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chris_c
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by chris_c » January 25th, 2015, 9:58 am
Kazyan wrote:Another possible approach for the weekender. I haven't been able to fit parts together for a halfsynthesis (still lifes to spaceship), though.
I managed to make one of the preTLs:
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x = 50, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
13bo12b3o$14b2o12bo5b2o$13b2o11b3o5b2o7$4bobo30bobo$5b2o30b2o$5bo16b2o
14bo$22b2o2$20b4o$19bo4bo20b4o$19b2o2b2o20bo3bo$45bo$19b6o21bo2bo$2o7b
o9bo4bo9bo$b2o6b2o9b4o9b2o$o7bobo11bo10bobo4bo2bo$24bo14bo$23b2o14bo3b
o$39b4o3$30bo$11b2o16bobo$10bobo16bobo$12bo17bo7$20b3o$19bo2bo$22bo$
22bo$19bobo!
EDIT: So a possible plan could be to add the following sparks at generation 16:
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x = 44, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
13.D3.D2.2D4.D3.D$14.D.D10.D.D$8.A6.D6.2A4.D6.A$9.A12.2A10.A$7.3A24.
3A$20.4A$2.2A15.A4.A15.2A$2A.2A14.2A2.2A14.2A.2A$4A7.3A16.3A7.4A$.2A
10.A5.6A5.A10.2A$12.A6.A4.A6.A$20.4A$22.A12.2A$24.A9.4A$23.2A8.2A.2A$
34.2A$14.A$14.2A$13.A.A14.A$29.A.A$29.A.A$30.A$21.A$20.3A$19.2A.A$19.
3A$20.2A!
EDIT2: Sorry, there's nothing wrong with the more common TL predecessor either:
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x = 44, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
15.D12.D$15.D4.2D6.D$14.3D10.3D$8.A13.2A11.A$9.A12.2A10.A$7.3A24.3A$
20.4A$2.2A15.A4.A15.2A$2A.2A14.2A2.2A14.2A.2A$4A7.3A16.3A7.4A$.2A10.A
5.6A5.A10.2A$12.A6.A4.A6.A$20.4A$22.A12.2A$24.A9.4A$23.2A8.2A.2A$34.
2A$14.A$14.2A$13.A.A14.A$29.A.A$29.A.A$30.A$21.A$20.3A$19.2A.A$19.3A$
20.2A!

Extrementhusiast
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by Extrementhusiast » January 25th, 2015, 3:07 pm
This works:
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x = 38, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
3bobo8bo17bobo$4b2o9bo16b2o$4bo8b3o17bo2$11bo14bo$10bobo12bobo$9bo2bo
12bo2bo$6bobo3b2o10b2o3bobo$6b2o11b2o9b2o$19b2o2$5bo11b4o11bo$6bo2b2o
5bo4bo5b2o2bo$4b3obobo5b2o2b2o5bobob3o$10bo16bo$16b6o$16bo4bo$3o14b4o
14b3o$2bo16bo5bo9bo$bo19bo2bobo9bo$20b2o2b2o2$11b2o$12b2o$11bo$28bo$
27b3o$18bo7b2obo$17b3o6b3o$17bob2o6b2o$7b3o8b3o$9bo8b2o$8bo!
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Sphenocorona
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by Sphenocorona » January 25th, 2015, 3:23 pm
The preTL on the right can still be added with the pi+block method though if I'm not mistaken. That method is way less costly than the long^3 hook with tail method, as it can be done with 5 gliders even if an intermediate two blocks stage is needed.

chris_c
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by chris_c » January 25th, 2015, 3:25 pm
Extrementhusiast wrote:This works
Great! The pi + block still works on the right hand side. I'm sure it won't take long before you show us how to build the rest of it
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x = 48, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
4bo$5bo7bo$3b3o8b2o$13b2o13bo$26b2o8b2o$27b2o7b2o$30b3o$30bo$31bo2$16b
o$15bobo$4bo9bo2bo25bo$5b2o4bobo3b2o22b2o$4b2o5b2o11b2o16b2o$24b2o2$
22b4o$21bo4bo$21b2o2b2o2$21b6o$21bo4bo$9bo12b4o12bo$9b2o13bo5bo6b2o$8b
obo15bo2bobo5bobo$25b2o2b2o2$2o44b2o$b2o42b2o$o46bo3$11b2o$10bobo$12bo
6$7b2o$8b2o22b3o$7bo24bo2bo$22b3o7bo$21bo2bo7bo$24bo8bobo$24bo$21bobo!

Kazyan
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by Kazyan » January 25th, 2015, 3:31 pm
Awesome! This is the biggest and nastiest spaceship yet.
I wasn't checking the forum while trying to complete the synthesis and ended up with this mess:
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x = 136, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
124bo$123bo$123b3o$24bo86bo$25bo84bo$23b3o6bobo66bobo6b3o$18bo14b2o66b
2o14bo$19bo13bo68bo13bo$17b3o22bo73b3o$40bobo$30bo10b2o62bo$31b2o70b2o
$30b2o72b2o4$33bo68bo$34bo66bo$32b3o66b3o15$b5o52bobo14bobo52b5o$o4bo
52b2obo12bob2o52bo4bo$5bo55bo12bo55bo$o3bo56b2o10b2o56bo3bo$2bo65b2o
63bo$68b2o2$66b4o$6b2o57bo4bo57b2o$4b2ob2o56b2o2b2o56b2ob2o$4b4o120b4o
$5b2o58b6o58b2o$65bo4bo$66b4o$68bo54b2o$70bo51b4o$69b2o50b2ob2o$122b2o
3$76bo$75bobo$75bobo$76bo8$36b3o58b3o$38bo58bo$37bo60bo6$39bo$22b3o14b
2o$24bo13bobo$23bo9$101b3o$101bo$102bo13$67bo$66b3o$65b2obo$65b3o$66b
2o!
Um, yeah, still learning. At least the bonkers still life I used this time isn't quite as bonkers.
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simsim314
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by simsim314 » January 25th, 2015, 3:38 pm
Great! Congrats! We have more and more speeds now!
We didn't left with a lot of missing speeds (here is my list of the spaceships that seems to be attainable for missing speeds):
diagonal c/5
Spider  orthogonal c/5
diagonal c/6
orthogonal c/6

In the last few months, we had more novelty in spaceship synthesis than in the past 40 years.

chris_c
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by chris_c » January 25th, 2015, 3:50 pm
Kazyan wrote:
I wasn't checking the forum while trying to complete the synthesis and ended up with this mess:
Also great! Inspired by these two very similar methods I came up with this via gencols. Probably it can be improved further somehow.
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x = 59, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
24bo$25b2o$14bo9b2o13bo$15bo21b2o8b2o$13b3o22b2o7b2o$41b3o$41bo$42bo2$
25bobo$o2bo21b2obo$4bo10bo12bo25bo$o3bo11b2o10b2o22b2o$b4o10b2o18b2o
16b2o$35b2o2$33b4o$32bo4bo$32b2o2b2o2$32b6o$32bo4bo$20bo12b4o12bo$20b
2o13bo5bo6b2o$19bobo15bo2bobo5bobo$36b2o2b2o2$11b2o44b2o$12b2o42b2o$
11bo46bo3$22b2o$21bobo$23bo6$18b2o$19b2o22b3o$18bo24bo2bo$33b3o7bo$32b
o2bo7bo$35bo8bobo$35bo$32bobo!

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by Sphenocorona » January 25th, 2015, 3:56 pm
Here's a still life+oscillator (beacon) which might be able to be converted into 58p5h1v1:
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x = 18, y = 18, rule = b3/s23
15b2o$10b2o3bo$11bo5bo$11bob5o$12bo$14b2o$15bo$9b2o4bobo$9b2o5b2o$7b2o
$bo5b2o$b3o$4bo$3bo$3bobo$2obob3o$o2bo4bo$2b2o3b2o!
The beacon can be converted with two dot sparks, and the eaters are also removable without destroying the still life.
An alternate version which may be simpler to convert but harder to construct:
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x = 19, y = 19, rule = b3/s23
10b2o$10bo5b2o$12bo3bo$11b2o5bo$9bo2bob5o$9b2o2bo$15b2o$16bo$10b2o4bob
o$4b2o4b2o5b2o$2o3bo2b2o$o2bo4b2o$2b3o$5bo$4bo$4bobo$b2obob3o$bo2bo4bo
$3b2o3b2o!

Kazyan
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by Kazyan » January 25th, 2015, 4:13 pm
chris_c wrote:
Also great! Inspired by these two very similar methods I came up with this via gencols. Probably it can be improved further somehow.
The leftmost LWSS can be replaced with a glider.
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x = 50, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
15bo$16b2o$5bo9b2o13bo$6bo21b2o8b2o$4b3o22b2o7b2o$32b3o$32bo$33bo2$16b
obo$16b2obo$6bo12bo25bo$7b2o10b2o22b2o$6b2o18b2o16b2o$26b2o2$24b4o$23b
o4bo$3o20b2o2b2o$2bo$bo21b6o$23bo4bo$11bo12b4o12bo$11b2o13bo5bo6b2o$
10bobo15bo2bobo5bobo$27b2o2b2o2$2b2o44b2o$3b2o42b2o$2bo46bo3$13b2o$12b
obo$14bo6$9b2o$10b2o22b3o$9bo24bo2bo$24b3o7bo$23bo2bo7bo$26bo8bobo$26b
o$23bobo!
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chris_c
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by chris_c » January 25th, 2015, 4:25 pm
Kazyan wrote:
The leftmost LWSS can be replaced with a glider.
Cool. I missed that one because the two gliders + hook with tail only give two blocks on their own.

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by Extrementhusiast » January 25th, 2015, 5:08 pm
And here's the rest:
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x = 480, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
154bobo$155b2o9bo$155bo11bo$165b3o275bo$442bo$160bo281b3o$161bo32bobo
231bobo$159b3o32b2o233b2o$195bo233bo2$442bo$439bo2bobo$437bobo2b2o$
376bo61b2o$375bo$23bobo349b3o29bo$24b2o178bobo31bo92bo41bo27bo5bobo$
24bo179b2o22b2o2bo3b2o22bo68bobo42bo24bobo5b2o$69bo24bo110bo23b2obobo
2b2o21bobo67b2o40b3o25b2o$70b2o20bobo133bo3b2o26b2o144bo$69b2o3bo18b2o
237bo71bobo42bo$66bo7bobo62bo118bo4bo4bo24bo3bo21bo12bobo8bo30bobo28b
2o41bo$25bo6bo31bobo7b2o19bo17bo19bobob2o120b2obobob2o23bobo3bobo20b2o
10b2o7b2o31b2o60b2o10b3o$23bobo6bobo30b2o22bobob2o19b2o18b2o2b2o118b2o
2bobo2b2o19b2o2b2o3b2o2b2o16b2o21b2o31bo58bo2bo37b2o$24b2o6b2o56b2o2b
2o17b2o19bo119b2o7bo7b2o16b2o9b2o132b3o38b2o$90bo19b2o143b2o13b2o16bo
13bo25bo5bo$109bobo7bo15b2o37b2o78bo17bo20bo3bo23b2o4bobo3bobo4b2o26b
2o7b2o18bo4b2o3bo3b2o4bo16b3o38b4o$57bobo33b2o16bo6bobo13bo2bo36bo3bo
51b2ob2o26b2ob2o26bobobobo16b2o5b2o4bobobobo4b2o5b2o20bobobobobobo19b
2o2bobobobobobo2b2o16bo3bo36bo4bo$5bo31bo20b2o33b2o24b2o13b4o37b4o51b
2ob2o26b2ob2o27b2ob2o18b2o3bo7b2ob2o7bo3b2o24b2ob2o21b2o6b2ob2o6b2o15b
2ob2o36b2o2b2o$6bo29bo21bo9bo246bo31bo$4b3o18bo3b2o5b3o27b5o20b6o20b6o
11b6o35b6o49b5o26b5o27b5o31b5o37b5o29b5o23b5o36b6o$3o21bobobo2bo8b3o
13bo8bo5bo19bo5bo19bo5bo10bo5bo34bo5bo48bo4bo25bo4bo26bo4bo30bo4bo36bo
4bo28bo4bo22bo4bo14b2o19bo4bo$2bo22bo3b2o9bo13bobo9b5o21b5o21b5o12b5o
36b5o50b4o27b4o28b4o32b4o38b4o30b4o24b4o14b2o21b4o$bo3b2o34bo13b2o11bo
25bo25bo16bo40bo54bo30bo31bo35bo41bo33bo27bo17bo22bo$4bobo228bo30bo31b
o35bo41bo33bo27bo40bo$6bo50bo176b2o29b2o30b2o34b2o40b2o32b2o26b2o39b2o
$57b2o$56bobo390b2o$24b2o6b2o414b2o$23bobo6bobo415bo$25bo6bo$178bobo$
178b2o274b3o$179bo274bo$455bo$24bo153b3o19b2o$24b2o152bo21bobo$23bobo
153bo20bo4$196b3o9b2o$196bo10b2o$197bo11bo!
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Kazyan
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by Kazyan » January 25th, 2015, 5:51 pm
So that's...88 gliders, plus however many is the most efficient method for finagling the hookwithtail there. Which is at most 6, getting there via 2glider eater > Cisboat with tail > hook with claw. So, 94 glider synthesis.
In other news, I think B29 is a relatively easy target.
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x = 46, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
3bo$2b2o$2bobo$38b2o$5b2o32bo$5b2o31bo$22bob2o12b2o$bob2o14b4o18bob2o$
4o15bo3b3o12b4ob2o$o3b2o15bo16bo4bo$5bo2bo$23bo$4b2o3bo13b2o$4b2o3bo
14bo16b3o$5bo18bobo16bo$5bo19bo17bobo$6b2o19bo16b2o!
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Sokwe
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by Sokwe » January 25th, 2015, 6:08 pm
Congratulations on the weekender synthesis! It's been just over 15 years since the weekender was discovered, and due to its simplicity, there has always been vague hope that it could be synthesized.
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Scorbie
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by Scorbie » January 25th, 2015, 6:26 pm
Wow! Congrats on the Weekender synthesis! After trivial attempts to plact that TL myself, I thought that it was a pretty hard job.
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Kazyan
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by Kazyan » January 25th, 2015, 6:57 pm
I've updated the wiki with the glider synthesis counts of the recent ships. I don't know how many gliders it takes to get the starting debris of 25P3H1V0.2, though, entirely because of that obscure 15bitter.
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chris_c
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by chris_c » January 25th, 2015, 7:44 pm
Kazyan wrote:I've updated the wiki with the glider synthesis counts of the recent ships. I don't know how many gliders it takes to get the starting debris of 25P3H1V0.2, though, entirely because of that obscure 15bitter.
OK, here is the incremental and continuous synthesis for 30P5H2V0. It's 66 gliders unless I have missed any reductions.
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x = 516, y = 468, rule = B3/S23
466bo$466bobo14bobo$3bo458bo3b2o16b2o$3bobo457b2o19bo$3b2o457b2o42bobo
$459bo46b2o$2bo454bobo47bo$obo455b2o41bo$b2o478bo18bobo$31b2ob2o25b2ob
2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b
2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o19bo3bobo9b2ob2o4b2o4bo$31bo3bo
25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo
25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo20b2o2b2o9bo3bo8b2o9bo$32b3o27b3o23bo3b3o
27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o20b2o15b3o
10b2o6b2o$71bo14bobo425b2o$40bo30bobo13b2o282bo$32b3o5bobo19b3o6b2o19b
3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o27b
3o37b3o12bo$31bo3bo4b2o19bo3bo3bo16b2o3bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo
3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo3bo21bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo
35bo3bo11bobo$31b2ob2o24bobobobobobo14bobo2bobobobo24b2obobo24b2obobo
24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obo26b2obo26b2ob2o6bo18b2ob2o3bobo19b2ob2o2b2o
21b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o35b2ob2o11b2o$4b2o21bo32bobob2o3b2o16bo2bobob
2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bobobo25bobobo25bobo5bo21bobo4b2o21bob
o3b2o22bobo27bobo10bobo14bobo37bobo$4bobo21b2o7bobo21bo29bo29bo29bo27b
3o27b3o9b2o9bo6b3o3b2o22b3o3b2o22b3o2bo4b2o4b2o12b3o2bo7b2o15b3o2bo24b
3o2bo24b3o2bo10b2o12b3o2bo34b3o2bo$4bo22b2o8b2o81bo29bo28bo28bo11b2o
11bo4bo29bo29bo5b2o3bobo3bobo10bo5bobo5bobo13bo5bobo3bo17bo5bobob2o18b
o5bobob2o6bo11bo5bobob2o28bo5bobob2o$38bo50bo29bo30b2o35bo20b2o6b3o3bo
8b3o4b2o27bobo27bobo15bo11bobo5b2o5bo14bobo5b2o2b2o16bobo5b2obobo16bob
o5b2obo5bo12bobo5b2obo5bo22bobo5b2obo$2b2o27b3o22b2o30bobo28b2o20b2o
43bo31bo49bo29bo29bo29bo10bobo16bo10bo18bo9bo4b2o4b2o7bo9bo5bobo21bo9b
o4b2o$bobo20b3o4bo5b2o18b2o30bobo48bobo2b2o36b2ob3o28bo60bobo147b2o3bo
bo3bobo16bobo3b2o32bobo2b2o$3bo22bo5bo3b2o18bo3b3o27bo33bo17bob2o36bob
o50bo42b2o159bo19b2o6b2o9b2o19b2o$25bo12bo21bo26bo27b2o6b2o12b2o7bo37b
o50b2o36b3o3bo119b3o65bobo7bobo$61bo25b2o25bobo6bobo10bobo95bobo38bo
125bo2bo62bo11bo$55b3o28bobo27bo21bo19bo27b3o85bo4b2o119bo2bo$57bo62b
3o34b2o27bo50b3o38bobo122b3o80b2o$56bo65bo34bobo27bo49bo42bo200b2o4b2o
$121bo116bo241bobo3bo$482bo3$503b2o$497b2o3b2o7bo$498b2o4bo5b2o$497bo
12bobo5$513bo$512b2o$512bobo42$76bobo$77b2o$77bo$439bobo$439b2o$440bo
2$74bo$68bo3bobo364bo$69b2o2b2o355bo6b2o9bo$68b2o358b2o8b2o6b2o$106bo
322b2o16b2o$107bo$105b3o332bo$101bo338bobo$102b2o336b2o$101b2o13$428bo
$426b2o$427b2o5$418bo$418bobo$418b2o14$395bo$393b2o$394b2o$406bobo$
406b2o$407bo7$383bo$381b2o$382b2o7$374bo$374bobo$374b2o16$361bo$361bob
o$361b2o5$154bobo$155b2o$155bo25$324bobo$324b2o$325bo23$220bo$221b2o$
220b2o9$285bo$283b2o$284b2o8$256bo$256bobo15bo$256b2o14b2o$273b2o$255b
o$241bo11bobo$242bo11b2o14bo$240b3o27bobo$270b2o7$257b2o$257bobo$257bo
2$255b2o$254bobo$256bo7$265bo$238bo25b2o$238b2o24bobo2b3o$237bobo29bo$
270bo7$229b3o$231bo42bo$230bo42b2o$273bobo$219b2o8bo$220b2o7b2o$219bo
8bobo7$220b2o$219bobo$221bo7$296b2o$208b2o86bobo$209b2o85bo$208bo5bo$
214b2o$213bobo3$194b2o$195b2o100b3o$194bo102bo$190b2o106bo$191b2o$190b
o119b2o$310bobo$310bo9$191b2o$192b2o$191bo$325bo$324b2o$324bobo8$345b
3o$178bo166bo$178b2o166bo$177bobo10$158b2o$157bobo$159bo$341bo$340b2o$
340bobo5$157bo$157b2o$156bobo$162b2o$163b2o207b2o$162bo209bobo3b2o$
372bo4b2o$379bo8$385b2o$384b2o$386bo9$392b2o$392bobo$392bo12$123bo$
123b2o$122bobo5$416b2o$416bobo3b2o$416bo4b2o$423bo10$430b2o$429b2o$
431bo8$71b2o$70bobo$72bo2$79b2o$74b2o4b2o$73bobo3bo$75bo3$436b2o$90b2o
343b2o7bo$91b2o344bo5b2o$90bo352bobo5$446bo$445b2o$445bobo!
EDIT: A reduction down to 65 gliders as pointed out by Extrementhusiast below:
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x = 516, y = 468, rule = B3/S23
466bo$466bobo14bobo$3bo458bo3b2o16b2o$3bobo457b2o19bo$3b2o457b2o42bobo
$459bo46b2o$2bo454bobo47bo$obo455b2o41bo$b2o478bo18bobo$31b2ob2o25b2ob
2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b
2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o19bo3bobo9b2ob2o4b2o4bo$31bo3bo
25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo
25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo20b2o2b2o9bo3bo8b2o9bo$32b3o27b3o23bo3b3o
27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o20b2o15b3o
10b2o6b2o$71bo14bobo425b2o$40bo30bobo13b2o282bo$32b3o5bobo19b3o6b2o19b
3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o6bobo18b3o27b3o27b
3o37b3o12bo$31bo3bo4b2o19bo3bo3bo16b2o3bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo
3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo3bo21bo3bo5b2o18bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo
35bo3bo11bobo$31b2ob2o24bobobobobobo14bobo2bobobobo24b2obobo24b2obobo
24b2obobo24b2obobo24b2obo26b2obo26b2ob2o6bo18b2ob2o3bobo19b2ob2o2b2o
21b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o35b2ob2o11b2o$4b2o21bo32bobob2o3b2o16bo2bobob
2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bob2o26bobobo25bobobo25bobo5bo21bobo4b2o21bob
o3b2o22bobo27bobo8bobo16bobo37bobo$4bobo21b2o7bobo21bo29bo29bo29bo27b
3o27b3o9b2o9bo6b3o3b2o22b3o3b2o22b3o2bo4b2o4b2o12b3o2bo7b2o15b3o2bo24b
3o2bo24b3o2bo8b2o14b3o2bo34b3o2bo$4bo22b2o8b2o81bo29bo28bo28bo11b2o11b
o4bo29bo29bo5b2o3bobo3bobo10bo5bobo5bobo13bo5bobo3bo17bo5bobob2o18bo5b
obob2o4bo13bo5bobob2o28bo5bobob2o$38bo50bo29bo30b2o35bo20b2o6b3o3bo8b
3o4b2o27bobo27bobo15bo11bobo5b2o5bo14bobo5b2o2b2o16bobo5b2obobo16bobo
5b2obobo16bobo5b2obo5bo22bobo5b2obo$2b2o27b3o22b2o30bobo28b2o20b2o43bo
31bo49bo29bo29bo29bo10bobo16bo10bo18bo9bobo2b2o13bo9bo5bobo21bo9bo4b2o
$bobo20b3o4bo5b2o18b2o30bobo48bobo2b2o36b2ob3o28bo60bobo147b2o2b2o24bo
bo3b2o32bobo2b2o$3bo22bo5bo3b2o18bo3b3o27bo33bo17bob2o36bobo50bo42b2o
154bo24b2o6b2o9b2o19b2o$25bo12bo21bo26bo27b2o6b2o12b2o7bo37bo50b2o36b
3o3bo123bo63bobo7bobo$61bo25b2o25bobo6bobo10bobo95bobo38bo126b2o63bo
11bo$55b3o28bobo27bo21bo19bo27b3o85bo4b2o121bobo$57bo62b3o34b2o27bo50b
3o38bobo205b2o$56bo65bo34bobo27bo49bo42bo118b3o79b2o4b2o$121bo116bo
162bo78bobo3bo$400bo81bo3$503b2o$497b2o3b2o7bo$498b2o4bo5b2o$497bo12bo
bo5$513bo$512b2o$512bobo42$76bobo$77b2o$77bo$439bobo$439b2o$440bo2$74b
o$68bo3bobo364bo$69b2o2b2o355bo6b2o9bo$68b2o358b2o8b2o6b2o$106bo322b2o
16b2o$107bo$105b3o332bo$101bo338bobo$102b2o336b2o$101b2o13$428bo$426b
2o$427b2o9$413bo$411b2o$412b2o10$395bo$393b2o$394b2o10$383bo$381b2o$
382b2o7$374bo$374bobo$374b2o16$361bo$361bobo$361b2o5$154bobo$155b2o$
155bo25$324bobo$324b2o$325bo23$220bo$221b2o$220b2o9$285bo$283b2o$284b
2o8$256bo$256bobo15bo$256b2o14b2o$273b2o$255bo$241bo11bobo$242bo11b2o
14bo$240b3o27bobo$270b2o7$257b2o$257bobo$257bo2$255b2o$254bobo$256bo7$
265bo$238bo25b2o$238b2o24bobo2b3o$237bobo29bo$270bo7$229b3o$231bo42bo$
230bo42b2o$273bobo$219b2o8bo$220b2o7b2o$219bo8bobo7$220b2o$219bobo$
221bo7$296b2o$208b2o86bobo$209b2o85bo$208bo5bo$214b2o$213bobo3$194b2o$
195b2o100b3o$194bo102bo$190b2o106bo$191b2o$190bo119b2o$310bobo$310bo9$
191b2o$192b2o$191bo$325bo$324b2o$324bobo8$345b3o$178bo166bo$178b2o166b
o$177bobo10$158b2o$157bobo$159bo$341bo$340b2o$340bobo5$157bo$157b2o$
156bobo$162b2o$163b2o207b2o$162bo209bobo3b2o$372bo4b2o$379bo8$385b2o$
384b2o$386bo9$392b2o$392bobo$392bo10$402b2o$401b2o$403bo$126b2o$125bob
o$127bo284bo$411b2o$411bobo15$430b2o$429b2o$431bo8$71b2o$70bobo$72bo2$
79b2o$74b2o4b2o$73bobo3bo$75bo3$436b2o$90b2o343b2o7bo$91b2o344bo5b2o$
90bo352bobo5$446bo$445b2o$445bobo!
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chris_c on January 25th, 2015, 9:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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by Extrementhusiast » January 25th, 2015, 9:24 pm
Kazyan wrote:I've updated the wiki with the glider synthesis counts of the recent ships. I don't know how many gliders it takes to get the starting debris of 25P3H1V0.2, though, entirely because of that obscure 15bitter.
24 gliders, from Buckingham:
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x = 163, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
8$44bo$43bo$43b3o36bobo$78bo3b2o$40bo38b2o2bo$38bobo37b2o$39b2o$76bo$
74bobo34bo$39bo22b2o11b2o5b2o15bo2b2o8bo6bo2b2o15bo2b2o$39b2o6b2o11bo
2bo16bo2bo14bobo2bo6b3o5bobo2bo14bobo2bo$38bobo6bobo10b2o18b2o12b2o2bo
b2o12b2o2bob2o16bob2o$47bo46b2o3bo14b2o3bo19bo$60b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o18b
2o$61bo10b3o6bo19bo19bo19bo$40b2o19bobo10bo6bobo17bobo17bobo17bobo$41b
2o19b2o9bo8b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o$40bo3b2o$44bobo$44bo16$115bo$116bo$114b
3o2$20bo$19bo10bo87bo3bo5bo$19b3o8bobo83bobob2o4b2o$17bo12b2o85b2o2b2o
4b2o$15bobo$16b2o3$67bo$9b2o29b2o18b2o5bobo10b2o28b2o28b2o$10b2o7bo2b
2o15bo2bo16bo2bo4b2o10bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo$9bo8bobo2bo14bobobo15bobobo
15bobobo25bobobo25bobo2bo$18bob2o16bob2o16bob2o5bo10bob2o4b2o20bob2o4b
2o20bob2obo$19bo19bo19bo6b2o11bo5bo2bo20bo5bo2bo20bo2bo$20b2o18b2o18b
2o4bobo11b2o3bo2bo21b2o3bo2bo21b2o$21bo19bo19bo19bo4b2o23bo4b2o$21bobo
17bobo17bobo17bobo27bobo15bo$22b2o18b2o18b2o18b2o28b2o14b2o$128bobo8$
95b3o16b2o$97bo15b2o$96bo18bo!
chris_c wrote:
OK, here is the incremental and continuous synthesis for 30P5H2V0. It's 66 gliders unless I have missed any reductions.
Just this small one:
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x = 74, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
4b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o$4bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo$5b3o27b3o27b3o3$5b3o27b3o
27b3o$4bo3bo25bo3bo25bo3bo$4b2ob2o25b2ob2o25b2ob2o$5bobo27bobo8bobo16b
obo$2b3o2bo24b3o2bo8b2o14b3o2bo$bo5bobob2o18bo5bobob2o4bo13bo5bobob2o$
obo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obobo16bobo5b2obo$bo10bo18bo9bobo2b2o13bo9bo$41b2o
2b2o24bobo$47bo24b2o$16bo$15b2o$15bobo2$12b3o$14bo$13bo!
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by chris_c » January 25th, 2015, 9:58 pm
Extrementhusiast wrote:
24 gliders, from Buckingham
I wonder if this particular still life could benefit from some apgsearch assistance? It is listed in the common names dictionary of apgsearch20141216v0.52.py
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"xs15_ci5diczw11": ("000c0012002d00290012000c", 20)
Extrementhusiast wrote:
Just this small one
Thanks I edited my previous post.

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by simsim314 » January 26th, 2015, 10:51 am
This one looks a better predecessor for the tail (see generation 4):
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x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
2C.2C2.2C.2C$2C.C4.C.2C$4.4C$2.3A2.3A$3.2A2.2A$2.A.A2.A.A!
Or this:
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x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
2C.2C2.2C.2C$2C.C4.C.2C$4.4C$2.3A2.3A$3.A4.A$3.2A2.2A!

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by Kazyan » January 26th, 2015, 1:46 pm
simsim314 wrote:This one looks a better predecessor for the tail (see generation 4):
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x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
2C.2C2.2C.2C$2C.C4.C.2C$4.4C$2.3A2.3A$3.2A2.2A$2.A.A2.A.A!
Or this:
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x = 12, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
2C.2C2.2C.2C$2C.C4.C.2C$4.4C$2.3A2.3A$3.A4.A$3.2A2.2A!
Both interfere with the addition of the elbows in the same way. It's why I had to scrap a similar method.
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x = 32, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
21b3o$21b3o$20bo3bo$18b2ob2obo$18b3o3bo$18b3o3b2o$18bo2bo2bo$17bo5bo$
20b3o$17b4o$23b4o$26bo$22bobo$21b6o$20bob2ob2o$18b3o3b2o$14bo3b3ob2obo
$5b2obo6bo4b3o2bo$b7obo3b3o4bo$bob4o2bo11b3o$b3o5b2o11bo$16b2o$16b2o$
8bo14bo$4bob2obo4b4o4bob2obo$2bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$5bobobo3b2o2b2o
3bobobo$o3bo3bo14bo3bo3bo$2bo26bo$bo8b2ob2o2b2ob2o8bo$10b2obo4bob2o$
14b4o$12b3o2b3o$13b2o2b2o$12bobo2bobo!
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by dvgrn » January 26th, 2015, 7:00 pm
chris_c wrote:I wonder if this particular still life could benefit from some apgsearch assistance? It is listed in the common names dictionary of apgsearch20141216v0.52.py
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"xs15_ci5diczw11": ("000c0012002d00290012000c", 20)
Anyone have a soup for this, or is one retrievable from Andrzej Okrasinski's soupsearch results? Looks like that's where the name came from.
It doesn't happen to be one of the umpteen billion still lifes that have showed up in my apgsearch results so far.

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by Sphenocorona » January 27th, 2015, 12:50 am
Based on posts in the "Accidental discoveries" topic, here is a 2 glider reduction of the Weekender synthesis (the actual important bit was not found by me, I am just reporting it here) :
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x = 85, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
68bobo$68b2o$69bo$42bo$3bo39bo$4bo7bobo26b3o$2b3o7b2o54bobo$13bo12bo
19bo21b2o$25bobo17bobo15bobo3bo$25b2o18b2o17b2o$3bo7bo52bo$4b2o3b2o$3b
2o5b2o$13b2o67b2o$13bobo8bo2bo16bo2bo15bo2bo14bo2bo$13bo10b4o16b4o15b
4o14b4o$3bo$b5o16b6o14b6o13b6o12b6o$o5bo14bo5bo13bo5bo12bo5bo11bo5bo$b
5o16b5o15b5o14b5o13b5o$3bo20bo19bo18bo17bo!

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by simsim314 » January 27th, 2015, 5:30 am
Kazyan wrote:Both interfere with the addition of the elbows in the same way.
Woops...I guess one can continue to improve that issue as well, but I prefer to invest in something without synth yet.
Here is a SL which is pretty close to the 58P5H1V1 (we need better name for this one):
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x = 60, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
29.2A2.2A$29.A2.A.A14.2A2.2C$8.2A20.A.A2.2A12.A2.ADC$8.2A19.2A2.A.A
14.A.C2.CA$7.A2.A19.A.2A.A13.2A.DA.C$4.2A.A2.A19.A.A2.2A13.A.2A.C$10.
A16.2A.A3.A12.2D.A.C2.CA$2.2A3.A2.A16.2A.5A12.2C.A3.C$2.2A5.A37.AC.5C
$3.A.5A17.2A.2A.2A14.D$4.A22.2A.2A.2A12.2A.2A.2A$47.2A.2A.2A!
EDIT Here is something more substantial (see gen 2):
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x = 9, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
5.2C$.A3.2C$.A$2A3.2C$2A.A.2C.A$A$.2C2.3A$C.C2.A$.C3.A!

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by chris_c » January 27th, 2015, 4:16 pm
Throwing another glider into the mix I found this which reduces the original Weekender synthesis by 6 gliders.
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x = 28, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o12bo$16bo$14b3o3$20bo$18b2o$13bo5b2o$14b2o$13b2o3$17bo5bo$15b
obo5bobo$16b2o5b2o$13bo$13b2o$12bobo$24bo$22b5o$21bo5bo$22b5o$24bo!
I suspect it is still not optimal.