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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by mniemiec » December 27th, 2015, 10:16 am

Scorbie wrote:By the way, I didn't know there were at least two distinct ways to make LWSSs.

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x = 11, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8bobo$8b2o2$2bo$obo$b2o5$5b2o$6b2o$5bo12$6bo$5bo$5b3o3$2bo$obo$b2o
5$5b2o$6b2o$5bo!
My spaceship page http://codercontest.com/mniemiec/ss.htm has about 3 dozen syntheses each of LWSS and MWSS, plus a couple of dozen for HWSS. The related flotilla page also has a few flotillae that are close enough together that special methods are needed to add some of these spaceships in certain positions.

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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by dvgrn » December 27th, 2015, 12:24 pm

Scorbie wrote:One might not call this as an 'Infinite Novelty', but this behaves pretty unpredictably, at least for the first 1G generations.
Yes, it seems as if a slightly more complex and robust feedback loop is needed to generate infinite novelty.

The random-restart LWSS stream hitting random ash constellations makes a fairly decent novelty-generating mechanism. I suppose it might produce larger and larger cycles, effectively calculating some hideously complex recursive function, which could theoretically count as infinite novelty.

But if that feedback loop doesn't fall into a periodic cycle, it is pretty much guaranteed to fall prey to an even less interesting novelty killer. If the ash+LWSS interaction keeps generating new constellations, then eventually it will happen to create a fishhook eater in the right orientation to catch the LWSS stream -- or any of an infinite number of less likely LWSS-eating objects.

Any LWSS-stream eater will be very likely to shut down all novelty production in the pattern, fairly quickly. Previous "infinite novelty" patterns have usually had enough stages of feedback to make both shutdown and simple periodicity much less likely.

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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by gameoflifeboy » December 27th, 2015, 3:41 pm

It finishes sometime before the billionth generation, when a LWSS eater forms naturally!

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x = 531, y = 346, rule = B3/S23
22$51b2o$50bo2bo$45bo5b2o$44bobo$44bobo$45bo4$43bo$43bo$43bo5$45bo$44b
obo$44bo2bo$45b2o51bo$92b3o3bo$98bo$85b2o$85b2o6$49bo$48bobo$49b2o5$
59b2o$59b2o5$85b2o$84bobo$85bo$81bo$80bobo$69b2o10b2o$69b2o$77b2o$77b
2o13b2o$92b2o2$96b2o$96b2o3$75bo$74bobo$74bobo$75bo27bo$102bobo$43bo
58bobo$43bo59bo$43bo$46b2o50bo9bo$46b2o49bobo7bobo$97b2o9b2o$81b2o$81b
2o2$60bo$60bo$60bo20bo$81bo$56b3o3b3o16bo19bo$101bo$60bo16b3o3b3o15bo$
60bo$60bo20bo15b3o3b3o$81bo$28b2o51bo10b2o7bo$27bo2bo60bo2bo6bo$28b2o
18b2o42b2o7bo$48b2o22b2o55b2o$42bo14bo14b2o54bo2bo$42bo13bobo70b2o$42b
o13bo2bo$18b2o9b2o26b2o$18b2o9b2o7b3o3b3o41bo$88bo$42bo45bo$42bo$42bo
53b2o$28bo67b2o$28bo53b2o$28bo52bo2bo$69b2o11b2o$24b3o3b3o19b2o5b2o7bo
2bo25b2o17b2o$52b2o5bobo6bo2bo25b2o17b2o$28bo31bo8b2o31bo$28bo72bobo$
28bo28b2o43bo24b2o$57b2o68b2o3$8b2o3b2o4b2o98b2o$8b2o3b2o4b2o97bobo$
119bo$89b3o32b2o$54b3o67b2o$59b2o55b2o$52bo6b2o55b2o$52bo41b2o12b2o$
43b2o7bo13bo16bo10b2o12b2o15bo$35b3o4bo2bo19bobo14bobo40bo$43bobo8b3o
8b2o15b2o41bo$44bo65b3o$27b2o$27b2o11b2o60bo5bo$40b2o13b2o45bo5bo$7bo
47b2o45bo5bo$7bo$7bo2$53b2o5b2o36bo$21bo25b2o4bobo4b2o36bo$20bobo24b2o
5bo43bo13b3o$20b2o$35b2o79bo$35b2o13b3o63bo$116bo2$112b3o2$18bo$17bobo
$13b2o2bobo56bo74b2o$13b2o3bo57bo74bobo$76bo39bo35bo$116bo27b2o$71b2o
43bo27b2o$70bo2bo$71b2o14b3o2$38bo$37bobo$37bobo$38bo3$134b3o2$44b2o$
44b2o13b3o15b2o$77b2o$162b3o6b2o$81b2o10b3o75b2o60bo$28b2o50bo2bo62b3o
84bo$28b2o50bo2bo73b2o74bo$81b2o8b2o64b2o79b2o$32bo58b2o79bo65b2o3b2o$
31bobo71bo65bobo57b2o10b2o5b2o$31bobo71bo65bobo57b2o16bo2bo$32bo72bo
66bo77bobo$6b3o139bo36b3o63bo$b2o23b2o99b2o18bobo$o2bo21bobo98bo2bo17b
obo$b2o23bo48bo16b2o33b2o19bo$75bo16b2o$75bo67b2o7b2o$142bo2bo5bo2bo$
25b2o37b3o4b3o3b3o63b2o7b2o30b2o34b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b
2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o$25b2o157b2o33b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o
20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o$62bo12bo28b2o42bo10b2o5b2o32b2o16b
2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o
19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19bo$62bo12bo27bo2bo40bobo8bo2bo3bo2bo
31b2o17b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o
$62bo12bo27bo2bo40bobo9bobo3bobo$104b2o42bo11bo5bo$128bo72b2o$117bo3b
2o4bobo71b2o20bo$116bobo2b2o4bo2bo91bobo$87bo27bo2bo9b2o33b2o58bobo$
86bobo27b2o14bo12bo17b2o59b2o$5b2o79bobo42bobo10bobo$5b2o80bo43bobo9bo
bo$132bo11bo28bo$172bobo$172bobo47bo$85b3o16b2o17b2o48bo48bo$103bobo
17b2o97bo$14bo74bo13b2o94b2o$14bo74bo22bo86b2o$14bo74bo21bobo52b3o$46b
o63bo2bo36b2o$45bobo63b2o37b2o$45bobo129b2o$23b3o20bo129bobo$64bo111b
2o45b2o$64bo157bo2bo$64bo157bobo$148b3o72bo2$11bo$2o8bobo260b2o34b2o
82b2o46b2o$10bo2bo152bo106bobo33bobo81bobo45bobo$3bo7b2o153bo107bo35bo
83bo47bo$3bo53bo108bo$3bo52bobo$56bobo$2o55bo3b2o$61b2o2$64bo$37b3o23b
obo7b2o$63bo2bo6b2o$35bo5bo22b2o$35bo5bo$35bo5bo2$37b3o2$21b3o2$2b2o$
2b2o$11b2o$10bo2bo$11b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Scorbie » December 28th, 2015, 12:27 am

A miraculous boat restoration AND pi restoration for absolutely no benefit.
This should be THE Rube Goldbergian pattern.

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x = 20, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
19bo$5b2o10b3o$6bo9bo$6bobo7b2o$7b2o2$2o10bo$bo9bobo$bobo7b2o$2b2o$12b
o$11b2o$11bobo5$5b2o$6bo$3b3o$3bo11b3o$9b2o4bo$9bo2bo3bo$10b3o$15bo$
10b6o$10bo$13b3o$13bo2bo$15b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by towerator » December 28th, 2015, 8:44 pm

Scorbie wrote:A miraculous boat restoration AND pi restoration for absolutely no benefit.
This should be THE Rube Goldbergian pattern.

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x = 20, y = 30, rule = B3/S23
19bo$5b2o10b3o$6bo9bo$6bobo7b2o$7b2o2$2o10bo$bo9bobo$bobo7b2o$2b2o$12b
o$11b2o$11bobo5$5b2o$6bo$3b3o$3bo11b3o$9b2o4bo$9bo2bo3bo$10b3o$15bo$
10b6o$10bo$13b3o$13bo2bo$15b2o!
Hmm... the catalyst is inconveniently placed. But this HAS to be oscillizable, one way or another.
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Scorbie » December 28th, 2015, 10:53 pm

@towerator Actually it would have been slightly possible if it weren't for that restored boat. That "miraculous" restored boat gets in the way of the pi and looks very hard to clean up cheaply, so I would say this is nearly impossible. What luck.
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by A for awesome » December 29th, 2015, 12:54 pm

An undecomino eater predecessor:

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x = 2, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
o$2o$bo$bo$2o$2o$o$o!
Edit: A decomino that produces a LWSS:

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x = 3, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
3o$2bo$b2o$3o$o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Scorbie » December 31st, 2015, 12:24 pm

Here's an amusing but not-so-useful HF-to-B.

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x = 23, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
16bo$14b3o$13bo$13b2o$21b2o$21bo$19bobo$13bo5b2o$13bobo$13b3o$15bo15$
18b2o$19bo$2b2o15bob2o$bo2bo13b2o2bo$bobo2bo8bo4b2o$2ob4o8b5o$13b2o4bo
$4ob2o7bo2b2o$o2bobo8bobo$2bo2bo3bo2bobobo$3b2o4b4ob2o$13bo$11bobo$11b
2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by AwesomeFace » January 3rd, 2016, 8:38 pm

probably the most useless component ever

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x = 23, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
9bo3bo$5b2obobobobob2o$4bobobobobobobobo$4bobobobobobobobo$2b2o2bobobo
bobobo2b2o$bo4bobobobobobo4bo$b5o2bobobobo2b5o$8bobobobo$b7o2bobo2b7o$
o9bobo9bo$b9o3b9o$11bo$b9o3b9o$o9bobo9bo$b7o2bobo2b7o$8bobobobo$b5o2bo
bobobo2b5o$bo4bobobobobobo4bo$2b2o2bobobobobobo2b2o$4bobobobobobobobo$
4bobobobobobobobo$5b2obobobobob2o$9bo3bo!

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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Saka » January 8th, 2016, 5:57 am

The most useless eaters ever:

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x = 114, y = 76, rule = B3/S23
6bo$5bobo$5bobo$3b3ob2o$2bo$3b3ob2o$5bob2o2$9b2o$9bobo75bo$11bo48b2o
24bobo$11b2o48bo9b2o13bobo$16b2o43bobo7bo12b3ob2o$12bo3b2o44b2o5bobo
11bo$11bobo51b2o2b2o13b3ob2o6b2o$10bobo52bobo18bob2o6bo$10bo56bo26bobo
$9b2o56b2o21b2o2b2o$72b2o16bobo9bo$68bo3b2o18bo9b3o$67bobo22b2o11bo6b
2o$66bobo20b2o13b2o6bo$66bo21bobo19bobo$65b2o21bo17b2o2b2o$87b2o17bobo
$108bo$108b2ob2o$9bo101b2o$8bobo$8bobo$6b3ob2o$5bo50bo$6b3ob2o6b2o8b2o
26b3o42bo$8bob2o6bo10bo9b2o18bo6b2o32bobo$16bobo10bobo7bo18b2o6bo33bob
o$12b2o2b2o12b2o5bobo24bobo31b3ob2o$12bobo18b2o2b2o21b2o2b2o11bo19bo$
14bo18bobo24bobo14b3o18b3ob2o6b2o$14b2o12bob2o3bo26bo17bo6b2o11bob2o6b
o$26b3ob2o3b2o25b2o15b2o6bo20bobo$25bo33b2o24bobo16b2o2b2o$26b3ob2o26b
obo20b2o2b2o17bobo$28bobo27bo22bobo15bob2o3bo$28bobo21b2o3b2o24bo13b3o
b2o3b2o$29bo10bo11bo30b2o11bo$40b3o7bobo44b3ob2o$43bo2b2o2b2o47bobo$
42bobobobo50bobo$43bo4bo51bo$48b2ob2o$51b2o$44b2o$44b2o4$4bo$3bobo20b
2o14b2o$3bobo20bo15bo$b3ob2o5bo11bobo13bobo$o9b3o11b2o14b2o$b3ob2o2bo
11b2o14b2o$3bob2o2b2o9bobo13bobo$21bo15bo$7b2o9b3o13b3o$6bobo8bo15bo$
7bo10b3o13b3o$4b3o14bo15bo$3bo16b2o14b2o$4b3o16b2o14b2obo$7bo15bobo13b
2ob3o$6b2o17bo19bo$25b2o12b2ob3o$40bobo$40bobo$41bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Saka » January 9th, 2016, 8:08 am

More useless eaters!

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x = 177, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
121bo2$121bo2$117bo3bo3bo2$77bo41bobobo$55bo20bobo$7b2o46b3o18bobo42bo
$5bo2bo24bo24bo9b2o4b3ob2o53bo$5b3o14b2o8bobo22b2o9bo4bo24bo33bobo$20b
o2bo8bobo31bobo5b3ob2o9b2o6bobo21bo10bobo$5b3o12b3o7b3ob2o11b2o10b2ob
2o2b2o8bob2o9bo7bobo20bobo8b2ob3o24bo10bo$4bo2bo21bo17bo10bobobobo22bo
bo5b3ob2o11b2o6bobo14bo10bo11bobo$4b2o14b3o7b3ob2o9bobo10bo5bo15b2ob2o
2b2o5bo17bo5b3ob2o7b2ob3o11b3o9bobo7bo$19bo2bo9bob2o2b2ob2o2b2o12b5o
15bobobobo9b3ob2o9bobo4bo13b2obo16bo7b2ob3o$2b2o2b2obo9b2o16bobobobo
17bo17bo5bo11bob2o2b2ob2o2b2o6b3ob2o26b2o13bo2bobobobobo$3bo2b2ob3o25b
o5bo11bob2o21b5o17bobobobo11bob2o2b2ob2o28b2ob3o$3o9bo4b2o2b2o11b2o2b
5o10b3ob2o23bo19bo5bo16bobobobo20b2ob2o2b2obo7bo$o5b2ob3o6bo2bo11bobo
4bo11bo23bob2o17bob2o2b5o17bo5bo19bobobobo$7bobo5b3o4b3o8bo19b3ob2o15b
3ob2o15b3ob2o4bo20b5o20bo5bo14bo$7bobo5bo8bo7b2o21bobo15bo20bo33bo23b
5o$8bo46bobo16b3ob2o15b3ob2o30b2obo19bo$56bo19bobo18bobo31b2ob3o11bob
2o$76bobo18bobo37bo8b3ob2o$77bo20bo32b2ob3o8bo$132bobo11b3ob2o$132bobo
13bobo$104bo28bo14bobo$103bobo43bo$103bobo$7b2o93b2ob3o$8bo99bo22bo$8b
obo20b2ob2o66b2ob3o22bobo$2o7bobo18bobobo60b2ob2o2b2obo24bobo$bo8bo3b
2o14bo4bo21b2ob2o32bobobobo28b2ob3o$bobo10b2o11b2o2b3obo20bobobo33bo5b
o34bo$2b2o2b2ob2o15bobo4b2o21bo4bo33b5o2b2o25b2ob3o$5bobobo16bo26b2o2b
3obo35bo4bobo17b2ob2o2b2obo$5bo4bo14b2o8b2o15bobo4b2o13bo29bo16bobobob
o$6b3obo24bo16bo51b2o15bo5bo$8b2o26b3o12b2o8b2obo7bo49b5o2b2obo$38bo
22b2ob3o57bo4b2ob3o$67bo2bobobobobo7bo48bo$61b2ob3o19b3o40b2ob3o$62bob
o7bo16bo18bo21bobo$62bobo23b2o17bobo20bobo$63bo10bo32bobo21bo$o89b2ob
2o10b3ob2o$3o86bobobo10bo$3bo85bo4bo10b3ob2o$2b2o7b2o77b3obo12bob2o$
11b2o13b2o64b2o$4b2ob2o18bo60b2o21b2ob2o$3bobobo19bobo59bo20bobobo$3bo
4bo19bobo55b3o21bo4bo$4b3obo20bo3b2o51bo24b3obo$6b2o25b2o78b2o$25b2ob
2o79b2o$24bobobo81bo$24bo4bo77b3o$25b3obo77bo$27b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Saka » January 9th, 2016, 10:16 am

Behold! The pinwheel eater!

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x = 25, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo6b2o9b2o$3bobo6b2o9bo$b3ob2o14bobo$o11b4o5b2o$b3ob2o4bobo2bob
2o$3bob2o4bo2bobob2o$8b2ob2o3bo$8b2obo4bo3b2o$12b4o4bo$21b3o$14b2o7bo$
14b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Linicks » January 10th, 2016, 12:38 pm

Bullseye:

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x = 28, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
o26bo$bo24bo$2bo22bo$3bo20bo$4bo18bo$5bo16bo$6bo14bo$7bo12bo$8bo10bo$
9bo8bo$10bo6bo$11bo4bo$12bo2bo$13b2o$13b2o$12bo2bo$11bo4bo$10bo6bo$9bo
8bo$8bo10bo$7bo12bo$6bo14bo$5bo16bo$4bo18bo$3bo20bo$2bo22bo$bo24bo$o
26bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by A for awesome » January 10th, 2016, 8:00 pm

2SL seed for longboat-on-beehive pseudo-SL:

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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
11bo$2o8bobo$2o4b2o2bobo$7b2o2bo$6bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Kazyan » January 10th, 2016, 8:14 pm

A for awesome wrote:2SL seed for longboat-on-beehive pseudo-SL:

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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
11bo$2o8bobo$2o4b2o2bobo$7b2o2bo$6bo!
This exact pseudo-SL showed up during a Spartan conduit search at one point:

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x = 15, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo$11bobo$12b2o2$12b2o$11bo2bo$12b2o$3o$bo$b3o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Scorbie » January 12th, 2016, 10:02 am

This almost works as a highway-robbing eater if it weren't for the problematic one bit at gen 19:

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x = 7, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2bo$3b2o$2b2o4$2o$obo$2bo2bo$b2obobo$3bob2o$3bo$2b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by AwesomeFace » January 13th, 2016, 1:51 am

probably my new favorite useless component (found it in a soup)

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$12bo2bo$13bobo$14bo$10b2o$9bo2bo$10bobo$11bo$7b2o$6bo2bo$bo5bobo
$obo5bo$obo$bo4bo$6b2o$5bobo!
Edit: just realized it works without the beehive
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by BlinkerSpawn » January 13th, 2016, 6:55 pm

AwesomeFace wrote:probably my new favorite useless component

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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$12bo2bo$13bobo$14bo$10b2o$9bo2bo$10bobo$11bo$7b2o$6bo2bo$bo5bobo
$obo5bo$obo$bo4bo$6b2o$5bobo!
Edit: just realized it works without the beehive
I wouldn't consider it useless, althoough I'm not sure if it's an improvement on existing technology.
That being said, there's still a good chance of that being the case.
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Scorbie » January 13th, 2016, 8:08 pm

The component is frozen, so it would be useful if one needs to construct something with a tail...
I'm not sure how useful that would be, though.

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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
9bo$8bobo$9bo$5b2o$4bo2bo$5bobo$6bo$2b2o$bo2bo$2bobo$3bo2$b2o$obo$2bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Linicks » January 14th, 2016, 2:09 pm

Here's a strange one - it somehow turns into a (double inverse) symmetrical pattern on each generation until there are four still lifes.:

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bo$o$o$b2o$2bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Alexey_Nigin » January 14th, 2016, 2:36 pm

Linicks wrote:Here's a strange one - it somehow turns into a (double inverse) symmetrical pattern on each generation until there are four still lifes.:

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RLE
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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Linicks » January 14th, 2016, 3:29 pm

Alexey_Nigin wrote:
Linicks wrote:Here's a strange one - it somehow turns into a (double inverse) symmetrical pattern on each generation until there are four still lifes.:

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RLE
It is called Lumps of muck.
Amazing - thanks. I guess I am a greenhorn :cry:

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Post by Saka » January 15th, 2016, 4:27 am

Linicks wrote:
Alexey_Nigin wrote:
Linicks wrote:Here's a strange one - it somehow turns into a (double inverse) symmetrical pattern on each generation until there are four still lifes.:

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RLE
It is called Lumps of muck.
Amazing - thanks. I guess I am a greenhorn :cry:

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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by Linicks » January 15th, 2016, 9:33 am

Saka wrote: Green horn? Qué significa eso?
GREENHORN A raw, inexperienced person; one easily imposed upon.

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Re: Thread For Your Useless Discoveries

Post by towerator » January 15th, 2016, 10:11 am

Saka wrote: Green horn? Qué significa eso?
Newbie, newcomer, stranger, it was another nickname for "tenderfoots"
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