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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » July 23rd, 2016, 12:42 pm

A reaction posted here earlier by fsrm:

x = 5, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
o2b2o$2b3o$o2b2o!


Are there any p7 or p14 oscillators that can put that two-dot spark there?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 23rd, 2016, 3:57 pm

Another H->G1 in passing:

x = 64, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
47.2A$48.A$45.3A$45.A$42.3B$41.5B$40.6B$11.2A27.8B$11.2A27.8B$34.B4.
9B$33.3B3.11B4.D$5.2A24.6B2.13B.3D$5.2A18.4B2.7B.13BD2B2D$9.2A12.28B.
5B$9.2A11.4BD30B$22.4BDBD30B$22.4B3DB2A28B$22.6BDB2A28B$4.2A16.38B$4.
2A21.31B.B2A$29.B2.24B3.BA.A$31.27B4.A$30.25B.2A4.2A$29.9B.15B2.A$28.
4B.20B4.3A$27.4B2.4B.12B9.A$17.3D6.4B8.14B$18.D6.4B9.15B$16.3D5.4B11.
13B$6.2A15.4B13.10B$6.A15.4B17.5B$4.A.A15.3B19.6B$2.3A.2A14.2B24.2A$.
A20.B19.A5.A$2.3A.2A33.A.A5.3A$4.A.2A33.A.A7.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A
$40.2A.A2$2A$2A2$42.2A$42.2A7$40.2A.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A$41.A.A$
41.A.A$42.A3$33.2A$14.2A17.2A$14.2A2$28.C$27.3C$27.C.2C!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » July 24th, 2016, 9:41 am

A 25P3H1V0.2 (can we come to a consensus for this thing's name already?) eater:

x = 19, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
o9b2o$3o7b2o$3bo$2b2o6$8bob2o$4b3ob2obob2o$3bo6b2o2b4o$4b2o3bo3bo4bo$
16b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Scorbie » July 24th, 2016, 11:24 am

muzik wrote:A 25P3H1V0.2 (can we come to a consensus for this thing's name already?) eater:

x = 19, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
o9b2o$3o7b2o$3bo$2b2o6$8bob2o$4b3ob2obob2o$3bo6b2o2b4o$4b2o3bo3bo4bo$
16b2o!
I think LifeWiki is the only one that says it the other way around, so why dont we just edit LifeWiki?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Scorbie » July 24th, 2016, 11:25 am

gmc_nxtman wrote:Another H->G1 in passing:

x = 64, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
47.2A$48.A$45.3A$45.A$42.3B$41.5B$40.6B$11.2A27.8B$11.2A27.8B$34.B4.
9B$33.3B3.11B4.D$5.2A24.6B2.13B.3D$5.2A18.4B2.7B.13BD2B2D$9.2A12.28B.
5B$9.2A11.4BD30B$22.4BDBD30B$22.4B3DB2A28B$22.6BDB2A28B$4.2A16.38B$4.
2A21.31B.B2A$29.B2.24B3.BA.A$31.27B4.A$30.25B.2A4.2A$29.9B.15B2.A$28.
4B.20B4.3A$27.4B2.4B.12B9.A$17.3D6.4B8.14B$18.D6.4B9.15B$16.3D5.4B11.
13B$6.2A15.4B13.10B$6.A15.4B17.5B$4.A.A15.3B19.6B$2.3A.2A14.2B24.2A$.
A20.B19.A5.A$2.3A.2A33.A.A5.3A$4.A.2A33.A.A7.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A
$40.2A.A2$2A$2A2$42.2A$42.2A7$40.2A.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A$41.A.A$
41.A.A$42.A3$33.2A$14.2A17.2A$14.2A2$28.C$27.3C$27.C.2C!
The forst component is pretty interesting! Is it known?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » July 24th, 2016, 11:43 am

Gun based on it:

x = 49, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$31b2o5b2o$38b2o3$7b2o27b2o$7b2o27b2o$42b2o$42b2o$b2o$b2o$5b2o$5b
2o4$2o$2o7$13b3o$14bo$12b3o5$47b2o$47b2o4$42b2o$42b2o$46b2o$46b2o$5b2o
$5b2o$11b2o27b2o$11b2o27b2o3$9b2o$9b2o5b2o$16b2o!



Wiki article worthy?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 24th, 2016, 11:49 am

Scorbie wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:Another H->G1 in passing:

x = 64, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
47.2A$48.A$45.3A$45.A$42.3B$41.5B$40.6B$11.2A27.8B$11.2A27.8B$34.B4.
9B$33.3B3.11B4.D$5.2A24.6B2.13B.3D$5.2A18.4B2.7B.13BD2B2D$9.2A12.28B.
5B$9.2A11.4BD30B$22.4BDBD30B$22.4B3DB2A28B$22.6BDB2A28B$4.2A16.38B$4.
2A21.31B.B2A$29.B2.24B3.BA.A$31.27B4.A$30.25B.2A4.2A$29.9B.15B2.A$28.
4B.20B4.3A$27.4B2.4B.12B9.A$17.3D6.4B8.14B$18.D6.4B9.15B$16.3D5.4B11.
13B$6.2A15.4B13.10B$6.A15.4B17.5B$4.A.A15.3B19.6B$2.3A.2A14.2B24.2A$.
A20.B19.A5.A$2.3A.2A33.A.A5.3A$4.A.2A33.A.A7.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A
$40.2A.A2$2A$2A2$42.2A$42.2A7$40.2A.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A$41.A.A$
41.A.A$42.A3$33.2A$14.2A17.2A$14.2A2$28.C$27.3C$27.C.2C!
The forst component is pretty interesting! Is it known?


It's in the Elementary Conduits collection, as "BF187H".

muzik wrote:Gun based on it:

x = 49, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
31b2o$31b2o5b2o$38b2o3$7b2o27b2o$7b2o27b2o$42b2o$42b2o$b2o$b2o$5b2o$5b
2o4$2o$2o7$13b3o$14bo$12b3o5$47b2o$47b2o4$42b2o$42b2o$46b2o$46b2o$5b2o
$5b2o$11b2o27b2o$11b2o27b2o3$9b2o$9b2o5b2o$16b2o!



Wiki article worthy?


Umm... that is David Buckingham's Machine Gun and has been known for at least 15 years. Check Chris C's gun collection.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » July 24th, 2016, 11:55 am

Right then.

Still, should it have a wiki article?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 24th, 2016, 12:08 pm

muzik wrote:Right then.

Still, should it have a wiki article?


Maybe. IIRC, it was the first Herschel-based gun, which may lend it some historical significance.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby simsim314 » July 24th, 2016, 2:27 pm

muzik wrote:Still, should it have a wiki article?


How about wiki article with the whole gun collection? I know it's kinda big request, on the other hand - guns are quite important, and the fact that there is only handful of guns in the wiki, makes the wiki lacking quite basic information. At least a mention of some sort that the collection exists, and an effort was done latelly to improve the gun collection using syringe is kinda important info.

The same goes for Herschel conduits - wiki lacks basic intro, while in the past two-three years there was some huge advance in this area.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Goldtiger997 » July 30th, 2016, 11:13 pm

I have constructed a period 232 ak-47 breeder (it was too big to show in the life viewer so I uploaded it as an attachment).

Is this interesting enough to be worth posting, or is it kind of trivial?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby simsim314 » July 31st, 2016, 3:06 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:Is this interesting enough to be worth posting


It's definitely worth posting, because some (real) work has been done to construct it.

Goldtiger997 wrote: is it kind of trivial?


I think it's kinda trivial indeed, but it's a good practice.

Maybe it's a good idea to have a seperate thread for constructions of this sort.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Scorbie » July 31st, 2016, 4:16 am

I agree with simsim314. Nice work.
Goldtiger997 wrote:(it was to big to show in the life viewer so I uploaded it as an attachment).
You can just put rle code inside code tags. We can copy that to clipboard and paste it into golly. (Unless the rle's too long to fit on one post.)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dvgrn » July 31st, 2016, 9:34 am

Scorbie wrote:You can just put rle code inside code tags. We can copy that to clipboard and paste it into golly. (Unless the rle's too long to fit on one post.)

Yeah, it's over 100K (well, over 100,000 bytes anyway) and the current forum limit is only 60,000 bytes. Sometimes saving as a macrocell file is a useful trick, but it doesn't help in this case.

A Lua or Python "pattern script" version of this could be packed into 10K or less, and under 5K wouldn't surprise me, so that really seems like the way to go for a forum-quotable pattern.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » August 1st, 2016, 8:24 am

x = 15, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
8.A2D$.2A5.C2.D2A$A2.A3.DAD.C2.A$.2A5.C2.D2A$8.A2D!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 1st, 2016, 8:44 am

muzik wrote:
x = 15, y = 5, rule = LifeHistory
8.A2D$.2A5.C2.D2A$A2.A3.DAD.C2.A$.2A5.C2.D2A$8.A2D!

Unfortunately you can't turn the mid-flip beehive into any sort of induction coil, so this doesn't really work.
This doesn't work either.
x = 27, y = 3, rule = LifeHistory
.2A2.A.A5.A5.A.A2.2A$A2.A.A2.A3.A.A3.A2.A.A2.A$.2A2.A.A5.A5.A.A2.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » August 5th, 2016, 7:01 pm

Fiddling with stuff here: could almost knightship be positioned to support this knightwise wave?

x = 192, y = 344, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$o$3o2$4bo$3bobo$3bo$3b3o2$7bo$6bobo$6bo$6b3o2$10bo$9bobo$9bo$9b
3o2$13bo$12bobo$12bo$12b3o2$16bo$15bobo$15bo$15b3o2$19bo$18bobo$18bo$
18b3o2$22bo$21bobo$21bo$21b3o2$25bo$24bobo$24bo$24b3o2$28bo$27bobo$27b
o$27b3o2$31bo$30bobo$30bo$30b3o2$34bo$33bobo$33bo$33b3o2$37bo$36bobo$
36bo$36b3o2$40bo$39bobo$39bo$39b3o2$43bo$42bobo$42bo$42b3o2$46bo$45bob
o$45bo$45b3o2$49bo$48bobo$48bo$48b3o2$52bo$51bobo$51bo$51b3o2$55bo$54b
obo$54bo$54b3o2$58bo$57bobo$57bo$57b3o2$61bo$60bobo$60bo$60b3o2$64bo$
63bobo$63bo$63b3o2$67bo$66bobo$66bo$66b3o2$70bo$69bobo$69bo$69b3o2$73b
o$72bobo$72bo$72b3o2$76bo$75bobo$75bo$75b3o2$79bo$78bobo$78bo$78b3o2$
82bo$81bobo$81bo$81b3o2$85bo$84bobo$84bo$84b3o2$88bo$87bobo$87bo$87b3o
2$91bo$90bobo$90bo$90b3o2$94bo$93bobo$93bo$93b3o2$97bo$96bobo$96bo$96b
3o2$100bo$99bobo$99bo$99b3o2$103bo$102bobo$102bo$102b3o2$106bo$105bobo
$105bo$105b3o2$109bo$108bobo$108bo$108b3o2$112bo$111bobo$111bo$111b3o
2$115bo$114bobo$114bo$114b3o2$118bo$117bobo$117bo$117b3o2$121bo$120bob
o$120bo$120b3o2$124bo$123bobo$123bo$123b3o2$127bo$126bobo$126bo$126b3o
2$130bo$129bobo$129bo$129b3o2$133bo$132bobo$132bo$132b3o2$136bo$135bob
o$135bo$135b3o2$139bo$138bobo$138bo$138b3o2$142bo$141bobo$141bo$141b3o
2$145bo$144bobo$144bo$144b3o2$148bo$147bobo$147bo$147b3o2$151bo$150bob
o$150bo$150b3o2$154bo$153bobo$153bo$153b3o2$157bo$156bobo$156bo$156b3o
2$160bo$159bobo$159bo$159b3o2$163bo$162bobo$162bo$162b3o2$166bo$165bob
o$165bo$165b3o2$169bo$168bobo$168bo$168b3o2$172bo$171bobo$171bo$171b3o
2$175bo$174bobo$174bo$174b3o2$178bo$177bobo$177bo$177b3o2$181bo$180bob
o$180bo$180b3o2$184bo$183bobo$183bo$183b3o2$187bo$186bobo$186bo$186b3o
2$190bo$189bobo$189bo$189b3o7$176bo$171b2o2bo$171bob2o$170bo5b2o$166bo
bo2bo$165bo$165bo3bo2b3ob2o$165bo3bo4bo$170bob2o$166bo3bob2o$165b2ob3o
$169b2obo$165b2o2b3o$165b2obo$168b2o4b2o$166b3o$167bo2b3ob2o$168b2o2b
2o$169b3o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Gamedziner » August 11th, 2016, 7:16 am

Piston turner:

...o....oo$
..o.o..o.o$
.o..o..o$
o...o..o.o$
.ooo....oo$
$
$
.ooo$
o...o$
oo.oo
x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.
A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » August 11th, 2016, 9:10 am

Can any objects be place on the "fuse" end of this still life to form an oscillator?

x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$bo2bo$2o3bo$6bo$3b3o$3bo!


This one, based off of jam, does not survive:

x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
6bo$4b3o$3bo$2bobo3b2o$3o2bo2bo$6bobo$2b2o3bo$3bob2o$5bo$5bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 11th, 2016, 10:10 am

muzik wrote:This one, based off of jam, does not survive:

x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
6bo$4b3o$3bo$2bobo3b2o$3o2bo2bo$6bobo$2b2o3bo$3bob2o$5bo$5bo!

Of course it doesn't; you can't just stack two rotors on top of one another and expect it to work.
If you want to look for some just get WLS and look for a p3 with the fuse cells always ON and the cells "behind" the fuse always OFF.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby muzik » August 11th, 2016, 12:17 pm

I'm looking for any period actually.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 11th, 2016, 12:55 pm

Then do any period. The period you search for is independent (mostly) of your initial conditions.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Gamedziner » August 11th, 2016, 4:57 pm

The still-life can be made symmetric:

4bo$3bobo$3bo2bo$b3o3bo$o7bo$bo3b3o$2bo2bo$3bobo$4bo!



I ended up making this still-life when trying to edit the symmetric variant (after making it).
6b2o$5bo2bo$4bob2obo$4bo3bobo$2b3o3bobo$bo7bo$obo3b3o$obo3bo$bob2obo$2bo2bo$3b2o!
x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.
A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A
$4.2A18$4.2A$4.2A2.2A$8.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Gamedziner » August 11th, 2016, 7:37 pm

A stabilization of the Chicken wire agar:
15b2o$14bo2bo$12bo2b2o2bo$11bob2o2b2obo$11bo3b2o3bo$9b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$8bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$7bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2obo$7bo3b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$5b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$4bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$3bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obo$3bo3b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$3b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$3bo3b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$3bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2obo$4bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$5b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$7bo3b2o2b2o2b2o3bo$7bob2o2b2o2b2o2b2obo$8bo2b2o2b2o2b2o2bo$9b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$11bo3b2o3bo$11bob2o2b2obo$12bo2b2o2bo$14bo2bo$15b2o!
x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory
58.2A$58.2A3$59.2A17.2A$59.2A17.2A3$79.2A$79.2A2$57.A$56.A$56.3A4$27.
A$27.A.A$27.2A21$3.2A$3.2A2.2A$7.2A18$7.2A$7.2A2.2A$11.2A11$2A$2A2.2A
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 11th, 2016, 7:47 pm

Are there any greyships that use chickenwire?
LifeWiki: Like Wikipedia but with more spaceships. [citation needed]

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