Seeds

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Seeds
I found a wick that moves at 16c/8 in other words 2c, so maybe the speed of light is NOT the speed of light
Re: Seeds
Even though it is impossible, prove it by posting it.
Note: it is impossible.
Note: it is impossible.
Re: Seeds
wat.
A puffer I found from a soup, this has probably been discovered before but who cares
A puffer I found from a soup, this has probably been discovered before but who cares
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x = 6, y = 14, rule = B2/S
bo$o4$bobo$4bo$bo$2bo2bo$3bo$5bo$4bo$bo$2b2o!
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Re: Seeds
I don't understand how it's impossible. I'm pretty sure a wick can move at c/2 in seeds.Rhombic wrote:Even though it is impossible, prove it by posting it.
Note: it is impossible.
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 BlinkerSpawn
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Re: Seeds
Does he maybe mean something like this?
Jackk, in the '2c? If only?' thread wrote:Code: Select all
x = 73, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory 60.A.A.A.B.B.B.B$50.A.A.BAB6ABA8B$40.A.A.BAB4ABABABA11BABABA$30.A.A.B AB4ABABABABA3BA2BAB14ABA$20.A.A.BAB4ABABABABABABABABABABA22B$10.A.A.B AB4ABABABABA3B3ABA3BABABABABABABA2BAB10ABA4B$E.A.B.B4ABABABABA3BABABA 2BA5B4ABABABABABABABABABABA5BABABA4B$EA2B3A3BABABABABABA2B2A13BABABAB ABABABABABABABABA12B$EA2B3A3BABABABABABA2B2A13BABABABABABABABABABABAB A12B$E.A.B.B4ABABABABA3BABABA2BA5B4ABABABABABABABABABABA5BABABA4B$10. A.A.BAB4ABABABABA3B3ABA3BABABABABABABA2BAB10ABA4B$20.A.A.BAB4ABABABAB ABABABABABABA22B$30.A.A.BAB4ABABABABA3BA2BAB14ABA$40.A.A.BAB4ABABABA 11BABABA$50.A.A.BAB6ABA8B$60.A.A.A.B.B.B.B!

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Re: Seeds
Silly c/6 spaceship search fail:
The search stopped caring about any other possible branches of the tree once it stumbled on the one above, so maybe there could still be a width 18 bilaterally symmetric c/6 spaceship...
More excitingly, here's a long c/7 partial at width 15 with odd bilateral symmetry:
The first 55 rows reappear unmodified after 7 generations, which I think is pretty good. Also, the top band of 3 rows is at a very weak connection  only one generation of actual interaction, and since it's at generation 6, basically any other single gen interaction that prevents any birth at all in that region will work fine.
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x = 18, y = 80, rule = B2/S
6bo4bo$4bobo4bobo$4bobo4bobo$2b3o8b3o4$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$
b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o
5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o
2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2b
o3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo
3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b
2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo3$b2o5b2o5b2o2$
o2bo3bo2bo3bo2bo!
More excitingly, here's a long c/7 partial at width 15 with odd bilateral symmetry:
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x = 59, y = 15, rule = B2/S
53bo$11bo4bobo6b4o14bo10bo2b2o$3bo2bo5bo3bobobo5b2obo8bo13b3o2bo$2bo7b
3o5b2obo9b2o5bo7bo$16bobo6bobo5bo2b3o4bobo2b3o5bo$o7bo2b2o2bo3bo5b3o3b
o10bobo6bo3b2obo$5bo13bo5bo4b3o4bo3b2obo6bo5bo$5b3o3b5ob2obo5b3o13b3o$
5bo13bo5bo4b3o4bo3b2obo6bo5bo$o7bo2b2o2bo3bo5b3o3bo10bobo6bo3b2obo$16b
obo6bobo5bo2b3o4bobo2b3o5bo$2bo7b3o5b2obo9b2o5bo7bo$3bo2bo5bo3bobobo5b
2obo8bo13b3o2bo$11bo4bobo6b4o14bo10bo2b2o$53bo!
 glider_rider
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 Location: CA
Re: Seeds
A p4 gun.
That c/6 is great. It might be possible to make a p5 gun that shoots the necessary spaceships to push it along. I don't think this is likely to be found, but it would be cool.
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x = 18, y = 31, rule = B2/S
bobo10bobo$o3bo8bo3bo3$4bo8bo$4bo3b2o3bo2$7bo2bo$o16bo$o4bo6bo4bo$o16b
o$o5bo4bo5bo$7bo2bo$2bobo2bo2bo2bobo$4bob2o2b2obo2$o6bo2bo6bo$o6bo2bo
6bo$o16bo$o5b2o2b2o5bo$4bobo4bobo$2bo4bo2bo4bo$2bo3bo4bo3bo$4bo3b2o3bo
$bobo10bobo$o3bo8bo3bo$7bo2bo$8b2o2$4bobo4bobo$3bo3bo2bo3bo!
Nico Brown
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Or a c/6 forerake?glider_rider wrote: That c/6 is great. It might be possible to make a p5 gun that shoots the necessary spaceships to push it along. I don't think this is likely to be found, but it would be cool.
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According to this: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2192
There is a p4/c1 glider+garbage generator that I published in 2000. Here you are:
I mentioned the generated glider: http://fano.ics.uci.edu/ca/rules/b2s/g5.html
There is a p4/c1 glider+garbage generator that I published in 2000. Here you are:
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#CXRLE Pos=0,0
x = 10, y = 2, rule = B2/S
4b2o$2o6b2o!
Re: Seeds
Has anyone used this to make a barberpolestyle oscillator?
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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B2/S
o2$2bo2$4bo2$6bo2$8bo2$10bo2$12bo2$14bo2$16bo2$18bo2$20bo2$22bo2$24bo!
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 BlinkerSpawn
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Re: Seeds
I can't think of one offhand.muzik wrote:Has anyone used this to make a barberpolestyle oscillator?
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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B2/S o2$2bo2$4bo2$6bo2$8bo2$10bo2$12bo2$14bo2$16bo2$18bo2$20bo2$22bo2$24bo!
I know wls excels at finding p2s; isn't there a setting to have it search rules other than Life?
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Jason Summers has a pattern collection on his website which includes some oscillator collections. In the file "oscsp002.lif" there is an extended oscillator which is comprised of a variety of wicks all joined up in a circuit  It includes four segments of this wick joined to several different wicks. I don't actually see examples of fenceposts for any of the wicks in the circuit, but I'm sure they could be found.muzik wrote:Has anyone used this to make a barberpolestyle oscillator?
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x = 25, y = 25, rule = B2/S o2$2bo2$4bo2$6bo2$8bo2$10bo2$12bo2$14bo2$16bo2$18bo2$20bo2$22bo2$24bo!
I posted a collection of p2 patterns for Live Free or Die over several posts which include various oscillators that incorporate some of the wicks which exist in Seeds. I don't think I spent a lot of time searching for fenceposts for any of the wicks other than the "lever wick" but I'm sure they exist. However, it's very possible that they won't be small so quite a broad search would be needed to find them. Whether my experience searching in lfod translates to Seeds, I can't say.
There certainly is and it would be the tool to use, though Nicolay Beluchenko's version might be more suitable because it will prune the search branches which explore the depths of all possible combinations of the p2 checker.BlinkerSpawn wrote:I know wls excels at finding p2s; isn't there a setting to have it search rules other than Life?
The latest version of the 5S Project contains over 226,000 spaceships. There is also a GitHub mirror of the collection. Tabulated pages up to period 160 (out of date) are available on the LifeWiki.
Re: Seeds
What speeds are known in Seeds? Can someone compile a stamp collection?
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Re: Seeds
He said 2c.drc wrote: I don't understand how it's impossible. I'm pretty sure a wick can move at c/2 in seeds.
 BlinkerSpawn
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Re: Seeds
Somebody already has:muzik wrote:What speeds are known in Seeds? Can someone compile a stamp collection?
wildmyron wrote:Jason Summers has a pattern collection on his website which includes some oscillator collections.
Re: Seeds
Even then, I think he meant something like this:Rhombic wrote:He said 2c.drc wrote: I don't understand how it's impossible. I'm pretty sure a wick can move at c/2 in seeds.
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x = 197, y = 3, rule = B2/S0
o5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo
5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$4bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo
5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo5bo!
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Re: Seeds
This anchor puffer is probably known
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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B2/S
3bo$bo2bo$obo3bo$bo4bo$5bo!
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Re: Seeds
How do I get rid of the debris?
x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!
x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!
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Use code tags for rle format, this allows use of the viewer.wwei23 wrote:How do I get rid of the debris?
x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!
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x = 12, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o6b2o$5b2o!
Kiran Linsuain
Re: Seeds
P10, anyone?
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x = 17, y = 3, rule = B2/S
o7bo7bo$o7bo7bo$o7bo7bo!
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Did you mean this?wwei23 wrote:P10, anyone?Code: Select all
x = 17, y = 3, rule = B2/S notorious nothoroidal
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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B2/S:T24,11
4$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo!
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Yes.Naszvadi wrote:Did you mean this?wwei23 wrote:P10, anyone?Code: Select all
x = 17, y = 3, rule = B2/S notorious nothoroidal
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x = 24, y = 11, rule = B2/S:T24,11 4$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo$3bo7bo7bo!
Re: Seeds
Garden of Eden:
Proof:
Because in this generation these cells are on, they must be off the generation before, as they cannot survive:
But cell X must be on in generation 0, but it can only get one on neighbor, the question mark, therefore, this pattern has no predecessors.
Also, some onetime converters:
Antolopeship, anyone?
Splitter:
Puffer:
Ibissship, anyone?
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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2/S
2o$3o$3o!
Because in this generation these cells are on, they must be off the generation before, as they cannot survive:
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Generation 0:
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Generation 1:
░░?
░X░
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Also, some onetime converters:
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x = 14, y = 13, rule = B2/S
bo9bo$o9bo9$b2o8b2o$3bo$o9bo2bo!
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x = 11, y = 5, rule = B2/S
10bo$9bo$9bo$bo8bo$o!
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x = 12, y = 5, rule = B2/S
11bo$9bo$9bo$bo8bo$o!
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x = 13, y = 5, rule = B2/S
b2o7b2o$o11bo$3bo5bo$4b2ob2o$4bo3bo!
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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2/S
4bo$5bo3$b2o$o2bo!
Re: Seeds
This seems to remain aperiidic for well over a million gens:
eventually apgsearching this rule on a torus does not seem like a good time.
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x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2/S:T16,16
2bo$2o!
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Re: Seeds
A push reaction:
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x = 25, y = 28, rule = B2/S
8$13bo$14bo3$10bo6bo$9bobo6bo$10bo$10bo2bo$10b3obo$8bo4bo$9bo!