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melwin22

Pattern got cut off, but I see where are you going. This has enormous potential, but could you prove that it ever stabilizes? Because I run some tests on calcyman's "machine" and I think I found a flaw. First, without switch engine breeder: x = 369, y = 464, rule = B3/S23 150bo$151bob2obobo$145b3o3b...

melwin22

As i wrote in first post,

FI score ~= 25 million, much bigger than anything mentioned above (except the engineered enormous calcyman's one).

I KNOW that calcyman's pattern has bigger FI than mine, but it is engineered, and mine is natural.

melwin22

Yes, but not by FI. Yours has FI of 11.2 million, over 2 times less than mine. I'm not going for FIG record, even the previous one (135.8 ) was much bigger than FIG of my pattern.

melwin22

So... no higher FI score than mine?

More precise numbers: I=MCPS=5, F=126332900 (+-400, oscillating), G=526980 (+-10, really hard to tell), F/I =~ 25266580, F/(I*G) =~ 47.9

After stabilizing:

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melwin22

I run this for a few hours: x = 3, y = 6, rule = B2in34-ajnrt5cekqy678/S12n34ceijqz5678 b2o2$2o2$o$o! and it unfortunately might never stop growing, because new wickstretchers are appearing quite often. After 722k gens it has a population of 489 million. EDIT: similar results here: x = 4, y = 4, rul...

melwin22

x = 654, y = 653, rule = B2a3a/S03-i45678 326bo325$653bo$o325b2o$326b2o325$327bo! Extendable without altering initial pop, just move the single cells further away from the block. You guys can figure the numbers I guess. This is 100% cheating. It's rather obvious that you can put two puffers on a co...

melwin22

Kinda old topic, but I think I found smth. Probably record-breaking natural FI score, though not the fig index. x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2in34-ajnrt5cekqy678/S12n34ceijqz5678 3bo$obo$bo$2bo! I promise it stabilizes :) even if it doesn't look like stabilizing in any time. Pattern stops growing completel...

melwin22

This rule That rule reminds me of Castles. asymmetric 6 cells -> like a gazillion cells x = 4, y = 13, rule = B2in34-ajnrt5cekqy678/S12n34ceijqwz5678 3bo$3bo8$3bo$obo2$2bo! Yeah, it's basically Castles + every single birth condition and every single stable condition that don't cause everything to e...

melwin22

Is this rule explosive? EDIT: removing B4c stabilizes traffic light, but it still stucks my apgsearch. Why? x = 187, y = 31, rule = B2kn3-cnq4ijknqwy5aei6ein/S23-a4-aejrw5eij6i 144b3o14bo$145b3o12b4o$162bo$105bo$103b5o$74bo3bo$75bo2bo26bo$76b2obo 24b3o$77bob2o$78b2o3$105bo$105bo5$3o$obo$3o7$182bob2...

melwin22

Probably not known?

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3aijn5c/S13jnr
2o$obo$o!

melwin22

This rule x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2in34-ajnrt5cekqy678/S12n34ceijqwz5678 b2ob3o$4b3obo$b2o3bo$4ob5o$ob3obob2o$3b3o2b2o$2o2b3o$2o3b3obo$ob2o2b2o bo$b3ob2o! produces really big and beautiful diagonally symmetric patterns from very few cells. For example, 5 to almost 600k: x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2in34-a...

melwin22

Yeah, that page... Contains very little information though. All pages in "learn more" section don't exist. Fig index is used only here, in "Non-totalistic CA Growth Challenge" and nowhere else. Why?

Also, how high Fig index a pattern should have to consider it "worth noticing"?

melwin22

Smaller Fig index (about 1.67), but MUCH more complex behaviour

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x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2ce3ai4a5a/S1c3-a4567c8
6o2bo$3ob6o$b9o$4o2b4o$4ob5o$ob7o$2b5ob2o$3ob2obobo$2ob7o$b2ob6o!

Also, "Fig index" seems to be a parameter created and used only on this forum, only on one topic. Why does it matter?

melwin22

Even more chaotic (probably)

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x = 10, y = 7, rule = B2ce4-cint67e8/S14567
bobo2bobo$2bo4bo$10o$b2o4b2o$b3o3b2o$b2o3bo2bo$9bo!

at about 81k gens a breeder-like pattern occurs, which causes much quicker population growth, and everything much quicker becomes impossible to simulate.

Nice rule though

melwin22

Nice p49 there, Layz Boi! How did you find it?

Also, I'm wondering if Castles have any guns. Not only I could not construct any, but I didn't see any of these ships - even the simplest ones - to occur naturally.

melwin22

Everything I discovered so far in this rule (Some discoveries were already uploaded on several topics) Most apgsearch-size soups (about 90%) will grow to big clusters - "castles" - of average population about 250k. There will be a few holes inside - "chambers" - and some oscillators on the outer wal...

melwin22

from spiral-growth.rle: 8 cells x = 6, y = 4, rule = B34568/S15678 2bobo$2bo2bo$o2bo$bobo! 5*4 bounding box: x = 5, y = 4, rule = B34568/S15678 2bobo$obobo$2o$b2o! Nice! Much less complex grotwh than mine, too. Some interesting oscillators in "Castles" -highest natural-occuring period: 51 x = 20, y...

melwin22

That rule has this, if you want to work with it: x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3678/S135678 6bo2bobobobo2bo$7b11o$7b11o$6b13o$7b11o$7b12o$5b13o$5b14o$3b15o$3b16o$ b17o$b17o$11o2bobo2bo$b10o$b8o$9o$4o2bo$b2o! I'm working with it for like 3 months... "Castles" have at least four different diagonal wickstre...

melwin22

Smallest predecessors that I found to a linear spacefiller in my "Castles" rule: -smallest bounding box (6x6) x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3678/S135678 bob3o$6o$bob3o$3obo$6o$3obo! -smallest population (14) x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3678/S135678 15bo$14bo2$4bo$3b2obo2$4bo3$11bo2$9bob2o$11bo2$bo$o! 99.9% sure...

melwin22

MCPS=2, L=672 (infinite growth, but linear - and it's very easy to find when it becomes regular) x = 2, y = 2, rule = B1e2i3cky4acjkw5cny/S12-e3jkr4artw5jy6 bo$o! More complicated regularization (maybe it's better word than "stabilization" in this case), but also linear growth; L=3695 x = 2, y = 2, ...

melwin22

Interesting.

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x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2ae3r/S1e
o$bob2o$4bo$bo$b2obo$5bo!

Bigger and bigger packs of bigger and more complex oscillators in fractal-ish pattern.

A bit too explosive rule IMO

melwin22

again about this L=128 x = 1, y = 1, rule = B1e2i3k4acjw5ny7e8/S12-e3jkry4artw5y6c o! I've simplified it a bit, lifespan stays the same x = 1, y = 1, rule = B1e2i3k4ajw5y8/S12-e3jkry4artw5y6c o! and if we allow infinite growth, this takes about 197 gens to stabilize if I'm counting correctly x = 1, ...

melwin22

Yes, I have golly, but I didn't know about ather algorithms. Thanks

The uber-methuselah which has lifespan of 7*10^15 is really neat, but its population still grows to infinity, and that was supposed to be not allowed. We can open a new topic for infinite-growing patterns probably?

melwin22

@melwin22: Here's a fairly long-lived MCPS=3 methuselah in an OT rule x = 3, y = 2, rule = B38/S12345678 obo$bo! L=2109 I thought that infinite growth is not allowed. And - guys, how do you even simulate this things for billions of generations? O.O EDIT: non-infinite growth, L=81. x = 3, y = 2, rul...

melwin22

it adds another layer EDIT: and yet another: L=128 x = 1, y = 1, rule = B1e2i3k4acjw5ny7e8/S12-e3jkry4artw5y6c o! So this is much better than MCP=2 L=92, mentioned in first post as "record". Great work! In outer-totallistic rules, MCP=1 will either explode to infinity or disappear immediately, so t...

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