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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Awesomeness » September 17th, 2010, 4:40 pm

Your complete synthesis:
x = 164, y = 167, rule = B3/S23
115bo$114bo$114b3o3$161bo$161bobo$161b2o28$60bobo$60b2o$61bo12$19bo$2b
o17bo$obo15b3o$b2o13$58bo$57bo$57b3o3$44b3o$45bo$43bob3o6$63b2o$63bobo
$63bo12$15b3o$17bo$16bo41bo$57b2o$57bobo7$23b2o$22bobo$24bo5$81b2o$80b
2o$82bo37$41b3o$41bo2bo$41bo$41bo$42bobo11$134b2o10b2o$134bobo9bobo$
134bo11bo!

If you want I can replace the LWSS with 3 gliders.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » September 17th, 2010, 5:40 pm

Easy for me to do:
x = 164, y = 167, rule = B3/S23
115bo$114bo$114b3o3$161bo$161bobo$161b2o28$60bobo$60b2o$61bo12$19bo$2b
o17bo$obo15b3o$b2o13$58bo$57bo$57b3o11$63b2o$63bobo$63bo12$15b3o$17bo$
16bo41bo$57b2o$57bobo7$23b2o$22bobo$24bo5$81b2o$80b2o$82bo28$50bo$48b
2o$49b2o2$37b3o$39bo$38bo2$45b2o$44b2o$46bo14$134b2o10b2o$134bobo9bobo
$134bo11bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby dvgrn » September 17th, 2010, 6:02 pm

x = 164, y = 167, rule = B3/S23 [16 gliders]

That looks a little more complicated than it needs to be. You can sneak in and reproduce the key still lifes from a later stage of the reaction, which lets you skip building the Herschel entirely. Saves seven gliders and a couple hundred ticks:

#C blocker from 9 gliders synchronized in pairs
x = 45, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
12bo$4bo6bo$3bo7b3o$3b3o6$6bo$5bo8bo$5b3o5bo$13b3o4$3o$o$bo14$8b3o$8bo
$9bo4$17bo$16b2o$16bobo5$32b3o$32bo$33bo20$42b3o$42bo$43bo!

There are known blocker constructions with as few as six gliders, but all six need to be synchronized with each other. (Maybe there are other known variants with fewer synchronization requirements, but they aren't in the stamp collection on Mark Niemiec's web site.) The nice thing about this recipe is that it could actually be programmed into a Gemini-style two-arm constructor -- you only need to send in two gliders at a time from two directions. Plus I really like the way the blocker pops up out of nowhere...!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Awesomeness » September 18th, 2010, 8:35 pm

Bakery maker and mango maker:
x = 383, y = 406, rule = B3/S23
342b2o$343bo$342bo$341bo$340bo$339bo$338bo$337bo$336bo$335bo$334bo$
333bo$332bo$331bo$330bo$329bo$328bo$327bo$326bo$325bo$324bo$323bo$322b
o$321bo$320bo$319bo$318bo$317bo$316bo64b2o$315bo66bo$314bo66bo$313bo
66bo$312bo66bo$311bo66bo$310bo66bo$309bo66bo$308bo66bo$307bo66bo$306bo
66bo$305bo66bo$304bo66bo$303bo66bo$302bo66bo$301bo66bo$300bo66bo$299bo
66bo$298bo66bo$297bo66bo$296bo66bo$295bo66bo$294bo66bo$293bo66bo$292bo
66bo$291bo66bo$290bo66bo$289bo66bo$288bo66bo$287bo66bo$286bo66bo$285bo
66bo$284bo66bo$283bo66bo$282bo66bo$281bo66bo$280bo66bo$279bo66bo$278bo
66bo$277bo66bo$276bo66bo$275bo66bo$274bo66bo$273bo66bo$272bo66bo$271bo
66bo$270bo66bo$269bo66bo$268bo66bo$267bo66bo$266bo66bo$265bo66bo$264bo
66bo$263bo66bo$262bo66bo$261bo66bo$260bo66bo$259bo66bo$258bo66bo$257bo
66bo$256bo66bo$255bo66bo$254bo66bo$253bo66bo$252bo66bo$251bo66bo$250bo
66bo$249bo66bo$248bo66bo$247bo66bo$246bo66bo$245bo66bo$244bo66bo$243bo
66bo$242bo66bo$241bo66bo$240bo66bo$239bo66bo$238bo66bo$237bo66bo$236bo
66bo$235bo66bo$234bo66bo$233bo66bo$232bo66bo$231bo66bo$230bo66bo$229bo
66bo$228bo66bo$227bo66bo$226bo66bo$225bo66bo$224bo66bo$223bo66bo$222bo
66bo$221bo66bo$220bo66bo$219bo66bo$218bo66bo$217bo66bo$216bo66bo$215bo
66bo$214bo66bo$213bo66bo$212bo66bo$211bo66bo$210bo66bo$209bo66bo$208bo
66bo$207bo66bo$206bo66bo$205bo66bo$204bo66bo$203bo66bo$202bo66bo$201bo
66bo$200bo66bo$199bo66bo$198bo66bo$197bo66bo$196bo66bo$195bo66bo$194bo
66bo$193bo66bo$192bo66bo$191bo66bo$190bo66bo$189bo66bo$188bo66bo$187bo
66bo$186bo66bo$185bo66bo$184bo66bo$183bo66bo$182bo66bo$181bo66bo$180bo
66bo$179bo66bo$178bo66bo$177bo66bo$176bo66bo$175bo66bo$174bo66bo$173bo
66bo$172bo66bo$171bo66bo$170bo66bo$169bo66bo$168bo66bo$167bo66bo$166bo
66bo$165bo66bo$164bo66bo$163bo66bo$162bo66bo$161bo66bo$160bo66bo$159bo
66bo$158bo66bo$157bo66bo$156bo66bo$155bo66bo$154bo66bo$153bo66bo$152bo
66bo$151bo66bo$150bo66bo$149bo66bo$148bo66bo$147bo66bo$146bo66bo$145bo
66bo$144bo66bo$143bo66bo$142bo66bo$141bo66bo$140bo66bo$139bo66bo$138bo
66bo$137bo66bo$136bo66bo$135bo66bo$134bo66bo$133bo66bo$132bo66bo$131bo
66bo$130bo66bo$129bo66bo$128bo66bo$127bo66bo$126bo66bo$125bo66bo$124bo
66bo$123bo66bo$122bo66bo$121bo66bo$120bo66bo$119bo66bo$118bo66bo$117bo
66bo$116bo66bo$115bo66bo$114bo66bo$113bo66bo$112bo66bo$111bo66bo$110bo
66bo$109bo66bo$108bo66bo$107bo66bo$106bo66bo$105bo66bo$104bo66bo$103bo
66bo$102bo66bo$101bo66bo$100bo66bo$99bo66bo$98bo66bo$97bo66bo$96bo66bo
$95bo66bo$94bo66bo$93bo66bo$92bo66bo$91bo66bo$90bo66bo$89bo66bo$88bo
66bo$87bo66bo$86bo66bo$85bo66bo$84bo66bo$83bo66bo$82bo66bo$81bo66bo$
80bo66bo$79bo66bo$78bo66bo$77bo66bo$76bo66bo$75bo66bo$74bo66bo$73bo66b
o$72bo66bo$71bo66bo$70bo66bo$69bo66bo$68bo66bo$67bo66bo$66bo66bo$65bo
66bo$64bo66bo$63bo66bo$62bo66bo$61bo66bo$60bo66bo$59bo66bo$58bo66bo$
57bo66bo$56bo66bo$55bo66bo$54bo66bo$53bo66bo$52bo66bo$51bo66bo$50bo66b
o$49bo66bo$48bo66bo$47bo66bo$46bo66bo$45bo66bo$44bo66bo$42b3o65bo$41bo
2bo64bo$44bo63bo$39b2o3bo62bo$39bobobo62bo$37b3o2bo62bo$104bo$34b2o2b
2o63bo$37bob2o61bo$33bobo4bo60bo$33bobo3bo60bo$32bo4b2o60bo$31b2o3b2o
60bo$33bo2b2o59bo$29bobob2o61bo$28bo3b3o60bo$28bo2bo62bo$27b2ob2o61bo$
27b2o63bo$27b3o61bo$26b3o61bo$25b2obo60bo$24bo3bo59bo$25b3o59bo$26bo
59bo$85bo$84bo$79b5o$79b5o$79b2ob2o$75bo5b3o$74bobo4b3o$74b2o5b3o$77b
2o2b3o$81b3o$77bo3b3o$72b4o5b3o$81b3o$71bo3bo5b3o$75bo5b3o$65bobobo2bo
b2o5b3o$65bobobobo2b2o5b3o$64bo4bobob3o5b3o$64bo2b2o2$65bob2o$65bob3o
6b5o$64bo3bobo5b4o$62b3o5bo7bo$58b2ob2obo5bo$59b2obobo6bobobo$64b3o6bo
bo$55b3o6b3o3bo$68b2o2bo$57bo13b2o$54bo2bo3bobo$54b3o5bo$48bo4bo10bo$
47b2ob5o8b3o$47bo4bo9b2o2bo$46b6o10b3o$62b2o$47b2o14bo$40b2o3bob2o5bo
9bo$40bobo2bo2bo4bo$41b2o3b2o3$56bo$35bo19bobo$32bo3b2o2b2o12bo2bo$32b
o7b2o12bobo$32bo3bo18bo$33bob2o2$26b2o$25bo2bo19bo$26bobo18bobo$27bo4b
2o12bo2bo$25bo6b2o12bobo$23b2o22bo$18bo$17bobo$16b2ob2o$16b2ob2o19bo$
15b3ob3o17bobo$16b2o6b2o12bo2bo$24b2o12bobo$9b3o27bo$9b3o$8bo2$32bo$
13bo17bobo$10b3o3b2o12bo2bo$2bo7b3o3b2o12bobo$bobo27bo$o2bo$b2o2$24bo$
3b2o18bobo$2bo2bo2b2o12bo2bo$2bobo3b2o12bobo$3bo19bo!

Would it be possible to remove the two loaves and the block from the mango maker?
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby knightlife » September 20th, 2010, 12:16 am

Awesomeness wrote:Would it be possible to remove the two loaves and the block from the mango maker?


For a single fuse, it's a long shot without a program search, but a double fuse worked out:
x = 399, y = 376, rule = B3/S23
391b2o$390bobo$389bo$388bo$387bo$386bo$385bo11b2o$384bo13bo$383bo13bo$
382bo13bo$381bo13bo$380bo13bo$379bo13bo$378bo13bo$377bo13bo$376bo13bo$
375bo13bo$374bo13bo$373bo13bo$372bo13bo$371bo13bo$370bo13bo$369bo13bo$
368bo13bo$367bo13bo$366bo13bo$365bo13bo$364bo13bo$363bo13bo$362bo13bo$
361bo13bo$360bo13bo$359bo13bo$358bo13bo$357bo13bo$356bo13bo$355bo13bo$
354bo13bo$353bo13bo$352bo13bo$351bo13bo$350bo13bo$349bo13bo$348bo13bo$
347bo13bo$346bo13bo$345bo13bo$344bo13bo$343bo13bo$342bo13bo$341bo13bo$
340bo13bo$339bo13bo$338bo13bo$337bo13bo$336bo13bo$335bo13bo$334bo13bo$
333bo13bo$332bo13bo$331bo13bo$330bo13bo$329bo13bo$328bo13bo$327bo13bo$
326bo13bo$325bo13bo$324bo13bo$323bo13bo$322bo13bo$321bo13bo$320bo13bo$
319bo13bo$318bo13bo$317bo13bo$316bo13bo$315bo13bo$314bo13bo$313bo13bo$
312bo13bo$311bo13bo$310bo13bo$309bo13bo$308bo13bo$307bo13bo$306bo13bo$
305bo13bo$304bo13bo$303bo13bo$302bo13bo$301bo13bo$300bo13bo$299bo13bo$
298bo13bo$297bo13bo$296bo13bo$295bo13bo$294bo13bo$293bo13bo$292bo13bo$
291bo13bo$290bo13bo$289bo13bo$288bo13bo$287bo13bo$286bo13bo$285bo13bo$
284bo13bo$283bo13bo$282bo13bo$281bo13bo$280bo13bo$279bo13bo$278bo13bo$
277bo13bo$276bo13bo$275bo13bo$274bo13bo$273bo13bo$272bo13bo$271bo13bo$
270bo13bo$269bo13bo$268bo13bo$267bo13bo$266bo13bo$265bo13bo$264bo13bo$
263bo13bo$262bo13bo$261bo13bo$260bo13bo$259bo13bo$258bo13bo$257bo13bo$
256bo13bo$255bo13bo$254bo13bo$253bo13bo$252bo13bo$251bo13bo$250bo13bo$
249bo13bo$248bo13bo$247bo13bo$246bo13bo$245bo13bo$244bo13bo$243bo13bo$
242bo13bo$241bo13bo$240bo13bo$239bo13bo$238bo13bo$237bo13bo$236bo13bo$
235bo13bo$234bo13bo$233bo13bo$232bo13bo$231bo13bo$230bo13bo$229bo13bo$
228bo13bo$227bo13bo$226bo13bo$225bo13bo$224bo13bo$223bo13bo$222bo13bo$
221bo13bo$220bo13bo$219bo13bo$218bo13bo$217bo13bo$216bo13bo$215bo13bo$
214bo13bo$213bo13bo$212bo13bo$211bo13bo$210bo13bo$209bo13bo$208bo13bo$
207bo13bo$206bo13bo$205bo13bo$204bo13bo$203bo13bo$202bo13bo$201bo13bo$
200bo13bo$199bo13bo$198bo13bo$197bo13bo$196bo13bo$195bo13bo$194bo13bo$
193bo13bo$192bo13bo$191bo13bo$190bo13bo$189bo13bo$188bo13bo$187bo13bo$
186bo13bo$185bo13bo$184bo13bo$183bo13bo$182bo13bo$181bo13bo$180bo13bo$
179bo13bo$178bo13bo$177bo13bo$176bo13bo$175bo13bo$174bo13bo$173bo13bo$
172bo13bo$171bo13bo$170bo13bo$169bo13bo$168bo13bo$167bo13bo$166bo13bo$
165bo13bo$164bo13bo$163bo13bo$162bo13bo$161bo13bo$160bo13bo$159bo13bo$
158bo13bo$157bo13bo$156bo13bo$155bo13bo$154bo13bo$153bo13bo$152bo13bo$
151bo13bo$150bo13bo$149bo13bo$148bo13bo$147bo13bo$146bo13bo$145bo13bo$
144bo13bo$143bo13bo$142bo13bo$141bo13bo$140bo13bo$139bo13bo$138bo13bo$
137bo13bo$136bo13bo$135bo13bo$134bo13bo$133bo13bo$132bo13bo$131bo13bo$
130bo13bo$129bo13bo$128bo13bo$127bo13bo$126bo13bo$125bo13bo$124bo13bo$
123bo13bo$122bo13bo$121bo13bo$120bo13bo$119bo13bo$118bo13bo$117bo13bo$
116bo13bo$115bo13bo$114bo13bo$113bo13bo$112bo13bo$111bo13bo$110bo13bo$
109bo13bo$108bo13bo$107bo13bo$106bo13bo$105bo13bo$104bo13bo$103bo13bo$
102bo13bo$101bo13bo$100bo13bo$99bo13bo$98bo13bo$97bo13bo$96bo13bo$95bo
13bo$94bo13bo$93bo13bo$92bo13bo$91bo13bo$90bo13bo$89bo13bo$88bo13bo$
87bo13bo$86bo13bo$85bo13bo$84bo13bo$83bo13bo$82bo13bo$66b16o13bo$66b
16o12bo$66b13ob2o11bo$62bo16b3o10bo$61b2o16b3o9bo$60b3o12bo14bo$61b2o
10b3o13bo$61b2o9b2o3bo10bo$57b3obobo8b2o2bobo8bo$59b3o2b2o5bobo2b2o8bo
$57b3obob2o5bo2bo11bo$61b3o6bo2bo10bo$65bobo5bo9bo$65b3o2b3o9bo$65b5o
11bo$50b5o7bo4bo12bo$49bo2b3o6b3o15bo$55bob2o3bobo13bo$56bo2bo4bo12bo$
56bobo2b4o11bo$60bob2o11bo$60bo13bo$47bo2bo2bo4bo2b2o10bo$42b2ob2o8bo
2b2o12bo$41b3o2b3o6bo14b2o$42b2o3b2o4b3o13b3o$48bo21b2o$69b3o$54bo14b
3o$52bo2b2o8b3ob3o$34b2o15b2ob2o9b3ob3o$33bo2bo11bo4bo11b3ob3o$32bo2bo
12bo12b2o2b3ob3o$33b2o13bo10b2ob2ob3ob3o$46b3o8b2obo4b3ob3o$44b5o7bo9b
2ob2o$44b2obo7bo2bo8b3o$42b5o15bo5bo$26b2o12b3o2bobo6b2obo5b2o$25bo2bo
11bobobobobo4b4o6b3o$24bo2bo11b2obobob2o5b3o3bo4bobo$25b2o13bo5bo13bob
2o2bo$40b3obob3o11bob2obo$41b3o2b2ob2o12bo$46b2ob2o2b3o4b3o$38b2o5bo2b
o$18b2o14bo3b2o6b2o$17bo2bo14bo$16bo2bo13bo$17b2o22bo$30bo10b3o$40bo4b
o$34bo5b4o2b2o$30bo3bo6bo$10b2o19b3o5bobo$9bo2bo27bo$8bo2bo$9b2o5$2b2o
$bo2bo$o2bo$b2o!

The mirror image idea didn't pan out but a different fuse that normally burns clean did the trick. Double fuses add a degree of freedom and more possibilities.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Awesomeness » September 25th, 2010, 8:21 pm

R plus hive = LWSS plus junk: [glider synthesis version]
x = 133, y = 110, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o21bo$25bo$23b3o3$bo$2b2o$b2o58$94bobo$95b2o$95bo3$99b2o$95bo
2b2o$95b2o3bo$94bobo7$107bo$106bo$106b3o6$109b3o$109bo$110bo15$131b2o$
130b2o$132bo!


[sarcasm]Yeah. I'm sure this synthesis is super useful.[/sarcasm]
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Lewis » September 29th, 2010, 3:01 pm

Tim Coe's P8 from soup!
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
obo3b2o9b3o$3o4b2o2bob3ob2o$bob4o3bo4b4o$4b2ob2obo3b2obobo$2ob2o2b4ob
2o$b2o2b2o5b4o3bo$2obo3bob2o2bob2o2bo$bo6bobo2bo4b2o$2b3o3b2obobo2bo$
3o2b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$bo2bo2b2obob2ob4o$2bob5ob4o2b4o$b3obo3bob3o2b3o$4ob
2ob3o2bob2o2bo$bo3b2ob2obob2o4bo$2b3obob3o4bo$bobo3bob5o5bo$o2b2o2b2ob
4obob3o$2obo2b2obob2o2bobobo$o2bob2o3b2obo4b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Awesomeness » September 29th, 2010, 4:47 pm

Look what happens when you take a mango and extend it:
x = 12, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
10bo$2bo6bobo$bobo4bo2bo$o2bo3bo2bo$obo4bobo$bo6bo!

Very interesting.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby ssaamm » September 29th, 2010, 5:45 pm

whoa...
x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$2ob2o$2ob2o2$o3bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby knightlife » October 2nd, 2010, 3:33 pm

Funny thing ships can do:
x = 26, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$3b2o13bobo2b2o$3bobo13b2o2bobo$b2ob2o15b2ob2o$obo17bobo$2o18b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 2nd, 2010, 6:51 pm

Lewis wrote:Tim Coe's P8 from soup!
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
obo3b2o9b3o$3o4b2o2bob3ob2o$bob4o3bo4b4o$4b2ob2obo3b2obobo$2ob2o2b4ob
2o$b2o2b2o5b4o3bo$2obo3bob2o2bob2o2bo$bo6bobo2bo4b2o$2b3o3b2obobo2bo$
3o2b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$bo2bo2b2obob2ob4o$2bob5ob4o2b4o$b3obo3bob3o2b3o$4ob
2ob3o2bob2o2bo$bo3b2ob2obob2o4bo$2b3obob3o4bo$bobo3bob5o5bo$o2b2o2b2ob
4obob3o$2obo2b2obob2o2bobobo$o2bob2o3b2obo4b2o!


This is the essential reaction:
x = 35, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
7$22bo3b2o$10b2o3b2o2b2o5b2o$8b4o3bobob2o$7bo2bo2bo3bob3o$7bo4bo3b2o$
8bo3bo$13bo!


I have not been able to synthesize that right object (which eventually turns into a blinker).

EDIT: Now I have! Here is a 10-glider synthesis for Tim Coe's P8:
x = 49, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
46bo$46bobo$46b2o10$35bo$35bobo$35b2o$20bo9bo$21bo6bobo$19b3o7b2o6$10b
obo$11b2o$11bo4$44bo$12b2o24b2o3b2o$11b2o24b2o4bobo$13bo25bo$32b3o$32b
o$33bo4$b2o$obo$2bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Sokwe » October 2nd, 2010, 11:44 pm

That can be reduced to a mere 8 gliders:
x = 45, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
38bo$38bobo$38b2o4$16bo$17b2o$16b2o5$8bo$9bo$7b3o8$11b2o24b2o3b3o$11bo
bo23bobo2bo$11bo25bo5bo$32b2o$31b2o$33bo$bo$b2o$obo!

This is only half as many gliders as the previously known synthesis:
x = 38, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
35bobo$35b2o$36bo$14bobo$15b2o$15bo2$4bo29bo$5b2o27bobo$4b2o28b2o3$5bo
$3bobo$4b2o8bobo$15b2o$15bo$31bo$31bobo$31b2o5$21b3o$21bo$22bo11b2o$
34bobo$34bo$15b3o$17bo$16bo$29b3o$29bo$30bo2$30bo$11b2o16b2o$10bobo16b
obo$b2o9bo$obo$2bo2$27bo7b3o$26b2o7bo$26bobo7bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Karatorian » October 3rd, 2010, 12:08 am

That p8 synth is a good stuff. I played around with the soup a bit and managed to narrow it down to that reaction as well, but not knowing much about glider synthesis, I didn't get very far beyond that.

The glider count is quite an improvement over the previous best results (that I'm aware of) sixteen gliders. The wiki has a 22 glider synth and mentions a 16 glider one which is in the jslife collection.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 3rd, 2010, 1:41 pm

Lewis wrote:Beacon on Cap
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2o3bo3b2o2bo2bo$bobo2bob2obobo2b4o$o2bob2obo2bobobo$bo5b2o3bo2b2o2bo$b
ob3ob2ob7o2bo$bo2bo6bo2bo3bo$2o2bobobobo2b2obobo$b5obo2bo3bo3b2o$2o5bo
2b2o2bobo2bo$o2bo2b2o2bobo4b2o$obo2b2ob2obo5bo$b3o2b2ob2obo3b4o$o2bo2b
6o4bo2bo$b3o2b3o3b2obobo$3bo15bo$3bobob3ob2o3b3o$3o2bo2b3ob4o2b2o$3bo
2b4o2bobo3bo$2o2bob2o3b2obo3b2o$3bob4o2b5ob2o!



This leads to the following (obsolete) 15-glider synthesis:
x = 243, y = 225, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o6$28bo$29bo$27b3o44$119bo$119bobo$119b2o$104bo$102bobo$103b2o
4$33bo$34bo$32b3o3$107bo$108bo$106b3o13$83bo$84bo$82b3o2$127b2o$127bob
o$127bo12$79b3o$81bo24b2o$80bo25bobo$76b2o28bo$75bobo12b2o$77bo11bobo$
91bo43$182b2o$182bobo$182bo15$23b2o$22bobo$24bo53$240b3o$240bo$241bo!


I say it's obsolete because a 6-glider synthesis is already known.

Lewis wrote:Unusual Symmetrical 24-Cell Still Life:
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2o3b2o2bo4bobo$ob2o4bo3b2o2bo2bo$3b2obobobo2bo2bo$o2b3o3b6obobo$o3bo2b
ob3ob2ob2o$b3ob2o2b3o4b3o$ob3o2bo3bo6bo$obob2ob4ob2obo3bo$3b2o3bo5bo3b
o$bobobobob3o2b2ob3o$obo2bob2ob4ob2o$ob3o4bobobo3b3o$b3o3bo3b3obo3bo$b
2o2b4o4bobobo$3b2obobo2b3o2b2obo$o4bobob2o3bob4o$3obo2b5o3b3o$2b2obob
4o2bo$3ob2o2b2o2b2o3bo$o2bobobo2bobo2b5o!



That leads to this 5-glider synthesis:
x = 19, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
16bobo$16b2o$11bo5bo$10bo$10b3o6$13bo$12b2o$12bobo4$4b3o$4bo$5bo2$3o$
2bo$bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby wintersolstice » October 8th, 2010, 4:53 pm

this pattern gives birth to 4 gliders (I think) and a load of still lifes (that I haven't counted yet :D )

x = 291, y = 1, rule = B3/S23
291o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Karatorian » October 9th, 2010, 5:05 am

Survey says ... 144 blocks (8 bi blocks), 120 blinkers (12 traffic lights), 88 beehives, 28 boats, 24 loaves, 8 ponds, and 4 gliders. Stabilizes at generation 885 with a population of 1856.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Lewis » October 9th, 2010, 7:38 am

Soup creates a 'LWSS on LWSS' pseudo-spaceship:
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
b2obobob2o2bob3obo$bo2bo2bob3obo3b3o$3obo2b3ob3ob3obo$obob2o2bobo2b4o
2bo$2bob3o2b2ob3o2bo$3b2ob2obob3ob5o$b3obo2b2obo3b2obo$bobo2b2o10bo$4b
3ob2obobo4b2o$o7b4o3b3obo$3o2b2obo2b3o3bo$3bobobo5bob5o$o2bo2bob3obo4b
3o$5b2obo4b3o$2ob2ob2o2bo2b3o2bo$14o3bobo$bobob2obo4b2o$b2obo2bo4b2o3b
o$2bobo3b2obo2bobo$bobo2bo3b6obo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby calcyman » October 9th, 2010, 11:47 am

That is ... incredibly rare. I don't think that any asymmetric random soup has ever done that before. (When the LWSS-on-LWSS did appear in a census result, it was an error.)
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby hkoenig » October 9th, 2010, 12:00 pm

The relevant pattern:

x=21, y=9
4bo$4bo6b3o$4bo5bo3bo$9bo5bo2b2o$3o6bo5bo2bobo$9bo5bo2bo$4bo5bo3bo$4bo6b3o$4b
o!


Which should be easily constructed for about 7 or 8 Gliders (including cleanup). I'll need to check to see how that compares to what's the currently known minimum.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby calcyman » October 9th, 2010, 12:40 pm

It's possible with 8 gliders (2 to construct the TL, 1 to delete the surplus blinker, 2 to construct the honeyfarm, 1 to activate it, 2 for cleanup).

x = 34, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
20bo$19bo$19b3o4$4bo$4bo6b3o$4bo5bo3bo$9bo5bo2b2o$3o6bo5bo2bobo$9bo5bo
2bo$4bo5bo3bo$4bo6b3o$4bo20$31b2o$31bobo$31bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Paul Tooke » October 9th, 2010, 1:14 pm

Mark Niemiec's site has a seven glider synthesis for this. Basically, 3g -> LWSS #1, 2g -> block, 2g + block -> LWSS #2.
x = 67, y = 9
45bobo$45b2o$38b3o5bo11b3x3b3x$5bo32bo2bo16bx2bxbx2bx$3bobo19b2x11bo6b
2o11bx7bx$4b2o19b2x11bo6b2o11bx7bx$b2o36bobo6b3o8bxbxbxbx$obo45bo$2bo
46bo!

This new recipe has the advantage of using synchronised pairs of gliders, but then the the 7 glider recipe could be adapted to a 4 x glider-pair recipe and woudn't suffer from the p2 timing constraint. This is indeed a rare find, but is it useful?
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby hkoenig » October 9th, 2010, 9:57 pm

I knew that Niemiec had a construction, because it's fairly well known now how to graft together various types of spaceships, including some of the overweight ones. I just didn't have the time today to look farther, and now I see I don't have to. Thanks.

There might be a four Glider construction of the Traffic Lights/Honeyfarm combo, as it's nicely symmetric, and also possible to perhaps cleanup with a single Glider, so this could be brought down to 6.

One use for these random soups is that occasionally they do give us some interesting object syntheses. That's how I came across a 3 Glider construction of the Pentadecathlon when for years it had been assumed that 4 were needed. It just might be that the way to figure out how to build spaceships is to wait until some appear naturally and then figure out if they can be tamed in some fashion. And if they never appear, then maybe there really are objects that just can't be constructed.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Lewis » October 10th, 2010, 4:02 pm

P2 'Griddle on Beehive':
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2obob4o3b2o3bobo$bobob2ob2o2bob2ob3o$obob6ob3o5bo$3bo5b2ob3obo$2o3bo3b
o4bo4bo$2obobo4b4o2b3o$3b6o2bo3bo2bo$2b3o4bob2obo3bo$o3b3obob3ob2o2b2o
$2bobo5b2ob3o$3b3o2b12o$3ob7ob2o$5b2ob2ob4obo$3o2b3ob5o2b4o$bob2obo3bo
b3o4bo$2b2o2bob3o2b4ob2o$b5o4b3o2bob2o$b3ob2obob3obo3b2o$3obo4b2obob2o
b2o$o3bo3bobob3o4bo!


Does anyone else use Andrzej Okrasinski's LifeSS Screensaver? For the past year or so, I've been running it occasionally on my computer, and it's turned out most of the things I've posted in this thread.
When the initial density setting is changed, seperate output files are created. This means that combining searches from several computers would be possible (I think). It may be possible to use this to create a census similar to the Soup Search, which seems to be no longer updated.

EDIT: only a few hours later, an entirely different soup turned up a Griddle on Block:
x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
2b2obo2bob2o3b2ob2o$b4obo2bobob2obo$o2bobo2b3o6b2o$2o2b3obob2o3bob3o$o
3b2ob6ob2ob2o$2obo3b2obo5bo$4b4o2bo2bo2bob2o$2obo5b4o2b2ob2o$bo2bo3bo
2bobobobo$4o2b3ob2o2bobo2bo$o5bo2bo3b3o$2o3bo3b2obob6o$2bob2o2b2o2b2o
3b2o$3b3ob4obo$o4bobo2bo2b7o$bob2o2b2obo3bob2o$obo2bo2bobob3o$bobo2bob
2ob2o2b2ob2o$2bo4bobobo2b4o$ob5ob3ob2obo2b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby ssaamm » October 11th, 2010, 3:19 pm

I was just playing around, and I found a pattern that makes 2 gliders, then catches up and eats them! :D
x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
10o$10o$2o6b2o$2o6b2o$2o6b2o$2o3b2ob2o$2o3b2ob2o$2o6b2o$10o$10o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 14th, 2010, 10:23 am

Just found a reaction that creates a cis R-bee:
x = 41, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
3o34b3o$o2bo33bo2bo$b3o34b3o$5b2o$5bobo$7bo28b2o$7b2o28bo$34b3o$34bo!


This is the essential reaction:
x = 7, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2b3o$bo3bo$bo3bo$2b3o3$2b3o2$o5bo$o5bo$o5bo2$2b3o!
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