Talk:Puffer

Growing spaceships

Aren't puffers degenerate cases of growing spaceships where the back end moves at c/Infinity? -wwei23 10:12PM 9/30/2015 NY time

Yes, of course. To the same extent as a still-life is a degenerate breeder. Codeholic (talk) 06:13, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

And to the extent that an oscillator is a 0c spaceship. -wwei23 3:34PM 6/3/2017 NY time

New puffer I found

I don't know where to put this, but I seem to have found a puffer made of 2 glider puffers and a blinker puffer. It may be used because it creats ash that interupts the front stream of gliders at certain intervals:

a_n=44+175(9^n+1)

Where n>3. I was thinking of putting 2 one-time eaters (blocks, perhaps) at the first two intervals (gen 165, gen 1535), then making a c/8 spaceship interact with the gliders.

Again, I don't know if this is notable, but the RLE is at [1]

Thanks, and let me know if this is in the wrong section --2x2 (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Crazy puffer

x = 354, y = 436, rule = B3/S23
101b3o3b3o$100bo2bo3bo2bo$103bo3bo$103bo3bo$100bobo5bobo2$104b3o$104b
3o$103bobobo4$96b3o7b2o4bo$95bo2bo12b3o$98bo11b2obo$94bo3bo11b3o$94bo
3bo4bobo4b3o$98bo5b2o4b3o$95bobo6bo6b2o3$123bo5bo$122b3o3b3o$93bo5bo
22bob2ob2obo$92b3o3b3o22b3ob3o$91b2obo3bob2o21b2o3b2o$91b3o5b3o$92b2o
5b2o25bo$125bobo$96bo27bo3bo$95b3o28bo$94bo3bo$87b3o$86bo2bo44bo$89bo
4b2ob2o10bobo6b3o12b3o$85bo3bo6bo13b2o6bo2bo10b2obo$85bo3bo14b3o3bo7bo
13b3o$89bo13bo2bo11bo3bo9b3o$86bobo17bo11bo3bo3bo5b3o$106bo11bo7bobo4b
2o$92b3o4bo3bobo13bobo4b2o$95b2obob2o$83b3o5bo3b2obob2o$83bo2bo4bob2o
5b2o$83bo7b2o3bo2bo$83bo7bo4b2o$84bobo4bo2bo$91bo2bo$91bo3bo9b2o$96bo
9b2o$92bo2bo9bo$94bo$115bobo$116b2o$111b2o3bo$112b2o$111bo8bo$120bobo$
120b2o8$167b3o3b3o$166bo2bo3bo2bo$169bo3bo$169bo3bo$166bobo5bobo2$170b
3o$170b3o$169bobobo4$164bo4b2o7b3o$163b3o12bo2bo$163bob2o11bo$164b3o
11bo3bo$164b3o4bobo4bo3bo$164b3o4b2o5bo$164b2o6bo6bobo3$147bo5bo$146b
3o3b3o$146bob2ob2obo22bo5bo$147b3ob3o22b3o3b3o$147b2o3b2o21b2obo3bob2o
$175b3o5b3o$150bo25b2o5b2o$149bobo$148bo3bo27bo$150bo28b3o$178bo3bo$
187b3o$142bo44bo2bo$141b3o12b3o6bobo10b2ob2o4bo$141bob2o10bo2bo6b2o13b
o6bo3bo$142b3o13bo7bo3b3o14bo3bo$142b3o9bo3bo11bo2bo13bo$142b3o5bo3bo
3bo11bo17bobo$142b2o4bobo7bo11bo$149b2o4bobo13bobo3bo4b3o$175b2obob2o$
175b2obob2o3bo5b3o$175b2o5b2obo4bo2bo$177bo2bo3b2o7bo$179b2o4bo7bo$
182bo2bo4bobo$182bo2bo$170b2o9bo3bo$169b2o9bo$171bo9bo2bo$182bo$159bob
o$159b2o$160bo3b2o$163b2o$156bo8bo$154bobo$155b2o19$308b4o$307bo3bo$
311bo5b2o$307bo2bo4bo4bo$321bo$315bo5bo$316b6o2$305b7o15b2o$303bo5bo3b
o12b4o$310bo2bo12b2ob2o$302bo3b2o2bo2bo5bo2bo5b2o7b2o$303bobo5b2o6bo3b
o11bo4bo$304bo3b2ob2o5bo4b2o16bo$308bo10bo3bo11bo5bo$311b2o6bo2bo5b2o
6b6o$309bo3bo12b2ob2o$310b3o13b4o19bo2bo$310b3o14b2o24bo$349bo3bo$313b
o2bo20bo7bo4b4o$317bo17b2o9b2o$303bobo7bo3bo18b2o7b3o$304b2o8b4o23bo4b
2o$304bo36bo3bo4b4o$349bo3bo$319bo33bo$317b2o17b4o9bo2bo$297bobo18b2o
15b6o$298b2o35b4ob2o$298bo40b2o2$301bo$299b2o$300b2o$314b6o$313bo5bo$
295b3o21bo$295bo17bo4bo$296bo18b2o13b2o$328b2ob2o$324bo3b4o$325bo3b2o$
313b3o7bo2bo$313bo11bo3b2o$314bo9bo3b4o$328b2ob2o$330b2o2$315b4o$34b2o
278b6o$33b2ob4o274b4ob2o$34b6o278b2o$35b4o2$22b2o$21b2ob2o235b2o$22b4o
3bo9bo217b4ob2o$23b2o3bo11bo216b6o$27bo2bo7b3o217b4o$23b2o3bo$22b4o3bo
243b2o$21b2ob2o245b2ob2o$22b2o13b2o18bo199bo9bo3b4o$35bo4bo17bo197bo
11bo3b2o$34bo21b3o197b3o7bo2bo$34bo5bo227bo3b2o$34b6o227bo3b4o$52b2o
217b2ob2o$53b2o184bo18b2o13b2o$52bo185bo17bo4bo$238b3o21bo$13b2o40bo
200bo5bo$12b2ob4o35b2o201b6o$13b6o15b2o18bobo120bo65b2o$bo2bo9b4o17b2o
140b3o62b2o$o33bo143bo65bo$o3bo$4o4bo3bo36bo191bo40b2o$6b2o4bo23b4o8b
2o191b2o35b4ob2o$6b3o7b2o18bo3bo7bobo189bobo18b2o15b6o$6b2o9b2o17bo
223b2o17b4o9bo2bo$4o4bo7bo20bo2bo221bo33bo$o3bo287bo3bo$o24b2o14b3o
203bo36bo3bo4b4o$bo2bo19b4o13b3o203b2o8b4o23bo4b2o$23b2ob2o12bo3bo201b
obo7bo3bo18b2o7b3o$12b6o6b2o5bo2bo6b2o217bo17b2o9b2o$12bo5bo11bo3bo10b
o210bo2bo20bo7bo4b4o$12bo16b2o4bo5b2ob2o3bo242bo3bo$13bo4bo11bo3bo6b2o
5bobo202b3o14b2o24bo$15b2o7b2o5bo2bo5bo2bo2b2o3bo201b3o13b4o19bo2bo$
23b2ob2o12bo2bo208bo3bo12b2ob2o$24b4o12bo3bo5bo203b2o6bo2bo5b2o6b6o$
25b2o15b7o202bo10bo3bo11bo5bo$247bo3b2ob2o5bo4b2o16bo$32b6o208bobo5b2o
6bo3bo11bo4bo$32bo5bo206bo3b2o2bo2bo5bo2bo5b2o7b2o$32bo220bo2bo12b2ob
2o$33bo4bo4bo2bo199bo5bo3bo12b4o$35b2o5bo205b7o15b2o$42bo3bo$42b4o213b
6o$258bo5bo$264bo$250bo2bo4bo4bo$254bo5b2o$250bo3bo$251b4o40$50b4o$50b
o3bo$43b2o5bo$41bo4bo4bo2bo$40bo$40bo5bo$40b6o2$33b2o15b7o$32b4o12bo3b
o5bo$31b2ob2o12bo2bo$23b2o7b2o5bo2bo5bo2bo2b2o3bo$21bo4bo11bo3bo6b2o5b
obo$20bo16b2o4bo5b2ob2o3bo$20bo5bo11bo3bo10bo$20b6o6b2o5bo2bo6b2o$31b
2ob2o12bo3bo$9bo2bo19b4o13b3o$8bo24b2o14b3o$8bo3bo$8b4o4bo7bo20bo2bo$
14b2o9b2o17bo$14b3o7b2o18bo3bo7bobo$14b2o4bo23b4o8b2o$8b4o4bo3bo36bo$
8bo3bo$8bo33bo163b2o$9bo2bo9b4o17b2o160bobo$21b6o15b2o18bobo142bo8bo$
20b2ob4o35b2o150b2o$21b2o40bo147bo3b2o$210b2o$60bo149bobo$61b2o170bo$
60b2o160bo9bo2bo$42b6o172b2o9bo$42bo5bo172b2o9bo3bo$42bo21b3o166bo2bo$
43bo4bo17bo166bo2bo4bobo$30b2o13b2o18bo164b2o4bo7bo$29b2ob2o194bo2bo3b
2o7bo$30b4o3bo188b2o5b2obo4bo2bo$31b2o3bo189b2obob2o3bo5b3o$35bo2bo7b
3o177b2obob2o$31b2o3bo11bo151b2o4bobo13bobo3bo4b3o$30b4o3bo9bo145b2o4b
obo7bo11bo$29b2ob2o159b3o5bo3bo3bo11bo17bobo$30b2o161b3o9bo3bo11bo2bo
13bo$193b3o13bo7bo3b3o14bo3bo$43b4o145bob2o10bo2bo6b2o13bo6bo3bo$42b6o
144b3o12b3o6bobo10b2ob2o4bo$41b2ob4o145bo44bo2bo$42b2o194b3o$229bo3bo$
201bo28b3o$199bo3bo27bo$200bobo$201bo25b2o5b2o$226b3o5b3o$198b2o3b2o
21b2obo3bob2o$198b3ob3o22b3o3b3o$197bob2ob2obo22bo5bo$197b3o3b3o$198bo
5bo3$215b2o6bo6bobo$215b3o4b2o5bo$215b3o4bobo4bo3bo$215b3o11bo3bo$214b
ob2o11bo$214b3o12bo2bo$215bo4b2o7b3o4$220bobobo$221b3o$221b3o2$217bobo
5bobo$220bo3bo$220bo3bo$217bo2bo3bo2bo$218b3o3b3o2$172b2o$172bobo$163b
o8bo$164b2o$163b2o3bo$168b2o$167bobo$146bo$144bo2bo9bo$148bo9b2o$143bo
3bo9b2o$143bo2bo$136bobo4bo2bo$135bo7bo4b2o$135bo7b2o3bo2bo$135bo2bo4b
ob2o5b2o$135b3o5bo3b2obob2o$147b2obob2o$144b3o4bo3bobo13bobo4b2o$158bo
11bo7bobo4b2o$138bobo17bo11bo3bo3bo5b3o$141bo13bo2bo11bo3bo9b3o$137bo
3bo14b3o3bo7bo13b3o$137bo3bo6bo13b2o6bo2bo10b2obo$141bo4b2ob2o10bobo6b
3o12b3o$138bo2bo44bo$139b3o$146bo3bo$147b3o28bo$148bo27bo3bo$177bobo$
144b2o5b2o25bo$143b3o5b3o$143b2obo3bob2o21b2o3b2o$144b3o3b3o22b3ob3o$
145bo5bo22bob2ob2obo$174b3o3b3o$175bo5bo3$147bobo6bo6b2o$150bo5b2o4b3o
$146bo3bo4bobo4b3o$146bo3bo11b3o$150bo11b2obo$147bo2bo12b3o$148b3o7b2o
4bo4$155bobobo$156b3o$156b3o2$152bobo5bobo$155bo3bo$155bo3bo$152bo2bo
3bo2bo$153b3o3b3o!

Because the four streams of debris keep modifying each other, I believe that anything can happen here. I've already seen a middleweight spaceship come from the debris. What's elegant is that the debris won't ever catch up. The rakes are moving as fast as possible. -wwei23 3:32PM 6/3/2017 NY time

This seems to me like another minor misuse of the Talk pages -- something that should really be posted on the conwaylife.com forums, preferably in the Sandbox. It's not a puffer (because it doesn't move like a spaceship, it just expands). It behaves more or less like other novelty generators that people have investigated over the years. Yes, anything could happen, but this specific pattern doesn't make interesting occurrences very likely, as far as I can see. It's possible to produce a lot more novelty from simpler starting conditions.

In any case... if it's not a puffer, what is it doing here in the Puffer talk page? Almost nobody will ever see it here, anyway -- much better to find a place on the forums, and get feedback from others on whether it's new or notable. Dvgrn (talk) 22:52, 3 June 2017 (UTC)