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`x = 164, y = 167, rule = B3/S23115bo\$114bo\$114b3o3\$161bo\$161bobo\$161b2o28\$60bobo\$60b2o\$61bo12\$19bo\$2bo17bo\$obo15b3o\$b2o13\$58bo\$57bo\$57b3o3\$44b3o\$45bo\$43bob3o6\$63b2o\$63bobo\$63bo12\$15b3o\$17bo\$16bo41bo\$57b2o\$57bobo7\$23b2o\$22bobo\$24bo5\$81b2o\$80b2o\$82bo37\$41b3o\$41bo2bo\$41bo\$41bo\$42bobo11\$134b2o10b2o\$134bobo9bobo\$134bo11bo!`

If you want I can replace the LWSS with 3 gliders.
Awesomeness

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Easy for me to do:
`x = 164, y = 167, rule = B3/S23115bo\$114bo\$114b3o3\$161bo\$161bobo\$161b2o28\$60bobo\$60b2o\$61bo12\$19bo\$2bo17bo\$obo15b3o\$b2o13\$58bo\$57bo\$57b3o11\$63b2o\$63bobo\$63bo12\$15b3o\$17bo\$16bo41bo\$57b2o\$57bobo7\$23b2o\$22bobo\$24bo5\$81b2o\$80b2o\$82bo28\$50bo\$48b2o\$49b2o2\$37b3o\$39bo\$38bo2\$45b2o\$44b2o\$46bo14\$134b2o10b2o\$134bobo9bobo\$134bo11bo!`
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x = 164, y = 167, rule = B3/S23 [16 gliders]

That looks a little more complicated than it needs to be. You can sneak in and reproduce the key still lifes from a later stage of the reaction, which lets you skip building the Herschel entirely. Saves seven gliders and a couple hundred ticks:

`#C blocker from 9 gliders synchronized in pairsx = 45, y = 70, rule = B3/S2312bo\$4bo6bo\$3bo7b3o\$3b3o6\$6bo\$5bo8bo\$5b3o5bo\$13b3o4\$3o\$o\$bo14\$8b3o\$8bo\$9bo4\$17bo\$16b2o\$16bobo5\$32b3o\$32bo\$33bo20\$42b3o\$42bo\$43bo!`

There are known blocker constructions with as few as six gliders, but all six need to be synchronized with each other. (Maybe there are other known variants with fewer synchronization requirements, but they aren't in the stamp collection on Mark Niemiec's web site.) The nice thing about this recipe is that it could actually be programmed into a Gemini-style two-arm constructor -- you only need to send in two gliders at a time from two directions. Plus I really like the way the blocker pops up out of nowhere...!

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Bakery maker and mango maker:
`x = 383, y = 406, rule = B3/S23342b2o\$343bo\$342bo\$341bo\$340bo\$339bo\$338bo\$337bo\$336bo\$335bo\$334bo\$333bo\$332bo\$331bo\$330bo\$329bo\$328bo\$327bo\$326bo\$325bo\$324bo\$323bo\$322bo\$321bo\$320bo\$319bo\$318bo\$317bo\$316bo64b2o\$315bo66bo\$314bo66bo\$313bo66bo\$312bo66bo\$311bo66bo\$310bo66bo\$309bo66bo\$308bo66bo\$307bo66bo\$306bo66bo\$305bo66bo\$304bo66bo\$303bo66bo\$302bo66bo\$301bo66bo\$300bo66bo\$299bo66bo\$298bo66bo\$297bo66bo\$296bo66bo\$295bo66bo\$294bo66bo\$293bo66bo\$292bo66bo\$291bo66bo\$290bo66bo\$289bo66bo\$288bo66bo\$287bo66bo\$286bo66bo\$285bo66bo\$284bo66bo\$283bo66bo\$282bo66bo\$281bo66bo\$280bo66bo\$279bo66bo\$278bo66bo\$277bo66bo\$276bo66bo\$275bo66bo\$274bo66bo\$273bo66bo\$272bo66bo\$271bo66bo\$270bo66bo\$269bo66bo\$268bo66bo\$267bo66bo\$266bo66bo\$265bo66bo\$264bo66bo\$263bo66bo\$262bo66bo\$261bo66bo\$260bo66bo\$259bo66bo\$258bo66bo\$257bo66bo\$256bo66bo\$255bo66bo\$254bo66bo\$253bo66bo\$252bo66bo\$251bo66bo\$250bo66bo\$249bo66bo\$248bo66bo\$247bo66bo\$246bo66bo\$245bo66bo\$244bo66bo\$243bo66bo\$242bo66bo\$241bo66bo\$240bo66bo\$239bo66bo\$238bo66bo\$237bo66bo\$236bo66bo\$235bo66bo\$234bo66bo\$233bo66bo\$232bo66bo\$231bo66bo\$230bo66bo\$229bo66bo\$228bo66bo\$227bo66bo\$226bo66bo\$225bo66bo\$224bo66bo\$223bo66bo\$222bo66bo\$221bo66bo\$220bo66bo\$219bo66bo\$218bo66bo\$217bo66bo\$216bo66bo\$215bo66bo\$214bo66bo\$213bo66bo\$212bo66bo\$211bo66bo\$210bo66bo\$209bo66bo\$208bo66bo\$207bo66bo\$206bo66bo\$205bo66bo\$204bo66bo\$203bo66bo\$202bo66bo\$201bo66bo\$200bo66bo\$199bo66bo\$198bo66bo\$197bo66bo\$196bo66bo\$195bo66bo\$194bo66bo\$193bo66bo\$192bo66bo\$191bo66bo\$190bo66bo\$189bo66bo\$188bo66bo\$187bo66bo\$186bo66bo\$185bo66bo\$184bo66bo\$183bo66bo\$182bo66bo\$181bo66bo\$180bo66bo\$179bo66bo\$178bo66bo\$177bo66bo\$176bo66bo\$175bo66bo\$174bo66bo\$173bo66bo\$172bo66bo\$171bo66bo\$170bo66bo\$169bo66bo\$168bo66bo\$167bo66bo\$166bo66bo\$165bo66bo\$164bo66bo\$163bo66bo\$162bo66bo\$161bo66bo\$160bo66bo\$159bo66bo\$158bo66bo\$157bo66bo\$156bo66bo\$155bo66bo\$154bo66bo\$153bo66bo\$152bo66bo\$151bo66bo\$150bo66bo\$149bo66bo\$148bo66bo\$147bo66bo\$146bo66bo\$145bo66bo\$144bo66bo\$143bo66bo\$142bo66bo\$141bo66bo\$140bo66bo\$139bo66bo\$138bo66bo\$137bo66bo\$136bo66bo\$135bo66bo\$134bo66bo\$133bo66bo\$132bo66bo\$131bo66bo\$130bo66bo\$129bo66bo\$128bo66bo\$127bo66bo\$126bo66bo\$125bo66bo\$124bo66bo\$123bo66bo\$122bo66bo\$121bo66bo\$120bo66bo\$119bo66bo\$118bo66bo\$117bo66bo\$116bo66bo\$115bo66bo\$114bo66bo\$113bo66bo\$112bo66bo\$111bo66bo\$110bo66bo\$109bo66bo\$108bo66bo\$107bo66bo\$106bo66bo\$105bo66bo\$104bo66bo\$103bo66bo\$102bo66bo\$101bo66bo\$100bo66bo\$99bo66bo\$98bo66bo\$97bo66bo\$96bo66bo\$95bo66bo\$94bo66bo\$93bo66bo\$92bo66bo\$91bo66bo\$90bo66bo\$89bo66bo\$88bo66bo\$87bo66bo\$86bo66bo\$85bo66bo\$84bo66bo\$83bo66bo\$82bo66bo\$81bo66bo\$80bo66bo\$79bo66bo\$78bo66bo\$77bo66bo\$76bo66bo\$75bo66bo\$74bo66bo\$73bo66bo\$72bo66bo\$71bo66bo\$70bo66bo\$69bo66bo\$68bo66bo\$67bo66bo\$66bo66bo\$65bo66bo\$64bo66bo\$63bo66bo\$62bo66bo\$61bo66bo\$60bo66bo\$59bo66bo\$58bo66bo\$57bo66bo\$56bo66bo\$55bo66bo\$54bo66bo\$53bo66bo\$52bo66bo\$51bo66bo\$50bo66bo\$49bo66bo\$48bo66bo\$47bo66bo\$46bo66bo\$45bo66bo\$44bo66bo\$42b3o65bo\$41bo2bo64bo\$44bo63bo\$39b2o3bo62bo\$39bobobo62bo\$37b3o2bo62bo\$104bo\$34b2o2b2o63bo\$37bob2o61bo\$33bobo4bo60bo\$33bobo3bo60bo\$32bo4b2o60bo\$31b2o3b2o60bo\$33bo2b2o59bo\$29bobob2o61bo\$28bo3b3o60bo\$28bo2bo62bo\$27b2ob2o61bo\$27b2o63bo\$27b3o61bo\$26b3o61bo\$25b2obo60bo\$24bo3bo59bo\$25b3o59bo\$26bo59bo\$85bo\$84bo\$79b5o\$79b5o\$79b2ob2o\$75bo5b3o\$74bobo4b3o\$74b2o5b3o\$77b2o2b3o\$81b3o\$77bo3b3o\$72b4o5b3o\$81b3o\$71bo3bo5b3o\$75bo5b3o\$65bobobo2bob2o5b3o\$65bobobobo2b2o5b3o\$64bo4bobob3o5b3o\$64bo2b2o2\$65bob2o\$65bob3o6b5o\$64bo3bobo5b4o\$62b3o5bo7bo\$58b2ob2obo5bo\$59b2obobo6bobobo\$64b3o6bobo\$55b3o6b3o3bo\$68b2o2bo\$57bo13b2o\$54bo2bo3bobo\$54b3o5bo\$48bo4bo10bo\$47b2ob5o8b3o\$47bo4bo9b2o2bo\$46b6o10b3o\$62b2o\$47b2o14bo\$40b2o3bob2o5bo9bo\$40bobo2bo2bo4bo\$41b2o3b2o3\$56bo\$35bo19bobo\$32bo3b2o2b2o12bo2bo\$32bo7b2o12bobo\$32bo3bo18bo\$33bob2o2\$26b2o\$25bo2bo19bo\$26bobo18bobo\$27bo4b2o12bo2bo\$25bo6b2o12bobo\$23b2o22bo\$18bo\$17bobo\$16b2ob2o\$16b2ob2o19bo\$15b3ob3o17bobo\$16b2o6b2o12bo2bo\$24b2o12bobo\$9b3o27bo\$9b3o\$8bo2\$32bo\$13bo17bobo\$10b3o3b2o12bo2bo\$2bo7b3o3b2o12bobo\$bobo27bo\$o2bo\$b2o2\$24bo\$3b2o18bobo\$2bo2bo2b2o12bo2bo\$2bobo3b2o12bobo\$3bo19bo!`

Would it be possible to remove the two loaves and the block from the mango maker?
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Awesomeness wrote:Would it be possible to remove the two loaves and the block from the mango maker?

For a single fuse, it's a long shot without a program search, but a double fuse worked out:
`x = 399, y = 376, rule = B3/S23391b2o\$390bobo\$389bo\$388bo\$387bo\$386bo\$385bo11b2o\$384bo13bo\$383bo13bo\$382bo13bo\$381bo13bo\$380bo13bo\$379bo13bo\$378bo13bo\$377bo13bo\$376bo13bo\$375bo13bo\$374bo13bo\$373bo13bo\$372bo13bo\$371bo13bo\$370bo13bo\$369bo13bo\$368bo13bo\$367bo13bo\$366bo13bo\$365bo13bo\$364bo13bo\$363bo13bo\$362bo13bo\$361bo13bo\$360bo13bo\$359bo13bo\$358bo13bo\$357bo13bo\$356bo13bo\$355bo13bo\$354bo13bo\$353bo13bo\$352bo13bo\$351bo13bo\$350bo13bo\$349bo13bo\$348bo13bo\$347bo13bo\$346bo13bo\$345bo13bo\$344bo13bo\$343bo13bo\$342bo13bo\$341bo13bo\$340bo13bo\$339bo13bo\$338bo13bo\$337bo13bo\$336bo13bo\$335bo13bo\$334bo13bo\$333bo13bo\$332bo13bo\$331bo13bo\$330bo13bo\$329bo13bo\$328bo13bo\$327bo13bo\$326bo13bo\$325bo13bo\$324bo13bo\$323bo13bo\$322bo13bo\$321bo13bo\$320bo13bo\$319bo13bo\$318bo13bo\$317bo13bo\$316bo13bo\$315bo13bo\$314bo13bo\$313bo13bo\$312bo13bo\$311bo13bo\$310bo13bo\$309bo13bo\$308bo13bo\$307bo13bo\$306bo13bo\$305bo13bo\$304bo13bo\$303bo13bo\$302bo13bo\$301bo13bo\$300bo13bo\$299bo13bo\$298bo13bo\$297bo13bo\$296bo13bo\$295bo13bo\$294bo13bo\$293bo13bo\$292bo13bo\$291bo13bo\$290bo13bo\$289bo13bo\$288bo13bo\$287bo13bo\$286bo13bo\$285bo13bo\$284bo13bo\$283bo13bo\$282bo13bo\$281bo13bo\$280bo13bo\$279bo13bo\$278bo13bo\$277bo13bo\$276bo13bo\$275bo13bo\$274bo13bo\$273bo13bo\$272bo13bo\$271bo13bo\$270bo13bo\$269bo13bo\$268bo13bo\$267bo13bo\$266bo13bo\$265bo13bo\$264bo13bo\$263bo13bo\$262bo13bo\$261bo13bo\$260bo13bo\$259bo13bo\$258bo13bo\$257bo13bo\$256bo13bo\$255bo13bo\$254bo13bo\$253bo13bo\$252bo13bo\$251bo13bo\$250bo13bo\$249bo13bo\$248bo13bo\$247bo13bo\$246bo13bo\$245bo13bo\$244bo13bo\$243bo13bo\$242bo13bo\$241bo13bo\$240bo13bo\$239bo13bo\$238bo13bo\$237bo13bo\$236bo13bo\$235bo13bo\$234bo13bo\$233bo13bo\$232bo13bo\$231bo13bo\$230bo13bo\$229bo13bo\$228bo13bo\$227bo13bo\$226bo13bo\$225bo13bo\$224bo13bo\$223bo13bo\$222bo13bo\$221bo13bo\$220bo13bo\$219bo13bo\$218bo13bo\$217bo13bo\$216bo13bo\$215bo13bo\$214bo13bo\$213bo13bo\$212bo13bo\$211bo13bo\$210bo13bo\$209bo13bo\$208bo13bo\$207bo13bo\$206bo13bo\$205bo13bo\$204bo13bo\$203bo13bo\$202bo13bo\$201bo13bo\$200bo13bo\$199bo13bo\$198bo13bo\$197bo13bo\$196bo13bo\$195bo13bo\$194bo13bo\$193bo13bo\$192bo13bo\$191bo13bo\$190bo13bo\$189bo13bo\$188bo13bo\$187bo13bo\$186bo13bo\$185bo13bo\$184bo13bo\$183bo13bo\$182bo13bo\$181bo13bo\$180bo13bo\$179bo13bo\$178bo13bo\$177bo13bo\$176bo13bo\$175bo13bo\$174bo13bo\$173bo13bo\$172bo13bo\$171bo13bo\$170bo13bo\$169bo13bo\$168bo13bo\$167bo13bo\$166bo13bo\$165bo13bo\$164bo13bo\$163bo13bo\$162bo13bo\$161bo13bo\$160bo13bo\$159bo13bo\$158bo13bo\$157bo13bo\$156bo13bo\$155bo13bo\$154bo13bo\$153bo13bo\$152bo13bo\$151bo13bo\$150bo13bo\$149bo13bo\$148bo13bo\$147bo13bo\$146bo13bo\$145bo13bo\$144bo13bo\$143bo13bo\$142bo13bo\$141bo13bo\$140bo13bo\$139bo13bo\$138bo13bo\$137bo13bo\$136bo13bo\$135bo13bo\$134bo13bo\$133bo13bo\$132bo13bo\$131bo13bo\$130bo13bo\$129bo13bo\$128bo13bo\$127bo13bo\$126bo13bo\$125bo13bo\$124bo13bo\$123bo13bo\$122bo13bo\$121bo13bo\$120bo13bo\$119bo13bo\$118bo13bo\$117bo13bo\$116bo13bo\$115bo13bo\$114bo13bo\$113bo13bo\$112bo13bo\$111bo13bo\$110bo13bo\$109bo13bo\$108bo13bo\$107bo13bo\$106bo13bo\$105bo13bo\$104bo13bo\$103bo13bo\$102bo13bo\$101bo13bo\$100bo13bo\$99bo13bo\$98bo13bo\$97bo13bo\$96bo13bo\$95bo13bo\$94bo13bo\$93bo13bo\$92bo13bo\$91bo13bo\$90bo13bo\$89bo13bo\$88bo13bo\$87bo13bo\$86bo13bo\$85bo13bo\$84bo13bo\$83bo13bo\$82bo13bo\$66b16o13bo\$66b16o12bo\$66b13ob2o11bo\$62bo16b3o10bo\$61b2o16b3o9bo\$60b3o12bo14bo\$61b2o10b3o13bo\$61b2o9b2o3bo10bo\$57b3obobo8b2o2bobo8bo\$59b3o2b2o5bobo2b2o8bo\$57b3obob2o5bo2bo11bo\$61b3o6bo2bo10bo\$65bobo5bo9bo\$65b3o2b3o9bo\$65b5o11bo\$50b5o7bo4bo12bo\$49bo2b3o6b3o15bo\$55bob2o3bobo13bo\$56bo2bo4bo12bo\$56bobo2b4o11bo\$60bob2o11bo\$60bo13bo\$47bo2bo2bo4bo2b2o10bo\$42b2ob2o8bo2b2o12bo\$41b3o2b3o6bo14b2o\$42b2o3b2o4b3o13b3o\$48bo21b2o\$69b3o\$54bo14b3o\$52bo2b2o8b3ob3o\$34b2o15b2ob2o9b3ob3o\$33bo2bo11bo4bo11b3ob3o\$32bo2bo12bo12b2o2b3ob3o\$33b2o13bo10b2ob2ob3ob3o\$46b3o8b2obo4b3ob3o\$44b5o7bo9b2ob2o\$44b2obo7bo2bo8b3o\$42b5o15bo5bo\$26b2o12b3o2bobo6b2obo5b2o\$25bo2bo11bobobobobo4b4o6b3o\$24bo2bo11b2obobob2o5b3o3bo4bobo\$25b2o13bo5bo13bob2o2bo\$40b3obob3o11bob2obo\$41b3o2b2ob2o12bo\$46b2ob2o2b3o4b3o\$38b2o5bo2bo\$18b2o14bo3b2o6b2o\$17bo2bo14bo\$16bo2bo13bo\$17b2o22bo\$30bo10b3o\$40bo4bo\$34bo5b4o2b2o\$30bo3bo6bo\$10b2o19b3o5bobo\$9bo2bo27bo\$8bo2bo\$9b2o5\$2b2o\$bo2bo\$o2bo\$b2o!`

The mirror image idea didn't pan out but a different fuse that normally burns clean did the trick. Double fuses add a degree of freedom and more possibilities.
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R plus hive = LWSS plus junk: [glider synthesis version]
`x = 133, y = 110, rule = B3/S23bo\$2bo\$3o21bo\$25bo\$23b3o3\$bo\$2b2o\$b2o58\$94bobo\$95b2o\$95bo3\$99b2o\$95bo2b2o\$95b2o3bo\$94bobo7\$107bo\$106bo\$106b3o6\$109b3o\$109bo\$110bo15\$131b2o\$130b2o\$132bo!`

[sarcasm]Yeah. I'm sure this synthesis is super useful.[/sarcasm]
Awesomeness

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Tim Coe's P8 from soup!
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23obo3b2o9b3o\$3o4b2o2bob3ob2o\$bob4o3bo4b4o\$4b2ob2obo3b2obobo\$2ob2o2b4ob2o\$b2o2b2o5b4o3bo\$2obo3bob2o2bob2o2bo\$bo6bobo2bo4b2o\$2b3o3b2obobo2bo\$3o2b2o2b2ob2o2b2o\$bo2bo2b2obob2ob4o\$2bob5ob4o2b4o\$b3obo3bob3o2b3o\$4ob2ob3o2bob2o2bo\$bo3b2ob2obob2o4bo\$2b3obob3o4bo\$bobo3bob5o5bo\$o2b2o2b2ob4obob3o\$2obo2b2obob2o2bobobo\$o2bob2o3b2obo4b2o!`

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Look what happens when you take a mango and extend it:
`x = 12, y = 6, rule = B3/S2310bo\$2bo6bobo\$bobo4bo2bo\$o2bo3bo2bo\$obo4bobo\$bo6bo!`

Very interesting.
Awesomeness

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whoa...
`x = 5, y = 6, rule = B3/S232bo\$bobo\$2ob2o\$2ob2o2\$o3bo!`

ssaamm

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Funny thing ships can do:
`x = 26, y = 6, rule = B3/S2318b2o\$3b2o13bobo2b2o\$3bobo13b2o2bobo\$b2ob2o15b2ob2o\$obo17bobo\$2o18b2o!`
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Lewis wrote:Tim Coe's P8 from soup!
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23obo3b2o9b3o\$3o4b2o2bob3ob2o\$bob4o3bo4b4o\$4b2ob2obo3b2obobo\$2ob2o2b4ob2o\$b2o2b2o5b4o3bo\$2obo3bob2o2bob2o2bo\$bo6bobo2bo4b2o\$2b3o3b2obobo2bo\$3o2b2o2b2ob2o2b2o\$bo2bo2b2obob2ob4o\$2bob5ob4o2b4o\$b3obo3bob3o2b3o\$4ob2ob3o2bob2o2bo\$bo3b2ob2obob2o4bo\$2b3obob3o4bo\$bobo3bob5o5bo\$o2b2o2b2ob4obob3o\$2obo2b2obob2o2bobobo\$o2bob2o3b2obo4b2o!`

This is the essential reaction:
`x = 35, y = 23, rule = B3/S237\$22bo3b2o\$10b2o3b2o2b2o5b2o\$8b4o3bobob2o\$7bo2bo2bo3bob3o\$7bo4bo3b2o\$8bo3bo\$13bo!`

I have not been able to synthesize that right object (which eventually turns into a blinker).

EDIT: Now I have! Here is a 10-glider synthesis for Tim Coe's P8:
`x = 49, y = 42, rule = B3/S2346bo\$46bobo\$46b2o10\$35bo\$35bobo\$35b2o\$20bo9bo\$21bo6bobo\$19b3o7b2o6\$10bobo\$11b2o\$11bo4\$44bo\$12b2o24b2o3b2o\$11b2o24b2o4bobo\$13bo25bo\$32b3o\$32bo\$33bo4\$b2o\$obo\$2bo!`
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That can be reduced to a mere 8 gliders:
`x = 45, y = 32, rule = B3/S2338bo\$38bobo\$38b2o4\$16bo\$17b2o\$16b2o5\$8bo\$9bo\$7b3o8\$11b2o24b2o3b3o\$11bobo23bobo2bo\$11bo25bo5bo\$32b2o\$31b2o\$33bo\$bo\$b2o\$obo!`

This is only half as many gliders as the previously known synthesis:
`x = 38, y = 46, rule = B3/S2335bobo\$35b2o\$36bo\$14bobo\$15b2o\$15bo2\$4bo29bo\$5b2o27bobo\$4b2o28b2o3\$5bo\$3bobo\$4b2o8bobo\$15b2o\$15bo\$31bo\$31bobo\$31b2o5\$21b3o\$21bo\$22bo11b2o\$34bobo\$34bo\$15b3o\$17bo\$16bo\$29b3o\$29bo\$30bo2\$30bo\$11b2o16b2o\$10bobo16bobo\$b2o9bo\$obo\$2bo2\$27bo7b3o\$26b2o7bo\$26bobo7bo!`
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That p8 synth is a good stuff. I played around with the soup a bit and managed to narrow it down to that reaction as well, but not knowing much about glider synthesis, I didn't get very far beyond that.

The glider count is quite an improvement over the previous best results (that I'm aware of) sixteen gliders. The wiki has a 22 glider synth and mentions a 16 glider one which is in the jslife collection.
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Lewis wrote:Beacon on Cap
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S232o3bo3b2o2bo2bo\$bobo2bob2obobo2b4o\$o2bob2obo2bobobo\$bo5b2o3bo2b2o2bo\$bob3ob2ob7o2bo\$bo2bo6bo2bo3bo\$2o2bobobobo2b2obobo\$b5obo2bo3bo3b2o\$2o5bo2b2o2bobo2bo\$o2bo2b2o2bobo4b2o\$obo2b2ob2obo5bo\$b3o2b2ob2obo3b4o\$o2bo2b6o4bo2bo\$b3o2b3o3b2obobo\$3bo15bo\$3bobob3ob2o3b3o\$3o2bo2b3ob4o2b2o\$3bo2b4o2bobo3bo\$2o2bob2o3b2obo3b2o\$3bob4o2b5ob2o!`

This leads to the following (obsolete) 15-glider synthesis:
`x = 243, y = 225, rule = B3/S23bo\$2bo\$3o6\$28bo\$29bo\$27b3o44\$119bo\$119bobo\$119b2o\$104bo\$102bobo\$103b2o4\$33bo\$34bo\$32b3o3\$107bo\$108bo\$106b3o13\$83bo\$84bo\$82b3o2\$127b2o\$127bobo\$127bo12\$79b3o\$81bo24b2o\$80bo25bobo\$76b2o28bo\$75bobo12b2o\$77bo11bobo\$91bo43\$182b2o\$182bobo\$182bo15\$23b2o\$22bobo\$24bo53\$240b3o\$240bo\$241bo!`

I say it's obsolete because a 6-glider synthesis is already known.

Lewis wrote:Unusual Symmetrical 24-Cell Still Life:
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S232o3b2o2bo4bobo\$ob2o4bo3b2o2bo2bo\$3b2obobobo2bo2bo\$o2b3o3b6obobo\$o3bo2bob3ob2ob2o\$b3ob2o2b3o4b3o\$ob3o2bo3bo6bo\$obob2ob4ob2obo3bo\$3b2o3bo5bo3bo\$bobobobob3o2b2ob3o\$obo2bob2ob4ob2o\$ob3o4bobobo3b3o\$b3o3bo3b3obo3bo\$b2o2b4o4bobobo\$3b2obobo2b3o2b2obo\$o4bobob2o3bob4o\$3obo2b5o3b3o\$2b2obob4o2bo\$3ob2o2b2o2b2o3bo\$o2bobobo2bobo2b5o!`

That leads to this 5-glider synthesis:
`x = 19, y = 23, rule = B3/S2316bobo\$16b2o\$11bo5bo\$10bo\$10b3o6\$13bo\$12b2o\$12bobo4\$4b3o\$4bo\$5bo2\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`
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Extrementhusiast

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this pattern gives birth to 4 gliders (I think) and a load of still lifes (that I haven't counted yet )

`x = 291, y = 1, rule = B3/S23291o!`
wintersolstice

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Survey says ... 144 blocks (8 bi blocks), 120 blinkers (12 traffic lights), 88 beehives, 28 boats, 24 loaves, 8 ponds, and 4 gliders. Stabilizes at generation 885 with a population of 1856.
Karatorian

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Soup creates a 'LWSS on LWSS' pseudo-spaceship:
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S23b2obobob2o2bob3obo\$bo2bo2bob3obo3b3o\$3obo2b3ob3ob3obo\$obob2o2bobo2b4o2bo\$2bob3o2b2ob3o2bo\$3b2ob2obob3ob5o\$b3obo2b2obo3b2obo\$bobo2b2o10bo\$4b3ob2obobo4b2o\$o7b4o3b3obo\$3o2b2obo2b3o3bo\$3bobobo5bob5o\$o2bo2bob3obo4b3o\$5b2obo4b3o\$2ob2ob2o2bo2b3o2bo\$14o3bobo\$bobob2obo4b2o\$b2obo2bo4b2o3bo\$2bobo3b2obo2bobo\$bobo2bo3b6obo!`

Lewis

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That is ... incredibly rare. I don't think that any asymmetric random soup has ever done that before. (When the LWSS-on-LWSS did appear in a census result, it was an error.)
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calcyman

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The relevant pattern:

`x=21, y=94bo\$4bo6b3o\$4bo5bo3bo\$9bo5bo2b2o\$3o6bo5bo2bobo\$9bo5bo2bo\$4bo5bo3bo\$4bo6b3o\$4bo!`

Which should be easily constructed for about 7 or 8 Gliders (including cleanup). I'll need to check to see how that compares to what's the currently known minimum.
hkoenig

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It's possible with 8 gliders (2 to construct the TL, 1 to delete the surplus blinker, 2 to construct the honeyfarm, 1 to activate it, 2 for cleanup).

`x = 34, y = 37, rule = B3/S2320bo\$19bo\$19b3o4\$4bo\$4bo6b3o\$4bo5bo3bo\$9bo5bo2b2o\$3o6bo5bo2bobo\$9bo5bo2bo\$4bo5bo3bo\$4bo6b3o\$4bo20\$31b2o\$31bobo\$31bo!`
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calcyman

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Mark Niemiec's site has a seven glider synthesis for this. Basically, 3g -> LWSS #1, 2g -> block, 2g + block -> LWSS #2.
`x = 67, y = 945bobo\$45b2o\$38b3o5bo11b3x3b3x\$5bo32bo2bo16bx2bxbx2bx\$3bobo19b2x11bo6b2o11bx7bx\$4b2o19b2x11bo6b2o11bx7bx\$b2o36bobo6b3o8bxbxbxbx\$obo45bo\$2bo46bo!`

This new recipe has the advantage of using synchronised pairs of gliders, but then the the 7 glider recipe could be adapted to a 4 x glider-pair recipe and woudn't suffer from the p2 timing constraint. This is indeed a rare find, but is it useful?
Paul Tooke

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I knew that Niemiec had a construction, because it's fairly well known now how to graft together various types of spaceships, including some of the overweight ones. I just didn't have the time today to look farther, and now I see I don't have to. Thanks.

There might be a four Glider construction of the Traffic Lights/Honeyfarm combo, as it's nicely symmetric, and also possible to perhaps cleanup with a single Glider, so this could be brought down to 6.

One use for these random soups is that occasionally they do give us some interesting object syntheses. That's how I came across a 3 Glider construction of the Pentadecathlon when for years it had been assumed that 4 were needed. It just might be that the way to figure out how to build spaceships is to wait until some appear naturally and then figure out if they can be tamed in some fashion. And if they never appear, then maybe there really are objects that just can't be constructed.
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P2 'Griddle on Beehive':
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S232obob4o3b2o3bobo\$bobob2ob2o2bob2ob3o\$obob6ob3o5bo\$3bo5b2ob3obo\$2o3bo3bo4bo4bo\$2obobo4b4o2b3o\$3b6o2bo3bo2bo\$2b3o4bob2obo3bo\$o3b3obob3ob2o2b2o\$2bobo5b2ob3o\$3b3o2b12o\$3ob7ob2o\$5b2ob2ob4obo\$3o2b3ob5o2b4o\$bob2obo3bob3o4bo\$2b2o2bob3o2b4ob2o\$b5o4b3o2bob2o\$b3ob2obob3obo3b2o\$3obo4b2obob2ob2o\$o3bo3bobob3o4bo!`

Does anyone else use Andrzej Okrasinski's LifeSS Screensaver? For the past year or so, I've been running it occasionally on my computer, and it's turned out most of the things I've posted in this thread.
When the initial density setting is changed, seperate output files are created. This means that combining searches from several computers would be possible (I think). It may be possible to use this to create a census similar to the Soup Search, which seems to be no longer updated.

EDIT: only a few hours later, an entirely different soup turned up a Griddle on Block:
`x = 20, y = 20, rule = B3/S232b2obo2bob2o3b2ob2o\$b4obo2bobob2obo\$o2bobo2b3o6b2o\$2o2b3obob2o3bob3o\$o3b2ob6ob2ob2o\$2obo3b2obo5bo\$4b4o2bo2bo2bob2o\$2obo5b4o2b2ob2o\$bo2bo3bo2bobobobo\$4o2b3ob2o2bobo2bo\$o5bo2bo3b3o\$2o3bo3b2obob6o\$2bob2o2b2o2b2o3b2o\$3b3ob4obo\$o4bobo2bo2b7o\$bob2o2b2obo3bob2o\$obo2bo2bobob3o\$bobo2bob2ob2o2b2ob2o\$2bo4bobobo2b4o\$ob5ob3ob2obo2b2o!`

Lewis

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I was just playing around, and I found a pattern that makes 2 gliders, then catches up and eats them!
`x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S2310o\$10o\$2o6b2o\$2o6b2o\$2o6b2o\$2o3b2ob2o\$2o3b2ob2o\$2o6b2o\$10o\$10o!`

ssaamm

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Just found a reaction that creates a cis R-bee:
`x = 41, y = 9, rule = B3/S233o34b3o\$o2bo33bo2bo\$b3o34b3o\$5b2o\$5bobo\$7bo28b2o\$7b2o28bo\$34b3o\$34bo!`

This is the essential reaction:
`x = 7, y = 13, rule = B3/S232b3o\$bo3bo\$bo3bo\$2b3o3\$2b3o2\$o5bo\$o5bo\$o5bo2\$2b3o!`
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