Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

[MathAndCode]

Also, I don't see a synthesis of this over on Catagolue. There's only one soup, and it forms at generation 1.

There's probably a way to insert the traffic light predecessors that is cheaper than hitting a loaf siamese barge with a glider. I also looked into alternatives, but each created unwanted junk that hit the oscillator.

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x = 34, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
19bobo$8bo10b2o3bo$6bobo11bo3bobo$bo5b2o15b2o5bo$2bo28bobo$3o28b2o3$14b
2ob2o6b2o$7b2o4bobobobo4bo2bo$6bo2bo3bo2bo2bo3bobobo$6bobo5bobobo5bob
o$7bo3b4obob4o3bo$10bo5bo5bo$9bob5ob5obo$10bo5bo5bo$2bo8b4obob4o6bobo
$3b2o9bobobo9b2o$2b3o8bo2bo2bo9bo$3b4o6bobobobo5b2o$4bo2bo6b2ob2o5bo2b
o$5b2o18b2o4$7b2o15b2o$6bobo3bo11bobo$8bo3b2o10bo$11bobo!

[wwei23]

A way to move a pond

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x = 18, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
16bo$b2o12bo$o2bo11b3o$o2bo$b2o7$7bo4b3o$6bobo$6bobo$7bo3$4b3o2$2bo5bo
$2bo5bo$2bo5bo$5bo$4bobo$4bo2bo$5b2o!

There's probably a way to insert the traffic light predecessors that is cheaper than hitting a loaf siamese barge with a glider. I also looked into alternatives, but each created unwanted junk that hit the oscillator.

Turns out that A for Awesome thought of that mechanism a long time ago.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1155&p=99102#p99102

[MathAndCode]

A way to move a pond

The base reaction is simply a honey farm predecessor that has been perturbed.



Edit:

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x = 26, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$2.3A$5.A6.3C$4.2A8.C$13.3C4$12.D$11.3D$2A8.2D.D$.A$.A.A$2.2A$24.2A$24.2A!

[Hunting]

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x = 35, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
20bobo$9bo10b2o3bo$7bobo11bo3bobo$2bo5b2o15b2o5bo$obo29bobo$b2o29b2o3$
7b2o6b2ob2o6b2o$6bo2bo4bobobobo4bo2bo$6bobobo3bo2bo2bo3bobobo$7bobo5bo
bobo5bobo$8bo3b4obob4o3bo$11bo5bo5bo$10bob5ob5obo$11bo5bo5bo$8bo3b4obo
b4o3bo$7bobo5bobobo5bobo$6bobobo3bo2bo2bo3bobobo$6bo2bo4bobobobo4bo2bo
$7b2o6b2ob2o6b2o3$b2o29b2o$obo29bobo$2bo5b2o15b2o5bo$7bobo3bo11bobo$9b
o3b2o10bo$12bobo!

Known:

A final step for circle of fire:

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x = 27, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
11bobo$7bo4b2o5bo$8bo3bo5bo$6b3o9b3o2$o2bo7b2ob2o7bo2bo$4bo5bobobobo5b
o$o3bo5bo2bo2bo5bo3bo$b4o6bobobo6b4o$8b4obob4o$7bo5bo5bo$6bob5ob5obo$
7bo5bo5bo$8b4obob4o$b4o6bobobo6b4o$o3bo5bo2bo2bo5bo3bo$4bo5bobobobo5b
o$o2bo7b2ob2o7bo2bo2$6b3o9b3o$8bo5bo3bo$7bo5b2o4bo$13bobo!

Unfortunately, the central 64-cell still life would almost certainly be very hard to construct.

As a side note, there's one soup for the oscillator on Catagolue, but it's not really any help, as expected, since it forms at generation 1:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
booooboooboooboooboooboooboooob$
bbobboobboobbbbbbbbboobboobbobb$
obobbobbbbobooboboobobbbbobbobo$
obbobbooooobbooooobbooooobbobbo$
ooobbbobobbooboboboobbobobbbooo$
bbobbbbbbobooboboboobobbbbbbobb$
ooooobooooobobooobobooooobooooo$
boooooooboobbooboobboobooooooob$
ooooboooobooobbobbooobooooboooo$
bobobbobbbooboobooboobbbobbobob$
boobbboobbobooboboobobboobbboob$
bbooooobboobbobobobboobbooooobb$
bbbbbbooooooboboboboooooobbbbbb$
obbboboboobbooboboobboobobobbbo$
oobbboboobobbbbobbbboboobobbboo$
ooobobbbbobooooboooobobbbbobooo$
oobbboboobobbbbobbbboboobobbboo$
obbboboboobbooboboobboobobobbbo$
bbbbbbooooooboboboboooooobbbbbb$
bbooooobboobbobobobboobbooooobb$
boobbboobbobooboboobobboobbboob$
bobobbobbbooboobooboobbbobbobob$
ooooboooobooobbobbooobooooboooo$
boooooooboobbooboobboobooooooob$
ooooobooooobobooobobooooobooooo$
bbobbbbbbobooboboboobobbbbbbobb$
ooobbbobobbooboboboobbobobbbooo$
obbobbooooobbooooobbooooobbobbo$
obobbobbbbobooboboobobbbbobbobo$
bbobboobboobbbbbbbbboobboobbobb$
booooboooboooboooboooboooboooob!

EDIT: BlinkerSpawn posted this mechanism, that might be easier to construct the central still life for, on the Discord:

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x = 19, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
9bo$7b2o3b2o$5b2o5bobo2$2bo4b2o2b2o3bo$obo3bo2bo2bo3bobo$b2o4bobobo4b
2o$4b4obob4o$3bo5bo5bo$2bob5ob5obo$3bo5bo5bo$4b4obob4o$b2o4bobobo4b2o$
obo3bo2bo2bo3bobo$2bo4b2o2b2o3bo2$5b2o5bobo$7b2o3b2o$9bo!

[JP21]

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x = 67, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
12b2o27b2o11b2o$11bo2bo25bo2bo9bo2bo$11b3o27b3o9b3o2$9b7o23b7o5b7o$9bo
5bo23bo5bo5bo5bo$12bo29bo11bo$11b3o27b3o9b3o$11b3o27b3o9b3o$10bo3bo25b
o3bo7bo3bo$21b2o9b2o29b2o$11b3o7bo11bo7b3o9b3o7bo$17bo4bo9bo4bo21bo4bo
$9b3o3bobo3b2o9b2o3bobo3b3o5b3o3bobo3b2o$13bo5bo15bo5bo4bo8bo5bo$8bo4b
o6b5o5b5o6bo6bobo4bo6b5o$9b3o7bo4bo5bo4bo7b3o2bo2b3o7bo4bo$21bobo7bobo
29bobo$11b3o7bo11bo7b3o9b3o7bo2$10bo3bo25bo3bo7bo3bo$11b3o27b3o9b3o$
11b3o27b3o9b3o$2b3o7bo29bo11bo$bo2bo4bo5bo23bo5bo5bo5bo$4bo4b7o23b7o5b
7o$o3bo$o3bo6b3o27b3o9b3o$4bo6bo2bo25bo2bo9bo2bo$bobo8b2o27b2o11b2o!

[praosylen]

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rle

That's brilliant, I love it! Reminds me of this HWSS + 2x eater 1 reaction:

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x = 13, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$7bobo$7bo$6b2o2$3o6b2o$o2bo5bobo$o10bo$o3bo6b2o$o3bo$o$bobo!

[JP21]

That's brilliant, I love it! Reminds me of this HWSS + 2x eater 1 reaction:

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rle

Wow nice. I didn't know that pattern existed.

[MathAndCode]

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x = 67, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
12b2o27b2o11b2o$11bo2bo25bo2bo9bo2bo$11b3o27b3o9b3o2$9b7o23b7o5b7o$9bo
5bo23bo5bo5bo5bo$12bo29bo11bo$11b3o27b3o9b3o$11b3o27b3o9b3o$10bo3bo25b
o3bo7bo3bo$21b2o9b2o29b2o$11b3o7bo11bo7b3o9b3o7bo$17bo4bo9bo4bo21bo4bo
$9b3o3bobo3b2o9b2o3bobo3b3o5b3o3bobo3b2o$13bo5bo15bo5bo4bo8bo5bo$8bo4b
o6b5o5b5o6bo6bobo4bo6b5o$9b3o7bo4bo5bo4bo7b3o2bo2b3o7bo4bo$21bobo7bobo
29bobo$11b3o7bo11bo7b3o9b3o7bo2$10bo3bo25bo3bo7bo3bo$11b3o27b3o9b3o$
11b3o27b3o9b3o$2b3o7bo29bo11bo$bo2bo4bo5bo23bo5bo5bo5bo$4bo4b7o23b7o5b
7o$o3bo$o3bo6b3o27b3o9b3o$4bo6bo2bo25bo2bo9bo2bo$bobo8b2o27b2o11b2o!

Fly-by hassling also works with a pair of HWSSes.

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x = 20, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$11bo$8bo$9b2o7$2b3o10b3o$bo2bo10bo2bo$4bo10bo$o3bo10bo3bo$o3bo10b
o3bo$4bo10bo$bobo12bobo!

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x = 20, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$11bo$8bo$9b2o6$15b3o$2b3o10bo2bo$bo2bo10bo$4bo10bo3bo$o3bo10bo3b
o$o3bo10bo$4bo11bobo$bobo!

[wwei23]

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x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo$11bobo$12bo2$16b2o$15bo2bo$bo14b2o$ob2o$o3bo7bo$b2obo6bobo
$3bo7bobo$12bo4$16b2o$16b2o!

[MathAndCode]

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x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo$11bobo$12bo2$16b2o$15bo2bo$bo14b2o$ob2o$o3bo7bo$b2obo6bobo
$3bo7bobo$12bo4$16b2o$16b2o!

Have you checked the glider cost of that object? That reaction might not be useless. However, this more immediate predecessor might be more useful.

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x = 15, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8bo$10b2o$b2o6bo2bo$b2o7bobo$11bo$7bo$7bo$2b2o$o2b4o$o4bo$o$2b2o4$
13bo$12bobo$12bobo$13bo!

(The junk at the left is a traffic light predecessor.)
Also, if hitting a loaf with a domino spark in that way is too hard, one can synthesize the B-sequence and traffic light predecessor separately.



Edit: The block can be replaced by a glider.

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x = 18, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
obo8bo$b2o8bo$bo11b2o$12bo2bo$13bobo$14bo$10bo$10bo$5b2o$3bo2b4o$3bo4b
o$3bo$5b2o4$16bo$15bobo$15bobo$16bo!

[goldenratio]

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x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
12bo$11bobo$11bobo$12bo2$16b2o$15bo2bo$bo14b2o$ob2o$o3bo7bo$b2obo6bobo
$3bo7bobo$12bo4$16b2o$16b2o!

Have you checked the glider cost of that object? That reaction might not be useless. However, this more immediate predecessor might be more useful.

It's a fairly common still life on Catagolue for its size (239k occurences on Catagolue). Coincidentally, dvgrn made a post about it almost six years ago: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1452&p=17137#p17137
The current glider cost is 7 gliders, so the will almost definitely not result in a reduction: xs22_02596z69bp552

[MathAndCode]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1452&p=17137#p17137
The current glider cost is 7 gliders, so the will almost definitely not result in a reduction: xs22_02596z69bp552

wwei23 has posted at least two reactions that could be useful for syntheses recently, so I figured that this could be another, but thank you for letting us know that the object can already be constructed cheaply.

[mniemiec]

(Circle of Fire final step)

Reduced:

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x = 45, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
25bobo$14bo10boo3bo$12bobo11bo3bobo$13boo15boo$$10bo23bo$11bo21bo$9b3o
21b3o$20booboo$19bobobobo$19bobbobbo$20bobobo$17b4obob4o13bobbo$b4o11b
o5bo5bo11bo$o3bo10bob5ob5obo10bo3bo$4bo11bo5bo5bo11b4o$obbo13b4obob4o$
20bobobo$19bobbobbo$19bobobobo$20booboo$9b3o21b3o$11bo21bo$10bo23bo$$
13boo15boo$12bobo3bo11bobo$14bo3boo10bo$17bobo!

[Schiaparelliorbust]

(Ring of Fire final step)

Reduced:

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x = 45, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
25bobo$14bo10boo3bo$12bobo11bo3bobo$13boo15boo$$10bo23bo$11bo21bo$9b3o
21b3o$20booboo$19bobobobo$19bobbobbo$20bobobo$17b4obob4o13bobbo$b4o11b
o5bo5bo11bo$o3bo10bob5ob5obo10bo3bo$4bo11bo5bo5bo11b4o$obbo13b4obob4o$
20bobobo$19bobbobbo$19bobobobo$20booboo$9b3o21b3o$11bo21bo$10bo23bo$$
13boo15boo$12bobo3bo11bobo$14bo3boo10bo$17bobo!

It is actually a Circle of fire.

[MathAndCode]

Here are a couple of inaccessible P→R conduits:

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x = 31, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
8.2A$9.A$9.A.A$10.2A3.D$15.2D$14.2D3$14.3C$14.C.C$9.2A3.C.C3.2A$4.2A2.
A2.A7.A2.A2.2A$.A2.A4.A.A7.A.A4.A2.A$A.A.A5.A9.A5.A.A.A$.A2.A.2A15.2A
.A2.A$4.A2.A15.A2.A$5.A4.A9.A4.A$6.5A9.5A2$8.A13.A$7.A.A11.A.A$8.A13.A!

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x = 25, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
9.D6.2A$2.A4.3D6.A$3.2A3.D5.A.A$.2A11.2A$3.A$8.3C$8.C.C$8.C.C3.2A$4.2A
7.A2.A2.2A$5.A7.A.A4.A2.A$2.3A9.A5.A.A.A$2.A14.2A.A2.A$17.A2.A$14.A4.
A$14.5A2$16.A$15.A.A$16.A!

[wwei23]

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x = 15, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
14bo$12b3o$11bo$11b2o2$8b3o$7bo3bo$6bo5bo$7bo3bo$2b2o4b3o$bobo$bo$2o9b
2o$11bo$12b3o$14bo!
[[ STOP 11 ]]

Edit: LOL

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x = 21, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4bo11bo$3bobo8b3o$3bobo7bo$b3ob2o6b2o4b2o$o18bo$b3ob2o10bobo$3bob2o10b
2o$10b3o$9bo3bo$10b3o6$8b2o$9bo$6b3o$6bo!

[MathAndCode]

LOL

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x = 21, y = 19, rule = B3/S23
4bo11bo$3bobo8b3o$3bobo7bo$b3ob2o6b2o4b2o$o18bo$b3ob2o10bobo$3bob2o10b
2o$10b3o$9bo3bo$10b3o6$8b2o$9bo$6b3o$6bo!

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x = 18, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
13bo$12bobo$12bobo$11b2ob3o$17bo$11b2ob3o$11b2obo2$8b3o$7bo3bo$6bo5bo
$7bo3bo$2b2o4b3o$bobo$bo$2o!

[wwei23]

Weird loaf constellation

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x = 27, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2bo2bo$3b3o2$3b3o$2bobobo$bo5bo$o7bo$9bo$10bo$11bo$12bo$13bo$14bo
$15bo$16bo$17bo$18bo$19bo$20bo$21bo$22bo$23bo$24bobo$25b2o!

Edit:

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x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
o$bo$2bo$3bo$4bo$5bo$6bo$7bo$8bo$9bo$10bo$11bo11bo$12bo9bo$13bo8b3o$
14bo$15bo$16bo$17bo$18bo$19bo$20bo$21bo$22bo$23bo$24bo$25bo$26bo$27bo$
28bo$29bo$30bo!

[GUYTU6J]

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x = 26, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
2.A$2.3A$5.A6.3C$4.2A8.C$13.3C4$12.D$11.3D$2A8.2D.D$.A$.A.A$2.2A$24.2A$24.2A!

Unfortunately that's a rediscovery, though with one less block:viewtopic.php?t=&p=30111#p30111
An H-to-G that gives two FNG out of three inputs:

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x = 140, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
39bo49bo49bo$37b3o47b3o47b3o$36bo49bo49bo$36b2o48b2o48b2o$19b2o48b2o
48b2o$b2o17bo30b2o17bo30b2o17bo$2bo17bobo29bo17bobo29bo17bobo$bo19b2o
28bo19b2o28bo19b2o$b2o48b2o48b2o2$83b2o$83b2o2$126b2o$o3b2o44bo3b2o44b
o3b2o20b2o$2o2b2o44b2o2b2o26b2o16b2o2b2o$b2o48b2o29b2o17b2o$2o48b2o48b
2o9$33b2o48b2o48b2o$33b2o48b2o48b2o!

[otismo]

would like to call it Three Queens and Two Aces but my two aces aren't really doing anything...

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x = 36, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
16b2o$16b2o2$30bo$16b3o11bo$5bo10b3o10bobo$5bo24bo$4bobo23bo$5bo24bo$
5bo8b2o3b2o9bo$5bo9b5o9bobo$5bo10b3o11bo$4bobo10bo12bo$5bo$5bo3$26bo$
25b2o$9bo14b2o4b2o2b2o$9b2o12b3o4b2o2b2o$2o2b2o4b2o12b2o4b2o$2o2b2o4b
3o12b2o$4b2o4b2o14bo$9b2o$9bo!

[praosylen]

Weird loaf constellation

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rle

Here's something...

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x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
12bo$12bobo$12b2o3$5b2o$5b2o$8b2o$7b2obo$8b3o$9bo2$3o$2bo$bo!

[MathAndCode]

Here's something...

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x = 15, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
12bo$12bobo$12b2o3$5b2o$5b2o$8b2o$7b2obo$8b3o$9bo2$3o$2bo$bo!

I'm trying to make a glider synthesis out of it. Unfortunately, this doesn't work.

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x = 23, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
20bobo$17bo2b2o$15b2o4bo$16b2o$4bobo$5b2o$5bo$17bo$16bo$16b3o2$15bo$
14b2o$14bobo4$16b2o$15b2o$17bo$2o$b2o$o!

[Mr. T]

This would be a nice c/10-puffer, if it doesn't kill itself before the first period is fulfilled. Every try to get the deadly Glider out of the way fails. Any suggestions?

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x = 111, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
15b2o2b2o69b2o2b2o$15b2o2b2o69b2o2b2o$14b3o2b3o67b3o2b3o$14b3o2b3o67b
3o2b3o2$14bo6bo67bo6bo$14bo2b2o2bo67bo2b2o2bo$15b6o69b6o3$4b2o11b2o73b
2o11b2o$3bo2bo9bo2bo71bo2bo9bo2bo$3bo2bo9b4o71b4o9bo2bo$2bo4bo7b2o2b2o
69b2o2b2o7bo4bo$2bo4bo4bo2bo4bo2bo63bo2bo4bo2bo4bo4bo$3b4o8bo4bo69bo4b
o8b4o$2b2o2b2o8b4o71b4o8b2o2b2o$2bo4bo4bo10bo63bo10bo4bo4bo$2bo4bo5bo
8bo65bo8bo5bo4bo2$17b2o73b2o$3b4o97b4o$4b2o86b3o10b2o$94bo$b2o4b2o84bo
8b2o4b2o$o2bo2bo2bo91bo2bo2bo2bo$b3o2b3o93b3o2b3o$b2o4b2o93b2o4b2o!

[wwei23]

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x = 16, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
3bo$bobo9bo$2b2o9bobo$13b2o2$7b2o$7b2o5$2bo$obo$b2o2$7b2o$7b2o3$12b2o$
12bobo$12bo!

EDIT:

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x = 29, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
6bo19bo$b2ob2o2bo15b2o2bo$3obo2b2o15bo2b2o$6b3o17b3o!

Edit 2: I finally figured out how to attach tails to things!

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x = 20, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
17bo$17bobo$17b2o9$3bo3bo$2bobobobo$3bo3bo10$10b2o$10bobo$10bo3$3o$2bo
$bo!

Edit 3: Look at generations 6 and 12, it looks like a (2,1)c/6 frontend!

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x = 7, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bob2o$b3ob2o$2bo!

Edit 4: I'm messing around with dr again. I'm hoping that it'll spit something new out, but a search with a high max size tends to inevitably get killed by replit before it find any oscillators at all, even known ones, but a low max size is likely to only find known oscillators. While I was typing this, it also mentioned the known P17 oscillator, which is probably the most exciting thing that I've ever seen from it.

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x = 12, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
6.A$4.3A3.2A$3.A3.2A2.A$2.A2.A.A.2A$3.3A3.A$6.A2.A$.3AD.3A$A3.A$2A2.A
.3A$5.A.A2.A$3.A.A3.2A$2.A.2A$2.A$.2A!

[roolif]

Completey useless, almost surely known p2 chopped out from

toad replacer/monotoadflip

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x = 11, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
3.2A.2A$2.A.B2A.A$2.AB3.2A$3.A3.A$3A5.3A$A9.A!
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