## The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.
Kazyan
Posts: 925
Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Right, just checking that with the experts since I wasn't sure. I'll be investigating Pi catalysts for Extrementhusiast's idea soon.
Tanner Jacobi

dvgrn
Moderator
Posts: 6163
Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm
Contact:

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Sokwe wrote:It might be possible to get something out of this transparent block reaction...
I didn't find anything better than the H-to-G below, but haven't hunted very long yet. Almost everything seems to be a minor variant of this block catalyst, which leaves some junk and an awkward last-minute glider:

Code: Select all

x = 49, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
6.16B2C.2C$4.18B.C.2C$2.13B2A3B3.C$2.11BA2BA3B2.2C$.10B.7B2.4D$2.9B.A 6B$.10B.A7B$10B3.ABA3BA$3B8.3B2A5B$2B11.2B2A4BAB$B9.2B.3B2A3B3A$D9.2B .2B2A4BAB$D12.B2A5B27.B$11.2BABA3BAB26.2B$13.2A6B25.3B$14.A2B2A3B.2A 20.4B$14.B3A5B2AB18.4B$14.2BA9B17.4B$14.12B16.4B$15.11B15.4B$18.7B15.
4B$17.8B14.4B$13.A.10B13.4B$5.D5.4BA2BA8B4.3B3.4B$5.CA2.2A4B5A7B2A2.
9B$5.CA2.A3BA4B2A2B2A3BABA.8B$5.D3.ABA3B3ABA2B2A5B2A7B$10.2A4BA5B2A2B 4A.6B$14.2B2.5BABA2B3.6B$19.3B2A3BA3.6B$22.B3A!
Sokwe wrote:Edit: This B->G works, but that's fairly boring...
Any time you can get a new transparent object to work, I'd say it's not too boring -- even transparent blocks are fairly rare. It's true that this particular converter is equivalent to an R64 plus a H-to-G#1, so it's an output lane and timing that we had already.

Probably it's going to be a good idea to build an H-to-G database that includes composite outputs along these lines, so that a script can be written to answer questions like: "I have a Herschel at (0,0,0), and I want a [NE|NW|SW|SE] glider to appear at (X,Y,T) -- is there a known way to do this?" For large enough spacetime offsets, the answer is always "yes", but the interesting answers are the "yes" answers for smaller X/Y/T. It's nice when you can occasionally solve a layout problem with some nice compact circuitry.

Extrementhusiast
Posts: 1812
Joined: June 16th, 2009, 11:24 pm
Location: USA

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Well, here's a rather interesting partial B-to-B, which requires a glider to reset it:

Code: Select all

x = 17, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
14bo$13bo$13b3o16$b2o4b2o$b2o4bobo$8bo2$2bo$b3o11bo$2o2bo10b2o$16bo$
16bo$15bo!  I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) unname66609 Posts: 87 Joined: December 20th, 2014, 8:30 am ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Extrementhusiast wrote:Well, here's a rather interesting partial B-to-B, which requires a glider to reset it: Code: Select all x = 17, y = 28, rule = B3/S23 14bo$13bo$13b3o16$b2o4b2o$b2o4bobo$8bo2$2bo$b3o11bo$2o2bo10b2o$16bo$16bo$15bo!

Here is period 244 oscillator:

Code: Select all

x = 307, y = 307, rule = B3/S23
146b2obo$146bob2o25bo$173b3o$147b5o20bo$146bo4bo20b2o22b2obobo$145bo2b o47b2ob2obo$142bo2bob2o43bo9b3o$141bobobo5bo38b3o3b5o4bo$142bo2bo4bobo
36bo5bo4b6o$145b2o2bo2bo13b3o7b2o11b2o4bob3o$150b2o16bo7b2o18bo2bo2b2o
$142b2o23bo29b4o3bo$141bobo2b2o9bo41bo3b2o$141bobobobo8b2obobo$140b2ob
o2bo8b2o2b3o49b2o$139bo3bo2b2o8bo2bobo49bo$140bobo3b2o9b2o3b2o45bobo$139b2obo2b3o10b3ob2o45b2o$142bobo14b2o$139b2obobo19b2o$139b2obo2bo18bo
$143b2o20b3o$167bo$189b2o$189b2o$164bo10b2o$162b3o9bobo$161bo12bo$161b
2o10b2o$153b2o$153b2o6$170b2o$170bo41b2o$168bobo41bobo$168b2o44bo$214b 2o7$204b2o$172b2o30b2o$172bobo$174bo20b2obo$174b2o19bob2o$164b2o$164b
2o$145bob2o56b2o$145b2obo55bo2bo6b2o$204bo8bobo$154b2o47bo3bo5bo$154b 2o46bo4bo4b2o$204bobo$206b2o$206b2o$193b2o9bob2ob2o$194bo10bobo$194bob o9bo$164b2o29b2o15b2o$164bo47b2o$162bobo$161b3o$147bo11b3o33b2o$147b3o 10b2o32bobo$150bo8bo34bo$149b2o42b2o4$148b2o31b2o$148b2o31bo14b2o$179b
obo14b2o13b2o$179b2o30bo$212b3o$149b3o62bo$152bo$142b2o67b2o$142b2o5b
2o59bo2bob2o$150b2o3b2o54bobob2o$150b2o4b2o39bo13bobo$149bo2b5o40b2o9b 3o2bob2o$149b7o39bob2o9b2o3bobo$150bo44b3o10b2o2bo3bo$84b2obobo53b2o6b
o43bobo11bo2bob2o$40bo14b2o27b2ob2obo52b2o63bobobobo$38b3o14bo24b2o8b
3o115b2o2bobo$37bo18b3o6b2o13bo3b5o4bo118b2o$14bo22b2o19bo6b2o11bobo2b
o4b6o55b2o27b2o$14b3o61b2o3bob2o62b2o14b2o11b2o$17bo66b2obob3o74bo$16b 2o27b2o39bo5bo70b3o37b2o$35b2o2bobo3bobob3o35bo3b2o70bo39bo$34b3obo3bo 2bobo40bo115b3o$33b2o6bo3b3o51b2o105bo$7b2o25bob5o3bo3bo50bo$6bobo2b2o
22b4o4bo4bo48bobo$6bobobobo24bo6bo3bo48b2o$5b2obo2bo33bo$4bo3bo$5bobo
3b2o$4b2obobo2bo$7bobo40b2o$4b2obobobo39bo25b2o$4b2obo2bo39bo13b2o3b2o
6b2o$8b2o40b2o13bo3bo$62b3o5b3o$62bo9bo$6b2o$7bo$7bobo13b2o$8b2o13b2o 5$159bo$158bo$76bo81b3o$76b3o$79bo$78b2o9b3obobo$89b3o3bo$9b2o76b2o$9b
2o14b2o60bo3b3o$b2o22bo25bo35bo3bo$2bo23b3o20b3o36bo2bo$2bobo23bo19bo 40bo2bo$3b2o43b2o42bo$36bo55bo$36b3o52b3o$39bo51b3o$38b2o51bo2bo$21b2o 69bo193b2obobo$21bo74bo49b2o4b2o132b2ob2obo$19bobo30b2o11bo28b2obo48b 2o4bobo137b3o4bo$19b2o4b2o25b2o11b3o29bo55bo68b2o62b5o4bo2bobo$26bo41b o28b2o116b2o5b2o61bo5b5o3bo$26bobo38b2o14bo63bo67b2o68bob3o$27b2o53bo 63b3o102b2o33bo6bo3b5o$82b3o60b2o2bo15b2o84bo35bo2bobobo2bo4bo2b2o$165b2o50b2o17b2o14bo36b2o2b2o5bo2bo2bo$217b2o17bo14b2o47b2obobo$35bo 175b2o21bobo60bo5bob2o$33b2o4bo104bo66b2o21b2o60bobo4bo$33bo5b2o16b2o 188bo48bo2bo2b2o$28b2o2b3o5b2o15b2o82bo9b2o12b2o79bo2bo47b2o$24bo3b2o 10bo99bobo8b2o11bobo79bo29b2o$8b2o13bo8bo2b2o2bo100b2o4b2o3bo13bo83bo
26b2o$3b2o2bo2bo13b2o6bo205b3o6b2o$3bo4bobo14bo7bobo35b2o21b2o50b2o2bo
87bo6bob2obo$2obo5bo24bo35bobo21b2o142bobo7bob2o$bobob2o9bo37b2o14bo
17b2o149b2o3bo2b3ob2o$o2bo2bo5b2o3bo36bo14b2o17b2o155bo4bo$2o2bo4bo2bo
5bo36bo86b2o$5b5o3b3obob2o33b2o82bo3b2o134b2o$18b2obo68b2o47b2o97b2o
38bobo$7bo3b6o4bo61b2o5b2o46b2o68b2o28bo41bo$6bobo2bo4b5o62b2o68bo55bo
29b3o11b2o25b2o4b2o$7bo4b3o137bobo4b2o48bobo29bo11b2o30bobo$14bob2ob2o
132b2o4b2o49b2o73bo$15bobob2o263b2o$267b2o$267bo$268b3o$270bo$257b2o
43b2o$198bo59bo19bo23bobo$197b2o56b3o20b3o23bo$197bobo55bo25bo22b2o$
280b2o13bo$294b3o$211b2o73b3o7bo$211b2o14b2o57bo2bo$227bo58bo2bo$228b 3o56bobo$230bo7$282b2o13b2o$282b2o13bobo$219b2o78bo$219b2o78b2o$234bo 9bo$234b3o5b3o$237bo3bo13b2o26bo13b2o$228b2o6b2o3b2o13bo26bobo10bo2bob
2o$228b2o25bo27b2o11b2obob2o$255b2o20b2o16bobobo$211b2o64b2o15bobo2bob 2o$211b2o80bo4b2obo$216b2o69b2o7bobo3bo$216b2o69b2o7bobob2o$208b2o17bo bo64bobobobo$207bobo16bo2bo28b2o34b2o2bobo$207bo19bo2bob2o24b2o38b2o$
100bo105b2o22bo2bo51b2o$100b3o128b2o52b2o$103bo39bo70b2o2b2o11b2o$102b 2o37b3o70bobobo2bo67b2o$140bo74bo6bo66bo$127b2o11b2o14b2o61b3obo3b2o 61b3o$116b2o9b2o27b2o55b5o5bo2bobo11b2o6bo19b2o22bo$93b2o20bobo95bo4b 5o3bo13b2o6b3o18bo$92bobo2b2o12b2o4bo96b3o8b2o24bo14b3o$92bobobobo11bo bo49b2o52bob2ob2o27b2o14bo$91b2obobo12b2obo49b2o53bobob2o$90bo3bo15b2o bo44b2o$91bob2o2bo13b3o44b2o$90b2obob4o$93bobobo$90b2obobobo$90b2obo2b
o66b2o$94b2o67b2o2$92bo$92b3o$95bo30b2o$94b2o13b2o14bobo$109b2o14bo$124b2o4$112b2o42b2o$112bo43bo$110bobo44b3o$110b2o47bo$143b2o$142bobo$
93b2o47bo$93b2o15b2o29b2o$110bobo$112bo$112b2o4$93b2o56b2o$93bo57b2o$91bobo$91b2o65bob2o$158b2obo$141b2o$141b2o$108b2obo19b2o12b2o$108bob2o 20bo$132bobo16bo$101b2o30b2o6b3o7bo4b2o$101b2o37bo3bo5b2o3bo2bo$139bo 5bo9bo3bo$139bo6b3o5b2o3bo$139bo6b2o6bo3bo$140bo3bob3o7bob2obo$141b3o 3bobo3bo2bob2ob2o$147b2o4bo4b2obo$91b2o54bobo3b2o5bo$92bo44b2o8b3o6b4o
$92bobo41bobo9b2o8bo$93b2o41bo$135b2o3$148bo$147bo$147b3o$152b2o$107b
2o43b2o$107b2o23b2o10b2o$132bo12bo$130bobo9b3o$130b2o10bo$116b2o$116b
2o$139bo$99b2o38b3o20b2o$99b2o5b4o32bo18bo2bob2o$106bo2b2o30b2o17bobob
ob2o$107bo2b2o48bobobo$96b2o9bo2bo48b4obob2o$95bobo10b2o50bo2b2obo$95b
o67bo3bo$94b2o65bobob2o$159bobobobo$102b2ob3o51b2o2bobo$102bob4o55b2o$103bo3bo2bo18b2o24b2o$108b2obo4b2o11b2o23bo2bo2b2o$101b5o5bo5bo36bobo 4bo2bo$101bo4b5o3b3o38bo5bobobo$102b3o9bo43b2obo2bo$104bob2ob2o47bo2bo
$105bobob2o22b2o20bo4bo$134bo20b5o$131b3o$131bo25b2obo$157bob2o!  Kazyan Posts: 925 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Extrementhusiast wrote:Well, here's a rather interesting partial B-to-B, which requires a glider to reset it: Code: Select all x = 17, y = 28, rule = B3/S23 14bo$13bo$13b3o16$b2o4b2o$b2o4bobo$8bo2$2bo$b3o11bo$2o2bo10b2o$16bo$16bo$15bo!

There's likely a compact way to hook that up to one of the more complicated B-to-H subcomponents, and point an escaping glider back via Snark. Might be small enough to use for something.

No word on the Pi-in-Bellman front yet. The search is currently exploring what it can do after placing a block like so:

Code: Select all

x = 9, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3o4b2o$2bo4b2o$3o!
Tanner Jacobi

dvgrn
Moderator
Posts: 6163
Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm
Contact:

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Kazyan wrote:There's likely a compact way to hook that up to one of the more complicated B-to-H subcomponents, and point an escaping glider back via Snark. Might be small enough to use for something.
Don't let me discourage anyone, but every one of the obvious immediate glider outputs that I tried -- R64, Fx77, F166 (i.e., changing to a dependent-conduit output glider), etc. -- need a color-changing Snark. And the second natural glider from L112 and L156 doesn't happen to line up, and I don't think there's an H-to-G that can make that adjustment. Using a H-to-G kind of defeats the purpose of making a new conduit, anyway.

It's much easier at p4/5/6/7/8 (and even then it gets big and slow pretty fast):

Code: Select all

x = 169, y = 59, rule = LifeHistory
119.A2$117.A.3A$29.A89.2A.A8.A$28.3A88.A.2A6.3A$27.3A.A88.3A.A3.A$28. A3.A8.A86.2A$29.A3.A5.3A80.A$30.A.3A3.A87.A$31.3A4.2A85.A.A$2A30.A93. 2A2.2A$2A.A32.A93.2A$4.A8.A21.A.A$.A9.3A22.2A2.2A$2.A.2A4.A29.2A$4.2A
4.2A2$8.A$7.A.A$8.2A2.2A$12.2A4$156.2A$156.2A5.2A$163.2A$127.2A$128.A$127.A33.2A$127.2A32.2A$3.2C4.2A101.2C4.2A47.2A$3.2C4.A.A100.2C4.A.A 46.2A$10.A108.A$42.A$4.A35.3A70.A$3.3A33.A72.3A15.2A$2.2A2.A20.D11.2A
70.2A2.A14.2A$25.3D$25.D.D$25.D3$67.D$65.3D72.2A$48.2A15.D.D73.A$48. 2A15.D72.3A18.3D$25.2A49.A61.A20.D$24.A.A48.A.A80.3D$24.A50.A.A$23.2A 10.2A39.A$36.A$33.3A9.2A$33.A11.A$46.A$45.2A$163.2A$162.A2.A$163.2A! Kazyan Posts: 925 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits I don't think this catalyst is quite compatible with the nearby eater...but I really wish it was. If nothing else, it should be kept in mind if a similar spark ever appears. Code: Select all x = 18, y = 11, rule = LifeBellman 13E$13E$10E2C$9E3.C$4E2C5.2C$4EC.2C$3E3.C.C$3E2C2.2C7.2A$3EC11.2A$4E
12.2A$5E12.A! Closeup of the catalyst doing its thing: Code: Select all x = 12, y = 10, rule = B3/S23 2b2obo$2bob2o2bo$6b3o$o2b2o$4ob2o$5bobo2b2o$2b2o2b2o2b2o$2bo6b2o$obo7b o$2o!
EDIT: It can also handle certain formations of preblock via a slightly different mechanism.

Code: Select all

x = 13, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2b2obo$2bob2o2bo$6b3o$o2b2o$4ob2o$5bobo2bo$2b2o2b2o2bo$2bo6b4o$obo7bo$2o! Tanner Jacobi A for awesome Posts: 1942 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits An H-to-wing converter: Code: Select all x = 56, y = 49, rule = LifeHistory 9.2C$8.C.C$8.C$3.C.2C.2C2.2B3.C$3.2C.C.7B.C.C$6.C3.6B.C$6.2C2.6B10.2C$4.2C4.6B10.C$5.C4.6B7.BC.C$5.C.CB.6B3.3B.B2C$6.2CB.14B$8.16B$9.14B$
8.16B$8.18B$6.22B$6.19BC2B$5.13B.4BCBC3B$5.12B2.4B3C2B$2.3D12B2.4BC5B
$.D2BD13B2.10B$BDBD14B9.4B$.BD16B9.4B$3.16B10.4B$5.4B.10B10.4B$6.15B
10.4B$6.15B11.4B$5.16B12.4B$4.17B13.4B$4.16B15.4B$5.11B20.4B$7.5B.3B
21.4B$9.B3.5B20.4B$8.3B4.B2C21.4B$7.B2CB5.C23.4B$8.2C7.3C21.4B$19.C 22.4B$43.4B$44.4B$45.4B$46.4B$47.4B$48.4B$49.4B$50.4B$51.4B$52.BDBD$
53.B2D$54.D!  Unfortunately, the wing may be too close to the compound catalyst to do anything with; I have tried to manually place catalysts to get the reaction away from there, with no success. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce dvgrn Moderator Posts: 6163 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits kiho park wrote:It convert a Herschel to Herschel and R-Pentomino... Edit : 1H to 2H Code: Select all x = 136, y = 75, rule = LifeHistory 55.2A$54.B2AB$54.3B$55.B$53.5B$53.B3D2B$53.2BD3B$53.2B3DB$53.6B$53.6B
$53.6B$53.5B$52.6B$53.6B$52.7B$52.6B$52.6B$52.6B$51.8B$52.8B$51.9B$
51.9B$51.10B$51.5B2A3B9.2A10.B$51.5B2A4B9.A8.5B$51.11B9.A.AB4.6B$51. 4BD7BA.A6.2AB.B2.6B$53.B3D4B2.2A.A7.13B$39.A13.D2B2D2B6.A8.12B$39.3A
11.5B8.2A5.14B$42.A10.5B9.2B3.16B$30.2A9.2A9.6B8.6B.15B4.3B$31.A5.3B. 5B.3B2.8B6.22B.7B$31.A.AB.4B3.20B2.22B.B2A5B$32.2AB.27B2.23BA2BA5B$
34.55B2A6B$34.62B$34.51B.6B.2B$34.46B.2B2.8B.B$17.2B13.47B7.6B.B2A$17.3B12.43B15.B3.A.A$17.4B10.2A13B2.9B.B3.B3.10B19.2A$18.4B9.2AB.12B 2.7B11.9B$19.4B9.B.13B.9B8.11B$7.2A3.2A6.4B11.11B3.7B9.2A3.2B3D2B$6.B
2AB.B2AB6.4B10.10B4.7B10.A3.2BD4B$7.2B2.3B3.B4.4B8.11B3.9B6.3A4.B3D4B .2B$8.3B.3B.4B3.4B6.11B5.7B7.A6.12B$2A5.7B.13B4.13B6.3B16.14B$.A5.23B
.16B4.5B14.15B23.2A$.A.AB.19B.8B.4B2A7B6.2A15.14B24.A$2.2AB.33B2A7B6.
A19.11B23.A$4.45B6.3A15.13B2.2B18.2A$4.33BD12B7.A14.19B8.2A8.B$4.33B 2D10B21.B.21B6.A.A7.3B$5.33B2D7B19.2A.2A22B7.AB6.6B$7.31BD10B18.A.A.B .21B5.2B3.B2.10B$5.32BD12B15.A.A.A.A23B.B2.19B3.2B2.6B$5.2A3.26B3.12B 14.2A3.2A.B.19B.12BD3B2A15BD3B$6.A3.20B4.B6.10B23.33B2D2B2A15BDBDB.2B
$3.3A6.15B7.2A7.7B24.21B2D11B2D18B3D3B2A$3.A8.11B12.A9.2B2.BA22.23B2D
10BD21BDB.B2A$11.13B10.A14.A.A19.A24BD10BD24B2.B$10.15B9.2A14.2A17.3A
2.7B.17B.4B5.13B.B$10.16B42.A5.7B3.7B.12B5.7B.B$10.17B41.2A4.7B4.5B4.
8B$10.16B48.5B6.4B5.6B$12.14B46.2AB.2B7.4B6.4B$11.4B.2B2A6B45.A.AB10. B2AB$10.4B2.2B2A6B45.A14.2A$9.4B2.11B44.2A$8.4B4.2B3D4B$7.4B5.3BD4B$
6.4B7.2B3D2B$6.3B8.7B! Not quite workable in its current form, is it? There are two failures, one with the first snake which just barely gets hit by a fading spark at T=257, and one where an output glider at T=264 gets caught in a way that shuts off the input circuit at T=387. Not sure if these are repairable or not, but it might be a good problem to turn Bellman loose on. I'd still like to see some non-Herschel-receiver way to drop an R-pentomino successfully into that troublesome conduit. Once you get a chain started (of the direct B-to-B version) it's an unusually prolific source of useful gliders, but as far as I know you have to do a rather weird tandem-glider conversion to start things off. Is there a better way that I've missed seeing, to make a clean connection directly from a Herschel? Speaking of Guam's still-underused discoveries -- here's another, probably silly, thought for a Bellman investigation. Is there any hope that Guam's 2G->H+G (G4 input) could be upgraded to a stable glider reflector, by catalyzing the output B-heptomino to produce one of the white input gliders? Code: Select all x = 82, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory 12.B2A47.B2A$10.2BA2BAB43.2BA2BAB$10.3B2A3B42.3B2A3B$8.12B38.12B$7. 14B36.14B$8.13B37.13B$8.14B36.14B$7.15B35.15B$7.14B36.14B$7.13B37.13B
$7.B3D4B.3B38.B3D4B.3B$7.2BD4B43.2BD4B$7.2B3D2B43.2B3D2B$7.6B44.6B$6. 7B43.7B$5.8B42.8B$4.8B42.8B$3.9B41.9B$3.3B.6B40.3B.6B$3.2B.7B40.2B.7B
$3.B2.6B41.B2.6B$6.6B44.6B$6.6B44.6B$5.8B42.8B$6.8B42.8B$5.9B41.9B$5. 9B41.9B$5.10B40.10B$5.5B2C3B40.5B2C3B$5.5B2C4B39.5B2C4B$5.11B39.11B$
5.4BD7BC.2C34.4BD7BC.2C$7.B3D4B2.2C.C36.B3D4B2.2C.C$.2A4.D2B2D2B9.CB
26.2A4.D2B2D2B$2.A4.6B9.BCBC26.A4.6B$2.A.AB.6B8.2B2C27.A.AB.6B$3.2AB. 7B6.4B29.2AB.7B$5.8B6.4B32.8B$6.7B5.4B34.7B$6.7B4.4B35.7B8.CB$2.B4.7B 2.4B32.B4.7B6.BCBC$.A2B.B.6B2.4B32.A2B.B.6B6.2B2C$A.A15B32.A.A11B4.4B$.AB.13B34.AB.3B2A5B3.4B$4.12B38.3B2A4B3.4B$4.11B39.8B3.4B$5.10B40.5B EB2.4B$3.14B36.3B2A2BEBE4B$3.15B35.3B2A2B2E6B$2.2A14B.2B31.2A14B.2B$2.2A6BE9B2A30.2A16B2A$3.7BEBE5B.B2A31.15B.B2A$5.5B2E6B2.B34.13B2.B$5.
14B36.14B$7.12B38.12B$7.2B2A9B37.2B2A9B$8.B2A5B.4B36.2B2A5B.4B$8.9B.
4B36.9B.4B$8.9B2.4B35.9B2.4B$6.2A.8B3.4B32.2A.8B3.4B$6.A2.6B6.4B31.A 2.6B6.4B$4.A.A3.5B7.4B28.A.A3.5B7.4B$4.2A3.6B8.4B27.2A3.6B8.4B$10.4B
10.4B32.4B10.4B$11.2B12.4B32.2B12.4B$12.2B12.4B32.2B12.4B$11.B2AB12. 4B30.B2AB12.4B$12.2A14.4B30.2A14.4B!
It can be done with an edge-shooting H-to-G and a Hersrch search, but I seem to recall the result is painfully large and slow. Probably even a direct Bellman B-to-G conversion is too Rube Goldbergian an idea.

Extrementhusiast
Posts: 1812
Joined: June 16th, 2009, 11:24 pm
Location: USA

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

dvgrn wrote:
Kazyan wrote:There's likely a compact way to hook that up to one of the more complicated B-to-H subcomponents, and point an escaping glider back via Snark. Might be small enough to use for something.
Don't let me discourage anyone, but every one of the obvious immediate glider outputs that I tried -- R64, Fx77, F166 (i.e., changing to a dependent-conduit output glider), etc. -- need a color-changing Snark. And the second natural glider from L112 and L156 doesn't happen to line up, and I don't think there's an H-to-G that can make that adjustment. Using a H-to-G kind of defeats the purpose of making a new conduit, anyway.
Well, you didn't try F171:

Code: Select all

x = 68, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$30bobo$24b2o4bo$22bo2bo2b2ob4o$22b2obobobobo2bo$25bobobobo$25bob
ob2o$26bo2$39b2o$30b2o7bo$30b2o5bobo$37b2o7$27b2o$28bo16bo$25b3o17b3o$25bo22bo$47b2o6$65bo$39b2o24bo$40bo24b3o$40bobo24bo$41b2o3$35bo$16b2o 17b3o$17bo20bo$16bo20b2o$16b2o$b2o4b2o$b2o4bobo$8bo2$2bo$b3o15b2o15bo$
2o2bo14b2o15bo$36b3o$38bo2$45b2o$46bo$43b3o$43bo!

Also, something else: what if the reset glider came from the conduit before this, instead of after?
I Like My Heisenburps! (and others)

dvgrn
Moderator
Posts: 6163
Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm
Contact:

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Extrementhusiast wrote:Well, you didn't try F171...
Oddly enough, I did try F171, but apparently had something lined up wrong. That seems like a reasonable-sized conduit, worth rolling into Hersrch.
Extrementhusiast wrote:Also, something else: what if the reset glider came from the conduit before this, instead of after?
I thought about that, but unless the preceding conduit is a 180-degree turn, it will take several Snarks to deliver the glider to the right place. Worth looking into a little, but it's going to increase the size quite a bit more.

Kazyan
Posts: 925
Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Code: Select all

x = 13, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
10bo$9bobo$6bo2bobo$6b4ob2o$4b2o$3bo2b4ob2o$3b2obo2bob2o$2obo2bobo$o2b
obobo$2b2ob2o5$4b2o$4b2o4bobo$10b2o$11bo2$10b2o$10b2o! Looks interesting. If it's no good for a stable G-to-H or similar, it's probably usable as a Pi-to-H subcomponent. The bait block can be a boat/beehive/whatever works to create a Pi, too. Tanner Jacobi Extrementhusiast Posts: 1812 Joined: June 16th, 2009, 11:24 pm Location: USA ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits dvgrn wrote: Extrementhusiast wrote:Also, something else: what if the reset glider came from the conduit before this, instead of after? I thought about that, but unless the preceding conduit is a 180-degree turn, it will take several Snarks to deliver the glider to the right place. Worth looking into a little, but it's going to increase the size quite a bit more. However, it would likely decrease the recovery time. I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) dvgrn Moderator Posts: 6163 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Kazyan wrote: Code: Select all x = 13, y = 21, rule = B3/S23 10bo$9bobo$6bo2bobo$6b4ob2o$4b2o$3bo2b4ob2o$3b2obo2bob2o$2obo2bobo$o2b obobo$2b2ob2o5$4b2o$4b2o4bobo$10b2o$11bo2$10b2o$10b2o!
Looks interesting. If it's no good for a stable G-to-H or similar, it's probably usable as a Pi-to-H subcomponent. The bait block can be a boat/beehive/whatever works to create a Pi, too.
Hmm. Starting catgl pattern:

Code: Select all

x = 39, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
35.A2.A2$33.A2.A2$31.A2.A2$29.A2.A2$27.A2.A2$10.C14.A2.A$9.C.C$6.C2.C .C11.A2.A$6.4C.2C$4.2C5.BD8.A2.A$3.C2.4CB2A$3.2C.A2.CD2A6.A2.A$2C.C2.
ABA$C2.C.CBA9.A2.A$2.2C.CA$5.D9.A2.A2$13.A2.A$4.D$4.CA8.A$4.CA4.A.A$
4.D5.2A$11.A2$10.2A$10.2A! It's certainly not a hopeless case. A simple 2-catalyst search turns up things like this: Code: Select all x = 139, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory 35.A2.A96.A2.A2$33.A2.A96.A2.A2$31.A2.A96.A2.A2$29.A2.A96.A2.A2$27.A 2.A96.A2.A2$10.C14.A2.A81.C14.A2.A$9.C.C97.C.C$6.C2.C.C11.A2.A79.C2.C
.C11.A2.A$6.4C.2C93.4C.2C$4.2C15.A2.A79.2C15.A2.A3.2C$3.C2.4C.2A90.C 2.4C.2A15.2A$3.2C.A2.C.2A6.A2.A80.2C.A2.C.2A6.A2.A$2C.C2.A.A91.2C.C2. A.A$C2.C.C.A9.A2.A79.C2.C.C.A9.A2.A$2.2C.CA95.2C.CA$15.A2.A96.A2.A2$13.A2.A96.A2.A$22.AC111.AC$4.CA8.A7.AC80.CA8.A20.AC$4.CA4.A.A91.CA4.A
.A$10.2A98.2A$11.A99.A2$10.2A98.2A$10.2A98.2A$19.2A.C$19.2A.3C$25.C$
$C2.C.C.A$2.2CDCA4$4.D19.A$4.CA17.A.A$4.CA4.A.A10.A.A$4.D5.2A12.A$11. A2$10.2A$10.2A! For me this new variant is actually a step or two down the hopefulness scale -- you've repaired the bait block but only at the cost of a beehive, which is less likely to reappear than the block was, and there's no output glider yet. But I do love to be proved wrong. Seems like what we really ought to do is to automate the transparent-object stage of the search better. Given a promising result, try dropping all likely common objects at all possible locations nearby, and try say a 1-catalyst search for each such object and see if the object ever happens to be restored. Ptbsearch can do this already, but is there a catgl-based way to do it that would be more efficient? It's the usual problem of defining searches that cover as much of the likely part of the search space as possible, with as little time wasted as possible re-searching the same space again and again (e.g., different eaters for the same glider.) Kazyan Posts: 925 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits dvgrn wrote:For me this new variant is actually a step or two down the hopefulness scale -- you've repaired the bait block but only at the cost of a beehive, which is less likely to reappear than the block was, and there's no output glider yet. But I do love to be proved wrong. Seems like what we really ought to do is to automate the transparent-object stage of the search better. Given a promising result, try dropping all likely common objects at all possible locations nearby, and try say a 1-catalyst search for each such object and see if the object ever happens to be restored. Ptbsearch can do this already, but is there a catgl-based way to do it that would be more efficient? It's the usual problem of defining searches that cover as much of the likely part of the search space as possible, with as little time wasted as possible re-searching the same space again and again (e.g., different eaters for the same glider.) A block almost works in the same location, and various other small objects make it work too, which is why I'm running Bellman for it. But I currently have 106m prunes for too many actives cells and only 3.5m for catalyst recovery, which I'm taking to mean "this can't be catalyzed; it just explodes no matter what you do". Oh well. Good idea for transparency searching. I've noticed quite a few transparent blocks in existing conduit collections...Block-> B -> Block + H is a thing that happens more often than I expected. I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to reuse most of catgl's code for a transparency.py script or somesuch. Code: Select all #C Secondary transparent block reaction and output Herschel, but primary block becomes an awkwardly-placed beehive instead of being restored. Whoops. x = 27, y = 25, rule = B3/S23 10bo$9bobo$6bo2bobo$6b4ob2o$4b2o$3bo2b4ob2o$3b2obo2bob2o$2obo2bobo$o2b obobo$2b2ob2o18b2o$25bo$23bobo$23b2o2$4b2o$4b2o4bobo$10b2o$11bo2$10b2o
$10b2o3$16b2o$16b2o!  EDIT: It's 20 minutes after waking up; do you know where your typos are? EDIT2: Not a Bellman find, but one of the more obscure catalysts. There's a blinker that needs glider-assisted cleanup, but there's a small-but-usable plume that results off in a good direction. Haven't seen a conduit with this interaction in use yet... Code: Select all x = 17, y = 16, rule = B3/S23 5b2o$5bobo$6b2o$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o7$14b3o$15bo$13b3o!
Tanner Jacobi

A for awesome
Posts: 1942
Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm
Location: 0x-1
Contact:

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

This has just got to be known:

Code: Select all

x = 38, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
24.3D$24.DBD$23.BDBDB$23.5B$23.6B$22.7B$11.C10.8B$11.3C8.9B$14.C7.9B$13.2C6.10B$13.5B2.13B$15.18B.2B$14.2C19B2C$14.2C17B.B2C$15.B.17B.B$17.16B$18.14B$19.8B2.4B$20.7B3.4B$17.11B3.4B$16.12B4.4B$16.12B5.2BDB$
16.11B7.2B2D$16.B3C4B.4B6.2D$16.2BC4B4.2C$16.2B3C2B4.C$16.6B6.3C$15. 7B8.C$14.4B.B$13.4B$12.4B$11.4B$10.4B$9.4B$8.4B$7.4B$6.4B$5.4B$4.4B$3.4B$2.4B$.D3B$D3B$3D!  x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce Extrementhusiast Posts: 1812 Joined: June 16th, 2009, 11:24 pm Location: USA ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits A for awesome wrote:This has just got to be known: Code: Select all RLE Yes, that's the H-to-pi converter used in the Fx176 conduit. I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) Kazyan Posts: 925 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits Do we already have an H->2G that does this or a different-catalyst duplicate of this? Code: Select all x = 27, y = 30, rule = B3/S23 10bo$8b3o$7bo$7b2o2$4b2o$4bobo$2o3b2o$2o23b2o$24bobo$24bo$23b2o$22bo$22b3o$25bo$24b2o2$21b2o$21bobo$23bo$23b2o5$14b3o$5b2o8bo$6bo6b3o$3b3o$
3bo!
Tanner Jacobi

dvgrn
Moderator
Posts: 6163
Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm
Contact:

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Kazyan wrote:Do we already have an H->2G that does this or a different-catalyst duplicate of this?
Holy tandem gliders, Kazyan! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

Yes, that's a variant of a known H->G6 in Calcyman's collection. Useful for making adjustable B=backward and Bx=backward flipped Herschel conduits, since G2, G5, and G6 can be caught by standard Herschel transceivers:

Code: Select all

2o$17b3o4b2o$18bo5b2o$16b3o! I guess with the first escaping glider and the actual H-to-G part, it could be handy for closing the signal loop on "bootstrapped" guns. Tanner Jacobi A for awesome Posts: 1942 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 Contact: ### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits On a different note, a loafer-to-pi converter: Code: Select all x = 27, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory 7.2C$6.B2CB$6.3B$6.2B$.B3.5B$2CB.2C2BCB2C$2CBC2BC2B2CB$.3BCBC5B$.4BC 6B$3.8BC5B.2B$3.6B3C9B$4.4BC12B$5.4BC10B$6.4B2C9B$8.13B$8.13B4.B$9. 14B.B2C$9.2B3D11B2C$10.BD12B.B$11.3D9B$13.8B$14.5B!

x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all

Aidan F. Pierce

Kazyan
Posts: 925
Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm

### Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

This one needs to wait until pretty late in the Herschel's evolution to work. I haven't figured anything out with it.

Code: Select all

x = 30, y = 17, rule = B3/S23