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Re: Soup search results

Post by David » February 16th, 2016, 10:08 am

I've discovered new xs23:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
o3bob2o4bo$bo6bo2bob2o$b3obobobobo2b2o$3o7bob3o$2bo3bo3bob2obo$o3b7ob
2o$bob2ob2obob2o$b2o2b4o2b4o$2o2b2obobo2bo2bo$o7b3o2b2o$3b4obobobo$3ob
ob2o2bo2b2o$2ob3obo2bob4o$b6obob3o$bobo3bobobo2bo$o3bobobo2bobo!
Why isn't this recorded as my discovery, in Catagolue?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Extrementhusiast » February 16th, 2016, 4:26 pm

While not technically from the soup search, a component to turn a block into a fuse w/two tails:

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x = 21, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o8bo$9bo$6bo2b3o$5bobo$5bobo$6bo4$10bo$10bo$10bo2$6b3o3b3o2$10bo$
10bo$10bo10$18b3o$18bo$19bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » February 16th, 2016, 6:39 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:While not technically from the soup search, a component to turn a block into a fuse w/two tails:

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x = 21, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o8bo$9bo$6bo2b3o$5bobo$5bobo$6bo4$10bo$10bo$10bo2$6b3o3b3o2$10bo$
10bo$10bo10$18b3o$18bo$19bo!
Even though this particular conversion is rarely needed (since the ftt can be easily made from a tub w/tail, which can then be made from an eater), it will come in handy in cases where turning a block into a tail-first eater is awkward.

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Re: Soup search results

Post by drc » February 17th, 2016, 5:07 pm

This p2, while common in diagonal symmetries like D2_2, hadn't occurred until it showed up in one of my hauls:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bboobbbbooboobbb$
obooobboooobooob$
bobbboobbooobooo$
obbbbooboboobbbo$
oobbobbooooobbob$
oobobobboboobbbb$
bbobboobbobobbob$
bobbbobobobooobb$
obobbbbooobooobb$
bbbbobbbbbbbobbo$
obobbbobooobbbbo$
bbbbobbobboobooo$
boooobooobobobob$
oobbboobooooobbb$
obboboooboobobbb$
bbbooboooobbbbbo!
Also, Adam found another yl1152:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boooobooboobobbb$
oobbbbbobooobbbo$
oboboooobbobbooo$
oooboboboobooooo$
bbobbobooobobbob$
ooobobbboboobbbb$
boobobooboboobob$
bboobbbbboobbobb$
obbbbboboboobboo$
oooobooooobboboo$
bobobbobbobboobb$
bbbbbbobooooobbo$
boboobbooooobbbb$
oobboboboobbbooo$
obboobboobooooob$
boboobboobbbobbo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by praosylen » February 22nd, 2016, 4:23 pm

Another one of that 39-cell still life:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oooboboobbbbooob$
bbboobbbbooboobo$
oooboobbbobobobb$
oobbbbbbboobobob$
obbbobobobooobbo$
oboobobbbboooobb$
obbbbbbbbobooobo$
bboobbobbbbbobbb$
bobbobobbbbobobb$
obbboobooobbooob$
oooobooobbbooboo$
bbooboboobbbbboo$
oooboobobbbbbbob$
bobooobboobooooo$
boboooobbbooobob$
bbobbbobobobooob!
A mold variant:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbbboobbobbbbob$
oobbboobobbboobb$
ooboobbbooooboob$
obobbbobbbobbobo$
bobobobbboooobob$
oooobbbobboobbbb$
boboobbbobbbbobo$
ooobooboobbbbobb$
bbbbobbboobbboob$
oboooobobbbobboo$
booobbbooobbbobo$
oobooooooobobobb$
boobooooobooobbo$
bbboobbbbboooboo$
bboobbooobbbbboo$
oooobobbobboobbo!
Another Elkies' p5:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbboboobbboooobb$
ooooobbooobboboo$
bbbbbbbboboooobo$
oobbobobbobboooo$
oobbbbobooobobbb$
ooobbboboboobobb$
oobobobboooooooo$
bbbooobobbbbobob$
obbboobooobboboo$
ooobbobboooboobo$
obboobbooooobobo$
oooobobbbbbboboo$
obbobbbooobooobb$
booboobobobbbboo$
boooboobbobboobb$
booobbobooobbbbo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by David » February 24th, 2016, 8:10 am

New xs24.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obboooobbooboooo$
bbooobbboboobbbo$
boooboooobobbbob$
bbbooooobbbobobo$
bbboboobbobbbbob$
obobobbbbooobbbo$
obbbobbobbbbbbbb$
obbbboobooobobbo$
bbboobbobbooooob$
oobbbobbbbboobbb$
boobooooobbbooob$
bbobbbboobboobob$
boooooobbobboobo$
bbobooooboobboob$
ooboobobobboobbb$
obobbbobbobbbbbo!
This isn't listed as my discovery, either... Why?
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Re: Soup search results

Post by calcyman » February 24th, 2016, 11:58 am

David wrote:This isn't listed as my discovery, either... Why?
Only discoveries sufficiently notable to appear on the Twitter feed are attributed. Otherwise, user pages would soon become clogged with tens of thousands of so-called 'discoveries' which are no more than trivialities.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Dean Hickerson » February 27th, 2016, 5:40 pm

David wrote:New xs24.

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
obboooobbooboooo$
bbooobbboboobbbo$
boooboooobobbbob$
bbbooooobbbobobo$
bbboboobbobbbbob$
obobobbbbooobbbo$
obbbobbobbbbbbbb$
obbbboobooobobbo$
bbboobbobbooooob$
oobbbobbbbboobbb$
boobooooobbbooob$
bbobbbboobboobob$
boooooobbobboobo$
bbobooooboobboob$
ooboobobobboobbb$
obobbbobbobbbbbo!
Based on that, here's a 14-glider synthesis of the 24-bit still life; this is probably not minimal:

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x = 44, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
21bo$21bobo$21b2o3$17bo$18b2o4bo$17b2o3b2o$23b2o15bo$40bobo$40b2o2$26b
o$25bo$25b3o$8bobo$9b2o$9bo4$25bo$3b2o19b2o$4b2o18bobo$3bo$38b2o$6b2o
29b2o$5bobo31bo$7bo$2o33b2o$b2o32bobo$o34bo2$41b2o$41bobo$17b3o21bo$
19bo$18bo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by BlinkerSpawn » February 28th, 2016, 8:32 pm

The xs39 is synthesizable from 9 gliders:

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x = 26, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
7bo$5bobo$6b2o15$23bobo$23b2o$24bo3$11bo$9bobo$10b2o4$22b3o$24bo$22b3o
2$12b3o$14bo$13bo5$24bo$23b2o$23bobo7$b2o$obo$2bo5$5bo$5b2o$4bobo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by Dean Hickerson » February 29th, 2016, 2:06 am

BlinkerSpawn wrote:The xs39 is synthesizable from 9 gliders:

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x = 26, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
7bo$5bobo$6b2o15$23bobo$23b2o$24bo3$11bo$9bobo$10b2o4$22b3o$24bo$22b3o
2$12b3o$14bo$13bo5$24bo$23b2o$23bobo7$b2o$obo$2bo5$5bo$5b2o$4bobo!
Here's a slight improvement; 8 gliders:

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x = 24, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o8$21bobo$21b2o$22bo3$9bo$7bobo$8b2o4$20b3o$22bo$20b3o2$10b
3o$12bo$11bo5$22bo$21b2o$21bobo9$2o$b2o$o!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Dean Hickerson » March 10th, 2016, 11:59 am

A for awesome wrote:A mold variant:

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbbbboobbobbbbob$
oobbboobobbboobb$
ooboobbbooooboob$
obobbbobbbobbobo$
bobobobbboooobob$
oooobbbobboobbbb$
boboobbbobbbbobo$
ooobooboobbbbobb$
bbbbobbboobbboob$
oboooobobbbobboo$
booobbbooobbbobo$
oobooooooobobobb$
boobooooobooobbo$
bbboobbbbboooboo$
bboobbooobbbbboo$
oooobobbobboobbo!
Here's a 14-glider synthesis based on that:

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x = 125, y = 138, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo8$122bobo$122b2o$123bo21$93bo$92bo$92b3o7$66bobo$66b2o$67bo$
57bobo$58b2o$58bo2$54bo$52bobo$53b2o24bo$79bobo$79b2o$66bobo$66b2o$67b
o7$47bo$48bo$46b3o6$43b3o8b3o4b3o$45bo10bo6bo$44bo10bo6bo17$42bo$42b2o
$41bobo43$2o$b2o$o!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Apple Bottom » March 10th, 2016, 6:46 pm

Another new mold variant:

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x = 6, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3b3o$bob3o$obobo$o2bo$b2o2$b4o$bo2bo$2b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by calcyman » March 19th, 2016, 4:37 am

What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by praosylen » March 19th, 2016, 12:21 pm

Pulsar half!

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
3b2ob3o3bob2o$2o4b4o2bo2bo$6bob6o$2b2o2bo2bobobobo$ob4o5bob3o$5bob2obo
bo2bo$obo3b3o2bobo$o2bo4bob2obobo$b2o2bob3obo$bo3b2ob3o2b3o$ob3o6b2obo
$2b2o6bo2b2o$ob3o4bob2o$b2obob2obo2b2o$3bob2ob4o2b2o$bobo3bo2b3o2bo$3b
ob2ob4o2b2o$b2obob2obo2b2o$ob3o4bob2o$2b2o6bo2b2o$ob3o6b2obo$bo3b2ob3o
2b3o$b2o2bob3obo$o2bo4bob2obobo$obo3b3o2bobo$5bob2obobo2bo$ob4o5bob3o$
2b2o2bo2bobobobo$6bob6o$2o4b4o2bo2bo$3b2ob3o3bob2o!
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 5ghh/b3s23
Edit: And a p60!

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bobbobboooooobbb$
oboobobbbboboooo$
obbbbbobbbooboob$
booobobbbbobbobb$
ooboboobbbobbooo$
oobbbbbobbbbbobb$
obboobbbbbbbbbbb$
obooboobbbooboob$
oooobbbooobbobbo$
oooobobobooooboo$
boobbbbbboobbooo$
bobobobobbobooob$
obbobobobbbbbboo$
boboobbboobobobb$
oboboobobbbbbobb$
obbooobbbboboobb$
oboboobobbbbbobb$
boboobbboobobobb$
obbobobobbbbbboo$
bobobobobbobooob$
boobbbbbboobbooo$
oooobobobooooboo$
oooobbbooobbobbo$
obooboobbbooboob$
obboobbbbbbbbbbb$
oobbbbbobbbbbobb$
ooboboobbbobbooo$
booobobbbbobbobb$
obbbbbobbbooboob$
oboobobbbboboooo$
bobbobboooooobbb!

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https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/ov_p60/b3s23
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Re: Soup search results

Post by drc » March 19th, 2016, 12:27 pm

A for awesome wrote:Pulsar half!

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
3b2ob3o3bob2o$2o4b4o2bo2bo$6bob6o$2b2o2bo2bobobobo$ob4o5bob3o$5bob2obo
bo2bo$obo3b3o2bobo$o2bo4bob2obobo$b2o2bob3obo$bo3b2ob3o2b3o$ob3o6b2obo
$2b2o6bo2b2o$ob3o4bob2o$b2obob2obo2b2o$3bob2ob4o2b2o$bobo3bo2b3o2bo$3b
ob2ob4o2b2o$b2obob2obo2b2o$ob3o4bob2o$2b2o6bo2b2o$ob3o6b2obo$bo3b2ob3o
2b3o$b2o2bob3obo$o2bo4bob2obobo$obo3b3o2bobo$5bob2obobo2bo$ob4o5bob3o$
2b2o2bo2bobobobo$6bob6o$2o4b4o2bo2bo$3b2ob3o3bob2o!
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 5ghh/b3s23
WHAT

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Re: Soup search results

Post by gmc_nxtman » March 19th, 2016, 12:30 pm

Base reaction:

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x = 12, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$4bobo$5bo3$11bo$o10bo$2o9bo$o8b2o4$o8b2o$2o9bo$o10bo$11bo3$5bo$4b
obo$4b2o!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by calcyman » March 19th, 2016, 12:51 pm

drc wrote:
WHAT
I hadn't seen it before, either, but there are 5 samples soups and it's already in jslife.
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Re: Soup search results

Post by chris_c » March 19th, 2016, 2:06 pm

calcyman wrote: I hadn't seen it before, either, but there are 5 samples soups and it's already in jslife.
Me, neither. I don't know if this object already had a synthesis but here is a 16 glider one:

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x = 60, y = 83, rule = B3/S23
58bo$57bo$57b3o7$36bo$36bobo$36b2o$11bo$9bobo$10b2o25bo$37bobo$37b2o4$
o$b2o$2o35bo$36bo12bo$36b3o9bo$48b3o6$32bo$30bobo$31b2o$36bo$36bobo$
36b2o8$29bo$29bobo$29b2o5b2o$36bobo$36bo$31b2o$30bobo$32bo2$17bo$17b2o
$16bobo2$b2o45b3o$2b2o44bo$bo47bo21$57b3o$57bo$58bo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by Apple Bottom » March 19th, 2016, 5:00 pm

Period-60 symmetric queen-bee shuttle variant:

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x = 7, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o7$2b3o$bo3bo2$o5bo$2o3b2o7$3b3o7$2o3b2o$o5bo2$bo3bo$2b3o7$3b
2o$3b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by gmc_nxtman » March 19th, 2016, 7:07 pm

We've now bookend and long bookend twin bees shuttles in symmetric soups.

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
oobboboobobboobb$
ooobbbbooooobbbb$
boooobboobooooob$
obboobbbobbooobo$
oooobbbobbobbboo$
bbboobbbbboooobb$
obobbbobbbobbobb$
obbbbobbbbbbboob$
bobbbobobbboobob$
oboboboooobboobo$
ooobbboobboboboo$
obbobobbbooboboo$
bbbobboboobbobbb$
bboobobbboobbooo$
bbooobooobbboboo$
booooobooobbboob$
bbooobooobbboboo$
bboobobbboobbooo$
bbbobboboobbobbb$
obbobobbbooboboo$
ooobbboobboboboo$
oboboboooobboobo$
bobbbobobbboobob$
obbbbobbbbbbboob$
obobbbobbbobbobb$
bbboobbbbboooobb$
oooobbbobbobbboo$
obboobbbobbooobo$
boooobboobooooob$
ooobbbbooooobbbb$
oobboboobobboobb!

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
booooobbobbboobb$
obbbbbbobboobbob$
bobobobbbboobbbo$
bbbobbbobbbboboo$
bobbobbbbbboobob$
bbooobbbboobobob$
obbbbobobobooooo$
bbbbboboobboboob$
obbobobbobbooboo$
oooobobboooboobo$
obobobbbbobobooo$
oobobboboobobboo$
obbbboobobbobbob$
obbboooooboboboo$
bobooboobbooobbb$
oooobboboobbbobb$
bobooboobbooobbb$
obbboooooboboboo$
obbbboobobbobbob$
oobobboboobobboo$
obobobbbbobobooo$
oooobobboooboobo$
obbobobbobbooboo$
bbbbboboobboboob$
obbbbobobobooooo$
bbooobbbboobobob$
bobbobbbbbboobob$
bbbobbbobbbboboo$
bobobobbbboobbbo$
obbbbbbobboobbob$
booooobbobbboobb!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by chris_c » March 20th, 2016, 8:13 am

Cute soup that results in a pufferfish and nothing else:

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
o2bo3b4obo2bo$2o2bo3bo3b4o$ob3obo2b4ob2o$5ob3obobo2bo$2bobobo2b2obobo$
bobobo9bo$2ob3ob2obob2obo$ob2o6bo4bo$bo4b2obob2obo$ob2o2b2obob2obo$o3b
2o2b3obobo$obob2o3b2o2b2o$3bo10bo$o3b4o3b2obo$4bo2bobo3b3o$4b2o3b2o2b
2o$4bo2bobo3b3o$o3b4o3b2obo$3bo10bo$obob2o3b2o2b2o$o3b2o2b3obobo$ob2o
2b2obob2obo$bo4b2obob2obo$ob2o6bo4bo$2ob3ob2obob2obo$bobobo9bo$2bobobo
2b2obobo$5ob3obobo2bo$ob3obo2b4ob2o$2o2bo3bo3b4o$o2bo3b4obo2bo!

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Re: Soup search results

Post by praosylen » March 20th, 2016, 9:38 am

The smallest form of the p30 pre-pulsar shuttle:

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x = 16, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
oobbobbbobbbboob$
oooooboobobbbbob$
obbbbobbboobbbob$
obbobooobbbbbobb$
bbobobbobbbbbooo$
boooooobbobobbbo$
booboobbbobobobb$
bbobobbboooooboo$
boobobooboobobbb$
bbobbooobobbobob$
bobbooobbooooobo$
oooobbobooboooob$
bbbobbobbbbbboob$
ooobooobbbbbbobo$
bobooobbbobbbooo$
bbbobbbobbbobbob$
bobooobbbobbbooo$
ooobooobbbbbbobo$
bbbobbobbbbbboob$
oooobbobooboooob$
bobbooobbooooobo$
bbobbooobobbobob$
boobobooboobobbb$
bbobobbboooooboo$
booboobbbobobobb$
boooooobbobobbbo$
bbobobbobbbbbooo$
obbobooobbbbbobb$
obbbbobbboobbbob$
oooooboobobbbbob$
oobbobbbobbbboob!
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 1252/b3s23
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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » March 20th, 2016, 6:38 pm

Yesterday, Apgsearch reported the following new P15 "oscillator", a fumarole on pentadecathlon: http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1 ... 0757/b3s23
This appears to be a pseudo-object rather than an actual object, so I suspect apgsearch's pseudo-object filter may be buggy. I am aware of 3 ways in which a fumarole and pentadecathlon can interact non-trivially, but this (#4) isn't one of them. (There are 3 (EDIT: 5) additional pseudo-objects where the pentadecathlon spark inducts the fumarole's stator).

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x = 103, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2o28b2ob2o25b2ob2o6bo29bo$o2b3o6bobo2bobo10bo12bo4bo11bo10bo18b2o9bo$b
2o5b2obo2bo2bo2bob2o7b2o2bo2bo2b2ob4ob2o10b2o2bo4bobo17bo2b2o5bobo$6bo
5bobo2bobo12b3o3bo4bo4bo13b3o6bo19b2ob2o5bo$6bo25b3o27b3o6bo22b2o5bo$b
2o28b2o2bo25b2o2bo5bo22b2o5bo$o2b3o24bo29bo10bo19b2ob2o5bo$2o28b2ob2o
25b2ob2o5bobo17bo2b2o5bobo$71bo18b2o9bo$71bo29bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Post by gameoflifeboy » March 20th, 2016, 6:48 pm

mniemiec wrote:Yesterday, Apgsearch reported the following new P15 "oscillator", a fumarole on pentadecathlon: http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp1 ... 0757/b3s23
This appears to be a pseudo-object rather than an actual object, so I suspect apgsearch's pseudo-object filter may be buggy.
It was decided in the creation of apgsearch that oscillators whose histories overlapped/touched should be counted as one object.
calcyman wrote:One reason for this is that otherwise, it would be possible for (say) a pseudo-object consisting of two reflectorless rotating oscillators to have an overall period of 40, but for each of its components to have period 80. And I'm not sure what this should be counted as.

In theory, using a three-dimensional array (x, y, t) we could distinguish between objects that do not causally affect each other, despite occupying the same space at different times. But Golly doesn't support 3D rules (yet?) so I would have to resort to implementing this manually (which would be awkwardly slow).

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Re: Soup search results

Post by mniemiec » March 20th, 2016, 7:05 pm

gameoflifeboy wrote:It was decided in the creation of apgsearch that oscillators whose histories overlapped/touched should be counted as one object.
calcyman wrote:One reason for this is that otherwise, it would be possible for (say) a pseudo-object consisting of two reflectorless rotating oscillators to have an overall period of 40, but for each of its components to have period 80. And I'm not sure what this should be counted as.
One way to avoid the above specific problem is to attempt to split an pseudo-object candidate into two objects, and if one (or both) have the same period as the combined candidate, this is a trivial composition, but if both have lower periods (e.g. 40 and 40 vs. 80), this should be included as a new non-trivial object. (I have a custom rule with a small but prolific P280 (mod 90) rotating shuttle; 2 in the same arena make a P140 oscillator.)
gameoflifeboy wrote:In theory, using a three-dimensional array (x, y, t) we could distinguish between objects that do not causally affect each other, despite occupying the same space at different times. But Golly doesn't support 3D rules (yet?) so I would have to resort to implementing this manually (which would be awkwardly slow).
The pseudo-still-life filter I use with my still-life/oscillator searcher does use a 3-dimensional array. It checks cell connectivity and cell viability, but does not actually run patterns.

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