Symbiosis

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by yujh » May 9th, 2020, 10:12 pm

bubblegum wrote:
May 9th, 2020, 10:06 pm
Hunling wrote:
May 6th, 2020, 5:26 am
yuih wrote:
May 6th, 2020, 4:23 am
For my boredom I visited this.

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Firstly what's up with all those leading spaces you are posting on this forum? That annoys Golly users.

Secondly

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var a{1,2}
is valid, but non-standard. That would cause trouble, since LifeViewer does not recognize that format. The correct format is

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var a={1,2}
Last but not least, typo: "ratate4reflect".

P. S. Even without those minor flaws, your rule have a couple of major flaws, it's unclear what you're trying to do. For example, using the variable "a" that many times in a row? State number out of bound?

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Fixed all the minor flaws
The "major flaw" is that the ruletable format isn't the best in the world. Those a's in each line mean that each of them stands for the same state, so the first transition is "b2n, but only if no other-colour cells are present", unlike Nutshell and its rueltabel format.

"nutshella"

"Unsupported rule name"

EDIT: Took off colors section and something else
line 16,17
where is 3?

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var b6={1,2,3}
var b7={1,2,3}
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by bubblegum » May 9th, 2020, 10:34 pm

yuih wrote:
May 9th, 2020, 10:12 pm
bubbelgum wrote:
May 9th, 2020, 10:06 pm
Hunling wrote:
May 6th, 2020, 5:26 am
*post that sparks discussion about Hunting having human emotions* okay sorry

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line 16,17
where is 3?

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var b6={1,2,3}
var b7={1,2,3}
umm... on lines 16 and 17?
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by yujh » May 9th, 2020, 10:35 pm

Aha
6 glider syn of P3

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x = 11, y = 17, rule = LeapSymbiosis
7.2B2$7.B2.B2$8.3B8$3A2$A2.A2$2.2A!

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@RULE LeapSymbiosis

@TABLE
n_states:3
neighborhood:Moore
symmetries:rotate4reflect

var a={1,2}
var a2={1,2}
var a3={1,2}
var b1={0,1,2}
var b2={0,1,2}
var b3={0,1,2}
var b4={0,1,2}
var b5={0,1,2}
var b6={0,1,2}
var b7={0,1,2}
var b8={0,1,2}
0,0,a,0,0,0,a,0,0,a
0,a,a,a,0,0,0,0,0,a
0,a,a,0,a,0,0,0,0,a
0,a,a,0,0,a,0,0,0,a
0,a,a,0,0,0,a,0,0,a
0,a,a,0,0,0,0,a,0,a
0,a,a,0,0,0,0,0,a,a
0,a,0,a,0,a,0,0,0,a
0,a,0,a,0,0,a,0,0,a
0,a,0,0,a,0,a,0,0,a
0,0,a,0,a,0,a,0,0,a

1,2,b1,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,1
1,b1,2,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,1
2,1,b1,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,2
2,b1,1,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,2

a,a,a,0,0,0,0,0,0,a
a,a,0,a,0,0,0,0,0,a
a,a,0,0,a,0,0,0,0,a
a,a,0,0,0,a,0,0,0,a
a,0,a,0,a,0,0,0,0,a
a,0,a,0,0,0,a,0,0,a
a,a,a,a,0,0,0,0,0,a
a,a,a,0,a,0,0,0,0,a
a,a,a,0,0,a,0,0,0,a
a,a,a,0,0,0,0,a,0,a
a,a,a,0,0,0,0,0,a,a
a,a,0,a,0,a,0,0,0,a
a,a,0,a,0,0,a,0,0,a
a,a,0,0,a,0,a,0,0,a
a,0,a,0,a,0,a,0,0,a

a2,b1,b2,b3,b4,b5,b6,b7,b8,0
Rather unusual Sl

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x = 12, y = 19, rule = LeapSymbiosis
8.2B2$8.B2.B2$9.3B10$3A2$A2.A2$2.2A!
P9

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x = 5, y = 7, rule = LeapSymbiosis
2.B$3.2A$B.A$.A$B.A$3.2A$2.B!
P10

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x = 6, y = 7, rule = LeapSymbiosis
2.B.A$.A.3A$B.A$.A$B.A$.A.3A$2.B.A!
P23

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x = 6, y = 9, rule = LeapSymbiosis
4.B$3.B.A$2.A.A$.B.A$3A$.B.A$2.A.A$3.B.A$4.B!
P122

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x = 6, y = 9, rule = LeapSymbiosis
4.2B$3.B.A$2.A.A$.B.A$3A$.B.A$2.A.A$3.B.A$4.B!
P22

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x = 6, y = 9, rule = LeapSymbiosis
4.2B$3.B.A$2.A.A$.B.A$3A$.B.A$2.A.A$3.B.A$4.2B!
P27

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x = 7, y = 9, rule = LeapSymbiosis
4.2BA$3.B.A$2.A.A$.B.A$3A$.B.A$2.A.A$3.B.A$4.2BA!
P11

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x = 9, y = 11, rule = LeapSymbiosis
7.B$4.B.3A$3.B.A2.A$2.A.A$.B.A$3A$.B.A$2.A.A$3.B.A2.A$4.B.3A$7.B!
P10

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x = 11, y = 11, rule = LeapSymbiosis
7.B2A$4.B.3A.A$3.B.A3.A$2.A.2A.A$.B3.4A$5A$.B3.4A$2.A.2A.A$3.B.A3.A$
4.B.3A.A$7.B2A!
B34kz5e7c8/S23-a4ityz5k!!!
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by FWKnightship » May 9th, 2020, 11:07 pm

P4:

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x = 7, y = 7, rule = LeapSymbiosis
.B$2.A3.B$5.A2$.A.A$B3.A$5.B!
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by bubblegum » May 10th, 2020, 12:22 am

Rule:LeapSymbiosis
Todo:
-Link to completed table
-Run RT2T and paste tree before table
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Hunting » May 10th, 2020, 2:05 am

bubblegum wrote:
May 9th, 2020, 10:06 pm
...The "major flaw" is that the ruletable format isn't the best in the world. Those a's in each line mean that each of them stands for the same state, so the first transition is "b2n, but only if no other-colour cells are present", unlike Nutshell and its rueltabel format.
Multiple copies of the same variable in a single line won't work. You'll need multiple equivalent variables as far as I know.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by bubblegum » May 10th, 2020, 4:40 pm

Hunting wrote:
May 10th, 2020, 2:05 am
bubblegum wrote:
May 9th, 2020, 10:06 pm
...The "major flaw" is that the ruletable format isn't the best in the world. Those a's in each line mean that each of them stands for the same state, so the first transition is "b2n, but only if no other-colour cells are present", unlike Nutshell and its rueltabel format.
Multiple copies of the same variable in a single line won't work. You'll need multiple equivalent variables as far as I know.
Andrew, Tom, Tim, Dave, Jason, Maks, Robert, Brenton, and Chris disagree.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Quantum Tunnel » May 10th, 2020, 7:27 pm

'Natural' p297 gun.

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x = 11, y = 16, rule = LeapSymbiosis
8.A$2.2A.B2.2A$.A2.2A.A.2A$.BA6.A$4.A3.A$3.A5.B$2.A.A3.A$BA5.A$8.B$.A
.A2.AB$2.B.2A$3.A3.B$4.3A$7.A$6.A$6.B!

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Layz Boi » May 10th, 2020, 8:36 pm

Some oscillators. Also a P28 gun somewhere in there too.

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x = 313, y = 322, rule = Symbiosis
107.B7.B.2B9.A9.A9.A8.B$10.2B.2B6.A.B.A4.A6.B.B5.A68.B12.BA3.2B5.B8.B
7.B.BA110.B.2B6.B.B.B$16.B4.2B.B4.B2.A5.A5.B62.B24.B.B13.2B3.A.2B7.2A
103.B9.B5.B$21.B9.2B4.3A5.B68.B16.B2.B6.A5.B.B3.B2.B2.A4.A.A$16.B11.A
B3.A3.2A3.B2.B58.2B.B6.B16.3B3.B3A.A4.B.BA7.B5.B.2A.A99.B9.B5.B$16.B13.
B6.A.B2.2B86.AB7.A8.B8.2B6.B2.2AB98.B9.B5.B$38.B4.A63.B6.B.B.2B11.A9.
A5.A17.AB131.B$11.2B.2B91.B32.B.B126.B.B.2B4.B5.B10.3A$114.B5.B174.2A
.A$10.B96.B6.B5.B7.A2.A20.A6.2B108.B5.B3.B5.B10.A$10.B96.B19.A.3B19.B
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B$10.B93.2B.B.2B4.B.B.B7.B.2B11.2B9.A4.A.B.B106.B5.B3.B5.B6.B.A$10.B.
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3B.A4.2A6.A$135.B9.B17.A$135.A27.B20.2B.B.B4.2B.2B6.2A2B.A15.A$190.B9.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by wwei23 » September 11th, 2020, 3:25 pm

Feel like exploring this rule again.
P63:

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = Symbiosis
2.3B$.B2.B$.B.B$A.B.A!
P158:

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x = 15, y = 8, rule = Symbiosis
4.B$6.B.2B$B4.B3.B3.AB$.2B2.B2.B$A.B3.B$.A.3B.A$2.A.B.A$3.A.A!
P17:

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x = 11, y = 6, rule = Symbiosis
AB7.BA$A.B5.B.A$.A.B3.B.A$2.A.B.B.A$3.A.B.A$4.A.A!
P8:

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x = 7, y = 4, rule = Symbiosis
AB3.BA$A.B.B.A$.A.B.A$2.A.A!
Getting a gun is a lot harder than an oscillator though.
EDIT: P86 phi sparker from messing around with one of the guns:

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x = 14, y = 12, rule = Symbiosis
12.2A$12.2A4$9.B$3.6A$2.A.2A.A$2.2AB.B.B$BA$.A$.B!
EDIT 2: The reaction that it came from:

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x = 14, y = 18, rule = Symbiosis
13.B$13.A10$5.3A.B$4.A3.A$4.2A.A$2.2AB.B.B$BA$.A$.B!
EDIT 3: That drifter can also be activated with this P6:

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x = 12, y = 18, rule = Symbiosis
.A3.A$.A3BA3$.2B.B$A.B.BA2$BA$3.2B.B$2.A.B.BA2$2.BA$5.2B.B$4.A.B.BA2$
4.BA$7.2B.B$6.A.B.BA!
EDIT 4:

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x = 9, y = 17, rule = Symbiosis
.2B.B$A.B.BA$3.B$BA$3.2B.B$2.A.B.BA2$3.A3.A$3.AB.BA3$4.B.2B$3.AB.B.A
2$7.AB$2.B.2B$.AB.B.A!
Edit 5: P8 from this:

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x = 9, y = 17, rule = Symbiosis
2.2B.B$.A.B.BA$4.B$.BA$4.2B.B$3.A.B.BA2$4.A3.A$4.AB.BA3$3.B.2B$2.AB.B
.A2$6.AB$.B.2B$AB.B.A!
EDIT 6: Huh, rotor's surprisingly small. I'm sure it can be turned into something in regular Life.

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = Symbiosis
.B2.B$A3.BA$5.BA$4.2B.A$3.B2.B$3.4B.B$.AB5.B$2.BA.3B$5.B2.B$4.A.3BA$
7.A!
EDIT 7: P29 plume thing:

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = Symbiosis
.2B.B$A.B.BA$3.B$BA$3.2B.B$2.A.B.BA$7.BA$2.AB3.B.A$8.B!

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = Symbiosis
.2B.B$A.B.BA$3.B$BA.B.2B$3.2B.B$2.A2.2BA$7.BA$2.AB2.2B.A$6.B.B$8.B!
Edit 8: SIGNAL ELBOW YES

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x = 19, y = 40, rule = Symbiosis
5.A$5.B$6.B$6.B$3.AB3.BA2$4.2B.2B$5.B.BA$4.A2$6.2B.B$5.A.B.BA2$5.BA$
8.2B.B$7.A.B.BA2$7.BA$10.2B.B$9.A.B.BA2$9.BA$12.2B.B$11.A.B.BA2$11.BA
$14.2B.B$13.A.B.BA$10.B.A5.B$10.A2.B2.2B$6.B.A3.2B3.A$6.A2.B$2.B.A3.
2B2.2B$2.A2.B6.A$A3.2B2.2B$.B6.A$2B2.2B$4.A$2B$A!
EDIT 9: In case you need to flip a signal:

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x = 24, y = 60, rule = Symbiosis
11.A$11.B$12.B$12.B$9.AB3.BA2$10.2B.2B$11.B.BA$10.A2$12.2B.B$11.A.B.B
A2$11.BA$14.2B.B$13.A.B.BA2$13.BA$16.2B.B$15.A.B.BA2$15.BA$18.2B.B$
17.A.B.BA2$22.AB$17.B.2B$16.AB.B.A2$20.AB$15.B.2B$14.AB.B.A2$18.AB$
13.B.2B$12.AB.B.A2$16.AB$11.B.2B$10.AB.B.A2$14.AB$9.B.2B$8.AB.B.A2$
12.AB$7.B.2B$6.AB.B.A2$10.AB$5.B.2B$4.AB.B.A2$8.AB$3.B.2B$2.AB.B.A2$
6.AB$.B.2B$AB.B.A!
EDIT 10: Now, how do we get the glider back out?

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x = 19, y = 40, rule = Symbiosis
11.B.B$11.2B$12.B7$3.BA$6.2B.B$5.A.B.BA2$5.BA$8.2B.B$7.A.B.BA2$7.BA$
10.2B.B$9.A.B.BA2$9.BA$12.2B.B$11.A.B.BA2$11.BA$14.2B.B$13.A.B.BA$10.
B.A5.B$10.A2.B2.2B$6.B.A3.2B3.A$6.A2.B$2.B.A3.2B2.2B$2.A2.B6.A$A3.2B
2.2B$.B6.A$2B2.2B$4.A$2B$A!
Edit 11: So satisfying lol

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x = 19, y = 19, rule = Symbiosis
10.AB$9.2B.BA$6.A5.B$5.2B2.2B$7.B.B$.A3.2B3.A.2B.B$.2B2.B2.A2.A.B.BA$
B5.A.B$AB.B.A5.BA$.B.2B9.2B.B$6.AB5.A.B.BA$10.B.A5.B$2.AB.B.A2.A2.B2.
2B$3.B.2B.A3.2B3.A$9.B$8.2B2.2B$6.B5.A$5.AB.2B$7.BA!
EDIT 12: So I believe we have periods that are factors of 24+10n?

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x = 13, y = 13, rule = Symbiosis
6.AB$5.2B.BA$8.B$.A3.2B$.2B2.B$B5.A.2B.B$AB.B.A.A.B.BA$.B.2B.A5.B$7.B
2.2B$5.3B3.A$4.B$3.AB.2B$5.BA!
EDIT 13: This stuff is good at stabilizing the supported oscillators in jslife!

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x = 49, y = 19, rule = Symbiosis
22.A3.A$5.B15.3A.3A15.B$5.2A13.A2.A.A2.A13.2A$4.B15.3A3.3A15.B$8.2A8.
2A.A5.A.2A8.2A$6.2A.2A6.A2.A7.A2.A6.2A.2A$BA4.A2.A7.A.A9.A.A7.A2.A4.A
B$6.A2.A8.A11.A8.A2.A$7.2A31.2A2$7.2A31.2A$6.A2.A8.A11.A8.A2.A$BA4.A
2.A7.A.A9.A.A7.A2.A4.AB$6.2A.2A6.A2.A7.A2.A6.2A.2A$8.2A8.2A.A5.A.2A8.
2A$4.B15.3A3.3A15.B$5.2A13.A2.A.A2.A13.2A$5.B15.3A.3A15.B$22.A3.A!

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 12th, 2020, 7:11 pm

wwei23 wrote:
September 11th, 2020, 3:25 pm
Feel like exploring this rule again.
P63:

Code: Select all

x = 5, y = 4, rule = Symbiosis
2.3B$.B2.B$.B.B$A.B.A!
P158:

Code: Select all

x = 15, y = 8, rule = Symbiosis
4.B$6.B.2B$B4.B3.B3.AB$.2B2.B2.B$A.B3.B$.A.3B.A$2.A.B.A$3.A.A!
P17:

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x = 11, y = 6, rule = Symbiosis
AB7.BA$A.B5.B.A$.A.B3.B.A$2.A.B.B.A$3.A.B.A$4.A.A!
P8:

Code: Select all

x = 7, y = 4, rule = Symbiosis
AB3.BA$A.B.B.A$.A.B.A$2.A.A!
Getting a gun is a lot harder than an oscillator though.
EDIT: P86 phi sparker from messing around with one of the guns:

Code: Select all

x = 14, y = 12, rule = Symbiosis
12.2A$12.2A4$9.B$3.6A$2.A.2A.A$2.2AB.B.B$BA$.A$.B!
EDIT 2: The reaction that it came from:

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x = 14, y = 18, rule = Symbiosis
13.B$13.A10$5.3A.B$4.A3.A$4.2A.A$2.2AB.B.B$BA$.A$.B!
EDIT 3: That drifter can also be activated with this P6:

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x = 12, y = 18, rule = Symbiosis
.A3.A$.A3BA3$.2B.B$A.B.BA2$BA$3.2B.B$2.A.B.BA2$2.BA$5.2B.B$4.A.B.BA2$
4.BA$7.2B.B$6.A.B.BA!
EDIT 4:

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x = 9, y = 17, rule = Symbiosis
.2B.B$A.B.BA$3.B$BA$3.2B.B$2.A.B.BA2$3.A3.A$3.AB.BA3$4.B.2B$3.AB.B.A
2$7.AB$2.B.2B$.AB.B.A!
Edit 5: P8 from this:

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x = 9, y = 17, rule = Symbiosis
2.2B.B$.A.B.BA$4.B$.BA$4.2B.B$3.A.B.BA2$4.A3.A$4.AB.BA3$3.B.2B$2.AB.B
.A2$6.AB$.B.2B$AB.B.A!
EDIT 6: Huh, rotor's surprisingly small. I'm sure it can be turned into something in regular Life.

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = Symbiosis
.B2.B$A3.BA$5.BA$4.2B.A$3.B2.B$3.4B.B$.AB5.B$2.BA.3B$5.B2.B$4.A.3BA$
7.A!
EDIT 7: P29 plume thing:

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x = 10, y = 9, rule = Symbiosis
.2B.B$A.B.BA$3.B$BA$3.2B.B$2.A.B.BA$7.BA$2.AB3.B.A$8.B!

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = Symbiosis
.2B.B$A.B.BA$3.B$BA.B.2B$3.2B.B$2.A2.2BA$7.BA$2.AB2.2B.A$6.B.B$8.B!
Edit 8: SIGNAL ELBOW YES

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x = 19, y = 40, rule = Symbiosis
5.A$5.B$6.B$6.B$3.AB3.BA2$4.2B.2B$5.B.BA$4.A2$6.2B.B$5.A.B.BA2$5.BA$
8.2B.B$7.A.B.BA2$7.BA$10.2B.B$9.A.B.BA2$9.BA$12.2B.B$11.A.B.BA2$11.BA
$14.2B.B$13.A.B.BA$10.B.A5.B$10.A2.B2.2B$6.B.A3.2B3.A$6.A2.B$2.B.A3.
2B2.2B$2.A2.B6.A$A3.2B2.2B$.B6.A$2B2.2B$4.A$2B$A!
EDIT 9: In case you need to flip a signal:

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x = 24, y = 60, rule = Symbiosis
11.A$11.B$12.B$12.B$9.AB3.BA2$10.2B.2B$11.B.BA$10.A2$12.2B.B$11.A.B.B
A2$11.BA$14.2B.B$13.A.B.BA2$13.BA$16.2B.B$15.A.B.BA2$15.BA$18.2B.B$
17.A.B.BA2$22.AB$17.B.2B$16.AB.B.A2$20.AB$15.B.2B$14.AB.B.A2$18.AB$
13.B.2B$12.AB.B.A2$16.AB$11.B.2B$10.AB.B.A2$14.AB$9.B.2B$8.AB.B.A2$
12.AB$7.B.2B$6.AB.B.A2$10.AB$5.B.2B$4.AB.B.A2$8.AB$3.B.2B$2.AB.B.A2$
6.AB$.B.2B$AB.B.A!
EDIT 10: Now, how do we get the glider back out?

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x = 19, y = 40, rule = Symbiosis
11.B.B$11.2B$12.B7$3.BA$6.2B.B$5.A.B.BA2$5.BA$8.2B.B$7.A.B.BA2$7.BA$
10.2B.B$9.A.B.BA2$9.BA$12.2B.B$11.A.B.BA2$11.BA$14.2B.B$13.A.B.BA$10.
B.A5.B$10.A2.B2.2B$6.B.A3.2B3.A$6.A2.B$2.B.A3.2B2.2B$2.A2.B6.A$A3.2B
2.2B$.B6.A$2B2.2B$4.A$2B$A!
Edit 11: So satisfying lol

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x = 19, y = 19, rule = Symbiosis
10.AB$9.2B.BA$6.A5.B$5.2B2.2B$7.B.B$.A3.2B3.A.2B.B$.2B2.B2.A2.A.B.BA$
B5.A.B$AB.B.A5.BA$.B.2B9.2B.B$6.AB5.A.B.BA$10.B.A5.B$2.AB.B.A2.A2.B2.
2B$3.B.2B.A3.2B3.A$9.B$8.2B2.2B$6.B5.A$5.AB.2B$7.BA!
EDIT 12: So I believe we have periods that are factors of 24+10n?

Code: Select all

x = 13, y = 13, rule = Symbiosis
6.AB$5.2B.BA$8.B$.A3.2B$.2B2.B$B5.A.2B.B$AB.B.A.A.B.BA$.B.2B.A5.B$7.B
2.2B$5.3B3.A$4.B$3.AB.2B$5.BA!
EDIT 13: This stuff is good at stabilizing the supported oscillators in jslife! (StateInvestigator might be better though.)

Code: Select all

x = 49, y = 19, rule = Symbiosis
22.A3.A$5.B15.3A.3A15.B$5.2A13.A2.A.A2.A13.2A$4.B15.3A3.3A15.B$8.2A8.
2A.A5.A.2A8.2A$6.2A.2A6.A2.A7.A2.A6.2A.2A$BA4.A2.A7.A.A9.A.A7.A2.A4.A
B$6.A2.A8.A11.A8.A2.A$7.2A31.2A2$7.2A31.2A$6.A2.A8.A11.A8.A2.A$BA4.A
2.A7.A.A9.A.A7.A2.A4.AB$6.2A.2A6.A2.A7.A2.A6.2A.2A$8.2A8.2A.A5.A.2A8.
2A$4.B15.3A3.3A15.B$5.2A13.A2.A.A2.A13.2A$5.B15.3A.3A15.B$22.A3.A!
Hey wwei23, do you like getting all of your posts StateInvestigated?

Code: Select all

x = 163, y = 170, rule = StateInvestigator
137.E$135.EDE3$108.D$108.D3$104.E$33.A70.E$8.3A24.A.2A2.E13.E7.E12.E
3.E18.5AD26.3E$7.A2.A18.A4.A3.A16.D7.D12.D3.D17.AE2DEDE23.3AE.E$6.ED.
D2E17.EDA2.A2.A17.ED5.DE12.ED.DE15.2EADE26.A3.D$7.EDE20.ED3.DE19.ED3.
DE14.EDE17.D.E26.E2DEDE$31.EDADE21.ED.DE35.DE23.3EADE$32.EDE23.EDE63.
D.E$124.DE23$6.E.E$6.DAD19.DA.D20.DA.D$6.E.E19.EA.D20.EA.D$29.EAE21.E
AE61.DA.D$5.DA.DE19.E23.E63.EA.D$5.EA.D21.DA.D20.DA.D60.EA2E$6.E.E21.
EA.D20.EA.D60.E$6.E24.E.E21.E.E17.DE42.DA.DE$7.DA.D20.E.E21.E.E17.D.A
41.EA.DE30.E$7.EA.D20.D.D21.D.D17.E.A41.E2.ED$8.E.E20.E.E21.E.E17.DA
42.D3.DE$8.E26.E40.EDE38.3E4.D2E$9.DA.D17.ED.AD17.ED.AD$9.EA.D18.D.AE
18.D.AE11.E$10.E.E18.E.E19.E.E$10.E22.E21.E$11.DA.D14.D.AD18.D.AD$11.
EA.D14.D.AE18.D.AE$12.E.E14.E.E19.E.E19$7.DA.D$7.EA.D41.EDE$8.EA2E42.
A$8.EA.2A39.E.A.E$9.DA.DE38.D3.D$9.E.ADE38.E3.E$9.E2.ED38.2A.2D$9.D2.
ADE37.ED.DE$9.E2.A.DE37.E.E$14.A38.E$54.DA.D$54.EA.D$55.E.E$55.E$56.D
A.D$56.EA.D$57.E.E$57.E$58.DA.D$58.EA.D$59.E.E$59.E$60.DA.D$60.EA.D$
61.E.E$61.E$62.DA.D$62.EA.D$62.E2.E$60.ED2.2D$11.EDE44.2E2A2.E$13.A
42.ED$11.E.A.E38.2E2A.E2D$11.D3.D36.ED5.E$11.E3.E34.2E2A.E2D$11.2A.2D
32.ED$11.ED.DE31.E2A.E2D$12.E.E$12.E34.E2D$13.DA.D$13.EA.D$14.E.E$14.
E$15.DA.D75.2DED$15.EA.D73.E4.DE$16.E.E71.2DE.2A63.E$16.E75.A.D2E$17.
DA.D66.E2.2A2E3.DA.D$17.EA.D65.2D2.DE5.EA.D$18.E.E65.E2.E8.E.2E$18.E
67.D.AE8.E$19.DA.D36.A.A24.D.AD9.DA.D$19.EA.D36.2A29.E8.EA.D$20.E.E
37.A26.2E.E8.E2.E$22.E65.D.AE5.ED2.2D$18.D.AD66.D.AD3.2E2A2.E$18.D.AE
70.2ED$18.E.E72.2A.E2D$20.E69.ED4.E40.A3.A$16.D.AD33.E37.DE2D41.3A.3A
$16.D.AE33.E66.2D13.A2.A.A2.A13.2D$16.E.E35.DA.D62.E14.3A3.3A14.E$18.
E35.EA.D60.3E2.2A8.2A.A5.A.2A8.2A2.3E$14.D.AD37.E.E58.E4.2A.2A6.A2.A
7.A2.A6.2A.2A4.E$14.D.AE37.E60.D4.A2.A7.A.A9.A.A7.A2.A4.D$14.E.E39.DA
.D56.E4.A2.A8.A11.A8.A2.A4.E$16.E39.EA.D62.2A31.2A$12.D.AD41.E.E$12.D
.AE41.E64.2A31.2A$12.E.E43.DA.D54.E4.A2.A8.A11.A8.A2.A4.E$14.E43.EA.D
54.D4.A2.A7.A.A9.A.A7.A2.A4.D$10.D.AD45.E.E54.E4.2A.2A6.A2.A7.A2.A6.
2A.2A4.E$10.D.AE45.E58.3E2.2A8.2A.A5.A.2A8.2A2.3E$10.E.E47.DA.D56.E
14.3A3.3A14.E$12.E47.EA.D56.2D13.A2.A.A2.A13.2D$8.D.AD49.E.E27.2DED
41.3A.3A$8.D.AE49.E32.DE41.A3.A$8.E.E51.DA.D22.E2.2A$10.E51.EA.D21.2D
2.D2E$6.D.AD52.E2.E21.E2.E3.DA.D$6.D.AE50.ED2.2D21.D.AE3.EA.D$6.E.E
49.2E2A2.E22.D.AD3.E2.E$8.E47.ED33.2ED2.2D$4.D.AD46.2E2A.E2D29.3A2.E$
4.D.AE44.ED5.E29.ED$4.E.E43.2E2A.E2D32.DE2D$6.E41.ED$2.D.AD41.E2A.E2D
$2.D.AE$2.E.E42.E2D$4.E$D.AD$D.AE$E.E!
Given any Symbiosis pattern (EDIT: when one color is stationary), it is possible to construct a StateInvestigator pattern that does the same thing.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by wwei23 » September 13th, 2020, 8:48 am

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 7:11 pm
Given any Symbiosis pattern, it is possible to construct a StateInvestigator pattern that does the same thing.
Proof? I'm interested.

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Layz Boi » September 13th, 2020, 12:27 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 7:11 pm
Given any Symbiosis pattern, it is possible to construct a StateInvestigator pattern that does the same thing.
Oh really? Care to give these two oscillators a go? :wink:

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x = 59, y = 88, rule = Symbiosis
2.A$3.2B15.A$4.3A13.B$4.A$.A3.3AB2.BA$A.A3.A$A2.A14.3B.AB$.2A9.2B4.B.
B.A$18.B2.B$12.B6.B.A$12.B5.A$12.B$4.B$3.B.B$4.B12$34.A$34.B2$33.A4.B
$30.A.A.4A$30.3A2.2A$32.BA3.A.B$34.3A2.A$33.2A$33.2A.A$33.4A4$6.BA$3.
B$4.A2.3A17.A.A$3.2A.5A16.2A$3.A3.A.A.A16.A$AB.2A5.2A$3.A2.A3.A$4.2AB
30.A$5.A32.2B$4.2A29.A2.2B$34.B.2B$16.A.A16.3B$17.2A17.B$17.A7$41.A$40.
2A$40.A.A2$53.2A$53.A$52.B2A$48.A3.A2.A$47.2A5.2A.BA$30.A16.A.A.A3.A$
30.2A16.5A.2A$29.A.A17.3A2.A$55.B$51.AB4$22.4A$22.A.2A$24.2A$19.A2.3A
$19.B.A3.AB$22.2A2.3A$21.4A.A.A$20.B4.A2$24.B$24.A!

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by wwei23 » September 13th, 2020, 12:57 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 7:11 pm
Given any Symbiosis pattern, it is possible to construct a StateInvestigator pattern that does the same thing.
So how do I StateInvestigate this?

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x = 163, y = 59, rule = Symbiosis
149.4B$133.6B9.6B$132.B5.B9.4B.2B$138.B13.2B3.B2.B$130.B6.B23.B$129.B
5.B21.B3.B$130.B27.4B$134.B$130.B$133.B7.3B10.B3.3B$130.3B8.B11.2B2.
5B$142.B11.B.4B.2B$127.B9.2B21.2B$128.B6.B4.B$126.3B12.B6.2B$135.B5.B
4.B4.B$123.B12.6B10.B$58.2A64.B21.B5.B$56.A4.A60.3B22.6B$55.A$55.A5.A
57.B$44.6A5.6A59.B$37.3A4.A5.A67.3B10.6B$36.5A3.A85.B5.B$35.2A.3A4.A
4.A64.B20.B$6.6A24.2A9.2A67.B13.B4.B$6.A5.A101.3B15.2B$6.A40.2A$7.A4.
A34.A2.A60.B18.B13.2B$9.2A34.2A3.A61.B16.B8.B.4B.2B$25.A.A2.A14.A4.2A
58.3B16.B8.B2.5B$28.4A13.A.A3.2A76.B2.B5.B3.3B$.2A29.2A12.2A3.2A64.B
12.B.B$2A.4A.A14.A6.A2.A82.B14.B$.5A2.2A7.3A3.A4.A4.A3.A24.2A22.2B14.
2B12.3B23.4B$2.3A3.A6.2A2.A3.A5.2A.A3.A.A10.A10.2A.2A20.4B12.4B36.B3.
B$15.4A6.A4.2A4.A.A9.A.A9.4A20.2B.2B11.2B.2B40.B$16.A20.A10.A.A10.2A
22.2B14.2B33.2B3.B2.B$.4A44.A63.B18.4B.2B9.2B$.A3.A106.2B18.6B8.B4.B$
.A7.4A24.3A72.B.B18.4B15.B$2.A2.A2.6A22.5A105.B5.B$7.2A.4A21.2A.3A84.
B21.6B$8.2A26.2A86.2B32.2B$124.B.B29.2B.2B$156.4B$137.B19.2B$136.2B
11.3B5.B$136.B.B9.B.2B3.B3.B$148.B5.B5.B$148.3B3.B5.B$149.B3.B.6B$
151.B3$149.2B$145.4B.2B$145.6B$146.4B!
Edit: WAIT WHAT

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x = 163, y = 61, rule = Symbiosis
150.2B$134.4B10.B4.B$133.6B15.B$133.4B.2B8.B5.B$137.2B10.6B$160.2B$
129.2B27.2B.2B$158.4B$159.2B$142.B16.B$130.B.B8.2B10.2B2.B3.B$131.2B
8.B.B9.2B.B5.B$131.B21.4B5.B$157.6B$126.B.B$127.2B11.2B$127.B8.4B.2B$
136.6B9.2B$58.2A62.B.B12.4B6.4B.2B$56.A4.A61.2B22.6B$55.A67.B24.4B$
55.A5.A$44.6A5.6A57.B.B11.4B$37.3A4.A5.A68.2B10.6B$36.5A3.A74.B11.4B.
2B$35.2A.3A4.A4.A84.2B$6.6A24.2A9.2A65.B.B$6.A5.A102.2B$6.A40.2A66.B$
7.A4.A34.A2.A90.6B$9.2A34.2A3.A59.B.B16.2B8.2B5.B$25.A.A2.A14.A4.2A
59.2B15.3B6.2B.B5.B$28.4A13.A.A3.2A58.B17.3B9.B3.B$.2A29.2A12.2A3.2A
77.B.B10.B$2A.4A.A14.A6.A2.A82.B.B12.B11.2B$.5A2.2A7.3A3.A4.A4.A3.A
24.2A21.B2.B12.B2.B11.2B24.4B$2.3A3.A6.2A2.A3.A5.2A.A3.A.A10.A10.2A.
2A19.B15.B16.B24.2B.2B$15.4A6.A4.2A4.A.A9.A.A9.4A20.B3.B11.B3.B39.2B$
16.A20.A10.A.A10.2A21.4B12.4B29.6B$.4A44.A62.2B18.B5.B$.A3.A106.B.B
23.B$.A7.4A24.3A72.B19.B4.B13.2B$2.A2.A2.6A22.5A93.2B11.4B.2B$7.2A.4A
21.2A.3A83.2B21.6B$8.2A26.2A86.B.B21.4B5.4B$124.B31.B3.B$160.B$136.2B
12.B8.B$136.B.B10.B.B4.2B$136.B11.B2.B$147.2B2.B2.2B3.2B$148.B.B2.2B.
3B.2B$148.2B4.7B$156.4B3$146.6B$145.B5.B$151.B$145.B4.B$147.2B!
Edit 2: In a similar vein, I expect there to also be StateInvestigator patterns that can't be converted to Symbiosis. Each rule has its own unique patterns that only work in it.
Edit 3: This is all part of the fun of making life variants like Symbiosis and StateInvestigator and ExtendedLife. Here are some oscillators that seem like they'll provide useful sparks, Symbiosis has oscillators by the boatload. There are things like P13 heavyweight emulators lol:

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x = 76, y = 229, rule = Symbiosis
A.A.A$31.AB3.BA$A3.A26.A.B.B.A$32.A.B.A$A.A.A28.A.A2$A3.A2$A.A.A12$A.
A.A$31.B2A2.2AB$A3.A27.A4.A$32.A4.A$A.A.A26.BA4.AB$32.A.2A.A$4.A27.A.
2A.A$31.BA4.AB$A.A.A27.A4.A$32.A4.A$31.B2A2.2AB10$A.A5.A.A.A$31.B2A4.
2AB11.2A18.2A$2.A9.A19.A6.A11.A.A17.A.A$32.A6.A11.A2.B16.A2.2B$2.A5.A
.A.A18.BA.4A.AB10.2A2.B15.2A2.B$32.A.4A.A13.B.B17.B.B$2.A9.A19.A.4A.A
13.2B18.2B$31.BA.4A.AB$A.A.A3.A.A.A19.A6.A$32.A6.A$31.B2A4.2AB10$A.A
5.A.A.A$33.2A$2.A9.A21.AB$33.4A$2.A9.A19.A.A.A$31.3A.2AB$2.A9.A19.A2.
A$33.3A$A.A.A7.A21.A12$A.A.A3.A.A.A$34.B$4.A7.A19.2B.A$31.A2.B$A.A.A
3.A.A.A20.A2$A7.A2$A.A.A3.A.A.A12$A.A.A3.A.A.A19.3B$31.B2.B$A11.A18.B
.B$30.A.B.A$A.A.A3.A.A.A2$A3.A7.A2$A.A.A3.A.A.A12$A.A.A3.A.A.A$31.AB
7.BA$A7.A22.B3.A.A3.B2$A.A.A3.A.A.A19.A7.A$31.B.A5.A.B$A3.A3.A3.A19.B
.A3.A.B$33.B.A.A.B$A.A.A3.A.A.A21.B.A.B12$A.A.A3.A.A.A$43.2A$A3.A3.A
34.2A2$A.A.A3.A.A.A2$A3.A3.A3.A27.B$34.6A$A.A.A3.A.A.A20.A.2A.A$33.2A
B.B.B$31.BA$32.A$32.B8$A.A5.A.A5.A3.A$35.A$2.A7.A5.A3.A13.A.B$33.A.B$
2.A7.A5.A.A.A11.B.A$31.B.2A.2A$2.A7.A9.A11.B.A3.A$33.B.A.A$A.A.A3.A.A
.A7.A13.B.2A$35.B31$A.A5.A.A.A3.A3.A$33.A5.A$2.A9.A3.A3.A11.A.A.A.A.A
$31.2AB.A.A.B2A$2.A5.A.A.A3.A.A.A11.A.B.A.B.A$31.2A2.B.B2.2A$2.A9.A7.
A15.B2$A.A.A3.A.A.A7.A12$A.A5.A.A.A3.A.A.A$35.B$2.A5.A7.A3.A16.B.2B$
31.B4.B3.B3.AB$2.A5.A.A.A3.A.A.A11.2B2.B2.B$31.A.B3.B$2.A9.A3.A3.A11.
A.3B.A$33.A.B.A$A.A.A3.A.A.A3.A.A.A13.A.A!
Edit 4: Forgot to mention a P121 and a P41:

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x = 44, y = 24, rule = Symbiosis
6.A$6.B33.2A$41.AB$40.2A$41.A$40.2AB$39.2A$39.3A6$37.3A$.AB7.BA26.A$A
B9.BA$B2.2A3.2A2.B20.AB7.BA$2.2A5.2A22.B9.B$.A.3A.3A.A$B.A.2A.2A.A.B
21.9A$.B.3A.3A.B21.B.7A.B$2.B.A3.A.B23.B.A3.A.B$3.B.A.A.B25.B.3A.B$4.
B.A.B27.B.A.B!
Edit 5: P37, P8, P14, P9:

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x = 67, y = 13, rule = Symbiosis
3.B19.A17.A3.A15.A.B.A$.B.A.B17.B16.A.A.A.A15.B.B$B.A.A.B14.5B14.2A3.
2A$.2A.2A14.B.B.B.B15.B.B$20.B.B.B.B$.5A15.B3.B$.A.A.A14.A.3B.A36.B$
3.A17.A.A.A36.3B$3.B39.B17.B3.B$42.3B15.A.3B.A$41.B3.B15.A.A.A$40.A.
3B.A$41.A.A.A!
Edit 6: Wait what

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x = 56, y = 22, rule = Symbiosis
47.AB2.B$18.A27.AB2.A.B$18.A27.B4.A.B$18.A29.A3.A.B$7.A21.A18.A4.A.B$
6.A7.A7.A7.A4.A2.A10.2A3.A$6.A2.2A3.A7.A3.2A2.A4.A3.A14.2A$3.2A4.A4.
2A5.2A4.A4.2A.A2.A10.2A3.A$AB.A2.2A21.2A2.A14.A4.A.B$3.2A8.A9.A8.2A
14.A3.A.B$5.7A.A9.A.7A14.B4.A.B$46.AB2.A.B$5.7A.A9.A.7A15.AB2.B$3.2A
8.A9.A8.2A$AB.A2.2A21.2A2.A.BA$3.2A4.A4.2A5.2A4.A4.2A$6.A2.2A3.A7.A3.
2A2.A$6.A7.A7.A7.A$7.A21.A$18.A$18.A$18.A!

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Hdjensofjfnen » September 13th, 2020, 9:54 pm

A versatile catalyst found in many oscillators:

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x = 5, y = 8, rule = Symbiosis
2.B$AB.BA$2.B3$2B$.2B$B!
The rule also seems to have a seemingly endless trove of high-period oscillators, so many that I don't think it'll ever be possible to enumerate them all:
p21:

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x = 9, y = 7, rule = Symbiosis
2.ABA2B$5.B.B$AB.B.B.BA$.B2.2B.B$6.B$AB.3B.A$4.BA!
p130:

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x = 11, y = 12, rule = Symbiosis
3.2B.2A.B$2.A.2B.3BA$7.B2.A2$5.B$4.B$3.B$B2.B$4.B$3.2B$2B.2B$2.B!
p173:

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x = 6, y = 4, rule = Symbiosis
.B.A$B.B.BA$B.B.2B$A2B2.B!
p36 glider gun with similar mechanism:

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x = 6, y = 12, rule = Symbiosis
.B.A$B.B.BA$B.B.2B$A2B.B$3.B6$3.A$3.B!

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x = 5, y = 9, rule = B3-jqr/S01c2-in3
3bo$4bo$o2bo$2o2$2o$o2bo$4bo$3bo!

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x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S2-i3-y4i
4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 15th, 2020, 7:03 pm

wwei23 wrote:
September 13th, 2020, 8:48 am
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 7:11 pm
Given any Symbiosis pattern, it is possible to construct a StateInvestigator pattern that does the same thing.
Proof? I'm interested.
Sorry, it's "Given any Symbiosis pattern where one color is stationary"
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 15th, 2020, 7:20 pm

Layz Boi wrote:
September 13th, 2020, 12:27 pm
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 12th, 2020, 7:11 pm
Given any Symbiosis pattern, it is possible to construct a StateInvestigator pattern that does the same thing.
Oh really? Care to give these two oscillators a go? :wink:

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x = 59, y = 88, rule = Symbiosis
2.A$3.2B15.A$4.3A13.B$4.A$.A3.3AB2.BA$A.A3.A$A2.A14.3B.AB$.2A9.2B4.B.
B.A$18.B2.B$12.B6.B.A$12.B5.A$12.B$4.B$3.B.B$4.B12$34.A$34.B2$33.A4.B
$30.A.A.4A$30.3A2.2A$32.BA3.A.B$34.3A2.A$33.2A$33.2A.A$33.4A4$6.BA$3.
B$4.A2.3A17.A.A$3.2A.5A16.2A$3.A3.A.A.A16.A$AB.2A5.2A$3.A2.A3.A$4.2AB
30.A$5.A32.2B$4.2A29.A2.2B$34.B.2B$16.A.A16.3B$17.2A17.B$17.A7$41.A$40.
2A$40.A.A2$53.2A$53.A$52.B2A$48.A3.A2.A$47.2A5.2A.BA$30.A16.A.A.A3.A$
30.2A16.5A.2A$29.A.A17.3A2.A$55.B$51.AB4$22.4A$22.A.2A$24.2A$19.A2.3A
$19.B.A3.AB$22.2A2.3A$21.4A.A.A$20.B4.A2$24.B$24.A!
Sorry, the statement is false. A Symbiosis pattern can be StateInvestigated if only one color moves, and the other is stationary.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 15th, 2020, 7:22 pm

To avoid confusion, my conjectures are:

Given any Symbiosis pattern, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made. (Counterex found)
Given any Symbiosis pattern that is an OSCILLATOR, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made. (Counterex found)
Given any Symbiosis pattern where ONE COLOR IS STATIONARY, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made. (Open)
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by wwei23 » September 15th, 2020, 7:47 pm

I've been messing around with that phase shift reaction:

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x = 13, y = 14, rule = Symbiosis
6.A$7.2B$4.A3.B$3.B.B2$4.3B2$.2B2.2A4.B$B.B7.A.B$.B.A4.A2.A$9.A.AB$.B
.A4.A2.A$B.B7.A.B$.2B2.2A4.B!
Edit: Some interesting reactions:

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x = 37, y = 123, rule = Symbiosis
27.A.A$28.2B4.B$34.A14$14.A2B3.2BA$16.A3.A14.BA$3.BA11.B3.B13.BA$36.B
$36.A16$17.A.A$16.B.B.B18$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.
2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.
2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.
A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA$18.B$17.B.B$6.2B9.
B.B9.2B$5.A2B9.B.B9.2BA!

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 15th, 2020, 11:18 pm

wwei23 wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 7:47 pm
Edit: Some interesting reactions:

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x = 37, y = 123, rule = Symbiosis
27.A.A$28.2B4.B$34.A14$14.A2B3.2BA$16.A3.A14.BA$3.BA11.B3.B13.BA$36.B
$36.A16$17.A.A$16.B.B.B18$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.
2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.
2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.
A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA3$6.2B21.2B$5.A2B21.2BA5$AB33.BA$18.B$17.B.B$6.2B9.
B.B9.2B$5.A2B9.B.B9.2BA!
That pattern only has one moving color, so my conjecture states that it can be turned into StateInvestigator. And, here it is:

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x = 35, y = 123, rule = StateInvestigator
26.E2DE2$32.E13$34.E$3.2E7.E9.E10.ED$4.E9.EDE.EDE12.D$3.2E28.E2$34.E
14$15.E3.E$15.E3.E$15.DEDED18$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA21.ADE$5.DA21.AD$5.E
23.E4$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA21.ADE$5.DA21.AD$5.E23.E4$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA
21.ADE$5.DA21.AD$5.E23.E4$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA21.ADE$5.DA21.AD$5.E23.E
4$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA21.ADE$5.DA21.AD$5.E23.E4$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA21.AD
E$5.DA21.AD$5.E23.E4$D33.D$E33.E2$4.EDA21.ADE$5.DA21.AD$5.E23.E4$D33.
D$E16.A16.E$16.A.A$4.EDA9.A.A9.ADE$5.DA9.A.A9.AD$5.E23.E!
Is there a counterexample to my third conjecture?
Given any Symbiosis pattern where ONE COLOR IS STATIONARY, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by wwei23 » September 15th, 2020, 11:39 pm

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 11:18 pm
Is there a counterexample to my third conjecture?
Given any Symbiosis pattern where ONE COLOR IS STATIONARY, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made.
I think it's true. All immortal cells of the moving color in Symbiosis (the ones touching the non-moving colored cells) can be made into immortal cells in StateInvestigator, and anywhere dead with at least one cell of each color can become a birth blocker cell. Fortunately for you, Symbiosis's dual-moving-colored side is pretty hard to take advantage of, and even then, there's a good chance that it can still be converted to StateInvestigator. The dual-color phase shift I posted should be convertible to StateInvestigator, but the glider loop wasn't because some cells were alive in some states and birth-blocked in others, making conversion possible. I now propose a stronger version of your conjecture:
Any Symbiosis pattern where no cell is alive at some point in time and alive in the other color or birth-blocked in another point in time, and where no new immortal cells are created, can be converted to an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern.

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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 16th, 2020, 12:09 am

wwei23 wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 11:39 pm
Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 15th, 2020, 11:18 pm
Is there a counterexample to my third conjecture?
Given any Symbiosis pattern where ONE COLOR IS STATIONARY, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made.
I think it's true. All immortal cells of the moving color in Symbiosis (the ones touching the non-moving colored cells) can be made into immortal cells in StateInvestigator, and anywhere dead with at least one cell of each color can become a birth blocker cell. Fortunately for you, Symbiosis's dual-moving-colored side is pretty hard to take advantage of, and even then, there's a good chance that it can still be converted to StateInvestigator. The dual-color phase shift I posted should be convertible to StateInvestigator, but the glider loop wasn't because some cells were alive in some states and birth-blocked in others, making conversion possible. I now propose a stronger version of your conjecture:
Any Symbiosis pattern where no cell is alive at some point in time and alive in the other color or birth-blocked in another point in time, and where no new immortal cells are created, can be converted to an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern.
The Four Conjectures:
1. Given any Symbiosis pattern, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made. (Counterex found)
2. Given any Symbiosis pattern that is an OSCILLATOR, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made. (Counterex found)
3. Given any Symbiosis pattern where ONE COLOR IS STATIONARY, an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern can be made. (Proven true)
4. Any Symbiosis pattern where no cell is alive at some point in time and alive in the other color or birth-blocked in another point in time, and where no new immortal cells are created, can be converted to an equivalent StateInvestigator pattern. (Open)
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Layz Boi » September 17th, 2020, 1:11 am

I'll just go through and attempt to check what can be described in both symbiosis and a simplified version of stateinvestigator that only has off, on, the eternally-on-white-cells and the eternally-off-dark-grey-cells. I'm not a fan of writing long-winded, detailed explanations in casual settings, so expect a lot of Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V.

For both rules, here's a list of re-named cell states that can be used to describe the rules, so I can type fewer words:
"NOF" = off under normal B3/S23 rules (yellow/red/green color doesn't matter)
"NON" = on under normal B3/S23 rules (yellow/red/green color doesn't matter)
"SOF" = off in symbiosis having both red and yellow cells adjacent to it
"SON" = on in symbiosis having an adjacent red cell if yellow, or an adjacent yellow cell if red
"IOF" = off being an eternal off cell from stateInvestigator
"ION" = on being an eternal on cell from stateInvestigator

**Note, there is overlap where a cell can be both NOF & SOF in symbiosis, or both NON and SON. So under some circumstances, they are interchangeable.
**Note, there is overlap where a cell can be both NOF & IOF in stateInvestigator, or both NON and ION. So under some circumstances, they are interchangeable.

Unless I missed some, here are all the possible changes(or lack there of) in a cell's state through time, in any symbiosis pattern: (any listed in the left side can become any listed on the right)
NOF -> (NOF,NON,SOF,SON)
NON -> (NOF,NON) - Before anyone asks; "NON->(SOF,SON)" is impossible. A cell of the other color cannot be turned on, adjacent to it
SOF -> (NOF,SOF)
SON -> (SON)

Here's the same for stateInvestigator: "
NOF -> (NOF,NON)
NON -> (NOF,NON)
IOF -> (IOF)
ION -> (ION)

So, under what circumstances can I map cell changes(or lack there of) from symbiosis to stateInvestigator?
NOF -> (NOF,NON) - Obviously they both can describe B3/S23
NON -> (NOF,NON) - Obviously they both can describe B3/S23
SON -> (SON) - this is effectively the same as ION -> (ION)
NOF -> (SON) - Only if the SON, at all generations, can be described as a NON as well, for there is no way to go from NOF to ION in stateInvestigator
(SOF,NOF) -> (NOF,SOF) - Under two circum stances these can happen. If the SOF can be described as a NOF as well, its fine, otherwise, it would become NON under B3/S23 rules in stateInvestigator. Alternatively, if this cell is never on at any time, it is the same as an IOF in stateInvestigator.

Anyway, that should cover all possible patterns in symbiosis that are the same in a simplified stateInvestigator, in that, all on/off cells in one rule are on/off respectively, in both rules for every generation.
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by Entity Valkyrie 2 » September 17th, 2020, 5:17 am

E.g. if the primary moving color is red, then this catalyst in Symbiosis:

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x = 3, y = 8, rule = Symbiosis
.B$.A4$2A$.2A$A!
becomes this in StateInvestigator:

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x = 3, y = 9, rule = StateInvestigator
3E$E.E$EDE4$2A$.2A$A!
(of course for this example, not all of the dark gray cells in StateInvestigator are needed, only two are.)
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Re: Symbiosis

Post by wwei23 » September 17th, 2020, 8:43 am

Entity Valkyrie 2 wrote:
September 17th, 2020, 5:17 am
E.g. if the primary moving color is red, then this catalyst in Symbiosis:

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RLE of a Symbiosis catalyst
becomes this in StateInvestigator:

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RLE of an equivalent StateInvestigator catalyst
(of course for this example, not all of the dark gray cells in StateInvestigator are needed, only two are.)
P.S. I chose green for the color of Life in StateInvestigator because LifeHistory uses green.
I believe that that's right.

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