### Re: Soup search results

Posted:

**April 21st, 2015, 5:10 am**they look like codeholic's pi splitter.Sokwe wrote:Unimportant syntheses of two large still lifes:

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Posted: **April 21st, 2015, 5:10 am**

they look like codeholic's pi splitter.Sokwe wrote:Unimportant syntheses of two large still lifes:

Posted: **April 21st, 2015, 10:48 am**

The Twitterbot reported a pretty cool period 2 oscillator:

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```
x = 18, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$16b2o5$14b3o$14bo$14b3o$2bo$2bo7bo$2bo7bo$9bobo3b2o$10bo3bo2bo$b
o8bo3bo2bo$obo12b2o$o2bo$b2o!
```

Posted: **April 21st, 2015, 11:14 am**

Here is a 13 glider synthesis (although I wouldn't be surprised if something better was already in Bob Shemyakin's results):codeholic wrote:The Twitterbot reported a pretty cool period 2 oscillator:Code: Select all

`x = 18, y = 18, rule = B3/S23 16b2o$16b2o5$14b3o$14bo$14b3o$2bo$2bo7bo$2bo7bo$9bobo3b2o$10bo3bo2bo$b o8bo3bo2bo$obo12b2o$o2bo$b2o!`

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```
x = 40, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
37bobo$37b2o$38bo3$39bo$37b2o$38b2o5$14bo$15bo$13b3o$35bo$33b2o$34b2o
3$22bo15b2o$9bo13b2o12b2o$7bobo12b2o5bo9bo$8b2o20bo$13b2o13b3o$12bobo$
14bo3$26b3o$26bo$bo25bo5bo$b2o29b2o$obo29bobo$22b3o$22bo$23bo!
```

Posted: **April 21st, 2015, 11:41 am**

Mark Niemiec's database has this as 28 gliders, >1 glider per bit, so this is a significant improvement. Three names listed are "14-bit P2 #1", "flip-flop", and "muttering moat" (there's a typo there -- "muttering" is intended). The last two are generic names that apply to many p2 oscillators.chris_c wrote:Here is a 13 glider synthesis (although I wouldn't be surprised if something better was already in Bob Shemyakin's results)...

xp2_3lgh1lo is in Dean Hickerson's oscillator collection as 2.1.0 (unnamed). Now I'm waiting for the first unnamed object to show up with an apgcode that happens to spell something appropriate... well, something inappropriate would probably be just as amusing.

Posted: **April 22nd, 2015, 5:32 am**

the best I could find was xp2_31ago which is pretty boring.dvgrn wrote:. Now I'm waiting for the first unnamed object to show up with an apgcode that happens to spell something appropriate... well, something inappropriate would probably be just as amusing.

Posted: **April 22nd, 2015, 10:49 am**

17-cell predecessor to a 40-cell still life:

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```
x = 8, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o2bob2o$4bobo$o2bobo$b3o$6b2o!
```

Posted: **April 22nd, 2015, 1:34 pm**

New P15 in a symmetrical soup:

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```
x = 32, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
o3b3o2bo3bob2obo3bo2b3o3bo$bob2o2b2obo10bob2o2b2obo$b2o2b2ob3obo2b2o2b
ob3ob2o2b2o$2obobo5b2o6b2o5bobob2o$2b3ob2o2b4ob2ob4o2b2ob3o$2bo3b3o2b
2obo2bob2o2b3o3bo$o2b2o3bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo3b2o2bo$4obob5ob6ob5obob4o$2b2o
2b7ob4ob7o2b2o$2obo2bob2o4bo2bo4b2obo2bob2o$3bobo3b3o2b4o2b3o3bobo$9ob
obob4obobob9o$3o4bob2o10b2obo4b3o$o2bo4bo3bo2b2o2bo3bo4bo2bo$o2bob7o2b
4o2b7obo2bo$bo2b2o2bo5bo2bo5bo2b2o2bo$o2bob7o2b4o2b7obo2bo$o2bo4bo3bo
2b2o2bo3bo4bo2bo$3o4bob2o10b2obo4b3o$9obobob4obobob9o$3bobo3b3o2b4o2b
3o3bobo$2obo2bob2o4bo2bo4b2obo2bob2o$2b2o2b7ob4ob7o2b2o$4obob5ob6ob5ob
ob4o$o2b2o3bo2bo2b4o2bo2bo3b2o2bo$2bo3b3o2b2obo2bob2o2b3o3bo$2b3ob2o2b
4ob2ob4o2b2ob3o$2obobo5b2o6b2o5bobob2o$b2o2b2ob3obo2b2o2bob3ob2o2b2o$b
ob2o2b2obo10bob2o2b2obo$o3b3o2bo3bob2obo3bo2b3o3bo!
[[ THEME 7 GPS 25 ]]
```

Posted: **April 23rd, 2015, 3:07 am**

We've almost reached 1 trillion objects!

Posted: **April 23rd, 2015, 11:02 am**

Looks like one of my recent symmetric apgsearch runs turned up a p9 in D4_+2 a few days ago, the old 'worker bee' oscillator, just before the Twitterbot started paying attention to symmetric soup results. Looks like that was the first time Catagolue has collected anything period 9, isn't it?

Seems like a somewhat promising soup, but maybe not too likely to improve on the current-best synthesis (19 gliders).

So what's the next likely new period for Catagolue? Any bets on whether it will be an unknown oscillator next time?

Seems like a somewhat promising soup, but maybe not too likely to improve on the current-best synthesis (19 gliders).

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```
x = 32, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
4ob2ob2o2bo6bo2b2ob2ob4o$o2bo2b2ob2obob4obob2ob2o2bo2bo$2b3o3bob2o2bo
2bo2b2obo3b3o$4b3o3b3o6b3o3b3o$o7b3ob3o2b3ob3o7bo$6b2o2bobobo2bobobo2b
2o$3b2obob7o2b7obob2o$7obobobo2b2o2bobobob7o$2obo2b2o2b3o2b2o2b3o2b2o
2bob2o$bobo2b2o16b2o2bobo$2obob3o5bob2obo5b3obob2o$bobobobobobo2b4o2bo
bobobobobo$bo5bob3o2b4o2b3obo5bo$2bob5obob2ob2ob2obob5obo$o2b2o2b2o3bo
bo2bobo3b2o2b2o2bo$bo7b2o2bob2obo2b2o7bo$o2b2o2b2o3bobo2bobo3b2o2b2o2b
o$2bob5obob2ob2ob2obob5obo$bo5bob3o2b4o2b3obo5bo$bobobobobobo2b4o2bobo
bobobobo$2obob3o5bob2obo5b3obob2o$bobo2b2o16b2o2bobo$2obo2b2o2b3o2b2o
2b3o2b2o2bob2o$7obobobo2b2o2bobobob7o$3b2obob7o2b7obob2o$6b2o2bobobo2b
obobo2b2o$o7b3ob3o2b3ob3o7bo$4b3o3b3o6b3o3b3o$2b3o3bob2o2bo2bo2b2obo3b
3o$o2bo2b2ob2obob4obob2ob2o2bo2bo$4ob2ob2o2bo6bo2b2ob2ob4o!
#C [[ AUTOSTART THEME 6 PAUSE 2 GPS 5 LOOP 72 ]]
```

Posted: **April 23rd, 2015, 11:51 am**

It seems that almost all of the common self-sustainable randomagar/gsearch results were found by Catagolue... I would be impressed if Sokwe's p10 or p32 showed up in the search, although that seems pretty unlikely.dvgrn wrote:So what's the next likely new period for Catagolue? Any bets on whether it will be an unknown oscillator next time?

By the way, Sokwe, have you used randomagar or randagar to find these?

I really hope a period 7 popping out of Catagolue... It seems unlikely as well, but who knows what will come out? I think it's possible fo r either a new p7 or a burloaferimeter or airforce coming out of a symmetric soup.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2015, 2:40 pm**

this one looks interesting(LWSS on HWSS):

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```
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oobooboooboobbbo$
ooobboobboobobbb$
booboooboobooooo$
booobobobboobobo$
oobobobobobbbbbb$
oobbbobbbobobobb$
boboooobbbobbooo$
bbbobooobbbbbbbo$
booobbbobobbboob$
bbooobbbbobboooo$
obboobobbbbbobob$
oobbbobooobooooo$
boobooooobobobob$
boooobooobobbboo$
boobobobobobbboo$
oooboobboobbboob!
```

Posted: **April 23rd, 2015, 4:12 pm**

If you're talking about asymmetric soups, then I would bet it's going to be period 24, namely a figure eight on pulsar.dvgrn wrote: So what's the next likely new period for Catagolue? Any bets on whether it will be an unknown oscillator next time?

Posted: **April 23rd, 2015, 8:05 pm**

I found these using Nicolay Beluchenko's Windows GUI for Randagar (available here). I also found the following oscillators with Randagar:Scorbie wrote:Sokwe, have you used randomagar or randagar to find these?

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```
x = 213, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
145b2o$145bo$142b2obo$142bobo4b2o$149bo$147bobo$147b2o5$197b2o$48b2o
87b2ob6o51b2o$49bo87b2o13b2o$49bobo100b2o$12bo34b2obobo74bo72b2o$3o7bo
bo33bobobobo34b2obo2bob2o30b3o23bo6b2o39b2o8b2o$5bo4bobo32bobo2bo2b2o
25b2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o26bo22bo7bo49b2o$b2obob2o36bo5bo4bo24b2o5bobo4bob
o5b2o25b2o22bo7bob2o$4bo4b2o32bo7b4o33bo6bo28bo28bo6b2ob2o37bobo$6bo4b
o30bo12b3o66b3o9bo16bo7bo39bo3bo$3bo4bobo30bo5bo5b2o2bo69bo8bo16bo7bob
2o35bo3bo$3bobo4bo29bobo3bobo3bobo71bo9bo23b2ob2o34bo3bo$2bo4bo29bo2b
2o5bo5bo72b2o8bo63bobo$3b2o4bo27b3o12bo83bo$6b2obob2o27b4o7bo36bo6bo
40bo55b2o$bobo4bo30bo4bo5bo29b2o5bobo4bobo5b2o88b2o8b2o$bobo7b3o26b2o
2bo2bobo30b2o4bo2bo4bo2bo4b2o32b2o65b2o$bo40bobobobo38b2obo2bob2o39b2o
13b2o$42bobob2o96b6ob2o$43bobo160b2o$45bo160b2o$45b2o3$141b2o$140bobo$
140bo$139b2o4bobo$144bob2o$144bo$143b2o!
```

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```
x = 466, y = 93, rule = B3/S23
255b2o11b2o$255b2o11b2o3$250bo8bo5bo8bo$249bobo6b2o5b2o6bobo$248bo2bo
5bo2bo3bo2bo5bo2bo$249b2o6bobo5bobo6b2o$258b2o5b2o3$244b2o33b2o$244b2o
33b2o$250b2o21b2o$249bo2bo19bo2bo$248b2ob2o19b2ob2o$250bo23bo163b2o$
164bo2bo266b2o2bo$162b3o2b3o263bo2bobo$161bo3b2o3bo258b2obo2bo2b2o$
161bobo4bo2bo78bo23bo154bob2obobobo$162b3obob2obo76b2ob2o19b2ob2o157b
3o3bo$168bo2b2o76bo2bo19bo2bo154b4obob3obo$162b6o2bo2bo76b2o21b2o154bo
3bo3bo3bo$161bobo7bobo70b2o33b2o149b3o5b3o$161bo3b2o3b2ob2o69b2o33b2o
80b2o3b2o64bob3obo$162b3ob2o2bo3bo258b5o$164bobob2ob3o260b3o$171bo37b
2o47b2o5b2o85b2o21b2o$7b2o157bo42b2o38b2o6bobo5bobo6b2o76b2o21b2o$7bob
o160bo77bo2bo5bo2bo3bo2bo5bo2bo164bo$8bo159bo80bobo6b2o5b2o6bobo73b2o
27b2o62bo$250bo8bo5bo8bo74b2o9b2o5b2o9b2o61b2o$15b2o32bo32b3o35b2o233b
3ob2o7b2ob3o67b2o$15b2o31b2o69bobo39b2o44b2o97b2o46bobo15bobo67bo$4b2o
41b2o33bo28bo5bo4bo39bobo11b2o30b2o45b2o11b2o36b2o46b2o17b2o63b2o$4b2o
2b3o10b2o23bo34b2o26b2ob2o2b2obobo41b2o8b2o2bo26bo4bo45b2o11b2o84bo19b
o63b2o$8bo4b3o4bobo22bob4o32bo25bo7bo3bo51bob2o27bo3bo$8bobo4bo5bo22bo
bo4bo28bo29bobo59bo31b2o7b3o101bo36bo19bo59bo$13bobo27b2obob2obo2b2o
24bo3bo87bo40bo102bo2bo33b2o19b2o45b4o7bobo23bo2b2o$42b2o2bob2obob2o
23b2o31b3o7bo24b2o10b2o13bob2o142bo26bo6bo21bo6bo29b2o6bob2o8b3o22bobo
2bo$7bobo36bo4bobo22bo5b3o2b2o23bo7b3o23bo2b2o7b2o4b2o7b2o2bo16b2o21bo
97b2obo27bo35bo28bo2bo42bobobo$bo5bo4bobo32b4obo20bob2o4bo5b2o58b2obo
13b2o10b2o16b2o5b2o11bob2o91b2o4b2o89bo2bo2bobo10b2o14b2o13b2obob2o$ob
o4b3o4bo36bo21bo3bo3bo39bobo27bo48b2obo11b2o5b2o83bob2o95b5obob2o9b2o
14bo13bo2b2o3bo$2o10b3o2b2o30b2o22bo5bobo30bo3bo7bo26bo48bo21b2o82bo
105b2o2bo24b3o10b3o3b2o2bo$17b2o29b2o62bobob2o2b2ob2o22b2obo155bo2bo
36bo35bo25bob2o3b3o36b3o2b2obobo$6b2o40bo62bo4bo5bo23bo2b2o8b2o43bo62b
o40bo37bo6bo21bo6bo24bobob2o2b3o36b3o3b2obo$6b2o73b2o29bobo31b2o11bobo
40b3o7b2o51b3o85b2o19b2o31bo2b2o3b3o10b3o24bo2b2o$81b2o29b2o47b2o46bo
3bo50bo89bo19bo33bo3b2o2bo13bo14b2o9b2obob5o$14bo193bo4bo50b2o52b2o89b
2obob2o13b2o14b2o10bobo2bo2bo$13bobo192b2o108b2o34bo19bo35bobobo42bo2b
o$14b2o139bo53b2o41b2o100b2o17b2o34bo2bobo22b3o8b2obo6b2o$153bo98b2o
100bobo15bobo34b2o2bo23bobo7b4o$157bo99bobo95b3ob2o7b2ob3o63bo$152bo
104bo91b2o9b2o5b2o9b2o$150b3ob2obobo189b2o27b2o52b2o$149bo3bo2b2ob3o
45b2o52b3o168b2o$149b2ob2o3b2o3bo44b2o51bo2bo5b2o81b2o21b2o52bo$150bob
o7bobo96bo3bo5b2o81b2o21b2o52b2o$150bo2bo2b6o97bo19b2o148b2o$151b2o2bo
103bo3bo15b2o148bo$152bob2obob3o88b2o8bo2bo97b2o3b2o62bo$152bo2bo4bobo
87b2o9b3o$153bo3b2o3bo$154b3o2b3o77b2o36b2o156b3o$156bo2bo80bo193b5o$
240bobo28b3o4bo154bob3obo$241b2o27bo3bo156b3o5b3o$249b3ob3o13bo5bo154b
o3bo3bo3bo$249bo5bo13bo5bo154bob3obob4o$249bo5bo13b3ob3o155bo3b3o$250b
o3bo27b2o149bobobob2obo$246bo4b3o28bobo147b2o2bo2bob2o$284bo148bobo2bo
$246b2o36b2o147bo2b2o$432b2o$261b3o9b2o$261bo2bo8b2o$244b2o15bo3bo$
244b2o19bo$254b2o5bo3bo$254b2o5bo2bo$261b3o2$267bo$265bobo$271b2o$271b
2o2$259b2o$260bo$257b3o$257bo!
```

Posted: **April 24th, 2015, 12:14 pm**

We have now reacheÎ´ one trillion objects in B3S23/C1!

Posted: **April 24th, 2015, 4:13 pm**

Does anyone happen to know where this 40-cell oscillator, xp4_8cf3jggj3fc8zy0pvvpz13fccwccf31, has been seen before?

Koenig's Object Database has it as 40P4.11, but other references seem to be sparse. Is it a relatively recent find?

Koenig's Object Database has it as 40P4.11, but other references seem to be sparse. Is it a relatively recent find?

Posted: **April 25th, 2015, 5:35 pm**

There are 4 soups now. Here's a slow-salvo recipe with cleanup for a total of 15 gliders. I can't seem to place the sparks myself but this should mean Elkies' p5 in 19?Scorbie wrote:Anyone going for an eight-glider synthesis of the still life? (This is the only soup in Catagolue)Code: Select all

`x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23 2b2o$b2o2bo$2o3bo$5bo4$7bo$4bob3o$5bo2bo$6b2o!`

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```
x = 44, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
41bo$41bobo$41b2o10$15b3o2$19b2o$19b2o5$21b2o$14b2o4bo2bo2b2o$13bo2bo
4b2o3b2o$13bobo$14bo2$24b3o$26bo$25bo4$28b2o$27bo2bo$28b2o12$3o$2bo$bo!
```

Posted: **April 25th, 2015, 6:05 pm**

Not exactly a slow-salvo recipe -- that would be impressive, to hit a single small target with fifteen unidirectional slow gliders and end up with xs18_69ar4kozw23. This looks more like "six-object constellation plus three synchronized gliders" to me.biggiemac wrote:There are 4 soups now. Here's a slow-salvo recipe with cleanup for a total of 15 gliders.

Is there a known way to spark this still life to get Elkies' p5, though? The 24-glider synthesis starts from a slightly different base still life. Mark Niemiec's database lists the still life as 18.6226, buildable with 29 gliders... by building Elkies' p5 first! So if nothing else, this certainly takes 18.6226 off the expensive list (>1 gliders per bit).

Posted: **April 25th, 2015, 6:19 pm**

Here's the slow salvo version I lifted it from. I neglected to post it.
From what I know, this synchronized spark pair activates Elkies' p5. I just don't know how to make the sparks cheaply.

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```
x = 18, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
2b3o2$6b2o$6b2o5$8b2o$b2o4bo2bo2b2o$o2bo4b2o3b2o$obo$bo2$11b3o$13bo$
12bo4$15b2o$14bo2bo$15b2o2$11bo$10bobo$10bobo$11bo4b2o$16b2o!
```

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```
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3bo$7b2o$4b2o$3bo2bo$o2bobo$4ob2o$4bo$2bobo$2b2o!
```

Posted: **April 25th, 2015, 10:03 pm**

Here ya go:biggiemac wrote:From what I know, this synchronized spark pair activates Elkies' p5. I just don't know how to make the sparks cheaply.Code: Select all

`RLE`

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```
x = 27, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
14bobo$15b2o9bo$9bo5bo8b2o$2bo4bobo15b2o$obo5b2o$b2o$4bo$4b2o$3bobo$
16b2o$15bo2bo$16bobo2bo$15b2ob4o$17bo$17bobo$18b2o!
```

Posted: **April 26th, 2015, 12:49 am**

Finally we have a 34-bitter.

Here's how it came about:
EDIT: Strange - I thought I'd use the twitter timestamp to track down which haul contained this. It was tweeted at 9:30pm PST (4:30 UTC, 19 minutes before I posted here), and only 2 reported hauls were committed from the 4:15-4:30 UTC window, neither of which contained xs34. None of the hauls I could access from the recents screen contained xs34, which were all my own and went back to 3:14 UTC. I'm curious how this is.

Here's how it came about:

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```
x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$6b2o$bo14b2o$obo12bo2bo$obo13b2o$bo3$5bo6b3o$5bo5bo2bo$5bo6b2o2$
16b2o$15bo2bo$16b2o!
```

Posted: **April 26th, 2015, 2:55 am**

Looking at the D8_1 still lives, the largest odd-bit-count is 53, and comes from an aries variant. Most of the other large stills are also aries or krake variants. It makes sense, the only surviving bit on the diagonal is at the tip of a symmetric forward growth that halts stably. While not the only way to create such a large still life, it's at least orders of magnitude more probable.Scorbie wrote:It would be interesting if the odd bit counts are conquered by aries(plural).

Posted: **April 26th, 2015, 6:16 am**

Let's see, you can get the haul ID from the hashsoup link. So the haul was "auy2MsbQhvag"... and then the URL for the haul seems to need the MD5 hash for that 12-character string, I assume to avoid case problems in the URL. So that gives usbiggiemac wrote:EDIT: Strange - I thought I'd use the twitter timestamp to track down which haul contained this. It was tweeted at 9:30pm PST (4:30 UTC, 19 minutes before I posted here), and only 2 reported hauls were committed from the 4:15-4:30 UTC window, neither of which contained xs34. None of the hauls I could access from the recents screen contained xs34, which were all my own and went back to 3:14 UTC. I'm curious how this is.

http://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1/4da9fa577f615e261a8db200ef4a2a66

-- which shows a date stamp of 2015-04-26 at 04:14:11 UTC, just barely before the time window you mentioned.

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`x = 84, y = 63, rule = B3/S23`

13b2ob2o45b2ob2o$9b2o2b2ob2o2b2o37b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$8bobo9b2o36bobo9b2o$

8b2o14bo33b2o14bo$23bobo47bobo$24bo42b2obo3bo$7b2o48b2o7bo4bo$7b2o16bo

31b2o7bobo3bo2bo$24bobo36b2obo3b2o2bobo$25bo37b2ob2o7bo$9bo49bo$8bobo

15bo31bobo15bo$9bo15bobo31bo15bobo$26bo49bo$7bo49bo$6bobo18bo28bobo18b

o$7bo18bobo28bo18bobo$10bo16bo32bo16bo$9bobo47bobo$10bo19bo29bo19bo$

29bobo47bobo$30bo49bo$8bo49bo$7bobo21bo25bobo6b2o13bo$8bo21bobo25bo6bo

bo12bobo$31bo34bo14bo2$6bo49bo$5bobo47bobo$6bo49bo4$71b2o$71b2o4$53b2o

$52bo2bo$38b2o13b2o5b2o$2o36b2o20b2o$2o2$63b3o3$11b3o$11bobo$11bobo$

11b2o$8b2ob2o69b2o$b2o6bo72b2o$b2o7bo4$17b2o$17b2o$66bo12b3o$65bobo$

65bobo$66bo!

Posted: **April 27th, 2015, 7:09 am**

52-cell pseudo-still-life from asymmetric soup:

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```
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3o4bobob2ob2o$obobo2bo2b3obo$3bo2b4ob2ob2o$bo2b3o2b2o$obo5bobo4bo$obob
2obobo3b3o$bo3bo4bobob2o$4ob2o2b3obobo$3bo2b2obob2obo$b3ob2obo2bo3bo$b
o8bo2b3o$3o3bo4b4o$ob7o2b3obo$3bo4bob3o2bo$ob4obo2b2obo$o3bo4b6o!
```

Posted: **April 27th, 2015, 12:00 pm**

New record holder for asymmetric still lifes, 33 cells:

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```
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3ob2ob3ob2o$9b2ob2o$bo3b2ob2ob2ob2o$bobo4b3ob4o$4bo2b2obobobo$b2o3b2o
2b6o$4bo5b2o2bo$obo2b2ob2o2bobo$2o3b2o2bo$bob3ob3obo3bo$b3o5b5obo$5bo
2bo3b4o$bo5b2ob4o$5b3obobo3bo$b7obob3obo$2b3o2bobobobo!
```

Posted: **April 27th, 2015, 3:58 pm**

If you use the "candlefrobra" terminology, this should be (at least in my opinion) "candlefrobra with trans-block", not "candlefrobra on trans-block".dvgrn wrote:Technically I guess it's either a "block on cis candelfrobra", or a "trans-block and long hook eating tub", or according to Catagolue a plain old candlefrobra on trans-block".

There. That's my nomenclature system for naming variations of oscillators.