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Re: Soup search results

Postby Ian07 » March 24th, 2019, 7:54 am

calcyman wrote:No-one except for you knows how to convert a seed string into a 10x10 soup.

I actually figured it out myself; just remove the left six columns and the bottom six rows from the soup:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
.D.3D4A2.A.2A$D2.3D2.2A.A2.2A$4D2.2A4.A$2.3D2.2A4.2A$D7.A2.5A$3.2D.A
3.4A.A$2.D2.DA4.A2.A$2D.2D.2A.A3.A$3.D2.3A3.A2.A$4.2D5A.3A$2.2D5.D2.
4D$D2.D.D.2D.D2.D.D$D2.2D2.D.3D.2D$.2D2.3D4.D2.D$2.2D.D2.D.D2.2D$.2D.
2D.D.D.2D2.D!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 24th, 2019, 8:26 am

Thanks for 1) telling everyone and 2) reading the methuselae thread.

Specifically, in lifelib/soup/hashsoup.h, I added these lines (the if clause):

            return bw;
        }

        if (symmetry == "10x10")
        {
            for(int i=0; i<10; i++) digest[2*i+1] &= 192;
            for(int i=20; i<32; i++) digest[i] = 0;
        }

        uint64_t a = 0;
        uint64_t b = 0;


EDIT: I honestly think it's a good idea to catagolue F/I above 100 (or 70, if that's too restrictive) for C1, not counting soups that spawn linear growth.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby calcyman » March 24th, 2019, 8:57 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:EDIT: I honestly think it's a good idea to catagolue F/I above 100 (or 70, if that's too restrictive) for C1, not counting soups that spawn linear growth.


That is a great idea -- would people prefer F/I or F to be reported? They're roughly equivalent, because the initial population has a mean of 128 and standard deviation of 8 (and, by the Central Limit Theorem, is approximately Gaussian).

Merge requests on GitLab implementing that functionality would be most welcomely accepted. (What should the bin size be?)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 24th, 2019, 9:23 am

In 10x10 the bin size is 1/1000th, but that's 1000x too much, so I say we round F/I.
For F, I say same as messless (100 bins.)
EDIT: On second thought, I think it's better to catagolue F. A good lower bound for F to submission is 3000 Although it's very, very common in 10x10, it's much rarer in C1 for unknown reasons.

Here's a haul with the "explode_" object: [url]gol.hatsya.co.uk/haul/b3s23/C1/1d1102eb544fbe108edac216f16f5cbb[/url]

Soup:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3o3bo2b2o$2obo4b5obo$2o2bobobo3bobo$bobo6bo3b2o$obo5b3ob2obo$ob2ob2o2b
o5bo$obo2b4o5b2o$o5b2ob2o2bobo$ob3obob4o2b2o$ob2o2b4ob2o$bo4bo2b4obo$
2b2ob2ob2ob3o$2o2bobobob2obo$2o3b2o2b5o$bo2b2o4bob2obo$3bo2bo3bobob2o!


(please mark it blue I want to be first :mrgreen: )

I'm submitting the PR, with a few other modifications, mainly the 10x10 symmetry.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 24th, 2019, 9:57 am

There, submitted it. my internet in China is crap...
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Re: Soup search results

Postby googoIpIex » March 24th, 2019, 9:59 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:methuselae


please no
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 24th, 2019, 10:00 am

wait my haul was marked red. nooooooo
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Re: Soup search results

Postby calcyman » March 24th, 2019, 11:20 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:wait my haul was marked red. nooooooo


You still have the chance to be the first real person to discover a megasized soup:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/user/Continuous%20Integration/all#discoveries
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 24th, 2019, 9:33 pm

nononono my 5.03 hauls are still red

http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/haul/b3s23/C1/1 ... dee684499d

and please don't mark this red please

http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/haul/b3s23/C1/a ... 9ce31abec9
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Re: Soup search results

Postby calcyman » March 24th, 2019, 9:37 pm

testitemqlstudop wrote:nononono my 5.03 hauls are still red

http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/haul/b3s23/C1/1 ... dee684499d

and please don't mark this red please

http://gol.hatsya.co.uk/haul/b3s23/C1/a ... 9ce31abec9


They're red because they contain the 'explode_' objects.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 24th, 2019, 9:41 pm

...and so I did this. :oops:

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Re: Soup search results

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » March 25th, 2019, 1:46 am

Pardon me, but what are "megasized" soups?
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My favorite oscillator of all time:
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4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 25th, 2019, 4:43 am

it's what we were just discussing

(LSS: soups with final population of greater than 3K)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » March 25th, 2019, 7:49 pm

Megasized 5.1k soup:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
boobbbbobooooboo$
bobobooboobbobbo$
ooboboboooboobob$
oboobbbbbobboobb$
bobooobbbobbobbb$
obbobbobbbbobobo$
boboobbbooobbooo$
bbbboooboobbobbb$
ooooboobooooobbb$
ooooboooboobobbo$
obbobbobbooobbbo$
boobbobooboobobo$
obobboooobobbbbo$
bboobbbboooboboo$
obbbooobboooboob$
obbbooooboooobbo!


Reduced: (pop 47)

x = 17, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bobo$5bo$5bobo$3bo7b2o$3b3o6bo$4bo5$6b3o$5bo2bo6b2o$5bo10bo$6b3o$
2bo5bo$2ob2o$2o6bobo$5bo2bo2bo$10bo$9bo$3bo4bo$3bo2b2o$5bo!


F/I = 109.4, still doesn't break my 10x10 record.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby alphazelf » March 27th, 2019, 2:03 pm

Anonymous has finally found the last 14-bit still life
Haul: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 525ea3e381 submitted on 2019-03-27 17:15:52

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3b4ob2ob3obo$b2o2bobob2o4bo$bo4b2obob2o2bo$2b3o2bo2b3o2bo$bo3bo4b2ob2o
$o3b2obobob2o2bo$2o2bo2bobo2bo$2bobo2bobo5bo$2o3bob5o$obobob2o6b2o$2bo
3b2o3b2obo$obo2bo3bob2obo$o3b2o5bo2b2o$4ob3o3bo2bo$2b3obobobo2b3o$3bo
2b5o2b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby googleplex » March 27th, 2019, 2:06 pm

alphazelf wrote:Anonymous has finally found the last 14-bit still life
Haul: https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s2 ... 525ea3e381 submitted on 2019-03-27 17:15:52

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
3b4ob2ob3obo$b2o2bobob2o4bo$bo4b2obob2o2bo$2b3o2bo2b3o2bo$bo3bo4b2ob2o
$o3b2obobob2o2bo$2o2bo2bobo2bo$2bobo2bobo5bo$2o3bob5o$obobob2o6b2o$2bo
3b2o3b2obo$obo2bo3bob2obo$o3b2o5bo2b2o$4ob3o3bo2bo$2b3obobobo2b3o$3bo
2b5o2b2o!



Many congratulations to whoever found it!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Sarp » March 27th, 2019, 2:46 pm

Yes! Finally!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby BlinkerSpawn » March 27th, 2019, 7:20 pm

Congratulations Anonymous!

A nice seed which most likely doesn't save anything:
x = 52, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o4$27bo$28bo$26b3o2$33bo$32bobo$32bobo$33bo10$34b2o$33bo2bo$
34b2o2$43bo$42b3o4b2o$41bo3bo2bo2bo$41b2ob2o3b2o!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby googleplex » March 27th, 2019, 7:28 pm

actually my soup:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oooobbbbobbooboo$
ooobboboobobboob$
bobobobobboooboo$
bobbobbboobboobo$
obboobbbbbobobob$
oboobboobbboobbo$
oobboooobboooboo$
oobooobbboobbbbo$
bbbbbbboooooobbo$
bbboobobbooboobb$
oboobobbboobobbo$
bbbobbobobbbbbbb$
ooobobbobbboboob$
bobobobooboooboo$
bbbobooobobboboo$
bbbobbbobbobbbbb!

19th occurrence!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby AforAmpere » March 27th, 2019, 8:00 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:A nice seed which most likely doesn't save anything:
x = 52, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o4$27bo$28bo$26b3o2$33bo$32bobo$32bobo$33bo10$34b2o$33bo2bo$
34b2o2$43bo$42b3o4b2o$41bo3bo2bo2bo$41b2ob2o3b2o!

I think 9 gliders is the new best:
x = 158, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
101bo$2bo99b2o$obo98b2o$b2o3$127bo$128b2o$127b2o6$12bo$13bo27bo33bo63b
o$11b3o26bobo31bobo61bobo$40bobo31bobo61bobo$41bo33bo63bo$13b3o$15bo$
14bo7$42b2o32b2o62b2o$41bo2bo30bo2bo60bo2bo$42b2o32b2o62b2o3$91b2o62b
2o$90bo2bo60bo2bo$91b2o62b2o$60b2o$60bobo$60bo84b2o$53b2o89bobo$52bobo
91bo$54bo$151b2o$151bobo$151bo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » March 27th, 2019, 10:52 pm

Much congratulations! We now set our sights on the 36 remaining fifteen-bitters.
EDIT: @AforAmpere: Time for calcyman to update the Catagolue page!
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4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby muzik » March 28th, 2019, 7:22 am

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!

(Are there any remaining periodic 13 or 14-bit objects which haven't been found yet? And how many remaining 15-bit periodic objects remain?)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby mniemiec » March 28th, 2019, 10:56 am

muzik wrote:(Are there any remaining periodic 13 or 14-bit objects which haven't been found yet? And how many remaining 15-bit periodic objects remain?)

The following are all the oscillators (all P2) up to 15 bits have not shown up in soups yet:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_4l1148kgzx302/b3s23 14P2.12 - the last 14-bit P2 to be synthesized
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_62k0l51z642/b3s23 15P2.15
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_350k0l51zw32/b3s23 15P2.16
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_3lozx31ago/b3s23 Bipole tie python
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_k3g4gljz11/b3s23 Blinkers bit pole
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_882030kgz014a86/b3s23 Phoenix w/cavity
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp2_bdggzw1050ko/b3s23 Tripole tie snake
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Re: Soup search results

Postby calcyman » March 29th, 2019, 8:32 am

Moreover, the 14-bit octapole has yet to appear in a C1 soup.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Freywa » March 29th, 2019, 10:02 pm

The name of house on house siamese table-on-table weld hat-siamese-hat caught my eye. One of the C1 soups gave me a 9G synthesis of that, as well as 11G for the doubled version:
x = 105, y = 71, rule = B3/S23
37bo$35b2o$36b2o2$93bo$92bo$92b3o$86bo$57bo28bobo$58b2o26b2o$57b2o13$
20bobo54bobo$20b2o55b2o$21bo56bo3$101bo$99b5o$98bo5bo$99b2ob2o$100bobo
$100bobo$42b2ob2o52b2ob2o$42bo3bo52bo3bo$43b3o54b3o2$43b3o54b3o$42bo3b
o52bo3bo$42b2ob2o52b2ob2o$16bo26bobo27bo26bobo$13bo2bobo24bobo24bo2bob
o24bobo$11bobo2b2o24b2ob2o21bobo2b2o24b2ob2o$12b2o27bo5bo21b2o27bo5bo$
42b5o52b5o$44bo56bo8$29bo56bo$28b2o55b2o$3o25bobo26b3o25bobo$2bo56bo$b
o56bo6$2o55b2o$b2o26b2o27b2o26b2o$o28bobo25bo28bobo$29bo56bo$35b3o54b
3o$35bo56bo$36bo56bo!

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