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OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Naszvadi » January 1st, 2021, 12:10 pm

Follow the rules from 2018!

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Schiaparelliorbust » January 1st, 2021, 12:20 pm

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Naszvadi » January 1st, 2021, 12:43 pm

Quotes ripped from "mispostings"
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I also would like to add these below:
Possibly the following discoveries to be merged to W110-circuitry-et-al related discoveries mentioned earlier:
Remark: I think these lists above strongly need a review, likely merges, splits, joins etc.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Ian07 » January 1st, 2021, 1:03 pm

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by praosylen » January 1st, 2021, 1:08 pm

I would like to nominate Silversmith's likely-construction-universal Generations wire rule here. Additionally it's worth mentioning I was the one who originally found the 5-dot constellation used in FWKnightship's LFoD t^(3/2) growth here.
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by bubblegum » January 1st, 2021, 5:51 pm

Ian07 wrote:
January 1st, 2021, 1:03 pm
(note: why are the two bullet points different shapes?)
Stylistic separation? (I don't know what I'm talking about.)
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by lemon41625 » January 1st, 2021, 8:51 pm

I would like to nominate all new discoveries in HROT such as EDIT:
Also nominating new adjustable ship such as And maybe the new generations gliders (if others agree) too such as the c/5o in /2/3 by Rocknlol
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Naszvadi » January 3rd, 2021, 11:41 am

First of all, it is rather difficult to classify, to categorize results, so I think deadline for nominating from 2020 will be open till 01/March/2021 at least; Because someone "silently" promoted me to an organizer. Implicit meaning: co-organizers are kindly welcome and appreciated due to the large amount of results from 2020.

Other ideas:
  • I suggest quoting someone who mentioned a result earlier if it intersects with a new proposal and likely needs splitting/grouping.
  • Opening post won't be updated with the listings just like in earlier years; a new topic will be opened instead when entries become finalized

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by AforAmpere » January 3rd, 2021, 8:27 pm

lemon41625 wrote:
January 1st, 2021, 8:51 pm
[*] Ship bouncing between 2 ships (WildMyron, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3081&hilit=adjusta ... 00#p101606)
More importantly, and which would be good to mention, these were the first relativistic adjustable spaceships.
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Macbi » January 4th, 2021, 3:13 am

lemon41625 wrote:
January 1st, 2021, 8:51 pm
Also nominating new adjustable ship such as
Link here.

Can I add to that, or nominate separately, my 3-cell adjustable oscillators? They seem more notable to me because they were long awaited in the context of the SOSSP project, and reduced the remaining work in that project to the large but essentially finite computation of checking obo! in every rule.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Hunting » January 4th, 2021, 6:04 am

I nominate LaundryPizza's Life-like failed 1D replicator rule, a gem found in the thoroughly-searched old rulespace.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Hunting » January 9th, 2021, 1:51 am

Naszvadi wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 11:41 am
First of all, it is rather difficult to classify, to categorize results, so I think deadline for nominating from 2020 will be open till 01/March/2021 at least; Because someone "silently" promoted me to an organizer. Implicit meaning: co-organizers are kindly welcome and appreciated due to the large amount of results from 2020.

Other ideas:
  • I suggest quoting someone who mentioned a result earlier if it intersects with a new proposal and likely needs splitting/grouping.
  • Opening post won't be updated with the listings just like in earlier years; a new topic will be opened instead when entries become finalized
I suggest every nomination to include at least a brief introduction, similar to that of POTY.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by bubblegum » January 9th, 2021, 3:54 pm

Naszvadi wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 11:41 am
Implicit meaning: co-organizers are kindly welcome and appreciated due to the large amount of results from 2020.
I can help you organise it (like I did last year, AKA take over the whole thing if you forget). :mrgreen: oh yeah i disabled smilies because 8) gr

Also, mapping out the suggestions (will be updated with later ones too):
1) Replicator that follows the computationally universal 1D rule W110, by iNoMed
2) B2n3/S23-q (LeapLife), a near-Life rule with a diverse array of natural oscillators, p22 and p24 tech, and a tiny knightship, by Hunting
3) Constructed pattern in B2/S0 (Live Free or Die) that grows with a complexity of O(t^(3/2)), by FWKnightship and Aidan F. Pierce
4) Various unit cells:
    -W110 unit cells/stripes/cycles in numerous OT rules, including every B3xx/Syy rule not supporting Life's glider and having a constructed gun. Examples are a W110 unit cell in B2/S0 (Live Free or Die) flying at c orthogonally; a HashLife-friendly W110 unit cell in B3678/S34678 (Day and Night); a W110 unit stripe in B3/S012345678 (Life without Death). By Peter Naszvadi, FWKnightship, Layz Boi and GUYTU6J
    -TC 4-state vN OT rule emulating B2ae3anq/S, demonstrating the power of INT in proofs, by Peter Naszvadi
    -14-state hex OT rule with a 2×2 CGoL unit cell and 4-state hex rule directly simulating CGoL, by Peter Naszvadi
5) Various spaceships including boxes with smaller spaceships pushing them from the inside, right triangles and crosses, by Saka
6) Various knightships in B3678/S34678 (Day and Night), including a growing knightship, by AforAmpere and Adam P. Goucher
7) 304c/11272 Orthogonoid and (700,100)c/72300 Geminoid in B2c3aeij4krtyz5cij6-ak7/S2-ik3-aek4aeiknw5a6ikn7 (Tubular), by cvojan
8) Márta guns, the first guns in B378/S23, by Paul Tooke, Matthias Merzenich and Peter Naszvadi
9) Binary counter one-ended wavestretcher/logarithmically-growing spaceship, by Peter Naszvadi
10) Various spaceships and replicators in R1 OT B0 VN rules, by Peter Naszvadi and Aidan F. Pierce
11) Visualisation of patterns in p5760 unit cell grid, by Peter Naszvadi
12) Replicator emulating the B36/S245 logarithmic replicator, by AforAmpere
13) Spaceship moving at (421,1)c/867, by AforAmpere
14) 1e2-a3-cij4kaijrtz5cnrq/2ce3aejnr4aj5y6a/3 (A Wire-Like World), a universal Generations wiring rule with complex dynamic circuitry and construction capabilities, by silversmith
15) Oscillators and spaceships in HROT rules:
    -Spaceships and oscillators constructed from two circular chequerboards fighting for territory, by lemon41625 and Saka
    -Rocket rules in the cross neighbourhood, by Chris Rowett and Hunting
16) R2,C0,S4-7,9-11,B4,NB (Crystal Chaos), a dynamic HROT rule with a hidden crystal structure that allows for fragile explosions, by muzik
17) R2,C2,S6-11,B9-11,NW0010003330130310333000100 (AlmostLife), a HROT rule very close to Life, resembling an INT rule, by lemon41625
    -W110 unit cell in AlmostLife, the first such HROT cell, by FWKnightship
18) Adjustable ships/oscillators:
    -Mobile ship tracks (diagonal ship bouncing between and slowing down two orthogonal ships), also the first relativistic adjustables, by Arie Paap
    -3-cell adjustable spaceships, proving that an infinite number of spaceship speeds can be achieved with the bare minimum of 3 cells, by Oscar Cunningham
    -3-cell adjustable oscillators, a full set of 12 families, proving that every oscillator period can be reached with maximum 3 cells, by Oscar Cunningham
    -Unusally complex adjustable spaceships, probably the first family to have been discovered rather than constructed, by Saka
19) B378/S2458, a new gem of an OT rule with a failed 1D replicator, by LaundryPizza03
20) New developments in Symbiosis, including a vast array of oscillators and guns, lightspeed signal circuitry and a unique MSM breeder.
21) A class of D&N-like spaceships, replicators and other mobile objects in B01245/S01245 and technology involving them, by MathAndCode

note: the indents are created with four non-breaking spaces in a row
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by praosylen » January 10th, 2021, 12:18 am

bubblegum wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 3:54 pm
a bunch of entries
Thank you so much for doing all this, your effort is so greatly appreciated! A few things:

a) I'm not sure about putting all the HROT discoveries into one nomination, since they're very disparate discoveries and only really unified by the ruleset they occupy. I might suggest making Crystal Chaos and AlmostLife their own individual entries and then combining the checkerboard oscs/ships and the cross rockets into an "oscillators and spaceships in new HROT neighborhoods" entry.

b) Minor suggested edit to the LeapLife entry: "a near-Life rule with a diverse array of natural oscillators, p22 and p24 tech, and a tiny knightship"

c) W110 unit cells: Maybe lead with the idea of W110 unit cells in general and then mention the B2/S0 unit stripe as a specific example?

d) For the "A Wire-Like World" entry, a minor edit/addition suggestion: add "and construction capabilities" before the comma.

e) I hesitate to mention this again, but precedent from POTY seems to suggest I should also be credited in #3, being the discoverer of the 5-dot puffer seed (intended as a subunit for O(t^3/2) growth) on which the growth pattern is based (even though I found it before 2020).

f) For the adjustable ships/oscillators, I'd maybe edit the second sub-entry to read something like "3-cell adjustable spaceships, showing that an infinite number of spaceship speeds can be constructed using only 3 cells in INT rules, the smallest possible amount, by Oscar Cunningham".

Overall I love what you've done with these, thank you so much on behalf of everyone who wants this competition to run promptly and smoothly! These are just suggestions, and don't feel like you have to include any of them if you don't want to...
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by bubblegum » January 10th, 2021, 12:48 am

A for awesome wrote:
January 10th, 2021, 12:18 am
Thank you so much for doing all this, your effort is so greatly appreciated! A few things:

a few things

Overall I love what you've done with these, thank you so much on behalf of everyone who wants this competition to run promptly and smoothly! These are just suggestions, and don't feel like you have to include any of them if you don't want to...
Thank you! (I've put everything you suggested in; <s>cue the suggestion wars! Thought those were specific to wikis… please don't do this</s>)
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Hunting » January 10th, 2021, 1:00 am

A for awesome wrote:
January 10th, 2021, 12:18 am
bubblegum wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 3:54 pm
a bunch of entries
Thank you so much for doing all this, your effort is so greatly appreciated! A few things:

a) I'm not sure about putting all the HROT discoveries into one nomination, since they're very disparate discoveries and only really unified by the ruleset they occupy. I might suggest making Crystal Chaos and AlmostLife their own individual entries and then combining the checkerboard oscs/ships and the cross rockets into an "oscillators and spaceships in new HROT neighborhoods" entry.

b) Minor suggested edit to the LeapLife entry: "a near-Life rule with a diverse array of natural oscillators, p22 and p24 tech, and a tiny knightship"
I might be biased, but I object a) checkerboard oscs/ships were notable patterns, while cross rockets are notable rules without notable patterns, so they should not be combined.

I'd also argue that "Diverse array and periodic tech" is not the point nor the significance of LeapLife. LeapLife is not super earth. I will cover this in a post I will publish later.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by wwei23 » January 14th, 2021, 9:02 pm

Is Symbiosis eligible for nomination? It was devised in 2017 but the vast majority of the actual developments were done in 2019.
EDIT: I mean 2020.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by silversmith » January 15th, 2021, 10:57 am

I would think "Symbiosis" the rule is not eligible, while any discoveries/development from 2020 is. For example the drifter signals or quadratic growth seem eligible for nomination.
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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Hunting » January 18th, 2021, 12:46 am

silversmith wrote:
January 15th, 2021, 10:57 am
I would think "Symbiosis" the rule is not eligible, while any discoveries/development from 2020 is. For example the drifter signals or quadratic growth seem eligible for nomination.
They can have a collective nomination: "Symbiosis development in 2020, including..." especially nice if an article could be published, featuring the developments for those who didn't bother going through the suddenly-long Symbiosis thread, similar to what I'm gonna do for LeapLife.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by wwei23 » January 18th, 2021, 9:52 am

One of the drifter signals was found in 2017, but no one realized that it was a drifter signal until 2020 though.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Naszvadi » January 25th, 2021, 3:52 pm

bubblegum wrote:
January 9th, 2021, 3:54 pm
Naszvadi wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 11:41 am
Implicit meaning: co-organizers are kindly welcome and appreciated due to the large amount of results from 2020.
I can help you organise it (like I did last year, AKA take over the whole thing if you forget). :mrgreen: oh yeah i disabled smilies because 8) gr

Also, mapping out the suggestions (will be updated with later ones too):
1) Replicators that follow the computationally universal 1D rule W110, by iNoMed and AforAmpere
2) B2n3/S23-q (LeapLife), a near-Life rule with a diverse array of natural oscillators, p22 and p24 tech, and a tiny knightship, by Hunting
3) Constructed pattern in B2/S0 (Live Free or Die) that grows with a complexity of O(t^(3/2)), by FWKnightship and Aidan F. Pierce
4) W110 unit cells/stripes/cycles in numerous OT rules, for example a W110 unit cell in B2/S0 (Live Free or Die) flying at c orthogonally, by Peter Naszvadi, FWKnightship, Layz Boi and GUYTU6J
5) Various spaceships including boxes with smaller spaceships pushing them from the inside, right triangles and crosses, by Saka
6) Various knightships in B3678/S34678 (Day and Night), including a growing knightship, by AforAmpere and Adam P. Goucher
7) 304c/11272 Orthogonoid and (700,100)c/72300 Geminoid in B2c3aeij4krtyz5cij6-ak7/S2-ik3-aek4aeiknw5a6ikn7 (Tubular), by cvojan
8) Márta guns, the first guns in B378/S23, by Peter Naszvadi
9) Binary counter one-ended wavestretcher/logarithmically-growing spaceshsip, by Peter Naszvadi
10) Various spaceships and replicators in R1 OT B0 VN rules, by Peter Naszvadi and Aidan F. Pierce
11) Visualisation of patterns in p5760 unit cell grid, by Peter Naszvadi
12) Replicator emulating the B36/S245 logarithmic replicator, by AforAmpere
13) Spaceship moving at (421,1)c/867, by AforAmpere
14) 1e2-a3-cij4kaijrtz5cnrq/2ce3aejnr4aj5y6a/3 (A Wire-Like World), a universal Generations wiring rule with complex dynamic circuitry and construction capabilities, by silversmith
15) Oscillators and spaceships in HROT rules:
    -Spaceships and oscillators constructed from two circular chequerboards fighting for territory, by lemon41625 and Saka
    -Rocket rules in the cross neighbourhood, by Chris Rowett and Hunting
16) R2,C0,S4-7,9-11,B4,NB (Crystal Chaos), a dynamic HROT rule with a hidden crystal structure that allows for fragile explosions, by muzik
17) R2,C2,S6-11,B9-11,NW0010003330130310333000100 (AlmostLife), a HROT rule very close to Life, resembling an INT rule, by lemon41625
    -W110 unit cell in AlmostLife, the first such HROT cell, by FWKnightship
18) Adjustable ships/oscillators:
    -Mobile ship tracks (diagonal ship bouncing between and slowing down two orthogonal ships), also the first relativistic adjustables, by Arie Paap
    -3-cell adjustable spaceships, proving that an infinite number of spaceship speeds can be achieved with the bare minimum of 3 cells, by Oscar Cunningham
    -3-cell adjustable oscillators, a full set of 12 families, proving that every oscillator period can be reached with maximum 3 cells, by Oscar Cunningham
19) B378/S2458, a new gem of an OT rule with a failed 1D replicator, by LaundryPizza03
20) New developments in Symbiosis, including a vast array of oscillators and guns, lightspeed signal circuitry and a unique MSM breeder.

note: the indents are created with four non-breaking spaces in a row

Quoting of full fancy list happened. Hunting, wwei23 and silversmith made remarks after this excellent list, to be checked and merged(?) their proposals. I verified with some scripts the links, and found all 20 entries are valid, except in the first entry - AforAmpere's discovery belongs to 2021 - if it is approved by the discoverer - I saw 2021-01-02 as pub. date. - still one of the coolest pattern ever tough /me biased

Cherry-picking some more mentionable rules as "trophies" in "entry [4]"'s description would be nice! And I still would like to nominate XOR merge to "entry [4]" three rules - two constructed rules that emulate CGoL - a 4-state hexagonal and a 14-state outer-totalistic hexagonal rule, and a 4-state vonNeumann one, see them here :
Naszvadi wrote:
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... ...
The entry title should be something like this: Minimal state Totalistic/OT/asymmetric hextile-CA that simulates CGoL with small unit cell or there is an injective transition-function-morph mapping to its cellstates (meaning "1x1 sized unit cell") This also would be a fun challenge to minimize number of states per symmetries in the future!

I also agree with A for awesome's c) and e) points, so for example, the puffer seed key reaction link to "entry [3]" should be added too: Typo:
s/shsip/ship/g in "entry [9]"

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by bubblegum » January 26th, 2021, 3:24 pm

Okay, put those in. (The list is slowly being dominated by you :D)

If anybody who contributed to one of the items wants to be credited, just tell me here or ping me on the Discord.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Naszvadi » January 27th, 2021, 5:02 am

bubblegum wrote:
January 26th, 2021, 3:24 pm
Okay, put those in. (The list is slowly being dominated by you :D)
Hahah, hope not! :)
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January 26th, 2021, 3:24 pm
If anybody who contributed to one of the items wants to be credited, just tell me here or ping me on the Discord.
OK, For entry No.8 - Paul Tooke published 9c/28 ship synth earlier and Sokwe found colour/path changing/preserving glider turner oscillators I used in the gun. Both discoveries are from many years before, but the gun strictly depends on them.

My remarks on other entries related to W110/Turing (in)completeness mania: Definiately mentionable that even FWKnightship's rosary Rule-110 unit cell simulations - so-called cycles, which emulate W110 on consecutice glider streams "has the same strength" as unit cells when simulating infinite W110 rule patterns that periodic excluding a finite area! Why? Because in most cases infinite daisy chains can be constructed via feeding each heads' input with an others' output! This is a trivial observation and only needs to know that in every such known pattern, there is at least one right angle glider turner.

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Hunting » February 22nd, 2021, 9:47 am

Naszvadi wrote:
January 27th, 2021, 5:02 am
bubblegum wrote:
January 26th, 2021, 3:24 pm
Okay, put those in. (The list is slowly being dominated by you :D)
Hahah, hope not! :)
bubblegum wrote:
January 26th, 2021, 3:24 pm
If anybody who contributed to one of the items wants to be credited, just tell me here or ping me on the Discord.
OK, For entry No.8 - Paul Tooke published 9c/28 ship synth earlier and Sokwe found colour/path changing/preserving glider turner oscillators I used in the gun. Both discoveries are from many years before, but the gun strictly depends on them.

My remarks on other entries related to W110/Turing (in)completeness mania: Definiately mentionable that even FWKnightship's rosary Rule-110 unit cell simulations - so-called cycles, which emulate W110 on consecutice glider streams "has the same strength" as unit cells when simulating infinite W110 rule patterns that periodic excluding a finite area! Why? Because in most cases infinite daisy chains can be constructed via feeding each heads' input with an others' output! This is a trivial observation and only needs to know that in every such known pattern, there is at least one right angle glider turner.
May I request replacing the description of LeapLife with a link to my recent post in General Discussions?

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Re: OCA DOTY 2020

Post by Naszvadi » February 22nd, 2021, 6:51 pm

Hunting wrote:
February 22nd, 2021, 9:47 am
Naszvadi wrote:
January 27th, 2021, 5:02 am
May I request replacing the description of LeapLife with a link to my recent post in General Discussions?
Do you mean replacing this:
2) B2n3/S23-q (LeapLife), a near-Life rule with a diverse array of natural oscillators, p22 and p24 tech, and a tiny knightship, by Hunting
to this:
Still needs some sentences but not more than 2-3, as it was proposed by Sokwe in the PotY 2020 Nomination Thread. A summarizing entry seems to be a good idea due that even native English speakers find challenging summarizing, text compression, sorting on relevance and importance. IMHO for certain rules like LeapLife, if it had a dedicated topic, a summary post would be fine - not necessarily the opening post in order to avoid mess.

We should learn a lot from CGoL PotY 2020 organizers, so some thumbs rules are:
  • Two lists of candidates: one with some sentences detailed, one with shortened descriptions / some words per entry - cherry-picking on importance
  • At most two URLs per candidates, preferably one if possible
  • Less is more!
  • Before starting vote, a 90+% fulfilled wiki table with candidates here: OCA Discovery of the Year#2020

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