Methusynthesae

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Methusynthesae

Post by Gustavo6046 » February 3rd, 2015, 9:22 am

Methusynthesae are a brand new category for the ConwayLife community. The one I discovered, Methusynthesis 1, is a big step and also have an good lifespan to balance it's small population and bounding box. See more info in the Lifewiki. I hate everyone saying my discoveries are non-trivial or non-notable, all I want is to document and include more patterns, somewhat bulk, and help LifeWiki by expanding it! Sorry if I reached a huge extent of emotion but anyways. THIS thread is the RIGHT one for discussing Methusynthesae and their purpose!
*yawn* What a nothing-to-do day! Let's be the only person in the world to do CGOL during boring times. :)

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by simsim314 » February 3rd, 2015, 9:45 am

Gustavo you can't invent a category, and post some random pattern from this "pseudo category" and ask people to add patterns to it.

Here is my category: Randomnae. Here is the only known pattern from this category:

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x = 60, y = 60, rule = B3/S23
5bo2bob3ob2o2b2ob2ob2ob2obo5b2obob2ob3o3bo2b4o2bo$6bo2bo2b2o6b3ob3o2bo
b3o5b3o3b2o2b4o2b4o$2o2bobo2b4o3bo3b2ob2ob2o3bob2ob2o4b6obob2o2b2o2bo$
2o2b5ob4obo2bo2bo3bobob3o4b4ob2ob2o2bobo2b2o2b2o$o3bo2b2o4b3ob2ob4obo
2b3o2b2ob2ob2o7b5o2b3o$b2obobob2o2b2obo5bobo5b2ob2obo3bo3b3obo2bo2b2ob
o$b4o2bobob5o4bobobob2o3b2o3bo2bo4bo2bo4bo3bob2o$4ob5obobo3b4obo2b2ob
2o2bo2bobob4obo2bo5bobobo$2bobo2bobo2b2o2b2o2bobo3b5o3bob3o7bobo2bo2b
2o3bo$2o4b4o2bob3obobo4bo13bob2o5b4obob3o$4obobob3o2b6o5b2obo2bo2bo4b
3o3b2ob2obo2bo2b3o$2b2o5b3o2bob4o2b2o2bobobobobobo3bob3obo3bob2obob2o$
b2o2b3o2b3o2bo4b5obo2b3obob2ob2obob4o2b2obob2o3bo$ob5o2bo4b2o2bo2b2ob
2o2b6obob2o2b2ob3o2b3ob2ob2obo$bo5b3o3bo6b2ob2ob2o2b4o2b2obob3obo3b2ob
ob2o$b2obo2bo4b3obo4b2obobob7o6b2obobo2b2o2b2ob2obo$obobo7bo2bobo7b2ob
2obobo3bo6bobobobobo$o2b2o2bo6b2obo2bob2o7bob4o2b2o3b2obo2bob2o2b2obo$
3o9bo4b2ob9o2b2ob2obob2o4b2o2bo2b2obob2o$2b2o2bo2b2ob2ob3obo3bo2b2o3bo
2bobo4bo2bo3bob2o4bo2bo$obo5b2o2bob5o4b3obo2b2o2b2ob3obo2b4obob2obobob
2o$b2o2b2o5bob2obob10obobo2b4obo3bob2ob2ob2ob2obo$ob4ob2o3b4obo3bo4bob
2ob2o3b4ob2ob3obo2bobo2b3o$4bo2b9o2bobo7bo2bo2bo2b3obo3b2obob2obobo$bo
bob2obo4b2o2b4ob2o3bob2ob2ob2ob2o3b3obobob2o3bo2bo$3ob3ob2o5b3o2bob3ob
ob2ob2o6bobobob4ob2ob3ob3o$o2bo2bobo2bobob3o2bo2b4obobobob2obo4bobobo
5bobobo$ob3o2b2ob3ob2ob2ob4obob3o3b3ob3ob3o5b5obo3bo$2o4bobo8bo2bo3b2o
b4obo2b2o2b2ob3o3b7ob2obo$2o5b2o3b2ob4obo4bo3bo6b2o2bob3obo2b2o3bobob
2o$2o4b4o2b2o2b3ob3ob2obob2obo2b3o2b2o2b5ob2o2bob4o$3b2o2b2o3b5o3bob3o
4b2o2b6ob3o2bo2bo4bo2b2obo$b5o2b3obo7bo2bob2ob2o2bo2b2obo3bo2bo2b2obo
2b2o2bo$bo2b6obo2bobo2bo2b3ob2ob3o5bobob2o2bobo3bob2ob3o$obo7b6o4b2obo
b5o2b3o3b4obo2bobo2bo5b3o$2b8ob4obobob2ob2obobob3obob3obo4bo3b2o2bob2o
bo$obobo2bobob2o3b4o3bobobo2b4o5b2ob3ob3o3bobo2bobo$4b2ob3o2b2o3b4ob2o
6bo2bo3b2obobo7b6o2b2o$2o2b3ob5ob6ob2o3b2obob3o2b2o6bobobo3b6obo$o2bob
7ob5o2b3obobob2o3bob3ob2obo2bobo3bo2bobo$bob3o3bob2o2b2ob7ob3obobo2b3o
5b2o2bob2o2b2o3bo$2o2b2o2bo2bo6bo3bobo2bobo2b3obobo2b4ob2o2bobo2b3o$bo
bo2b3o2bo3bob2o2bo2b3ob3obo3bob2ob2o2bobob2ob2obo2bo$ob3obob2o2bobobob
3obobo2bo4bo3b2ob2obo3bo6bob5o$b4o3b6obo4b3o2b2o2bob3obobob7obo2bobob
4o$bo2b3o3bo2bobob2ob2obob2obo10bo4b8o2b4o$3bo3bo2bo2b2obo2bo8bobobobo
2bo3bob5obo2b3ob2o$o3b8ob4ob4ob2o2bo4b2obobo2bo3b4o5bo4b2o$2ob4ob5obob
3o2bobob7o4b2o3b2o4b2obo3bo4bo$2obob2o2b3o2bobob4obo3b4obo2b5o3b9o3bo
3bo$b4obobob2o2bo2bo4bo3b4o3bobob5ob4o3b3obob4o$obobob3ob3ob3o4bobobo
3b2o4bo3b5o3bobo2b4o2bo$4bobob8o2bobobob2o4bo3bobob2obobo3b2o2bo2b2obo
bo$bob2obo4b14o3bo3b2obob3ob3obobob4ob3ob2o$4obob6o2b2o2bo2bobo4b2obob
2obo3bo2bob2o2b3obo3bo$2obo2bobo2bo2b3o2bob2ob2o2b2ob4ob2ob2o5bo2bo3bo
bo3bo$ob2o4b4o4bob2o5bob2obo9bob9ob6o$2ob2obob2o3bo6bob2o2bo2b7obo5b2o
2b2ob3o2b4o$2o2bob2o3b3o3bobobo2bobo2bo2bobobo3b2obo2b4o3bo2b2obo$b6ob
o2bobobob5o3bob2o2b3ob2obo4b3ob3obo5bobo!

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by Gustavo6046 » February 3rd, 2015, 9:58 am

Thank you a lot lot lot lot lot! All I wish was to help the community, and you deserve my help as you supported my rather weird concept.
I accept it though I think it isn't much like a methusynthesae, it isn't composed of slightly modified or damaged spaceships, have you been using Golly's half-fill feature? :S
*yawn* What a nothing-to-do day! Let's be the only person in the world to do CGOL during boring times. :)

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by simsim314 » February 3rd, 2015, 10:28 am

Gustavo6046 wrote:All I wish was to help the community
Hey as far as I see it our community needs people who are willing to do mildly obvious and yet productive tasks.

Here is very beneficial task for the community that everyone so far (including myself) are lazy enough to do. Take the latest glider gun collection and replace any inefficient period multipliers by Guam's semi-snark:

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x = 46, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
4$8bo$9bo$7b3o18$28bo$29bo9b2o$27b3o9bo$37bobo$37b2o2$22b2o$22b2o2$31b
2o$31b2o6b2o$39b2o3$27bo$26bobo$26b2o6b2o$34bo$35b3o$37bo!
I promise to include your name on any gun you've improved this way (at least where it depends on me), and people will appreciate your investment. There are somewhere between 10 to 50 such guns.

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by Gustavo6046 » February 3rd, 2015, 10:30 am

simsim314 wrote:
Gustavo6046 wrote:All I wish was to help the community
Hey as far as I see it our community needs people who are willing to do mildly obvious and yet productive tasks.

Here is very beneficial task for the community that everyone so far (including myself) are lazy enough to do. Take the latest glider gun collection and replace any inefficient period multipliers by Guam's semi-snark:

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x = 46, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
4$8bo$9bo$7b3o18$28bo$29bo9b2o$27b3o9bo$37bobo$37b2o2$22b2o$22b2o2$31b
2o$31b2o6b2o$39b2o3$27bo$26bobo$26b2o6b2o$34bo$35b3o$37bo!
I promise to include your name on any gun you've improved this way (at least where it depends on me), and people will appreciate your investment. There are somewhere between 10 to 50 such guns.
It's a bit hard to do but meh, I will try what I can.
*yawn* What a nothing-to-do day! Let's be the only person in the world to do CGOL during boring times. :)

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by lukebradford » February 3rd, 2015, 10:44 am

Hi Gustavo,

I'll refrain from commenting on the notability of this pattern, which others have already covered. Just thought I should point out that the plural of 'synthesis' is 'syntheses' (because it's from Greek) so I'd expect the plural of 'methusynthesis' to be 'methusyntheses,' not 'methusynthesae.'

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by Gustavo6046 » February 3rd, 2015, 10:54 am

lukebradford wrote:Hi Gustavo,

I'll refrain from commenting on the notability of this pattern, which others have already covered. Just thought I should point out that the plural of 'synthesis' is 'syntheses' (because it's from Greek) so I'd expect the plural of 'methusynthesis' to be 'methusyntheses,' not 'methusynthesae.'
Oops, thank you. Everything I knew about greek was "pyro", "mirmeco", "phobia" and "Zeus". :P Also I have mirmecophobia (fear of ants) with no doubt. This includes the rule Ants (I/DONT/REMEMBER) lol
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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by gameoflifeboy » February 3rd, 2015, 9:58 pm

Speaking of the glider gun collection, I found a way to make P690 smaller, but not using the reflector.
Left: P690 in collection. Right: Smaller P690.

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x = 127, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
91b2o$91b2o$24bo$16bo5b4o65bo$15bobo3bobob2o63bobo$15bobo2bo2bob3o8b2o
52bobo$16bo4bobob2o9b2o53bo$22b4o$24bo$13b2o3b2o68b2o3b2o$13bobobobo
68bobobobo$14b5o70b5o$15b3o72b3o$16bo74bo$34bo74bo$23b2o8b2o15b2o46b2o
8b2o15b2o$23b2o7b2o16b2o46b2o7b2o16b2o$33b2o2b2o69b2o2b2o$9bobo72bobo$
9bo2bo71bo2bo$2o10b2o61b2o10b2o$2o8bo3b2o17b2o2b2o36b2o8bo3b2o17b2o2b
2o$5b2o5b2o18b2o16b2o28b2o5b2o18b2o16b2o$4bo4bo2bo7bo12b2o15b2o27bo4bo
2bo7bo12b2o15b2o$9bobo9bo12bo49bobo9bo12bo$19b3o72b3o!

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by Scorbie » February 3rd, 2015, 10:12 pm

gameoflifeboy wrote:Speaking of the glider gun collection, I found a way to make P690 smaller,
Although I agree with you that the right gun looks smaller, the gun collections compare the bounding box. (I'm not sure why, since it's kinda counter-intuitive to use another shuttle to minimize bounding box and think of it as a smaller one.)
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Methuselah synthesis

Post by unname66609 » February 4th, 2015, 12:03 am

pi = 3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939975...

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by simsim314 » February 4th, 2015, 2:46 am

Scorbie wrote:I'm not sure why, since it's kinda counter-intuitive to use another shuttle to minimize bounding box and think of it as a smaller one.
You can create any glider gun period with constant number of initial cells. Think of duplicator and three snarks, you just need to adjust the timing and placement properly.

On the other hand inside some box you can't place all the possible guns, as inside a box there is 2^(w * h) possible patterns (and thus periods), which limits your options. More precise for very large period N the optimal bounding box should be in order of magnitude of log(N), or in therms of bounding box a square with √log(N) side.

I and dvgrn have created a gun script that generates glider guns of logarithmic size for large periods (above 9K), and although the bounding box is not optimal the convex hull is.
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Re: Methusynthesae

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by unname66609 » February 4th, 2015, 3:25 am

Gustavo6046 wrote:Methusynthesae are a brand new category for the ConwayLife community. The one I discovered, Methusynthesis 1, is a big step and also have an good lifespan to balance it's small population and bounding box. See more info in the Lifewiki. I hate everyone saying my discoveries are non-trivial or non-notable, all I want is to document and include more patterns, somewhat bulk, and help LifeWiki by expanding it! Sorry if I reached a huge extent of emotion but anyways. THIS thread is the RIGHT one for discussing Methusynthesae and their purpose!
“Methusynthesis 1” glider synthesis:

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x = 12, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2b2o3$bo$b2o$obo6$8bo$7bobo$7b2o2$10b2o$10bo$8bobo$8b2o2$5b2o$4bo
bo$6bo!

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Methusynthesis oscillator?

Post by Gustavo6046 » February 4th, 2015, 5:14 pm

Thanks for the glider synthesis, although the result isn't exactly the Methusynthesis 1, thanks to two or three cells displaced, but yet have the surprisingly same lifespan. :P
Now that you are all talking about glider guns (although shouldn't), maybe putting some catalysts around a Methusynthesis 1 to surpress its debris and make a (oscillator?).
*yawn* What a nothing-to-do day! Let's be the only person in the world to do CGOL during boring times. :)

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Re: Methusynthesis oscillator?

Post by unname66609 » February 5th, 2015, 9:20 am

Gustavo6046 wrote:Thanks for the glider synthesis, although the result isn't exactly the Methusynthesis 1, thanks to two or three cells displaced, but yet have the surprisingly same lifespan. :P
Now that you are all talking about glider guns (although shouldn't), maybe putting some catalysts around a Methusynthesis 1 to surpress its debris and make a (oscillator?).
completed “methusynthesis 1” for glider synthesis :

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x = 12, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
3bobo$3b2o$4bo2$obo$b2o$bo7$9bobo$9b2o$10bo4$8b2o$8bobo$8bo!

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Re: Methusynthesae

Post by Gustavo6046 » February 5th, 2015, 1:55 pm

Thank you! Also you don't need to always press that "quote" button - just press the "Post Reply" one in the top left.
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