The script creates the ruletable, run it and it should create it as "aaa.rle"unname4798 wrote: ↑August 1st, 2023, 1:35 amRULETABLE please!MEisSCAMMER wrote: ↑July 31st, 2023, 5:21 pmPython:unname4798 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2023, 10:04 amMAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as a ruletable (symmetries: none)That should do itCode: Select all
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THE TRILOGY HAS BEEN COMPLETED
next: quadrilogy??? Is that even a word
next: quadrilogy??? Is that even a word
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
I don't have computer.MEisSCAMMER wrote: ↑August 1st, 2023, 10:37 amThe script creates the ruletable, run it and it should create it as "aaa.rule"
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
could i have some non-totalistic oscillator search programs, and their pros and cons?
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Yes, but I don't know.Naszvadi wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 5:36 amIs there a constructed Life-like reflectorless rotating oscillator in other rule than CGoL?
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Here's one that I found from the forums.Naszvadi wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 5:36 amIs there a constructed Life-like reflectorless rotating oscillator in other rule than CGoL?
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
That one is in an INT rule, rather than Life-like, right?Period1GliderGun wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 8:48 pmHere's one that I found from the forums.Naszvadi wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 5:36 amIs there a constructed Life-like reflectorless rotating oscillator in other rule than CGoL?
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Oops. Forgot my definitions for a minute. However, a lot of known CGoL circuitry works in B38/S23, so it would probably be possible to construct an RRO. I'm not sure about the status of technological advancement in rules farther from Life, such as Morley.confocaloid wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 8:52 pmThat one is in an INT rule, rather than Life-like, right?Period1GliderGun wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 8:48 pmHere's one that I found from the forums.Naszvadi wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 5:36 amIs there a constructed Life-like reflectorless rotating oscillator in other rule than CGoL?
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23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
What is the multi-generation parent of this?
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b2o$obo$2bo6$7bo8bo$5b2ob2o4b2ob2o$7bo8bo2$7bo8bo$5b2ob2o4b2ob2o$7bo8b
o6$2bo18bo$obo18bobo$b2o18b2o!
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If by "the parent of this" you mean "where this pattern comes from", then I saw the mechanism last time in rule's thread viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5718 "B35y/S23 (hatlife)", but it was known years before that: viewtopic.php?p=22861#p22861unname4798 wrote: ↑August 22nd, 2023, 2:42 pmWhat is the parent of this?Code: Select all
x = 24, y = 23, rule = B35y/S23 b2o$obo$2bo6$7bo8bo$5b2ob2o4b2ob2o$7bo8bo2$7bo8bo$5b2ob2o4b2ob2o$7bo8b o6$2bo18bo$obo18bobo$b2o18b2o!
If you mean a parent, then there's no unique parent, but it's naturally rewindable by running it for 51 ticks and deleting two gliders:
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bo$b2o$obo6$6bobo6bobo$6bo2bo4bo2bo$6bobo6bobo2$6bobo6bobo$6bo2bo4bo2b
o$6bobo6bobo6$obo18bobo$b2o18b2o$bo20bo!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
There is only one constructed other than CGoL, but in a B0-rule:Period1GliderGun wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 8:55 pmOops. Forgot my definitions for a minute. However, a lot of known CGoL circuitry works in B38/S23, so it would probably be possible to construct an RRO. I'm not sure about the status of technological advancement in rules farther from Life, such as Morley.confocaloid wrote: ↑August 20th, 2023, 8:52 pmThat one is in an INT rule, rather than Life-like, right?
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19bo2bo3$b3o15b3o$bobo15bobo$b3o15b3o3$o2bo!
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Not unless you count the RRG from Pedestrian Life.
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x = 36, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
23bobo$21bo3bo$13bo7bo$12b4o4bo4bo8b2o$11b2obobo4bo12b2o$2o8b3obo2bo3b
o3bo$2o9b2obobo6bobo$12b4o$13bo!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
Other than B1 and B4+ rules and S01234 rules, what other rulespaces have no possible ships?
What isotropic transitions must a rule have/not have to have spaceships?
What isotropic transitions must a rule have/not have to have spaceships?
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
B1c makes patterns escape from bounding box, but rules off spaceshipsHaycat2009 wrote: ↑August 28th, 2023, 7:38 amOther than B1 and B4+ rules and S01234 rules, what other rulespaces have no possible ships?
What isotropic transitions must a rule have/not have to have spaceships?
With B2c and B2e or B3a and B3i, without B1c, spaceships are possible.
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You can have spaceships in a rule with B1eHaycat2009 wrote: ↑August 28th, 2023, 7:38 amOther than B1 and B4+ rules and S01234 rules, what other rulespaces have no possible ships?
What isotropic transitions must a rule have/not have to have spaceships?
To have a rule with space ships in a rule you need at least one of {B0, B1e, B2a}, or you need at least one of {B2c, B3i} and at least one of {B2e, B3a}. You can find more information about the topic using these links:AforAmpere wrote: ↑April 25th, 2021, 11:50 pm2c/31d B1e SMOS (the first?):5c/28d:Code: Select all
x = 10, y = 10, rule = B1e2ce3ejky4inqt5aj6ack/S1c2-ce3inq4knqt5knqr6k 7b3o$7bobo$8bo5$2o$obo$2o!
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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B1e2ce3jkqy4iknyz5anr6-en8/S1c2-ce3enqy4jkntz5eqr6ek7e 7b3o$7bobo$8bo5$2o$obo$2o!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
So are spaceships in B1c but no B1e rules possible? And can you give me one example each of a spaceship in a B2e+B3a or B2c+B3i rule?silversmith wrote: ↑August 28th, 2023, 8:12 amYou can have spaceships in a rule with B1eHaycat2009 wrote: ↑August 28th, 2023, 7:38 amOther than B1 and B4+ rules and S01234 rules, what other rulespaces have no possible ships?
What isotropic transitions must a rule have/not have to have spaceships?To have a rule with space ships in a rule you need at least one of {B0, B1e, B2a}, or you need at least one of {B2c, B3i} and at least one of {B2e, B3a}. You can find more information about the topic using these links:AforAmpere wrote: ↑April 25th, 2021, 11:50 pm2c/31d B1e SMOS (the first?):5c/28d:Code: Select all
x = 10, y = 10, rule = B1e2ce3ejky4inqt5aj6ack/S1c2-ce3inq4knqt5knqr6k 7b3o$7bobo$8bo5$2o$obo$2o!
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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B1e2ce3jkqy4iknyz5anr6-en8/S1c2-ce3enqy4jkntz5eqr6ek7e 7b3o$7bobo$8bo5$2o$obo$2o!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
1. NoHaycat2009 wrote: ↑August 29th, 2023, 4:21 amSo are spaceships in B1c but no B1e rules possible? And can you give me one example each of a spaceship in a B2e+B3a or B2c+B3i rule?silversmith wrote: ↑August 28th, 2023, 8:12 amYou can have spaceships in a rule with B1eHaycat2009 wrote: ↑August 28th, 2023, 7:38 amOther than B1 and B4+ rules and S01234 rules, what other rulespaces have no possible ships?
What isotropic transitions must a rule have/not have to have spaceships?To have a rule with space ships in a rule you need at least one of {B0, B1e, B2a}, or you need at least one of {B2c, B3i} and at least one of {B2e, B3a}. You can find more information about the topic using these links:AforAmpere wrote: ↑April 25th, 2021, 11:50 pm2c/31d B1e SMOS (the first?):5c/28d:Code: Select all
x = 10, y = 10, rule = B1e2ce3ejky4inqt5aj6ack/S1c2-ce3inq4knqt5knqr6k 7b3o$7bobo$8bo5$2o$obo$2o!
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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B1e2ce3jkqy4iknyz5anr6-en8/S1c2-ce3enqy4jkntz5eqr6ek7e 7b3o$7bobo$8bo5$2o$obo$2o!
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bo$obo$obo!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
I've seen a lot of use of signal loops to prove that all periods exist above the loop mechanism's minimum period. Wouldn't you also need a signal delay mechanism so that some periods aren't skipped?
I wrote a stdin script that generates random soups of a provided number of a given spaceship. It works for all (non-B0) spaceships in the INT rulespace!
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
If the spaceship or signal is symmetric or glide-reflective, we don't need a separate delay because we can make a delay using reflectors.Cyclotrons wrote: ↑August 31st, 2023, 6:41 amI've seen a lot of use of signal loops to prove that all periods exist above the loop mechanism's minimum period. Wouldn't you also need a signal delay mechanism so that some periods aren't skipped?
Consider this dumb reflector:
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x = 29, y = 21, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
20b2o$4b2o14b2o$4b2o2$16b2o9b2o$8b2o6b2o9b2o$8b2o2$2o10b2o9b2o$2o10b2o
2bo6b2o$15bo$15b3o$4b2o13b2o$4b2o13b2o4$9b2o$9b2o$11b2o3b2o$11b2o3b2o!
We shall use it to make a p47, 48, 49 and 50 as a test.
If we string four copies together like so, you get a p20+32n:
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x = 61, y = 61, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
25b2o3b2o$25b2o3b2o$32b2o$32b2o4$22b2o13b2o$22b2o13b2o2$19b2o19b2o$19b
2o8b2o9b2o$29b2o$16b2o25b2o$16b2o8b2o5b2o8b2o$26b2o5b2o$13b2o31b2o$13b
2o8b2o11b2o8b2o$23b2o11b2o$10b2o37b2o$10b2o8b2o17b2o8b2o$20b2o17b2o$7b
2o43b2o$7b2o8b2o23b2o8b2o$17b2o23b2o$59b2o$14b2o29b2o12b2o$2b2o10b2o
29b2o$2b2o$2o46b2o$2o9b2o35b2o9b2o$11b2o46b2o$57b2o$14b2o29b2o10b2o$2o
12b2o29b2o$2o$17b2o23b2o$7b2o8b2o23b2o8b2o$7b2o43b2o$20b2o17b2o$10b2o
8b2o17b2o8b2o$10b2o37b2o$23b2o11b2o$13b2o8b2o11b2o8b2o$13b2o31b2o$26b
2o5b2o$16b2o8b2o5b2o8b2o$16b2o25b2o$30b2o$19b2o9b2o2bo5b2o$19b2o12bo6b
2o$33b3o$22b2o13b2o$22b2o13b2o4$27b2o$27b2o$29b2o3b2o$29b2o3b2o!
Now, if we put 4 gliders in, it becomes p5+8n. 5 and 8 are coprime, but none of 47, 49 and 25 (50/2) is 5 mod 8. How can we make these odd numbers? 47 is 7 mod 8, and 49 and 25 are 1 mod 8. So we can just multiply 49 and 25 by 5 and add 5 times the gliders. For 47, we can do the same thing with 3 instead of 5 (3*7=21=5+2*8). Since we want a p50 loop rather than a p25, we will then halve the gliders of the p25 loop (p25 doesn't work anyway). 49*5=245=5+8*30, corresponding to a base loop of period 4*245=980:
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x = 156, y = 176, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
20$120b2o3b2o$120b2o3b2o$127b2o$127b2o4$117b2o13b2o$117b2o13b2o3$113b
2o9b2o10b2o$113b2o9b2o10b2o2$128b2o$109b2o9b2o6b2o10b2o$109b2o9b2o18b
2o2$132b2o13b2o$105b2o9b2o14b2o13b2o$105b2o9b2o2$136b2o$101b2o9b2o22b
2o9b2o$101b2o9b2o33b2o$145b2o$133b2o10b2o$97b2o9b2o23b2o$97b2o9b2o2$
129b2o9b2o$93b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$93b2o9b2o2$125b2o9b2o$89b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o
$89b2o9b2o2$121b2o9b2o$85b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$85b2o9b2o2$117b2o9b2o$81b2o
9b2o23b2o9b2o$81b2o9b2o2$113b2o9b2o$77b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$77b2o9b2o2$109b
2o9b2o$73b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$73b2o9b2o2$105b2o9b2o$69b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$69b
2o9b2o2$101b2o9b2o$65b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$65b2o9b2o2$97b2o9b2o$61b2o9b2o
23b2o9b2o$61b2o9b2o2$93b2o9b2o$57b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$57b2o9b2o2$89b2o9b2o
$53b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$53b2o9b2o2$85b2o9b2o$49b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$49b2o9b2o
2$81b2o9b2o$45b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$45b2o9b2o2$77b2o9b2o$41b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o
$41b2o9b2o2$73b2o9b2o$37b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$37b2o9b2o2$69b2o9b2o$33b2o9b
2o23b2o9b2o$33b2o9b2o2$65b2o9b2o$29b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$29b2o9b2o2$61b2o9b
2o$25b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$25b2o9b2o2$57b2o9b2o$32b2o23b2o9b2o$20b2o10b2o$
20b2o$18b2o33b2o9b2o$18b2o9b2o22b2o9b2o$29b2o2$49b2o9b2o$18b2o13b2o14b
2o9b2o$18b2o13b2o2$25b2o18b2o9b2o$25b2o10b2o6b2o9b2o$37b2o2$29b2o10b2o
9b2o$29b2o10b2o2bo6b2o$44bo$44b3o$33b2o13b2o$33b2o13b2o4$38b2o$38b2o$
40b2o3b2o$40b2o3b2o!
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x = 149, y = 145, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
12$117b2o3b2o$117b2o3b2o$124b2o$124b2o4$114b2o13b2o$114b2o13b2o$117b3o
$119bo$110b2o6bo2b2o6bo3b2o$110b2o9b2o4bobo3b2o$128b2o$125b2o$106b2o9b
2o6b2o10b2o$106b2o9b2o18b2o2$129b2o13b2o$102b2o9b2o14b2o13b2o$102b2o9b
2o$105b2o$106b2o25b2o4b3o$98b2o5bo3b2o22b2o4bobo2b2o$98b2o9b2o28b2o3b
2o$142b2o$130b2o10b2o$94b2o9b2o23b2o$94b2o9b2o2$126b2o9b2o$90b2o9b2o
23b2o9b2o$90b2o9b2o$93b2o$92bobo27b2o3bobo3b2o$86b2o6bo2b2o23b2o3b2o4b
2o$86b2o9b2o29bo2$118b2o9b2o$82b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$82b2o9b2o2$114b2o9b2o$
78b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$78b2o9b2o$81bo$81b2o27b2o3bo5b2o$74b2o4bobo2b2o23b
2o3bobo3b2o$74b2o9b2o28b2o2$106b2o9b2o$70b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$70b2o9b2o2$
102b2o9b2o$66b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$66b2o9b2o2$68b3o27b2o4bo4b2o$62b2o6bo2b
2o23b2o2b2o5b2o$62b2o5bo3b2o28b2o2$94b2o9b2o$58b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$58b2o
9b2o2$90b2o9b2o$54b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$54b2o9b2o2$56b2o28b2o3bo5b2o$50b2o
5b2o2b2o23b2o2bo6b2o$50b2o4bo4b2o27b3o2$82b2o9b2o$46b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$
46b2o9b2o2$78b2o9b2o$42b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$42b2o9b2o2$44b2o28b2o9b2o$38b
2o3bobo3b2o23b2o2bobo4b2o$38b2o5bo3b2o27b2o$79bo$70b2o9b2o$34b2o9b2o
23b2o9b2o$34b2o9b2o2$66b2o9b2o$30b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$30b2o9b2o2$32bo29b2o
9b2o$26b2o4b2o3b2o23b2o2bo6b2o$26b2o3bobo3b2o27bobo$66b2o$58b2o9b2o$
22b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$22b2o9b2o2$54b2o9b2o$29b2o23b2o9b2o$17b2o10b2o$17b
2o$15b2o3b2o28b2o9b2o$15b2o2bobo4b2o22b2o3bo5b2o$19b3o4b2o25b2o$54b2o$
46b2o9b2o$15b2o13b2o14b2o9b2o$15b2o13b2o2$22b2o18b2o9b2o$22b2o10b2o6b
2o9b2o$34b2o$31b2o$26b2o3bobo4b2o9b2o$26b2o3bo6b2o2bo6b2o$41bo$41b3o$
30b2o13b2o$30b2o13b2o4$35b2o$35b2o$37b2o3b2o$37b2o3b2o!
Code: Select all
x = 159, y = 76, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
4$50b2o3b2o61b2o3b2o$50b2o3b2o61b2o3b2o$57b2o66b2o$57b2o66b2o4$47b2o
13b2o51b2o13b2o$47b2o13b2o51b2o13b2o$118b3o$120bo$43b2o9b2o10b2o43b2o
6bo2b2o5bo4b2o$43b2o9b2o10b2o43b2o9b2o6b2o2b2o$129b2o$58b2o66b2o$39b2o
9b2o6b2o10b2o35b2o9b2o6b2o10b2o$39b2o9b2o18b2o35b2o9b2o18b2o2$62b2o13b
2o51b2o13b2o$35b2o9b2o14b2o13b2o24b2o9b2o14b2o13b2o$35b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o
$106b2o33bo$66b2o37bobo26b2o5b2o$31b2o9b2o22b2o9b2o20b2o6bo2b2o22b2o3b
2obo2b2o$31b2o9b2o33b2o20b2o9b2o28b2o3b2o$75b2o66b2o$63b2o10b2o54b2o
10b2o$27b2o9b2o23b2o30b2o9b2o23b2o$27b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o2$59b2o9b2o55b2o
9b2o$23b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o19b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$23b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o2$55b2o9b
2o25b3o27b2o3bo5b2o$19b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o19b2o6bo2b2o23b2o2bo6b2o$19b2o9b
2o55b2o5bo3b2o27b3o2$51b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o$15b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o19b2o9b2o23b
2o9b2o$15b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o2$47b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o$22b2o23b2o9b2o30b2o23b2o
9b2o$10b2o10b2o54b2o10b2o$10b2o66b2o$8b2o33b2o9b2o20b2o3b2o28b2o9b2o$
8b2o9b2o22b2o9b2o20b2o2bob2o3b2o22b2o2bo6b2o$19b2o59b2o5b2o26bobo$81bo
33b2o$39b2o9b2o55b2o9b2o$8b2o13b2o14b2o9b2o24b2o13b2o14b2o9b2o$8b2o13b
2o51b2o13b2o2$15b2o18b2o9b2o35b2o18b2o9b2o$15b2o10b2o6b2o9b2o35b2o10b
2o6b2o9b2o$27b2o66b2o$92b2o$19b2o10b2o9b2o43b2o2b2o6b2o9b2o$19b2o10b2o
2bo6b2o43b2o4bo5b2o2bo6b2o$34bo67bo$34b3o65b3o$23b2o13b2o51b2o13b2o$
23b2o13b2o51b2o13b2o4$28b2o66b2o$28b2o66b2o$30b2o3b2o61b2o3b2o$30b2o3b
2o61b2o3b2o!
Code: Select all
x = 207, y = 91, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
7$58b2o3b2o$58b2o3b2o106b2o3b2o$65b2o104b2o3b2o$65b2o111b2o$178b2o3$
55b2o13b2o$55b2o13b2o96b2o13b2o$168b2o13b2o$171b3o$51b2o9b2o10b2o97bo
8bo$51b2o9b2o10b2o88b2o6bo2b2o6bo3b2o$164b2o9b2o4b3o3b2o$66b2o$47b2o9b
2o6b2o10b2o99b2o$47b2o9b2o18b2o80b2o9b2o6b2o10b2o$160b2o9b2o18b2o$70b
2o13b2o$43b2o9b2o14b2o13b2o96b2o13b2o$43b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o14b2o13b2o$
156b2o2bo6b2o$74b2o84b2o$39b2o9b2o22b2o9b2o72bobo25b2o4bo$39b2o9b2o33b
2o65b2o9b2o22b2o5b2o2b2o$83b2o67b2o9b2o28b2o3b2o$71b2o10b2o111b2o$35b
2o9b2o23b2o111b2o10b2o$35b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o23b2o$148b2o9b2o$67b2o9b2o$
31b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o$31b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$144b2o2b2o5b
2o27bo$63b2o9b2o71bobo32b2o$27b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o73bo26b2o5b2o2b2o$27b2o
9b2o100b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$140b2o9b2o$59b2o9b2o$23b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o100b2o
9b2o$23b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$136b2o9b2o$55b2o9b2o$19b2o9b2o23b2o
9b2o100b2o9b2o$19b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o$132b2o2b2o5b2o26bo$51b2o9b
2o73b2o32bobo$15b2o9b2o23b2o9b2o72bo27b2o5b2o2b2o$15b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o
23b2o9b2o$128b2o9b2o$47b2o9b2o$22b2o23b2o9b2o100b2o9b2o$10b2o10b2o111b
2o23b2o9b2o$10b2o111b2o10b2o$8b2o33b2o9b2o67b2o$8b2o9b2o22b2o9b2o65b2o
3b2o28b2o9b2o$19b2o100b2o2b2o5b2o22b2o9b2o$127bo4b2o25bobo$39b2o9b2o
107b2o$8b2o13b2o14b2o9b2o100b2o6bo2b2o$8b2o13b2o96b2o13b2o14b2o9b2o$
121b2o13b2o$15b2o18b2o9b2o$15b2o10b2o6b2o9b2o80b2o18b2o9b2o$27b2o99b2o
10b2o6b2o9b2o$140b2o$19b2o10b2o9b2o$19b2o10b2o2bo6b2o88b2o3b3o4b2o9b2o
$34bo97b2o3bo6b2o2bo6b2o$34b3o101bo8bo$23b2o13b2o107b3o$23b2o13b2o96b
2o13b2o$136b2o13b2o3$28b2o$28b2o111b2o$30b2o3b2o104b2o$30b2o3b2o106b2o
3b2o$143b2o3b2o!
Code: Select all
x = 362, y = 170, rule = B3acijn4cjy5cy6an8/S2-n3-ckqy4aw6ci7c8
16$102b2o3b2o198b2o3b2o$102b2o3b2o198b2o3b2o$109b2o203b2o$109b2o203b2o
4$99b2o13b2o188b2o13b2o$99b2o13b2o188b2o13b2o$307bo$307b2o9bo$95b2o9b
2o10b2o180b2o4bobo2b2o3bobo4b2o$95b2o9b2o10b2o180b2o9b2o4b2o4b2o2$110b
2o203b2o$102b2o6b2o10b2o183b2o6b2o10b2o$90b2o10b2o18b2o171b2o10b2o18b
2o$90b2o203b2o$114b2o203b2o$87b2o25b2o10b2o164b2o25b2o10b2o$87b2o37b2o
164b2o5b2o30b2o$100b2o197bobo3b2o$100b2o16b2o13b2o164bo5b2o16b2o5bo7b
2o$118b2o13b2o188b2o3bobo7b2o$87b2o203b2o35b2o$87b2o4b2o197b2o4b2o$93b
2o10b2o15b2o174b2o10b2o15b2o$105b2o15b2o9b2o175b2o15b2o9b2o$74b2o3b2o
26b2o24b2o144b2o3b2o26b2o24b2o$74b2o3b2o15b2o9b2o22b2o146b2o3b2o15b2o
9b2o22b2o$81b2o13b2o21b2o10b2o153b2o13b2o2bo18b2o10b2o$81b2o30b2o4b2o
165b2o17b2o11b2o4b2o$113b2o169bo19bobo11b2o8bo$92b2o13b2o175b2o11b2o
13b2o12b2o$92b2o13b2o17b2o155bobo11b2o13b2o13b2o2b2o$71b2o13b2o38b2o
148b2o13b2o38b2o$71b2o13b2o12b2o11b2o161b2o13b2o12b2o11b2o$100b2o11b2o
190b2o11b2o2$67b2o9b2o36b2o154b2o9b2o36b2o$67b2o9b2o16b2o18b2o10b2o
142b2o9b2o16b2o18b2o10b2o$96b2o11b2o3b2o12b2o4b2o165b2o11b2o3b2o12b2o
4b2o$82b2o25b2o3b2o18b2o151b2o5bo19b2o3b2o18b2o$74b2o6b2o195b2o6b2o4b
3o36bo$62b2o10b2o30b2o13b2o144b2o3bo6b2o12b2o16b2o13b2o2bobo$62b2o27b
2o13b2o13b2o144b2o3b2o22b2o13b2o13b2o3b2o$91b2o41b2o135bobo22b2o41b2o$
59b2o54b2o17b2o128b2o49b2o3b2o17b2o$59b2o22b2o3b2o25b2o147b2o3bo18b2o
3b2o20bobo2b2o$72b2o9b2o3b2o11b2o28b2o134b2o8b2o9b2o3b2o11b2o7bo20b2o$
72b2o27b2o16b2o10b2o135b2o7b2o27b2o16b2o10b2o$119b2o203b2o$59b2o203b2o
$59b2o4b2o30b2o165b2o4b2o30b2o$65b2o10b2o18b2o12b2o13b2o142b2o10b2o18b
2o12b2o7bobo3b2o$77b2o32b2o13b2o150b2o2b2o32b2o7b2o4b2o$46b2o3b2o26b2o
9b2o13b2o144b2o3b2o20bobo3b2o9b2o7bobo3b2o14bo$46b2o3b2o15b2o9b2o9b2o
13b2o144b2o3b2o15b2o3bo2bo2b2o9b2o7b2o4b2o$53b2o13b2o184bo3b2o13b2o7bo
22bo$53b2o61b2o135b3o2b2o20b3o38b2o$101b2o13b2o135b3o50b2o13b2o$64b2o
13b2o9b2o9b2o15b2o3b2o128b3o13b2o13b2o9b2o9b2o15b2o3b2o$64b2o13b2o9b2o
26b2o3b2o144b2o13b2o9b2o26b2o3b2o$43b2o13b2o32b2o154b2o13b2o32b2o$43b
2o13b2o12b2o18b2o10b2o142b2o10bo2b2o12b2o18b2o10b2o$72b2o30b2o4b2o146b
obo9bo6b2o30b2o4b2o$110b2o147b2o9b2o35bo7b2o$39b2o9b2o192b2o3bo5b2o12b
obo33bobo$39b2o9b2o16b2o27b2o145b2o3b2o4b2o16b2o27b2o2b2o$68b2o11b2o3b
2o9b2o149bobo22b2o11b2o3b2o9b2o$54b2o25b2o3b2o22b2o147b2o25b2o3b2o22b
2o$46b2o6b2o54b2o139b2o6b2o28bo25b2o$34b2o10b2o30b2o159b2o10b2o10bo19b
2o3b3o$34b2o27b2o13b2o27b2o130b2o21b3o3b2o13b2o3b3o21b2o$63b2o30b2o10b
2o153b3o3b2o19bo10b2o10b2o$31b2o54b2o6b2o139b2o25bo28b2o6b2o$31b2o22b
2o3b2o25b2o147b2o22b2o3b2o25b2o$44b2o9b2o3b2o11b2o174b2o9b2o3b2o11b2o
22bobo$44b2o27b2o16b2o9b2o141b2o2b2o27b2o16b2o4b2o3b2o$91b2o9b2o141bob
o33bobo12b2o5bo3b2o$31b2o203b2o7bo35b2o9b2o$31b2o4b2o30b2o165b2o4b2o
30b2o6bo9bobo$37b2o10b2o18b2o12b2o13b2o142b2o10b2o18b2o12b2o2bo10b2o$
49b2o32b2o13b2o154b2o32b2o13b2o$18b2o3b2o26b2o9b2o13b2o144b2o3b2o26b2o
9b2o13b2o$18b2o3b2o15b2o9b2o9b2o13b2o144b2o3b2o15b2o9b2o9b2o13b2o13b3o
$25b2o13b2o188b2o13b2o50b3o$25b2o61b2o140b2o38b3o20b2o2b3o$73b2o13b2o
157bo22bo7b2o13b2o3bo$36b2o13b2o9b2o9b2o15b2o3b2o144b2o4b2o7b2o9b2o2bo
2bo3b2o15b2o3b2o$36b2o13b2o9b2o26b2o3b2o129bo14b2o3bobo7b2o9b2o3bobo
20b2o3b2o$15b2o13b2o32b2o154b2o4b2o7b2o32b2o2b2o$15b2o13b2o12b2o18b2o
10b2o142b2o3bobo7b2o12b2o18b2o10b2o$44b2o30b2o4b2o165b2o30b2o4b2o$82b
2o203b2o$22b2o203b2o$10b2o10b2o16b2o27b2o144b2o10b2o16b2o27b2o7b2o$10b
2o28b2o11b2o3b2o9b2o144b2o20bo7b2o11b2o3b2o9b2o8b2o$26b2o25b2o3b2o22b
2o147b2o2bobo20b2o3b2o18bo3b2o$7b2o17b2o54b2o128b2o17b2o3b2o49b2o$7b2o
41b2o160b2o41b2o22bobo$20b2o13b2o13b2o27b2o139b2o3b2o13b2o13b2o22b2o3b
2o$20b2o13b2o30b2o10b2o139bobo2b2o13b2o16b2o12b2o6bo3b2o$59b2o6b2o151b
o36b3o4b2o6b2o$7b2o18b2o3b2o25b2o151b2o18b2o3b2o19bo5b2o$7b2o4b2o12b2o
3b2o11b2o165b2o4b2o12b2o3b2o11b2o$13b2o10b2o18b2o16b2o9b2o142b2o10b2o
18b2o16b2o9b2o$25b2o36b2o9b2o154b2o36b2o9b2o2$28b2o11b2o190b2o11b2o$
28b2o11b2o12b2o13b2o161b2o11b2o12b2o13b2o$15b2o38b2o13b2o148b2o38b2o
13b2o$15b2o17b2o13b2o169b2o2b2o13b2o13b2o11bobo$34b2o13b2o174b2o12b2o
13b2o11b2o$28b2o194bo8b2o11bobo19bo$22b2o4b2o30b2o165b2o4b2o11b2o17b2o
$10b2o10b2o21b2o13b2o153b2o10b2o18bo2b2o13b2o$10b2o22b2o9b2o15b2o3b2o
146b2o22b2o9b2o15b2o3b2o$8b2o24b2o26b2o3b2o144b2o24b2o26b2o3b2o$8b2o9b
2o15b2o175b2o9b2o15b2o$19b2o15b2o10b2o174b2o15b2o10b2o$48b2o4b2o197b2o
4b2o$17b2o35b2o166b2o35b2o$8b2o7bobo3b2o188b2o7bobo3b2o$8b2o7bo5b2o16b
2o170b2o7bo5b2o16b2o5bo$41b2o203b2o3bobo$15b2o37b2o164b2o30b2o5b2o$15b
2o10b2o25b2o164b2o10b2o25b2o$27b2o203b2o$51b2o203b2o$19b2o18b2o10b2o
171b2o18b2o10b2o$19b2o10b2o6b2o183b2o10b2o6b2o$31b2o203b2o2$23b2o10b2o
9b2o180b2o4b2o4b2o9b2o$23b2o10b2o9b2o180b2o4bobo3b2o2bobo4b2o$234bo9b
2o$245bo$27b2o13b2o188b2o13b2o$27b2o13b2o188b2o13b2o4$32b2o203b2o$32b
2o203b2o$34b2o3b2o198b2o3b2o$34b2o3b2o198b2o3b2o!
In general, if the gcd of 2*(signal's period) and (reflector delay mod period)*4 is (p_1^a_1)*(p_2^a_2)*...(p_n^a_n), a rectangular loop can make any oscillator period such that no power of p_k is greater than a_k. By the way, this is why the problem doesn't really arise for low-period spaceships such as gliders and c/2 ships.
If this is not the case, the remaining periods can be taken care of with an awful radiator-shaped loop (provided the signal is symmetric or glide-symmetric, or you have 90° reflectors in both directions).
Any sufficiently advanced software is indistinguishable from malice.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
When running a single dot in the rule B1/S012345678, at generations (2^n)-1, as n approaches infinity, the pattern's density *appears* to approach 1/3. Does it actually approach 1/3? If so, why? (if there's a meaningful answer to the second question)
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
I'm getting 4/9, not 1/3.
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
After running it for 16777215 generations in golly, it has a bounding box of 33554431 x 33554431 and a population of 375299968947541. 375299968947541/(33554431^2) ≈ 0.333333353 (?)
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Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
After 16,777,215 generations I get population 500,399,958,596,785 and bounding box 33,554,431-by-33,554,431; population/area ~ 0.4444439411168167
Code: Select all
x = 1, y = 1, rule = B1/S012345678
o!
127:1 B3/S234c User:Confocal/R (isotropic CA, incomplete)
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Unlikely events happen.
My silence does not imply agreement, nor indifference. If I disagreed with something in the past, then please do not construe my silence as something that could change that.
Re: Thread for basic non-CGOL questions
I am getting 1/3 for B1c rather than B1. Is that what you meant?
User:HotdogPi/My discoveries
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun
Periods discovered: 5-16,⑱,⑳G,㉑G,㉒㉔㉕,㉗-㉛,㉜SG,㉞㉟㊱㊳㊵㊷㊹㊺㊽㊿,54G,55G,56,57G,60,62-66,68,70,73,74S,75,76S,80,84,88,90,96
100,02S,06,08,10,12,14G,16,17G,20,26G,28,38,47,48,54,56,72,74,80,92,96S
217,486,576
S: SKOP
G: gun