Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

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Axaj
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Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » March 24th, 2010, 6:29 pm

This is my favorite extension of WireWorld. Here is my first (nontrivial) pattern: a 1-line code rewriter.

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x = 40, y = 69, rule = WWEJ3
36.D$35.3C$20.3C.3C3.3C.C.D.C$20.C.C.C.C2.C3.C2.C.C$20.C.C.C.C2.2C.6C
$16.3C.C.C.C.C3.C2.C2.C$15.C2.C.C.C.C.C3.C.3C2.C$4.4C4.2C2.C.C.C.C.C.
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10.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C
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C$21.C$21.C$21.C$21.C!
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by mvr » April 13th, 2010, 9:40 pm

I was curious about what would happen in a random soup in this rule.

A lot of the time, you end up with rainbow ladders that bounce around debris:

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x = 3, y = 2, rule = WWEJ3
BCD$.K!
Sometimes you get patterns like the following, which balloon around but usually end up being destroyed:

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = WWEJ3
N3.C$.H.C$C.C!
Do you think one of these ballooning patterns could eventually re-create itself to become an oscillator or a spaceship?

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by mvr » April 13th, 2010, 10:02 pm

Looks like the answer is yes! Here's a spaceship:

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x = 19, y = 12, rule = WWEJ3
7.O3.O$7.NO.ON$6.H5.H$5.C.C.C.C.C$4.C.C.C.C.C.C$3.C3.C3.C3.C$2.C.C.C.
C.C.C.C.C$.C15.C$C17.C$.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$2.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$9.N!
There are a couple of asymmetrical variations, some that produce lots of smoke.

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » April 14th, 2010, 8:17 pm

I am amazed that this rule has spaceships in it! I'm working on constructing it, but meanwhile, here are two non-destructive receivers (however, the readers get destroyed):

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x = 38, y = 22, rule = WWEJ3
19C6$24.O3.O$24.NO.ON$17C6.H5.H$22.C.C.C.C.C$21.C.C.C.C.C.C$20.C3.C3.
C3.C$19.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$18.C15.C$17.C17.C$18.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$19.C.C
.C.C.C.C.C.C$16.N9.N9.N$15.C21.C$16.N3.N11.N3.N$17.C.C13.C.C$18.C15.C
!
Here is a destructive reader:

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x = 38, y = 18, rule = WWEJ3
23C3$24.H3.H$23.C.N.N.C$22.C2.O.O2.C$21.C.C5.C.C$20.C3.C3.C3.C$19.C.C
.C.C.C.C.C.C$19.O.O.O.O.O.O.O.O$18.ON.N.N.N.N.N.N.NO$19.O.O.O.O.O.O.O
.O$35.N$18.N7.C9.C$19.C5.N.N5.N.N.C$16.N3.C11.C3.C$17.C.C13.C.C$18.C
15.C!
Also, here is an interesting oblique-arm spaceship:

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x = 44, y = 41, rule = WWEJ3
9.H3.H$8.C.N.N.C$7.C2.O.O2.C$6.C.C5.C.C$5.C3.C3.C4.O$4.C.C.C.C.C.C2.O
N$4.O.O.O.O.O.O.O2.H$3.ON.N.N.N.N.N.N3.C$4.O.O.O.O.O2.H.H.C.C$2.N15.C
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C19.H$4.C21.C$25.C.C$24.N3.C$27.C.C$22.N.N.C$23.C.C4.O$24.C.C3.N$25.C
3.H.H$26.CON3.C$29.H.C.C$30.C3.C$31.C.C.C$32.C$33.C2.O$35.ON$37.H$38.
C$37.C.C$36.N3.C$39.C.C$34.N.N.C$35.C.C4.O$36.C.C3.NO$37.C3.H$38.CON$
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by calcyman » April 15th, 2010, 1:25 pm

I am amazed that this rule has spaceships in it!
Quite the reverse -- I have created von Neumann replicators in Tennant's first edition of Wire World Extensible, and a WWEJ3 variant could easily clean up after itself, thereby creating a very slow-moving spaceship with a very high period. The same is true of Life, but it is much easier to make a replicator in WWEJ3.

One of my replicators has a 64-layer tape, instead of a single one-dimensional tape, thereby significantly reducing the bounding box.
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » April 15th, 2010, 9:00 pm

calcyman wrote:
I am amazed that this rule has spaceships in it!
Quite the reverse -- I have created von Neumann replicators in Tennant's first edition of Wire World Extensible, and a WWEJ3 variant could easily clean up after itself, thereby creating a very slow-moving spaceship with a very high period. The same is true of Life, but it is much easier to make a replicator in WWEJ3.

One of my replicators has a 64-layer tape, instead of a single one-dimensional tape, thereby significantly reducing the bounding box.
Ah, so you made the WWE2 replicators? And I meant small, fast, and low period spaceships.
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by mvr » April 15th, 2010, 9:16 pm

An extensible pyramid spaceship? They puff for a bit before settling down.

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x = 39, y = 23, rule = WWEJ3
17.O3.O$17.NO.ON$16.H5.H$15.C.C.C.C.C$14.C.C.C.C.C.C$13.C3.C3.C3.C$
12.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C2$11.O3.O3.O3.O3.O$11.N3.N3.N3.N3.N$10.H.H.H.H.H.H.
H.H.H.H$9.C3.C3.C3.C3.C3.C$8.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$7.C3.C3.C3.C3.C
3.C3.C$6.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C2$5.O3.O3.O3.O3.O3.O3.O3.O$5.N3.N
3.N3.N3.N3.N3.N3.N$4.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H$3.C3.C3.C3.C3.C
3.C3.C3.C3.C$2.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$.C3.C3.C3.C3.C3.C
3.C3.C3.C3.C$C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C!

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » April 15th, 2010, 9:30 pm

mvr wrote:An extensible pyramid spaceship? They puff for a bit before settling down.

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x = 39, y = 23, rule = WWEJ3
17.O3.O$17.NO.ON$16.H5.H$15.C.C.C.C.C$14.C.C.C.C.C.C$13.C3.C3.C3.C$
12.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C2$11.O3.O3.O3.O3.O$11.N3.N3.N3.N3.N$10.H.H.H.H.H.H.
H.H.H.H$9.C3.C3.C3.C3.C3.C$8.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$7.C3.C3.C3.C3.C
3.C3.C$6.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C2$5.O3.O3.O3.O3.O3.O3.O3.O$5.N3.N
3.N3.N3.N3.N3.N3.N$4.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H.H$3.C3.C3.C3.C3.C
3.C3.C3.C3.C$2.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$.C3.C3.C3.C3.C3.C
3.C3.C3.C3.C$C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C.C!
These can be easily extended further.
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by calcyman » April 16th, 2010, 7:09 am

The 64-layer replicator was in WWE, not WWE2.
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » April 16th, 2010, 10:48 am

calcyman wrote:The 64-layer replicator was in WWE, not WWE2.
My mistake, you are correct.
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by mvr » April 27th, 2010, 9:53 pm

These are no use to anyone, but they're sure fun to fiddle with.

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x = 49, y = 13, rule = WWEJ3
5.O3.O$5.NO.ON$4.H5.H9.O3.O$3.C.C.C.C.C8.NO.ON$2.C.C.C.C.C.C6.H5.H$.C
11.C4.C.C.C.C.C$C11.C.C2.C.C.C.C.C.C$.C.C.C.C.N.N4.H11.C12.O3.O$2.C.C
.C.C4.O.N11.C.C11.NO.ON$12.ONO.H.C.C.C.N.N3.C9.H5.H$13.O3.C.C.C.C4.O
2.C7.C.C.C.C.C$27.ONOC7.C.C.C.C.C.C$28.O!

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by ssaamm » August 12th, 2010, 5:48 pm

Here is a spacefiller that works totally differently than the other

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x = 7, y = 6, rule = WWEJ3
.CFBCL$B5.B$I5.C$C5.K$B5.B$.KCBLC!
EDIT:
and one more, much smaller

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = WWEJ3
.KCBLC$B5.B$C5.K$F5.C$.B2CLB!
EDIT2:
one more!

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x = 13, y = 11, rule = WWEJ3
2.C$2.C$2.2CBJCBK4C$2.L7.B$2.B7.F$2.C7.C$2.F7.B$2.B7.L$4CKBCJB2C$10.C
$10.C!
EDIT3:
geez one more

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x = 13, y = 11, rule = WWEJ3
2.C$2.C$2.2CBICBK4C$2.L7.B$2.B7.F$2.C7.C$2.F7.B$2.B7.L$4CKBCIB2C$10.C
$10.C!

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Awesomeness » September 16th, 2010, 6:06 pm

I only have 1 and 2, where do you get 3?

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » September 16th, 2010, 6:24 pm

Awesomeness wrote:I only have 1 and 2, where do you get 3?
It should be on the RTR (Rule Table Repository).
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Awesomeness » September 19th, 2010, 4:37 pm

1 and 2 are.

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by knightlife » September 19th, 2010, 8:54 pm

All three versions of WWE are here.

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by alan2here » October 5th, 2010, 5:07 pm

wow :¬) this is an unintended use for our rule, they look like Generations or Lifelife patterns, tyvm for the interest.

Do I know everyone in this thread who makes circuits btw?

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Awesomeness » October 6th, 2010, 10:16 pm

Smaller rake:

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x = 32, y = 18, rule = WWEJ3
7.C3.C$6.C.C.C.C$6.O2.C2.O9.C3.C$6.N.C.C.N8.C.C.C.C$5.H.H.C.H.H7.O2.C
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.C.C7.C.C.C14.C$C.C.C5.N.C.C16.C$.C2.O21.C.C.C$3.ONO19.N.C.C$4.O15.C$
19.C.C$18.C3.C$17.C3.C$18.C.C$19.C!
Challenges for pyramid technology:
Replicator
Smallest rake possible
Breeder

EDIT: A whole bunch of spaceships, puffers, and wickstretchers!:

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x = 519, y = 294, rule = WWEJ3
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The puffer that doesn't puff in a straight line by using the wickstretcher technology is interesting.

Wow, I love these spaceships... They have so many possibilities and it's impossible for them to die from the back.

Do you think making a rule that doesn't have any other states but the required ones just for these spaceships would be worthwhile?
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Axaj » October 6th, 2010, 10:44 pm

Awesomeness wrote:Do you think making a rule that doesn't have any other states but the required ones just for these spaceships would be worthwhile?
Not unless there are significant changes; however, a lower state CA with similar principles would be interesting.
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by alan2here » October 7th, 2010, 6:52 am

Axaj, you can probbably make that a bit smaller. It's not quite the same but.

x = 36, y = 93, rule = WWEJ3
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by Awesomeness » October 11th, 2010, 7:24 pm

Aside from logic circuitry, here's two breeders, (which proves possible one of the challenges) and two new spaceships:

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x = 457, y = 27, rule = WWEJ3
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The breeders could be substantially shrunk, I am sure. After over 500,000 generations of chaotic puffing which creates a bunch of spaceships and one additional puffer, it settles into a double-triangle shaped spaceship. The double-triangle spaceship is period 48.

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by MarkJ » October 22nd, 2010, 7:16 am

Hi,

First of all, I'm pleased that our WWEJ3 has become this popular. I don't roam this forum so I usually don't know what's going on here.

I'm also a bit surprised that people are experimenting with our WWEJ3 to the point of finding whole new unorthodox and unintended uses for it. I'm looking forward to more (normal) stuff.

It's nice to know that it is possible, but I'm not thrilled. I mean, if you want spaceships, puffers, non-destructive receivers, rakes, guns, and whatnot, then you might just as well use Life, which has a much better ratio of project-size vs. number of states. We designed WWEJ3 as a mid-way between Life and Neumann. Life has the least amount of states, Neumann is easiest (in some ways). Langton's also has a very small number of states but is very difficult and bulky (ugly).


I looked at all the designs here, and I have some small comments:

I looked at the spacefillers, and I remember similar effects happening to me too. After some circuit accidents, sometimes these spacefillers (rainbow driven or not) might happen accidentally.

ssaamm's Spacefiller 3 is very chaotic and even around gen 6000 it creates 4 antennae on each side which are later destroyed from both ends. Because it is so chaotic, it is very slow in Golly as it can't compress the design well with the hashing algorithm.

In Awesomeness' design above this post, because of the interference between the spaceships, at some time a small spaceship is created in the opposite direction. This one has a very large period (p96), and it is a mirror copy of itself 48 gens ahead:

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x = 17, y = 17, rule = WWEJ3
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calcyman
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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by calcyman » October 22nd, 2010, 11:56 am

Langton's also has a very small number of states but is very difficult and bulky (ugly).
You mean Codd's cellular automaton? If you think that's difficult, be glad you haven't seen Banks-IV! In Banks-IV, construction takes cubic time, compared to linear (for all other rules).
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by alan2here » October 22nd, 2010, 1:26 pm

Thanks Mark, it's good to see you in this thread as well, people can get feedback from us both now, and I agree with what you say.

Although I think of WWEJ3 as being the best of Wireworld and Codd with elements of Neumann.

I'm working on a rule called ships specifically designed for these ships. I'm considering on whether it is worth sacrificing a few of the designs, leaving many still working for a more consistant rule. Then you can get to using WWEJ3 for circuits, replicators etc... You wouldn't want an update to break all your stuff for example.

I wanted to make trivial spacefillers impossible btw, not going to happen it seems but it's much less of a problem than in earler verstions.

Maybe we could tidy things up into two threads later, one for WWEJ3 and one for Ship stuff.

Is it really impossible to create a linear replicator in some of Banks rules or just more complicated?

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Re: Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

Post by calcyman » October 23rd, 2010, 6:19 am

Is it really impossible to create a linear replicator in some of Banks rules or just more complicated?
The way that the construction 'arm' works requires O(n^3) time to create a configuration of n cells.



And, just for the record, please remember to include the pre-nominal 'von' before the 'Neumann'.
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

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