B$5.4B8.4B18.A$6.4B8.
4B16.A.A$7.4B8.4B15.A.A$8.4B8.4B13.2A.2A$9.5B7.4B13.B$10.5B6.4B12.2AB
2A$10.7B4.5B11.2A.A$10.8B2.9B9.B3.A$10.8B2.9B5.A4B2.2A$10.19B4.ABA3B$
12.17B2.BA2BA2B2A$11.19B.2B2AB.B2A$11.24B3.B$12.21B$12.20B$12.20B$12.
19B$11.19B$11.19B.B$12.19B2A$10.19B.B2A$10.18B3.B$10.C15B$10.CBC14B$
10.3C14B9.2A$10.2BC14B9.A$10.21B2.BA.A$13.18B2.B2A$15.20B$15.19B$16.
18B$15.20B$15.21B$15.21B$15.22B.B$16.22B2A$17.21B2A$17.22B$18.17B.3B$
18.11B.2B.B$20.9B2.2B$20.3B.4B2.2BAB$21.B2.3B4.A.A$24.3B5.A$24.2B.A$
22.2AB.A.A$21.A.AB2.2A$21.A$20.2A!
It's pretty big, and the naive snark-and-syring loop is a p420+8n gun, so I don't think this helps for the gun collection--but it's here.
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