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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 7th, 2015, 2:40 pm

I already know they are not conduits but post them in hopes someone can help me.
As I want to know how to use scripts and search to make real discoveries!
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 7th, 2015, 5:11 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:I already know they are not conduits but post them in hopes someone can help me.
As I want to know how to use scripts and search to make real discoveries!
Okay. That's a good goal, but there's a possible problem.

The first time you run a long search, say with ptbsearch or with catgl, it might take hours or days to finish its work.

The search program might report somewhere between 100 and 10,000 candidates. Almost every one of those will be at least as good as the last several "almost-X-to-Y" reactions that you've posted. Most of them will be a lot better -- at least, none of the catalysts will be destroyed immediately. The search program tries to make sure of that.

But still 99% of those candidate results from ptbsearch or catgl will turn out not to do anything useful. It's a really hard job to find the 1% or 0.1% of good results in among all the junk. Sometimes it will be 0% -- nothing good to be found on that search, so you have to run a new one.

Anyway, so you'll have to understand really clearly what you're looking for. So far you seem to believe that every new thing you see is a promising almost-conduit. That's not going to be true, for you or anyone. If it were very easy to do this kind of search, then everything would have been found already.

Carefully read other people's comments above, and learn to recognize good conduits from bad ones for yourself. Otherwise you won't be able to find the good results in among the hundreds of "almost" conduits in your search output. It won't work to just post 1000 candidates to this thread and ask for help. At best, that would really be someone else making the discovery.

And one more time: if you want a real discovery, you could try again to get past Step 3 of the LWSS-to-G walkthrough. That problem is at least a hundred times easier than finding a new signal conduit.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 7th, 2015, 7:55 pm

In fact.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by thunk » October 7th, 2015, 8:02 pm

The loop you have there is much too big to be an effective LWSS-->G. The longer the loop, the more time the signal takes to get around to the boat. And to beat 556 ticks, you don't have that much time.

Instead, try to find a conduit or two that reflect a Herschel in a B or Bx manner; this will allow you to position the syringe's input glider close to the output of the reaction, without using too many Snarks. Dvgrn's second component is a good start, but its input glider has the wrong color.

Good luck! I know it's hard, but you can do this.
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 8:52 am

What about this?

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 9:03 am

Gustavo6046 wrote:What about this?
Nice weld there! This is looking good, but all the same improvements can be made here, as for some of your previous converters. So I'll say the same things again. This time please ask specific questions if there's anything here you don't understand:
dvgrn wrote:How many ticks do you have to run this pattern, before you can paste another LWSS in the same location and have the converter work again? That's the repeat rate of the pattern. The target to beat is 556 ticks.

You still have a pair of Snarks you can move diagonally, up to 10 spaces. Every time you move a pair of Snarks inward by 1 diagonal cell, you save 8 ticks on the repeat rate. That's because the glider doesn't have to travel so far, either coming or going, and it travels at 1/4 of lightspeed.

You'll probably have to do more than just adjust the Snarks -- there are lots of other options to try. Did you try looking at Step 3 of the walkthrough again?
EDIT: Also, I notice you haven't used exactly the same form of the Bx167 conduit from the pattern in Step 3 -- there's a piece missing, that I don't think I've seen you use yet. There's a tub-with-tail eater in my version of the Bx167, that catches and eats an extra glider from the side.

And the other sample conduit I quoted in Step 3 is an L112. Have you tried making a short connecting loop with that?
Gustavo6046 wrote:I don't flood other threads!
You certainly used to, though -- several times more than anyone else on the conwaylife.com forums. It was getting to be a big problem, just because that's not how anyone else uses this particular forum. It might be perfectly fine somewhere else.

For example, I have notifications set for the threads that I'm interested in. If someone finds something new related to that topic, I'm really interested to go see what it is... but for a while there, when I would go and look, it would turn out to be you just "bumping" the thread, no new information.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 10:43 am

dvgrn wrote:And the other sample conduit I quoted in Step 3 is an L112. Have you tried making a short connecting loop with that?
It changes the glider's color. Anyway have you already seen the WinBellman GUI I posted days ago?
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by thunk » October 8th, 2015, 10:54 am

thunk wrote:Dvgrn's second component is a good start, but its input glider has the wrong color.
Gustavo6046 wrote:It [the L112] changes the glider's color.
Exactly. Two wrongs make a right here.
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 11:27 am

it is clear that the record will not be beaten with that reaction.

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7B44.3A2.8B$24.4A12B38.A4.A6.7B$24.A.2B3.7B.B2A36.3A3.3A5.5B7.2A$25.
3AB2.7B.BA.A38.A4.A5.7B5.A$28.A4.4B5.A37.2AB3.A.AB.8B2.BA.A$23.5A5.4B
5.2A36.4B3.2AB.9B.B2A$23.A10.4B43.4B4.13B$25.A9.4B43.4B4.12B4.B5.B$
24.2A10.4B43.4B3.12B.7B.2BA$37.4B43.4B.23BA.A$38.4B43.26B.BA$39.4B43.
25B$40.4B43.26B$41.4B23.A19.26B$42.4B22.3A12.B.3B.29B$43.4B24.A10.37B
$44.4B10.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD23B.B$45.4B7.3A11.8B3.2B2A9B3D24B2A$46.4B
5.A16.8B.13BDBD22B.B2A$47.4B4.2A15.22BD20B.2B3.B$40.2A6.9B14.15B.2B2.
25B$41.A7.6B14.17B8.21B$41.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.19B11.17B$42.A2.A4.19BD
15B12.16B$43.2AB3.20BDBD4B.7B12.17B$44.14B2A9B3D13B11.17B$45.13B2A11B
D14B11.5B3.7BA$46.29B2.8B14.BA2B3.BA.A.A.A$46.17B.B.2B11.6B13.BABA4.A
.2A.2A.A$47.15B4.3B10.5B14.BABA4.A3.A3.A$47.15B5.A2B.2A7.4B15.BA6.2A
3.2A$48.13B5.A.A2B.A7.3B22.A.A.3A$50.13B2.A.AB2.A9.4B20.2A4.A$49.8B4.
2A.A.A3.A12.2A$49.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A10.A$49.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A10.3A$49.B.B9.
2A.2A2.A2.A.A12.A$50.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$49.B2AB9.A.A$50.2A11.A!

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 11:38 am

thunk wrote:
Gustavo6046 wrote:It [the L112] changes the glider's color.
Exactly. Two wrongs make a right here.
In other words, if you change the glider's color twice, you end up with the original color again. But half the time, to make a syringe connect to your Herschel input, a color-changing conduit is exactly what you need anyway.

You can tell whether a conduit is color-changing or not by looking at the center cell of the input and output Herschels, using Golly. Point at each center cell and look at the coordinates. If they add up to an even number, that's one color. If they add up to an odd number that's the other color. No point in calling the two colors BLACK and WHITE, really, might as well just call them EVEN and ODD.

Anyway, one of the luckiest things about the old 1990's Herschel conduit collection is that there's a color-changing left turn and a color-preserving left turn. if the L156 turn doesn't work, you can try the L112, and vice versa:

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x = 187, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
110.D2C57.D2C$111.C59.C$109.3C57.3C6$35.D2C$36.C$34.3C8$109.2A58.2A
14.D$109.2A58.2A14.2D$184.D.D$100.2A.A56.2A.A$100.A.2A56.A.2A17.D$
118.2A63.D$118.A60.D$D2.D4.D107.A.A11.D2.D.D.D4.D.D36.D$6.D3.D23.2A
80.2A22.D36.D$D2.D21.2A7.2A94.D2.D45.D$10.D15.A74.A38.D20.A13.D$D2.D
4.D17.A.A72.3A26.D2.D.D6.D18.3A13.D$21.2A4.2A63.A11.A32.D2.D3.D7.A11.
A8.D$D2.D2.D15.A20.2A47.3A8.2A14.A10.D21.3A8.2A10.D3.A$22.A.A18.A51.A
22.A.A16.D2.D3.D10.A15.D6.A.A$D2.D2.D.D.D12.2A16.A.A50.2A23.A10.D2.D.
D6.D11.2A17.D5.A$41.2A3$176.2A$176.A.A$178.A$23.E69.E20.2A37.E24.2A$
23.E.E67.E.E18.A.A36.E.E18.2A$23.3E67.3E20.A36.3E18.A$25.E69.E11.2A7.
2A37.E11.2A6.3A$107.A11.D47.A9.A$35.2A71.3A57.3A$35.2A2.2A69.A7.D2.D
48.A$39.A.A$16.2A23.A44.2A32.D2.D22.2A$17.A23.2A44.A59.A$14.3A67.3A
35.D21.3A$14.A69.A59.A!
Gustavo6046 wrote:it is proven that the record will not be beaten with that reaction.
Sorry to put you through all this, but it seems like you're getting some really good practice at stringing these conduits together. This one looks really good again... but now just try both of the above left turns, connected directly to the Bx167, post both of the results, and test to see which one gives you the right color signal.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 12:15 pm

In fact we're close.
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 12:21 pm

dvgrn wrote:
Gustavo6046 wrote:it is proven that the record will not be beaten with that reaction.
Sorry to put you through all this, but it seems like you're getting some really good practice at stringing these conduits together. This one looks really good again...
I should have said: really good in terms of trying new things, and not getting stuck on one idea. Also there finally aren't any big loops with Snarks that use up a lot of time for no reason. The two Snarks in this last pattern are just where they need to be to make the connection -- there's no way to optimize them.

There are two little things wrong with the pattern, both having to do with the Bx167 conduit at the top. Its two output gliders are out of control, but it's easy to fix with eaters -- one fishhook, and one tub-with-tail eater, as I mentioned.

But you don't have to worry about fixing that version -- save the fixes for the record breaker. Suppose your LWSS->G circuit didn't use any Snarks at all. Could the connection still be made? You still have a degree of freedom to play with, moving the Snark closer or farther away from the LWSS+boat collision point.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 1:29 pm

I never used an Eater 5, much less as highway robber.
While remaking the conduit I found this strange still life:

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x = 8, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$3b3obo$2bo4bo$bob4o$bo$2ob4o$3bo2bo$3bobo$4bo!
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 2:00 pm

This is weirdly being destroyed;

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x = 133, y = 89, rule = LifeHistory
84.2A$68.2A14.A$57.2A8.B2AB10.BA.A$55.2B2AB7.4B7.2B.B2A$55.4B8.4B6.5B
$48.2A5.6B5.5B4.7B4.2A$47.B2AB2.2B.8B.7B3.7B5.A$48.2B2.22B.7B2.3A$49.
35BA$47.36B$46.2B2A32B$45.3B2A32B$46.35B.B.2A3.2A$46.38BA.A.A.A$45.7B
.30B.B.A.A$45.6B.4B2.B3.23B2A.2A$46.9B2.3B3.21B.B$46.8B3.B2AB3.20B$
45.8B5.2A5.4B.13B$36.A8.7B14.4B.11B29.2A4.2B$36.3A6.6B16.18B26.A.A2.
5B$34.2A3.A4.2B3D2B17.17B27.2A8B$33.A.A2.2A4.4BD2B18.16B28.B.7B$34.A
3.4B.4B3DB19.15B29.B.6B$40.11B20.6B.7B28.5BA2B$32.5A2.12B21.4B3.6B10.
2A15.5BABAB$31.A4.A2.12B22.4B2.6B9.B2AB6.A8.4BABAB$27.2A.A.BAB4.11B
24.4B2.5B9.3B5.3A8.5BAB$27.2A.A.2AB5.7B10.2A16.4B.5B10.B.B3.A6.2A3.6B
.3B$30.A.4BA3.8B9.A18.9B8.6B2.2A3.2B2AB2.13B$27.2A.A3.BABA2.10B4.BA.A
19.8B8.10B3.4B4.B.10B$27.2A.2A2.A2BA.14B.B2A21.7B5.11B4.4B6.14B$35.2A
18B24.4BDB4.12B4.5B5.14B$37.18B25.2B3D2.13B5.7B2.16B$37.18B26.D2BD15B
2.28B$37.17B24.2B.2B3D44B$37.14B26.2A4BD44B$39.12B26.2AB.2B3D42B$40.
3B.7B27.B2.47B$43.5BD4B27.5B3.40B.B$D2BD43BDBD3B27.4B8.40B$.3BD42B2D
4B27.2B2AB8.15BD23B$D3BD48B25.2AB.2A10.7B.4BDBD22B2A$.4D47B25.A.AB13.
6B2.4B3D20B.B2A$.51B25.A15.6B3.4BD21B3.B$42.10B24.2A15.4B6.21B$42.9B
42.2B2AB6.21B$43.3BD2B42.2AB.2A6.22B$43.BDBD2B41.A.AB9.12BD10B$45.2D
2B41.A12.11B3D9B$89.2A4.2A5.11B2D2BD9B$94.B2AB3.21B.B.B2A$95.2B3.8B2.
9B3.2B.BA.A$94.2B3.8B4.7B3.3B4.A$93.BA2B.8B6.12B4.2A$93.A.A9B7.11B$
94.A.8B8.10B$91.3A.8B8.10B.B$91.A2.8B10.8B.2BA$96.B2A2B10.11BA.A$96.A
BAB4.B6.10B.BA$96.A2B4.3B.14B$90.5B2AB4.2A17B$89.8B5.2A16B$88.B2A5B7.
B.15B$89.A.A.2B12.13B$90.A5B3.B9.12B$92.5B.3B11.9B$92.5B.5B9.9B$91.
13B5.2B.8B$91.13B4.13B$92.13B.15B$92.29B$93.26B.B2A$93.26B.BA.A$94.7B
2A16B4.A$94.3BE3B2A18B2.2A$95.B3E22B$95.E2B2E21B$95.25B$94.24B$94.8B.
4B2.B.9B$95.6B.4B4.4B4.2A$95.10B4.B2A2B4.A$97.7B6.2A7.3A$97.6B18.A$
98.4B$97.4B$96.4B!
also

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x = 24, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
3.E$4.E$2.3E5$18.E.E$18.2E$19.E$11.2E$11.2E4$2E$.2E18.2E$E20.E.E$21.E
!
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 2:14 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:This is weirdly being destroyed...
Yeah, don't try to use that first conduit -- it's not quite compatible with the one you're connecting it to, or at least not with that variant of it. See how a glider shows up early on, and happens to get caught and turned into a boat?

If you got rid of that boat, the eater would work, and then you'd get a little bit farther.

Then you found a solution for your G4 eater problem, but it doesn't look like it quite fits in the space you have.

But the worst problem is that it's very difficult to connect anything at all to the input B-heptomino for that first conduit. Most output B's don't fit, for one reason or another.

So just avoid that conduit altogether -- it's poison. You really only need ones that I've already posted, anyway.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 2:23 pm

I don't understand the HF2P conduit's markings. They are just cluttered!
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 2:35 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:I don't understand the HF2P conduit's markings. They are just cluttered!
Yeah, that's kind of a tricky one. This should help:

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x = 24, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
D3.D.5D2.3D2.4D$D3.D.D5.D3.D.D3.D$D3.D.D9.D.D3.D$5D.3D6.D2.4D$D3.D.D
7.D3.D$D3.D.D6.D4.D$D3.D.D5.5D.D10$2A13.2A$2A13.2A2$4A11.4A$A3.A10.A
3.A$2.B2A12.B2A$2.2B13.2B$.BC2B11.BD2B$3B2C2B8.3B2D2B$.3B2C3D7.3B2D3E
$2.2B.BCBD8.2B.BDBE$.5C3D7.5D3E$.3BCB10.3BDB!
The signal interacts with the catalyst a few ticks before it actually becomes a Herschel, so the pattern shown there is what it looks like 6 ticks before the Herschel. Add two more ticks after those 6, and you get a pi out.

Again, though, you can't use that for most connections. It only works in special cases, because the pi comes out very close to the catalyst and will destroy it unless another catalyst interrupts the pi explosion pretty quickly.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 2:42 pm

Yea I didn't use it here.

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x = 175, y = 136, rule = LifeHistory
165.2A$149.2A14.A$138.2A8.B2AB10.BA.A$136.2B2AB7.4B7.2B.B2A$136.4B8.
4B6.5B$129.2A5.6B5.5B4.7B$128.B2AB2.2B.8B.7B3.7B$129.2B2.22B.7B2.2A.A
$130.35BA.2A$128.36B$76.2A49.2B2A32B$75.A2.A47.3B2A32B$71.A3.3A49.35B
.B.2A2.2A$61.2A7.A.A54.38BA.A2.A$59.2B2AB6.A.A2.3A48.7B.30B.B.A.A$59.
4B8.2A.A3.A47.6B.4B2.B3.23B2A.2A$52.3B3.4B12.5A48.9B2.3B3.21B.B$50.5B
4.4B8.2A54.8B3.B2AB3.20B$50.14B6.A2.3A.2A46.9B5.2A5.4B.13B$50.14B5.B
2A3.A.2A37.A8.8B10.B3.2B3.11B$48.16B3.5B3.A40.3A6.7B10.2AB.3B3.14B$
48.16B.5B3.3A43.A4.3B3D2B10.2A3BA4.15B$48.22B2.A24.2A19.2A4.5BD2B11.B
.BA.A4.14B$47.23B3.3A6.2A13.A16.2A2.4B.5B3DB14.BA.A5.12B$40.3B4.24B4.
A4.2B2AB9.BA.A16.A5.12B17.A6.2B.4B3DB$39.7B.24B5.3B.4B6.3B.B2A19.A2.
13B17.2A9.4BD2B$39.5B2AB.23B4.11B2.7B20.2A2.13B28.2B3D2B$38.5BA2BA25B
.22B20.B3.12B30.6B$38.6B2A23BD24B19.3B4.7B34.6B$39.29BD26B16.6B3.8B
33.6B$40.2B.6B.17B2D28B11.10B2.9B33.5B$40.B.8B2.16B2D30B2.2B3.23B32.
6B$39.2AB.6B4.16BD26BD15B2A16B.B29.6B$38.A.A3.B8.36B.4BDBD15B2A17B2A
28.7B$38.2A12.36B2.4B3D34B2A29.6B$48.B3.20B4.4B.7B2.4BD37B30.6B$47.2A
B.20B6.2B2.6B4.36B2.5B28.6B6.A$47.2A11B3D8B10.6B11.4B5.9B5.5B6.2A27.
8B3.3A$48.14BD9B11.3B13.3B5.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A22.B5.8B2.A$48.13B3D9B8.7B
12.4B15.2A12.3A18.3B4.8B.B2A$50.24B7.2A.B.2A14.2A16.A14.A16.5B3.13B$
45.2A6.22B7.A3.A15.A14.3A30.8B2.11B$46.A6.12B.10B3.3A5.3A13.3A11.A32.
22B$46.A.AB3.11B5.8B2.A9.A15.A45.23B$47.2AB4.7B9.8B73.23B$49.3B2.8B9.
8B72.22B2A$49.14B9.8B71.22B2A$48.16B9.8B68.2AB.19B.B$45.B.17B.B8.8B
66.A.AB.19B$44.2AB.17B2A8.8B65.A6.10B.B3.B$44.2A19B2A9.8B63.2A4.10B$
45.2B.18B11.7B68.10B$48.13B2.5B10.6B67.14B$50.10B6.2A11.5B68.14B$50.
9B7.A13.4B68.14B$50.9B8.3A11.3B69.13B$51.8B10.A12.2B71.7B3DB$42.2A7.
11B.6B14.B72.2B.4BD2B$43.A5.22B88.2B3D2B$38.A4.A.AB.23B89.6B$38.3A3.
2AB.6BDBD15B88.7B$41.A4.8BDBD14B89.8B$40.2AB2.9B3D14B90.8B$40.30B91.
8B$42.29B3.B85.6B2.B2A$40.5B2D25B.B2A84.7B.BA.A$40.6BDBD25B2A85.6B4.A
$39.2A6B2D23B.2B86.6B4.2A$39.2A11B.18B90.6B6.A$40.B.9B2.10B.5B91.8B3.
3A$43.9B.10B91.B5.8B2.A$43.5B2A2B.9B91.3B4.8B.B2A$45.3B2AB3.6B91.5B3.
13B$46.6B2.4B91.8B2.11B$46.6B3.2B92.22B$45.7B98.23B$45.6B7.A91.23B$
46.6B4.3A91.22B2A$46.8B.A94.22B2A$45.9BA.A91.2AB.19B.B$36.A8.7B.2BAB
90.A.AB.19B$36.3A6.6B3.2B91.A6.10B.B3.B$34.2A3.A4.2B3D2B2.2B91.2A4.
10B$33.A.A2.2A4.4BD2B.B2AB95.10B$34.A3.4B.4B3DB2.2A95.14B$40.11B100.
14B$32.5A2.12B100.14B$31.A4.A2.12B101.13B$27.2A.A.BAB4.11B106.5B3DB$
27.2A.A.2AB5.7B10.2A97.B.4BD2B$30.A.4BA3.8B9.A100.2B3D2B$27.2A.A3.BAB
A2.10B4.BA.A101.6B$27.2A.2A2.A2BA.14B.B2A102.7B$35.2A18B104.8B$37.18B
105.8B$37.18B105.8B$37.17B105.6B2.B2A$37.14B108.6B2.BA.A$39.12B109.5B
5.A$40.3B.7B109.5B5.2A$43.10B107.5B$D2BD51B104.8B$.3BD50B103.8B$D3BD
49B2A102.9B$.4D47B.B2A102.9B$.51B2.B38.A63.10B$42.10B41.3A29.A31.3B2A
5B$42.9B45.A28.3A28.4B2A5B$43.6B46.2A4.2B25.A22.2A3.11B$43.6B11.D30.B
3.8B24.2A4.2B16.A2.A12B$45.5B11.D27.4B4.7B19.B3.8B12.2A4.2A2.8B$46.3B
DB8.3DB25.6B.9B17.4B4.7B12.A9.7B4.2A$47.3BDB8.4B10.A13.6B.10B15.6B.9B
12.A.AB7.6B4.A$48.3D2B8.4B7.3A12.19B14.6B.10B12.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A$62.4B
5.A14.19B14.19B13.14B.B2A$63.4B4.2A13.17B15.19B14.16B$56.2A6.9B14.15B
16.17B17.14B$57.A7.6B14.17B17.15B17.16B$57.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.22B13.17B
15.18B$58.A2.A4.19BD21B3.2B2.22B11.19B$59.2AB3.20BDBD4B.24BD21B3.2B2.
19B$60.14B2A9B3D4B2.23BDBD4B.24BD6B.7B$61.13B2A11BD4B2.23B3D4B2.23BDB
D4B2.6B$62.29B4.24BD4B2.23B3D4B3.6B$62.17B.4B10.29B4.24BD4B5.4B$63.
15B4.3B10.16B.4B10.29B5.B2A2B$63.15B5.A2B.2A6.12B5.3B12.16B.B2.B13.2A
.B2A$64.13B5.A.A2B.A6.9B6.4B13.12B25.BA.A$66.13B2.A.AB2.A6.11B5.2A15.
9B31.A$65.8B4.2A.A.A3.A8.7B.B2A5.A14.11B30.2A$65.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A8.4B2.
BA.A.3A16.7B.B2A$65.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A6.B2A2B5.A.A20.4B2.BA.A$65.B.B9.2A
.2A2.A2.A.A7.2A7.2A20.B2A2B5.A$66.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A40.2A7.2A$65.B2AB9.A.
A$66.2A11.A!
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 3:16 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:Yea I didn't use it here...
That doesn't quite connect, though -- the output and input gliders don't line up. (I'm sure you know that.)

This is the kind of connection problem that can be solved by a search program -- in particular Hersrch. Have you tried running that yet?

Hersrch will definitely get a record-setting answer for you here, if you set up the problem correctly. I think you don't actually need Hersrch to solve this particular problem, though.
dvgrn wrote:... just try both of the above left turns, connected directly to the Bx167, post both of the results, and test to see which one gives you the right color signal.
It didn't look like you followed this advice -- at least, I didn't see any L conduits connected to your old standard Bx167 plus H-to-boat. That combination was a lot more efficient-looking than this incredibly big slow 90-degree turn conduit that you've put in before the H-to-boat, in this latest attempt.

Again, suppose you have an L112 or an L156 as part of a Herschel conduit, and you attach a syringe at the beginning.

If the input glider turns out to be the wrong color, then all you have to do is switch to the other L conduit, leave everything else the same, and that's guaranteed to fix the glider color problem. You might still need Snarks to bounce the glider around to get to the right place... or you might not!

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 3:32 pm

Any compact LWSS reflector?
EDIT: What about I just use this

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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$obo$bo$2b3o$4bo$9bo$8b2o$8bobo!
and a Silver reflector + some snarks instead of all a complicated circuitry?
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 3:57 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:Any compact LWSS reflector?
No, there's no direct stable *WSS-to-*WSS converter known. It would be very nice to find one (or more), but it turns out to be really difficult, just because of the probabilities.

A very unlikely pattern like an LWSS will not show up very often as the output of a conduit, right? By definition.

So if you're doing a search, the odds are that you'll get hundreds or thousands of successful direct LWSS-to-B or LWSS-to-H or LWSS-to-pi conduits, before you'll see the first LWSS-to-LWSS 90-degree turner.

-- We haven't even seen one direct LWSS-to-anything yet, and we should expect to find hundreds, before the first LWSS-to-LWSS turner shows up! Might not be worth waiting around for

On the other hand, once you finish the LWSS-to-G, you'll be able to connect a G-to-LWSS to it and make the smallest known composite LWSS reflector. Also the smallest known stable LWSS-to-MWSS converter, and any other LWSS-to-X you can think of.

(There's no need to actually build all of those, though -- everyone will know that it's possible, once you have the new LWSS-to-G.)

If you're still having trouble making a really small loop connecting conduits by hand, let's get you started on setting up a Hersrch search that you can run to automatically find the smallest solution.

Here's the base pattern, for the kind of circuit you were doing last, where the starting glider goes straight into a syringe:

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x = 52, y = 58, rule = LifeHistory
34.2A$34.A$32.A.A$32.2A2$24.5B$23.6B$14.A8.6B$14.3A6.6B$12.2A3.A4.2B
3D2B$11.A.A2.2A4.4BD2B$12.A3.4B.4B3DB$18.11B$10.5A2.12B$9.A4.A2.12B$
5.2A.A.BAB4.11B$5.2A.A.2AB5.7B10.2A$8.A.4BA3.8B9.A$5.2A.A3.BABA2.10B
4.BA.A$5.2A.2A2.A2BA.14B.B2A$13.2A18B$15.18B$15.18B$15.17B$15.14B$17.
12B$18.3B.7B$21.5BA4B$D2BD21BABA5B$.3BD20B2A6B$D3BD27B2A$.4D25B.B2A$.
29B2.B$19.11B$20.9B5.A$21.6B5.3A$21.6B4.A$23.5B3.2A$16.2A6.9B14.5B$
17.A7.6B14.7B$17.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.10B$18.A2.A4.19BD6B$19.2AB3.20BDBD
4B$20.14B2A9B3D4B$21.13B2A11BD4B$22.29B$22.17B.4B$23.15B4.3B$23.15B5.
A2B.2A$24.13B5.A.A2B.A$26.13B2.A.AB2.A$25.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$25.6B6.2ABA2.
4A.A$25.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A$25.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$26.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$25.B
2AB9.A.A$26.2A11.A!
With this pattern, the input is a F (forward) Herschel at (46,43). The output is an Rx Herschel at {26,10).

When you've checked these last two sentences and understand exactly where those numbers are coming from, and what the "F" and "Rx" mean, you'll have almost everything you need to set up a Hersrch search script.

If you want to work along these lines, read Hersrch's readme.txt and try to run it yourself, starting with the sample searches -- then come back and ask questions.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 4:07 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:EDIT: What about I just use this

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x = 11, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$obo$bo$2b3o$4bo$9bo$8b2o$8bobo!
and a Silver reflector + some snarks instead of all a complicated circuitry?
Well, it's a good thought, but that would be going off on a wild tangent.

The record-setting LWSS-to-G could be smaller than your "Silver reflector plus some Snarks".

Why catch a glider on a beehive-with-tail, instead of just a plain snake or aircraft carrier or eater or something?

But to answer your question: paste that pattern that you just posted, into one of your working LWSS-to-G circuits, replacing the H-to-boat converter.

Line up the boat so that it's in the same location, and so that the glider has a clear path to get in there so the boat-bit can actually be created.

Now try to hit that with an LWSS, same as before. What happens?

-- Bad things happen. Your beehive-with-tail blows up. You need to keep more space clear around the boat. So that reaction won't work.

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by Gustavo6046 » October 8th, 2015, 4:31 pm

Where I get Hersrch anyway?
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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by dvgrn » October 8th, 2015, 4:46 pm

Gustavo6046 wrote:Where I get Hersrch anyway?
dvgrn wrote:This is the kind of connection problem that can be solved by a search program -- in particular Hersrch. Have you tried running that yet?
Did you try the link?

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Re: Gustavo Ramos Rehermann's patterns

Post by biggiemac » October 8th, 2015, 5:01 pm

Worth noting, Chrome refuses to download the file linked, saying it "is not commonly downloaded and could be dangerous." You can choose 'keep' but it's a little hidden on the side menu.
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