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Re: Philosophy

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » March 21st, 2021, 5:22 am

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Define active. Active is ill-defined from the very beginning.
Good point. I guess I shouldn't even make a distinction between "active" and "passive" as long as there is a choice made whether it be conscious or random. What I'm trying to say is that choices aren't possible at all. With quantum mechanics, there must be some universes (timelines) created every time a quantum choice is made, but for deterministic non-quantum "choices", it doesn't happen. With the timelines we get around the problem of having to choose because we say that every choice has happened.
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What is your opinion on the reason why life exists in the universe?I think that that one is very deep and enjoyable.
From the scientific point of view life's only goal is to dominate the other life and make its next generation and its future. It is also a lucky merger of some random conditions in the universe.However,there could also be other reasons.
For an example, from a religious point of view it can have other reasons.
Thoughts?
I like to look at natural selection as a physical law. So think of it like this: Everything is a replicator, but everything replicates at different degrees. So if we had a machine that could scan an object (near) perfectly, and create copies of that object, the machine would be an environment where the object could replicate. If this sounds very far-fetched to you, this is actually very similar to how viruses replicate. I prefer Richard Dawkins' gene-centered view on evolution where genes are the ones that actually replicate. Life is essentially a shell through which they can make more of themselves. Watch this video to see what I mean.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » March 21st, 2021, 5:26 am

Good points, friend!
I know how viruses replicate.
Do you think that life somehow protects the universe or something like that?
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Re: Philosophy

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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » March 23rd, 2021, 2:38 pm

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Good points, friend!
I know how viruses replicate.
Do you think that life somehow protects the universe or something like that?
I am not actually sure how I got this one,I just felt something like that.
Please discuss a little here or on Discord,it would be enjoyed.
What do you think the happiness is?
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » March 25th, 2021, 3:35 pm

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March 23rd, 2021, 2:38 pm
I am not actually sure how I got this one,I just felt something like that.
Please discuss a little here or on Discord,it would be enjoyed.
What do you think the happiness is?
I used to be for a few months not too long ago a hedonist myself, but then I realized it just doesn't work. It's really hard to deliberately make yourself happy. I'm not saying that being happy is wrong or anything, but happiness takes on many different forms and isn't the only positive feeling out there. Negative feelings can also sometimes be good for one's self. Feelings aren't purely good or bad.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » March 25th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Schiaparelliorbust wrote:
March 25th, 2021, 3:35 pm
{censored} wrote:
March 23rd, 2021, 2:38 pm
I am not actually sure how I got this one,I just felt something like that.
Please discuss a little here or on Discord,it would be enjoyed.What do you think the happiness is?
I used to be for a few months not too long ago a hedonist myself, but then I realized it just doesn't work. It's really hard to deliberately make yourself happy. I'm not saying that being happy is wrong or anything, but happiness takes on many different forms and isn't the only positive feeling out there. Negative feelings can also sometimes be good for one's self. Feelings aren't purely good or bad.
Yes, I also think that hedonism is generally bad,but also that emotions may be somewhat important but not the most important thing. I can say I sacrificed something I loved today for something that I loved less, primarily because I thought it would suit me a little better,but a little bit maybe also just to create a bit of sadness. A little bit of sadness sometimes can be healthy. While the thing that I sacrificed was not anything really all that much important,it still had some impact.
Did you ever did something similar?
Also,what is your opinion on death?What happens to us when we die?I personally doubt that we just disappear forever for various reasons. Do you think that there is something as soul?
Also,is death some kind of liberation from something?I do not think I support the last one,or at least not much. I am somewhat uncertain, however.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » March 26th, 2021, 3:25 am

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March 25th, 2021, 5:33 pm
Did you ever did something similar?
Not sure.
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Also,what is your opinion on death?What happens to us when we die?I personally doubt that we just disappear forever for various reasons. Do you think that there is something as soul?
No. The soul is an entirely supernatural and unobservable entity. Also, investigating the soul leads to strange questions like "When does your soul form?", "Do animals have souls?" or "Do babies aborted at a stage where they could have been born have a soul?". They make no sense whatsoever.

Why do you believe we don't dissapear?
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Also,is death some kind of liberation from something?I do not think I support the last one,or at least not much. I am somewhat uncertain, however.
If you're in physical or psychological pain, it can be. I think I support the right to die as long as there is nothing that can be done to alleviate the situation.

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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » March 26th, 2021, 3:37 am

I have some problems because of whom I cannot now.
I personally do not support that one but they said that soul could be magnetic energy somewhere.
Thoughts?
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » March 26th, 2021, 8:02 am

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I personally do not support that one but they said that soul could be magnetic energy somewhere.
Thoughts?
Are you talking about animal magnetism? That was been debunked over two centuries ago.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » March 26th, 2021, 8:03 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote:
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I personally do not support that one but they said that soul could be magnetic energy somewhere.
Thoughts?
Are you talking about animal magnetism? That was been debunked over two centuries ago.
No,I just heard something similar.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » April 8th, 2021, 12:13 pm

This thread is an excellent example of the battle between the more traditional philosophy that I represent and the logic and scientific one by you, Schiaparelliorbust.
While I look for reasons for life,justice,God and maybe alst happiness you think in a completely incompatible way to me and our battles mostly end in a stalemate.
Do you want to discuss something?
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » April 9th, 2021, 10:35 am

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This thread is an excellent example of the battle between the more traditional philosophy that I represent and the logic and scientific one by you, Schiaparelliorbust.
While I look for reasons for life,justice,God and maybe alst happiness you think in a completely incompatible way to me and our battles mostly end in a stalemate.
Do you want to discuss something?
Well I don't like philosophy to intrude on subjects where science has a definite answer. I don't like it when science invades the realm of philosophy either; for example, some scientists deny the existence of a mind, saying that the brain is all that exists. I disagree with that. But dualism, the idea that the mind is separate from the body, is also definitely wrong. The mind is an emergent phenomenon of the brain. If you'd like to choose what to discuss, I'm okay with that.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » April 9th, 2021, 1:29 pm

Schiaparelliorbust wrote:
April 9th, 2021, 10:35 am
{censored} wrote:
April 8th, 2021, 12:13 pm
This thread is an excellent example of the battle between the more traditional philosophy that I represent and the logic and scientific one by you, Schiaparelliorbust.
While I look for reasons for life,justice,God and maybe alst happiness you think in a completely incompatible way to me and our battles mostly end in a stalemate.
Do you want to discuss something?
Well I don't like philosophy to intrude on subjects where science has a definite answer. I don't like it when science invades the realm of philosophy either; for example, some scientists deny the existence of a mind, saying that the brain is all that exists. I disagree with that. But dualism, the idea that the mind is separate from the body, is also definitely wrong. The mind is an emergent phenomenon of the brain. If you'd like to choose what to discuss, I'm okay with that.
Well,my friend,we do not know everything and probably never will.
I left to you to choose the next topic.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » April 10th, 2021, 8:57 am

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Well,my friend,we do not know everything and probably never will.
I left to you to choose the next topic.
Let's talk about animal rights then. Some philosophers say that the suffering of animals in the wild is wrong and needs to be stopped. According to them, stuff like predation and starvation in nature are morally bad. I do not agree with this view. I think that ecology is beautiful and that animals have evolved for the niche they occupy, thus changing that would be destroying pretty much everything about them.
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Re: Philosophy

Post by {censored} » April 10th, 2021, 9:02 am

Schiaparelliorbust wrote:
April 10th, 2021, 8:57 am
{censored} wrote:
April 9th, 2021, 1:29 pm
Well,my friend,we do not know everything and probably never will.
I left to you to choose the next topic.
Let's talk about animal rights then. Some philosophers say that the suffering of animals in the wild is wrong and needs to be stopped. According to them, stuff like predation and starvation in nature are morally bad. I do not agree with this view. I think that ecology is beautiful and that animals have evolved for the niche they occupy, thus changing that would be destroying pretty much everything about them.
Some animals evolved to eat meat and that is extremely hard to change without brainwashing because they just need meat,proteins and similar.
Also,we need to eat meat or we will lack the vitamin B12.
I agree, however,that pets on the street should be adopted by someone. They can give immense amount of love for caring them and I also heard that having a pet has health benefits.
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Re: Philosophy

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