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proposed move to 'Lobster'

Original discussion (2011-2012)

Scot Ellison proposed the name 'lobster' for this pattern, which I have no objections to. I intend to move this page unless someone else has any objections.
~Sokwe 16:33, 13 September 2011 (CDT)

OK --David 00:25, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

There seems to be a problem with naming the ship lobster. Lobster is already a page and an alternate name to breeder 1.--Scot Ellison 11:38, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

I don't think this is a good idea to call another pattern a lobster, if this name has been already reserved. Codeholic 11:49, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

Lobster (spaceship) is workable, but awkward. Another name would be fine, but this diagonal c/7 spaceship is too important to be called 83P7H1V1! 83P7H1V1 is not a nice name.--Scot Ellison 12:12, 14 September 2011 (CDT)

I'm not really convinced that it must have a name. None of the notable 2c/5 orthogonal or c/5 diagonal spaceships have names, for example. Assuming there's some good reason for it, how did spaceships get named in the past? Oh6 00:15, 3 February 2012 (CST)

Patterns are generally named by their discoverer, and my personal preference is that more patterns should have names rather than fewer -- referring to patterns via obtuse acronyms is rather annoying. Since the discoverer of this pattern is Matthias, it's really up to him (though my personal preference is to keep it as Lobster (spaceship)). Nathaniel 15:52, 6 February 2012 (CST)
I agree that more patterns should have names (especially important patterns). As the discoverer of this pattern, I like the name 'lobster' proposed by Scot Ellison, but, unfortunately, it conflicts with an alternate name for the original breeder. I have no problem keeping this page as 'lobster (spaceship)', but there either needs to be a disambiguation page for 'lobster', or breeder 1 needs a note and a link to this page. The note could look something like this:
'Lobster' redirects here. For the c/7 diagonal spaceship, see lobster (spaceship).
~Sokwe 23:03, 10 February 2012 (CST)

Revival (2022)

User:AwesoMan3000 just put a proposed move the other day. From the perspective of a young Life explorer, the name "lobster" has been exclusively used to refer to the c/7d spaceship in modern discussions (e.g. on the forums), and I have not seen any old archive to mention "lobster" as the original breeder (it is not in Lifeline Volume 3, for example). I am in favor of the suggested page move and edit, but before doing that I would like to see an explanation for how "lobster" was previously coined for the quadratic growth pattern. (This should be a reference in the other page.)GUYTU6J (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Checking the page's history shows that "lobster" was added in June of 2010 by a since-deleted account. Absolutely nothing else happened in that edit, not even a source or indication of its use elsewhere, leading me to believe that it was some random neologism that got added to the page and unaccountably caused a conflict a year later due to people thinking the name was notable. I've added a citation needed tag after it, and if nobody can bring any proof of the term being used prior to that editor adding it in a week or so then it's getting removed for good (and the disambiguation page might end up getting marked for deletion as well, since there'd be no more ambiguity to the term "lobster" at all). - AwesoMan3000 (talk) 12:57, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
"Lobster" does not occur in the LifeCA mailing list archive, nor in the comments for the breeder in Alan Hensel's Lifebc or lifep collections. I'm inclined to agree that the use of "lobster" for the original breeder was a neologism. I support moving this page to Lobster and deleting Lobster (disambiguation).
~Sokwe 13:41, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
I should add that the "Lobster" redirect (which was later changed to the disambiguation; the current lobster redirect is newer) was created five days prior to the term being added to the page, if this detail is of any importance. - AwesoMan3000 (talk) 13:46, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree that the time has come to make the move to Lobster. Book (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

As it's now been a month since the start of this discussion, and there has been no opposition, should the move be made? - AwesoMan3000 (talk) 13:57, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Interestingly, this citogenesis case has not been solved up to now. We need an admin to delete the current Lobster and Lobster (disambiguation) pages so that the Lobster (spaceship) can be moved to Lobster. GUYTU6J (talk) 23:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I was aware of all this talk, but it appeared that nothing was going to happen, so a partial measure seemed a good step. Book (talk) 16:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks to Dave Greene, lobster nets have been untangled Book (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2022 (UTC)