Yes, that was one option -- though I hadn't thought of re-using a horizontal *WSS in that way. I was thinking of avoiding the need for backward glider streams from ahead of the block trails, something along these lines:codeholic wrote:Did you mean something like {backward glider stream + horizontal LWSS produces boat trail}?
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x = 4552, y = 850, rule = B3/S23
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212bo3bo296bo3bo212bo3bo296bo3bo212bo3bo$3294bo216b4o297bo216b4o297bo
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1914b3o$1906b2o7bo52b2o314b2o$1906b2o7bo2bo39b2o8b2o262b2o40b2o8b2o$
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256b2o56b2o7$2064b3o$2064bo2bo$2064b2ob2o$2068bo$2061bo2b2ob2o$1916b2o
40b2o102bob4o50b3o111b2o40b2o$1916b2o40b2o157b2o2bo110b2o40b2o$2116bob
ob2o$2074b3o42b3o4b3o88b2o$2218b2o$2217bo3$1977b3o$1977bo$1978bo83b2o
64b2o$2062b2o64b2o7$1908b2o56b2o98b2o56b2o98b2o56b2o$1908b2o56b2o98b2o
56b2o98b2o56b2o$2023bo$2024bo$2022b3o3$2036bobo125bo$2036b2o124b2o$
2037bo125b2o2$2159bo$2160bo$2074b2o40b2o40b3o$2074b2o40b2o17$1908b2o
56b2o98b2o35bo20b2o98b2o56b2o$1908b2o56b2o98b2o36bo19b2o98b2o56b2o$
2102b3o3$2084bo$2082b2o$2083b2o6$2074b2o40b2o$2074b2o40b2o!
Each LWSS-HWSS pair can be arbitrarily adjusted, and with this particular collision the block trails can be built in any order. So maybe there's a way to keep all the *WSSes in safe zones somehow. All I know at the moment is that the above spacing causes a bad G/HWSS interaction almost immediately...!
Good to know. I had just noticed this morning that it worked to swap in a boat, but didn't do a thorough search beyond that.codeholic wrote:By the way, as you may know, boats can also be used as trails (but no other single spartan objects, I did an exhaustive gencols search).
EDIT: A rough diagram reassures me somewhat, that it might be possible to avoid forward glider/horizontal *WSS crossings, at the cost of laying out larger and larger right triangles at the head of the spaceship. The *WSSes should be able to get past any columns of untriggered seeds, since the seeds are edge-shooters...
-- I have the feeling I'm still missing an obvious conflict, but I don't see it immediately. Anyway, this design definitely needs forward rakes, plus some kind of helix at the head of each seed construction column to provide targets for the forward slow salvos. So I think I'll drop this blueprint for now, and see what else can be done with backrakes only, along the lines of your suggestion.